Painter isn't going to be fired, nor should he be

[gr8indoorsman]

That loss is squarely on his shoulders, see the other "how is this Painter's fault" thread. CMP lost that game at the end for failing to have the team prepared for the situation - fouling under 5, calling timeout after the made three. We went to overtime looking totally clueless for the final 6 seconds, and had two timeouts in our pocket. That's inexcusable.

BUT.

Purdue's got a good core returning, maybe the best core in the conference, and it's a team that's won some big games and lost some huge games in a bunch of different ways. In my opinion, you don't start over in that situation. You press on, leaders emerge, and hopefully the f----ing coach learns a lesson he didn't learn last year. We'll see.

The seat should be warm at this point. Last year, you can kind of excuse an 8-9 loss, even if it was a choke job. There is no excuse for this game, and the inexcusable losses are piling up on Painter much faster than the dramatic wins. At some point, that causes you to cut bait.

We're not at that point. Yet.

 

[Beeazlebub]

That loss is squarely on his shoulders, see the other "how is this Painter's fault" thread. CMP lost that game at the end for failing to have the team prepared for the situation - fouling under 5, calling timeout after the made three. We went to overtime looking totally clueless for the final 6 seconds, and had two timeouts in our pocket. That's inexcusable.

BUT.

Purdue's got a good core returning, maybe the best core in the conference, and it's a team that's won some big games and lost some huge games in a bunch of different ways. In my opinion, you don't start over in that situation. You press on, leaders emerge, and hopefully the f----ing coach learns a lesson he didn't learn last year. We'll see.

The seat should be warm at this point. Last year, you can kind of excuse an 8-9 loss, even if it was a choke job. There is no excuse for this game, and the inexcusable losses are piling up on Painter much faster than the dramatic wins. At some point, that causes you to cut bait.

We're not at that point. Yet.

Anyone with wisdom waits until long after an emotional gut-punch like this to advocate for any changes. That said, firing Painter would be one of the worst moves ever made by a major program.

 

[immortal06]

Ok to MPs credit this team improved a huge weakness of years past which was FT shooting. And probably some other stuff I'm missing. That said.....

Relying on PGs who are fifth year transfers caught up this year. Octeus was a gamble that paid off. Hill was not and PJ just is what he is. MP still hasn't figured out the personnel needed to break a press; we struggled against zones and, I don't care how much Davis is a D guy, he was a complete liability tonight and MP left him on the floor while a 5*, the first one the program has had in 20+ years rode the oak. They didn't even bother guarding Davis and Painter was seemingly oblivious to this. Just overall you can go back to the KU tourney game, Cincy and now this and ask yourself will we EVER win the big, winnable game under MP??

 

[Boilermagi]

Carsen Edwards fills the exact hole we need and will start over PJ from day one. And that is only assuming he is marginally as good as reports indicate.

 

[AZPurdue]

I think he should be fired.

For what it's worth, here is Painter's resume since getting the huge contract. He's being paid top 25 coaching money but not producing top 25 results:

11-12 22-13, lost in 2nd rd
12-13 16-18, lost in CBI" quarterfinals
13-14 15-17
14-15 21-13, lost in 1st round
15-16 26-9, lost in 1st round

 

[banshee90]

I think he should be fired.

For what it's worth, here is Painter's resume since getting the huge contract. He's being paid top 25 coaching money but not producing top 25 results:

11-12 22-13, lost in 2nd rd
12-13 16-18, lost in CBI" quarterfinals
13-14 15-17
14-15 21-13, lost in 1st round
15-16 26-9, lost in 1st round

This could we do worse than Painter? Yes absolutely, but we know what painter gives us a decent regular season some head scratchers and a S16 finish at best. I am sorry that I am willing to gamble and go after more! Plenty of schools do it and fail, it happens! Thats how the game is played for every coach K there are 20 no name failures.

I just don't want future generations to look back and see Gene Keady as the zenith of Purdue. Lets look at the colts Jim Mora had the talent couldn't win, did Irsay say hmm maybe next year will be the year, lets not risk going after another coach and failing. HELL NO HE GOT A NEW COACH AND WON A SUPERBOWL.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

I think he should be fired.

For what it's worth, here is Painter's resume since getting the huge contract. He's being paid top 25 coaching money but not producing top 25 results:

11-12 22-13, lost in 2nd rd
12-13 16-18, lost in CBI" quarterfinals
13-14 15-17
14-15 21-13, lost in 1st round
15-16 26-9, lost in 1st round

I can't disagree with anything, I just don't think you cut bait with the core he's built. Now, you don't make some serious noise with the Haas, Edwards, Mathias class along with Cline and Swanigan and the other guys coming back and coming in or you seriously regress next season, yes, I can see firing him in 2017. I think at this point, you have to see this core group through. They're experienced, they've been through tough losses from which they SHOULD learn, and there's probably still 3 NBA bench rotation guys on the roster as underclassmen (Haas, Edwards, Swanigan). That should be enough to be really good, and I think you let Painter see that through.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

This could we do worse than Painter? Yes absolutely, but we know what painter gives us a decent regular season some head scratchers and a S16 finish at best. I am sorry that I am willing to gamble and go after more! Plenty of schools do it and fail, it happens! Thats how the game is played for every coach K there are 20 no name failures.

