Painter on Dakich today = must listen - lots of recruiting info (link)
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Some highlights:
-Izzo thought MSU was out of the running when Swanigan committed to them initially
-Painter called Izzo after the committment to ask what happened. Izzo said he thought Biggie called to tell him what other school he was committing to. He had no clue it would be MSU.
-Painter was told Swanigan was picking Cal 1.5 hours before he announced for MSU
-Cuonzo thought he was going to Purdue
-Painter didn't recruit Swanigan after the MSU commit (there's a rule that he can't do that anyway due to the Eric Gorden situation years ago)
-Painter was going to offer Taylor Persons during his visit, but got the news that Biggie decommitted about halfway through the visit, thus never offered Persons
-Haas decommitted from Wake Forest due to uncertainty around the coaching situation (I kind of assumed this but had never heard it stated with certainty)
-Haas committed to Wake initially kind of out of the blue after he got wowed by getting to play with Tim Duncan and Chris Paul on campus. Sounded like a more emotional decision rather than one based on sound reasoning
-Izzo thought MSU was out of the running when Swanigan committed to them initially
-Painter called Izzo after the committment to ask what happened. Izzo said he thought Biggie called to tell him what other school he was committing to. He had no clue it would be MSU.
-Painter was told Swanigan was picking Cal 1.5 hours before he announced for MSU
-Cuonzo thought he was going to Purdue
-Painter didn't recruit Swanigan after the MSU commit (there's a rule that he can't do that anyway due to the Eric Gorden situation years ago)
-Painter was going to offer Taylor Persons during his visit, but got the news that Biggie decommitted about halfway through the visit, thus never offered Persons
-Haas decommitted from Wake Forest due to uncertainty around the coaching situation (I kind of assumed this but had never heard it stated with certainty)
-Haas committed to Wake initially kind of out of the blue after he got wowed by getting to play with Tim Duncan and Chris Paul on campus. Sounded like a more emotional decision rather than one based on sound reasoning
I enjoyed the interview. I was actually surprised by how honest Painter was. Lots of insight.
Right at the end....Dakich becomes the village idiot and calls Painter, "Tom".
Painter's known to be a pretty straight-forward guy, not sure why you're surprised.
This was a great interview!
Painter is definitely a straight shooter. I like how he called Haas out on his reasons for decommitting from WF and his candor dealing with Tayler Persons.
He also seems to have a good work relationship with Izzo and most of the animosity exists in the minds of MSU and Purdue fans.
Painter is definitely a straight shooter. I like how he called Haas out on his reasons for decommitting from WF and his candor dealing with Tayler Persons.
He also seems to have a good work relationship with Izzo and most of the animosity exists in the minds of MSU and Purdue fans.
There is a lot of evidence however, to support that Izzo does slimy things. After all he was suspended for it.
I recall that Keady was good friends with Sampson as well, and was very disappointed when Samson got caught cheating at his first college. You can be friends with someone, without passing judgement on their every action. It would not surprise me that Izzo and Painter are at least comfortable talking to each other on these issues when they occur. They may not be golfing buddies, or hang out together at various social functions., but they respect each other and are cordial toward each other.
Besides, I am not so certain that Izzo has engaged in slimy tactics recruiting, however, I have my doubts about some of the MSU alumni. Consistently winning programs tend to attract all kinds of supporters and fans that live off the team's success vicariously. Some of those hanger-on's have less scruples, and more money than sense. They begin to think of the team as "their team", and make bad decisions.
Painter is a happy, positive person that is aggressively trying to get better. Those type of people just do not hold on to grudges and animosity. A lot of people would be happier and have a more powerful life if they follow that example
The fact that coaches talk doesn't make them buddies. Gene and Bobby were always pretty cordial but the truth is both were highly competitive and didn't really like each other.I recall that Keady was good friends with Sampson as well, and was very disappointed when Samson got caught cheating at his first college. You can be friends with someone, without passing judgement on their every action. It would not surprise me that Izzo and Painter are at least comfortable talking to each other on these issues when they occur. They may not be golfing buddies, or hang out together at various social functions., but they respect each other and are cordial toward each other.
Besides, I am not so certain that Izzo has engaged in slimy tactics recruiting, however, I have my doubts about some of the MSU alumni. Consistently winning programs tend to attract all kinds of supporters and fans that live off the team's success vicariously. Some of those hanger-on's have less scruples, and more money than sense. They begin to think of the team as "their team", and make bad decisions.
Interesting you would say so. I thought I read where they would knock a golf ball around together occationally.
Both coaches loved to play golf so yes, they did play. I don't think they were enemies, but the whole Jack Purdue thing was a slam by Bobby at Keady and there wasn't any question that Gene disliked some of his shenanigans both on the Court and off. I think two people can mutually respect each other without being friends. OTOH, Painter and Patrick Knight are very close, or at least they were.Interesting you would say so. I thought I read where they would knock a golf ball around together occationally.
