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Jeff Teague said on Dakich yesterday that Painter never offered him, and in fact told him he "wasn't good enough" to play at Purdue.

Teague basically said he would have gone there. Ouch.

Also Said his parents didn't want him playing for Sampson. He was calling during dead periods and they knew he was cheating.
 
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This is part of the Scott Martin debacle. Basically had Martin never committed. Purdue would have ended up with either Teague but more likely Howard from Butler. Then in the following class Hayward would have committed to Purdue. My oh my how things would be so much different for not only both school but both coaches also.
 
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Jeff Teague said on Dakich yesterday that Painter never offered him, and in fact told him he "wasn't good enough" to play at Purdue.

Teague basically said he would have gone there. Ouch.

Also Said his parents didn't want him playing for Sampson. He was calling during dead periods and they knew he was cheating.
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If that's true, that's terrible.

For being a former guard (starting PG his senior season in '92-'93), Painter overall is a pretty bad evaluator of point guards.

Carsen Edwards (more of a combo guard) looks like he can be pretty good, Lewis Jackson was good (although he obviously lacked size and also a 3PT shot) and Keaton Grant (more of a combo guard as well) was at his offensive best in his sophomore season and we know about Kelsey Barlow and his pros and cons. So, he's had some good ones but man, it blows my mind how he doesn't even offer some of the best ones (that also show interest in Purdue).

Can you imagine those '07-'08 and '08-'09 teams with Jeff Teague on the roster? Holy crap that would have been better than anyone else at PG. Teague and Nic Moore are two of Painter's biggest misses when it comes to not extending an offer. It's like he doesn't want to have a high-level, true PG.
 
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takedownboiler said:
This is part of the Scott Martin debacle. Basically had Martin never committed. Purdue would have ended up with either Teague but more likely Howard from Butler. Then in the following class Hayward would have committed to Purdue. My oh my how things would be so much different for not only both school but both coaches also.
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So really, the 2007 class could have been even better than it was for Purdue. That's wild but also frustrating to know.

Here's the link to that Dakich/Teague interview: http://www.1070thefan.com/blogs/dan...h-about-switch-atl-ind-plus-cubs-insider-chat
 
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Hayward has stated that the only reason he didn't commit to Purdue was bc we already had two players basically at his same size and position.
 
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takedownboiler said:
Hayward has stated that the only reason he didn't commit to Purdue was bc we already had two players basically at his same size and position.
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Hummel and Martin

Painter liked playing Hummel and Martin together a lot (and did for that one season) just like how he's talking about possibly playing Mathias and Cline together a lot next season, lol. He has the program typically above .500 but these types of ideas and revelations just reiterate to me that he's not going to take the program to the next level. I think he's mentally stuck in a different era with his coaching ideologies. There's nothing that indicates greatness happening with him at the helm. It's disappointing and I wish the program could move on with a new regime (for better or worse).
 
takedownboiler said:
This is part of the Scott Martin debacle. Basically had Martin never committed. Purdue would have ended up with either Teague but more likely Howard from Butler. Then in the following class Hayward would have committed to Purdue. My oh my how things would be so much different for not only both school but both coaches also.
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Not according to Teague. If you listen to the interview, he is pretty clear that Painter didn't offer him, and was never going to, whereas we did have an offer out to Howard, but Martin grabbed it first.
 
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Jeff Teague said on Dakich yesterday that Painter never offered him, and in fact told him he "wasn't good enough" to play at Purdue.

Teague basically said he would have gone there. Ouch.

Also Said his parents didn't want him playing for Sampson. He was calling during dead periods and they knew he was cheating.
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When Painter talks about all his regrets in not offering guys, you never hear him mention Teague. I'd argue that would have been the biggest impact of any of his recruiting evaluation misses. Can you imagine a starting lineup of Teague, Moore, Hummel, and Johnson? Wow. That being said, every coach has missed evaluations, so I'm not going to get too worked up about it. But, this one is puzzling. Teague was ranked #57 in his class and was somewhat of a known quantity yet he wasn't good enough to play at Purdue??
 
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takedownboiler said:
This is part of the Scott Martin debacle. Basically had Martin never committed. Purdue would have ended up with either Teague but more likely Howard from Butler. Then in the following class Hayward would have committed to Purdue. My oh my how things would be so much different for not only both school but both coaches also.
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In retrospect, offering Martin was a mistake, but Purdue was returning very little on the front line and Martin was the #43 player in RSCI, so I was pretty excited about Purdue getting Martin. The only one of the Baby Boilers with an RSCI ranking lower than than Teague was Hummel.
 
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I'm not sure I'd buy Teague's version of the story as a word-for-word account. I'd be surprised if Painter, or any coach, goes around telling many recruits that they "aren't good enough to play for" whatever school so much as Painter probably had offers out to others that he couldn't offer Teague at the time. I think most coaches would communicate that while talking to a top 100 player from your home state in a different manner like, "We'd love to have you but we've got limited scholarships right now and we've made the decision to offer these other 4 top 100 players first."

My guess is that the conversation went more like that. Maybe to Teague, that just sounds like a little softer way to tell him he wasn't good enough to play at Purdue and the impression left is the same either way. I just think Coach Painter probably has a little different version of the conversations that went down there. Either way, the result was the same and hindsight is 20/20. You put Teague on that team instead of Martin and you have a monster. Remember though that many people thought Martin was the crown jewel of that class coming in. I think GBI predicted he would be a 2,000 point scorer or passed along a quote from someone that did. It's entirely possible, if not probable, that had we made Teague a priority that it would've been at the expense of someone other than Martin anyway. It's a recruiting miss but recruiting is so much easier ten years after the fact. We'd all sign up for that same 2007 class again.
 
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pharoutengineer said:
When Painter talks about all his regrets in not offering guys, you never hear him mention Teague. I'd argue that would have been the biggest impact of any of his recruiting evaluation misses. Can you imagine a starting lineup of Teague, Moore, Hummel, and Johnson? Wow. That being said, every coach has missed evaluations, so I'm not going to get too worked up about it. But, this one is puzzling. Teague was ranked #57 in his class and was somewhat of a known quantity yet he wasn't good enough to play at Purdue??
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Teagues ranking came late and Jeff didn't really blow up until the summer before his senior year which is late for most classes. What Jeff doesn't say in that sound bite is that a whole lot of coaches didn't offer him and Wake was probably his best outside of IU. Coaches are not clairvoyant. Keady didn't offer Scott Skiles and several others.

Thad Matta seems pretty good at evaluations but he didnt push hard for Vince.
 
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FWIW, Keady supposed told Jeff Teague's dad when he was being recruited that he wasnt good enough either. This thing with the Teague Family and Purdue is intergenerational. You on this board also foreget that there are only so many scholarships to go around. Coaches have to make decissions and sometimes they dont turnout well.

The Teagues have done well and more power to them. As for Jockitch, he makes a living in controversy. Consider the source always from his show which I am suprised any Purdue Fan listens too.
 
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TC4THREE said:
I'm not sure I'd buy Teague's version of the story as a word-for-word account. I'd be surprised if Painter, or any coach, goes around telling many recruits that they "aren't good enough to play for" whatever school so much as Painter probably had offers out to others that he couldn't offer Teague at the time. I think most coaches would communicate that while talking to a top 100 player from your home state in a different manner like, "We'd love to have you but we've got limited scholarships right now and we've made the decision to offer these other 4 top 100 players first."
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This was my first thought, too. Teague's ego may have been bruised by not being offered, and in his mind, that was the same as Purdue telling him, "You aren't good enough to play for Purdue."