In Monteith's biography, iirc, Keady said he and Knight were pretty good friends early on. Then when Purdue started beating IU regularly Booby changed his attitude towards him.
There was also the fact that Pat Keady and Nancy Knight (Bobby's ex) were good friends. Some of the split between the two may have occurred then as well.
I read another post I think on here where it showed that 62% of athletes arrested in East Lansing aren't charged with a crime. I can't speak for every jurisdiction, but that seems pretty high to me.
I heard "I appreciate your time". I don't think Dakich would screw that up. I don't want to be an apologist for him considering his recent rants regarding Purdue fans, but that's just how I heard it.
Here is the article, if you are curious. It actually states that unlike some other schools, athletes and non-athletes at MSU are prosecuted at the same rate. http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...nfluence-factors-somes-avoid-criminal-charges
I read the article. Since none of the charges are delineated as to severity we really can't judge. However a prosecutor who fails to bring charges on 62% of arrests of college students is troubling regardless of whether they are athletes.
It's amazing to me how quickly MSU fans show up here.
WTF, are you guys on this site 24/7??
WTF, are you guys on this site 24/7??
Why yes, yes they are. They have nothing better to do with a MSU degree (at least some of them).
It is actually because this is a joke of a board - it is entertainment (at least for me). Even Purdue fans on the main board have told me to not take anything over here seriously. It is honestly a given that anytime MSU gets brought up around here, within the first 10 posts there will be someone saying Izzo is dirty. Guaranteed.
One guy calls Izzo "slimy" and his proof is that he was suspended. If one would actually do some research, you would find that Izzo had to sit a game because during the summer, at a basketball camp for young kids, a person who worked the camp (and was paid the same rate as everyone else at the camp) did not disclose on their application that they had a previous relationship with a potential recruit.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5931058
Or you could twist the "62% of MSU athletes don't get prosecuted" to make it look like they have an unfair advantage when compared to the general student population, like Heller brought up. If one did even 10 minutes of research, you would come to find that the Prosecutor in EL is actually a University of Michigan graduate, Stuart Dunnings. But I bet he just has a soft spot for MSU athletes...
To go further, a simple google search would provide links such as these, showing the complete opposite of Izzo being "slimy"
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/c.../tom-izzo-michigan-state-recruiting/24709699/
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...at-coach-would-you-choose-to-run-your-program
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=5398415
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basket...elations-from-ESPN-s-coachin?urn=ncaab-257791
But sure, Izzo is "slimy" because MSU (not Izzo himself) hired a guy for $475 for a week's worth of work, to chaperone middle-school kids at a summer basketball camp.
Or maybe this all rolls back to the Dawson recruitment, of which it was considered "dirty" because supposedly a guy associated with AAU that posts on Peegs, said it was dirty. OK.
With all that said, I doubt anyone will actually read any of the links provided. I also doubt it will change anyone around here's mind, but... it is what it is.
A coach doesn't get suspended for no reason. But you are right, you aren't going to change our minds just like we won't change yours.
But hey nice first post. It really helps to affirm the general notion of the mentality of M$U fans.
The Red Cedar Message Board is the greatest comedy on the internet. The levels of delusion there are great. Between the accusations of Painter paying Swanigan and the notion that Izzo should land anyone he offers I couldn't stop laughing.
By the way, Appling and Payne should be in a jail cell somewhere right now. I don't really care about who did what behind the scenes in recruiting but the fact that they weren't prosecuted is an embarrassment to the MSU basketball program on the same level Prince Shembo is to Notre Dame football.
I 100% agree that Red Cedar is a shit show. That's why you have fans from multiple schools that show up there. I believe it is the largest or most active board on 247, so you're going to get a lot of crazies. Compare that to here, this a free board full of Purdue people (and maybe a couple IU fans) who don't want to pay for Knucklehead Central or one of the paid boards.
In regards to Appling / Payne - again, you can think what you guys want. Stuart Dunnings, who I already previously mentioned as a UM grad, would have gone after them if he could have. After reviewing the "evidence", Dunnings said there was "no crime committed". He didn't say there wasn't enough evidence, he said no crime was committed. You can read the statement, from the prosecutor, here: http://detroit.sbnation.com/michiga...higan-state-basketball-players-sexual-assault
In any case, I'll let you guys get back the hive-mind group think that Izzo is a slimeball.
Pretty interesting when you read the prosecutor's statement after what the players said when they were questioned. Pretty convenient to ignore all that and just focus on the decision that was made instead of looking for the reasons it was made. I'm guessing that's why there was a federal investigation about how MSU handles sexual assault reports.
BTW, I am a member of the pay board here too and the sentiment regarding Izzo isn't significantly different there. Kind of a used car salesman whose puts on one face in public and operates quite differently when the camera isn't on and nobody is watching. I'm a guy that couldn't care less what people do in recruiting but the Appling/Payne stuff was beyond shameful.
NEWSFLASH: some of us here don't care about, or engage in, any of that garbage.