As you said, it's hard to imagine a coach using those words.
 
indianphil said:
As for Jockitch, he makes a living in controversy. Consider the source always from his show which I am suprised any Purdue Fan listens too.
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I am certainly no champion of Dakich. He's a blowhard who says a lot of stuff just for ratings. But, it's silly to say "consider the source" when the you are talking about direct quotes from guests on his show. He gets a lot of quality guests and they often reveal information in interviews there that you don't find elsewhere. I rarely listen to his show, but sometimes his guests have relevant information to convey regarding Purdue. His regular interviews with Matt Painter, for one, are always interesting.
 
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New Pal Boiler said:
Jeff Teague said on Dakich yesterday that Painter never offered him, and in fact told him he "wasn't good enough" to play at Purdue.

Teague basically said he would have gone there. Ouch.

Also Said his parents didn't want him playing for Sampson. He was calling during dead periods and they knew he was cheating.
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Teague did not blow up until late...it was the summer after his junior year. Hummel, Moore, Johnson and Martin all played AAU together, and it was a no-brainer to take the package deal of Hummel and Martin, never mind that Moore was a prize recruit and Johnson highly touted as well...they had four scholarships and already had a PG (and targeted one in the following class, which ended up being Jackson).

No way Painter told Teague that he was not good enough to play at/for Purdue. He was not targeted by any means, easy to suggest in hindsight that it was a mistake, but it was not as if Purdue blew him off (particularly when considering the state of the program at that time). Painter had identified who he wanted and invested effort and time into getting those guys, and he succeeded...there was not a guy in that class that anybody could argue was not better or a better target, and nobody lost any sleep over Teague not being targeted or leaving for Wake Forest.
 
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nagemj02 said:
If that's true, that's terrible.

For being a former guard (starting PG his senior season in '92-'93), Painter overall is a pretty bad evaluator of point guards.

Carsen Edwards (more of a combo guard) looks like he can be pretty good, Lewis Jackson was good (although he obviously lacked size and also a 3PT shot) and Keaton Grant (more of a combo guard as well) was at his offensive best in his sophomore season and we know about Kelsey Barlow and his pros and cons. So, he's had some good ones but man, it blows my mind how he doesn't even offer some of the best ones (that also show interest in Purdue).

Can you imagine those '07-'08 and '08-'09 teams with Jeff Teague on the roster? Holy crap that would have been better than anyone else at PG. Teague and Nic Moore are two of Painter's biggest misses when it comes to not extending an offer. It's like he doesn't want to have a high-level, true PG.
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Painter not offering hardly qualifies as terrible (if that is what you were talking about)...had he told Teague that he was not good enough to play for/at Purdue, I would agree with the notion that THAT was terrible, but there is no way that actually happened.

Nobody in their right mind would question who was pursued, offered or subsequently signed in that class, never mind Purdue fans given the state of the program at that time.

As for his evaluation skills of the PG position...he pursued some guys that he did not ultimately sign that were certainly very good PGs (at both the HS and college level), but I think Keady and Painter both have evaluated that position differently at times than other coaches/programs...largely because of how they perceive the role of the PG seemingly, as well as how they ultimately use them.
 
indianphil said:
FWIW, Keady supposed told Jeff Teague's dad when he was being recruited that he wasnt good enough either. This thing with the Teague Family and Purdue is intergenerational. You on this board also foreget that there are only so many scholarships to go around. Coaches have to make decissions and sometimes they dont turnout well.

The Teagues have done well and more power to them. As for Jockitch, he makes a living in controversy. Consider the source always from his show which I am suprised any Purdue Fan listens too.
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Far more likely that Keady would make a comment along those lines, as more his style and recruiting was far different at that time as well. For that matter, given how things played out for Shawn Teague, it would be hard to argue with the assertion that he was not good enough to play at Purdue (and that is not a knock on Shawn, as he was a good/solid/talented player...but he moved on from Missouri to go play at Boston instead, which proved to be a much better fit).
 
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Jeff Teague said on Dakich yesterday that Painter never offered him, and in fact told him he "wasn't good enough" to play at Purdue.

Teague basically said he would have gone there. Ouch.

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Yes, Painter was inexperienced back then and while I am sure he did not say the above, he obviously presented himself and Purdue in such a way to make Teague feel that way.
 
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Yes, Painter was inexperienced back then and while I am sure he did not say the above, he obviously presented himself and Purdue in such a way to make Teague feel that way.
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That could mean the problem is with how Teague reacted to not being offered rather than how it was done too.
 
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purdue4sure said:
This was my first thought, too. Teague's ego may have been bruised by not being offered, and in his mind, that was the same as Purdue telling him, "You aren't good enough to play for Purdue."

As you said, it's hard to imagine a coach using those words.
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No coach in his right mind would say that specific quote. Even to a kid who's not good enough. I still think it's grounds for dismissal.
 
There were/are so many Teagues out there, it's getting difficult remembering one from another.If you coach long enough hurt feelings will happen. I would be surprised if Coach really said anything close to that. It seemed lke someone was signing everyday for that week period that year. Maybe the phrase "we have no room left" was taken out of context and this was the axe to grind opportunity.
 
A couple of other considerations regarding the matter...

First, it was a loaded class in Indiana...and Teague, while very good, was not at the top of that class.

Second, given all that happened with the recruitment of a couple of other Pike guys that preceded him, that may have been a factor as well. Personally, if Purdue genuinely missed on someone, and on someone from Pike specifically, they missed more on Courtney Lee than they did on Teague.

I don't recall Teague ever being very vocal regarding his alleged interest in Purdue for that matter either...and, again, it was not a position of need or even a targeted position in that particular class.

I would suggest that Teague turned out to be far better than a lot of people had anticipated, and that going to Wake worked out quite well for him...likely far better than had he gone to Purdue for that matter...why it is even being made into some sort of issue is beyond me...it certainly was not an issue at the time, nor should it be one now.
 
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We did offer LeBron but he had to stay two years so it was a non starter. No point in offering a kid who wasn't going to play a minute of college ball.
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I've learned from the experts here that if we offer they will come so I'm betting we didn't offer or Lebron would have been thrilled to give up 2 years and $$$$$$$M to play for the Boilers.
 
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takedownboiler said:
Hayward has stated that the only reason he didn't commit to Purdue was bc we already had two players basically at his same size and position.
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There was at least one other reason.
DG10 said:
A couple of other considerations regarding the matter...

First, it was a loaded class in Indiana...and Teague, while very good, was not at the top of that class.

Second, given all that happened with the recruitment of a couple of other Pike guys that preceded him, that may have been a factor as well. Personally, if Purdue genuinely missed on someone, and on someone from Pike specifically, they missed more on Courtney Lee than they did on Teague.

I don't recall Teague ever being very vocal regarding his alleged interest in Purdue for that matter either...and, again, it was not a position of need or even a targeted position in that particular class.

I would suggest that Teague turned out to be far better than a lot of people had anticipated, and that going to Wake worked out quite well for him...likely far better than had he gone to Purdue for that matter...why it is even being made into some sort of issue is beyond me...it certainly was not an issue at the time, nor should it be one now.
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actually, he said in the interview, "I wanted to go there".
He also said regarding Etwaun, "I thought we could play together". And he expressed interest in playing with Jajuan and robbie too.

But I agree that you can't blame Painter, since he only had 4 spots, and had signed 2 guards the previous year.

And Larry Bird passed on him also.
 
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BBG said:
The more I read the comments he made, the more they come across as him being butthurt more than anything else.

So... time to move along, nothing to see here.
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That pretty much sums it up. I grew up in Indy and played on the west side, went to Ron Hunter's camps, etc... and graduated HS in '06. I played with, against, or was around a lot of talent. Let's just say that Teague simply wasn't well liked. Conley, Oden, Gordon, Hill, Carney...none of them ran their mouths like Teague did.

Correction: Marques ran his mouth like Jeff did lol
 
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