So get FUCCKKED.
I do enjoy watching you melt like a little bitch tho, so please keep it up.
Not to defend our Sparty guests or anything, but I agree that the athlete vs non-athlete prosecution rates were the main takeaway for me from the article (i.e. which schools show preferential treatment for their athletes). The dropped cases %'s cited in the article includes cases were the charges were plead down to civil infractions...I would guess alcohol related crimes for 1st time offenders on college campuses often get plead down, but maybe I'm wrong??
As for Izzo, it's never made sense to me is why he was suspended a game for a secondary violation. That just doesn't happen does it...what are other examples of a coach being suspended for a secondary violation? Secondary violations occur all the time & they result in quiet slaps on the wrist, not the public shame of a game suspension. The NCAA obviously found it to be a big enough deal to dole out a harsher punishment than normal (or were they actually being lenient with the suspension rather than something like taking away a scholly?). BTW, 2 of the 4 articles extolling Izzo's virtue & cleanliness are dated prior to Tom being suspended & should be viewed accordingly. I honestly don't think he's a slimeball, but it did knock the halo off the St. Izzo persona he portrays to the media.
Back to the topic of Painter's comments: That is the 2nd time I've heard him say he told Haas to honor his Wake commit. Can you imagine the ire toward Painter on here if Haas had stayed at Wake & we found out that Painter told him to honor the commit instead of reopening his recruitment? Glad Isaac didn't listen & decided to come to Purdue!
As for Izzo, it's never made sense to me is why he was suspended a game for a secondary violation. That just doesn't happen does it...what are other examples of a coach being suspended for a secondary violation? Secondary violations occur all the time & they result in quiet slaps on the wrist, not the public shame of a game suspension. The NCAA obviously found it to be a big enough deal to dole out a harsher punishment than normal (or were they actually being lenient with the suspension rather than something like taking away a scholly?). BTW, 2 of the 4 articles extolling Izzo's virtue & cleanliness are dated prior to Tom being suspended & should be viewed accordingly. I honestly don't think he's a slimeball, but it did knock the halo off the St. Izzo persona he portrays to the media.
Back to the topic of Painter's comments: That is the 2nd time I've heard him say he told Haas to honor his Wake commit. Can you imagine the ire toward Painter on here if Haas had stayed at Wake & we found out that Painter told him to honor the commit instead of reopening his recruitment? Glad Isaac didn't listen & decided to come to Purdue!
Well said as I did read the statements made by the players. And it never ceases to amaze me. Why does MileHigh and others feel the requirement to discipline a player must be based on a PROSECUTORS LEGAL DECISION? lol. Wonder if that is how he raises his kids, too?
You are right that that specific case is why MSU was under federal investigation. In another twist of information, there were 105 other schools that were also investigated for the same thing (Title IX). Some really "thug" schools in there too, like Harvard, UMass, Boston, Dartmouth, Brown, etc.
Here's the list of 94 schools:
Here's an article that shows it was bumped up to 106 schools: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/06/colleges-federal-investigation-title-ix-106_n_7011422.html
Look, I'm not saying that Payne/Appling are choir boys. But I do think your Purdue biases are seeing it how you want to see it. You think there is some sort of conspiracy that the Prosecutor is keeping MSU players safe? Why wouldn't he do the same for Derrick Nix when he got busted with a joint? Why wouldn't he do the same for when other athletes gave gotten into trouble? Why would the general student population be prosecuted at the same rate as athletes, if there was really preferential treatment going on?
There are 2 fan bases that think Izzo is dirty: Purdue and UM.
Question: How do I turn off the notifications that people are replying to this thread? I get an email every time someone replies, and I cannot resist the urge to return.
I would bet there are more than two.
Anyway, you can always just delete your account. I mean you've had it for over a year and only made 4 posts. All here.
I'm not saying the prosecutor protects all MSU athletes. I'm saying he protected Appling/Payne.
As far as biases, I think you might have some here as well and they are probably far stronger than mine. Not sure that's a road you want to go down.
Actually this is my account on the main college basketball board, of which I have around 1000 posts I think. I didn't make this one just to rabble rouse.
I don't even get the emails from my main board posts, so not sure why they are sending me them from this board only?
Edit: Figured it out, there was an unsubscribe type thing in the email itself.
I'm going to get out of here, you all take care.
You are right about one thing TooHigh: I am not going to read your bullshit links. But thanks anyway.
Lets be real clear about this Stuart Dunnings stuff that MSU fans hide behind the fact he went to the University of Michigan Law School and thus would be a Michigan fan. What this guy doesn't say is that Dunnings grew up in East Lansing, the son of a long time Lawyer and rumored to be a political fixer in the State Capital. His undergraduate is from Amhearst so his sports connection to UM is about as tenable as you can get. Except for his undergrad years and law school this guy has lived in East Lansing his whole life. Nice try on that one but I'm not buying he isn't a MSU fan at heart.