I just don't want future generations to look back and see Gene Keady as the zenith of Purdue. Lets look at the colts Jim Mora had the talent couldn't win, did Irsay say hmm maybe next year will be the year, lets not risk going after another coach and failing. HELL NO HE GOT A NEW COACH AND WON A SUPERBOWL.

I'll remind people that we said the same thing with Joe Tiller, and that got us Danny Hope and Darrell Hazell. It doesn't usually get better, and we REALLY won't like it if it gets worse.

IMO, firing Painter at this juncture (which isn't going to happen anyway!) would be a huge mistake.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

That loss is squarely on his shoulders, see the other "how is this Painter's fault" thread. CMP lost that game at the end for failing to have the team prepared for the situation - fouling under 5, calling timeout after the made three. We went to overtime looking totally clueless for the final 6 seconds, and had two timeouts in our pocket. That's inexcusable.

BUT.

Purdue's got a good core returning, maybe the best core in the conference, and it's a team that's won some big games and lost some huge games in a bunch of different ways. In my opinion, you don't start over in that situation. You press on, leaders emerge, and hopefully the f----ing coach learns a lesson he didn't learn last year. We'll see.

The seat should be warm at this point. Last year, you can kind of excuse an 8-9 loss, even if it was a choke job. There is no excuse for this game, and the inexcusable losses are piling up on Painter much faster than the dramatic wins. At some point, that causes you to cut bait.

We're not at that point. Yet.

I agree. Not in favor of firing him, but definitely not extending any time soon, until we see an Elite 8, at minimum.

He needs to have a great 2017 class. Tonight's result probably doesn't help with that.

 

[FL33]

Anyone with wisdom waits until long after an emotional gut-punch like this to advocate for any changes. That said, firing Painter would be one of the worst moves ever made by a major program.

Yea... but you're not a major program.

 

[banshee90]

Joe TIller retired, we let him stay for too long so by the time he left all momentum was dead. Hope got us to the bottom tier bowl games and Hazell sucks. It happens but do you think Hope would have suddenly figured out how to coach on game day? I am willing to risk it not getting better if the options are embarrass ourselves on national tv during the tourney vs just not getting into the tourney. At least then I don't have a glimmer of hope maybe this year we will do something. I can go on with life much easier without that stupid hope. That hope that maybe painter will put on his thinking cap and see man I keep blowing leads at the end of big games, maybe i am doing something wrong

Florida Unlucky
Duke Unlucky
Kansas Unlucky
VCU Unlucky
Cinci Unlucky
Arkansas LR Just plain Unlucky

We aren't cursed, we just have a poor game day coach!

 

[boiler-deuce]

I'll remind people that we said the same thing with Joe Tiller, and that got us Danny Hope and Darrell Hazell. It doesn't usually get better, and we REALLY won't like it if it gets worse.

IMO, firing Painter at this juncture (which isn't going to happen anyway!) would be a huge mistake.

Please. Painter is no Joe Tiller. He took us to a Rose Bowl. You want an honest comparison? He's more like a Danny Hope. So we got Hazell? I'd rather fire 3 coaches until you get the right man for the job. That's how we got Tiller. You don't sit on a Fred Akers. You fire him and Colletto til you get a Tiller. You either aspire for something better...or you wallow in mediocrity forever. Sorry, I'd rather aspire.....fail....aspire.....fail.....then get it right.

 

[Poprudy]

If we like mediocrity then we will settle. Painter has brought decent recruiting amd winning but that's where it ends. I myself would like to make some noise and this just hasn't happen for 11 years!

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Please. Painter is no Joe Tiller. He took us to a Rose Bowl. You want an honest comparison? He's more like a Danny Hope. So we got Hazell? I'd rather fire 3 coaches until you get the right man for the job. That's how we got Tiller. You don't sit on a Fred Akers. You fire him and Colletto til you get a Tiller. You either aspire for something better...or you wallow in mediocrity forever. Sorry, I'd rather aspire.....fail....aspire.....fail.....then get it right.

Joe Tiller took us to a Rose Bowl via a tiebreaker following an 8-3 season. He's maybe the best coach Purdue football has ever had, but Painter's won more B1G championships and been equally effective in the post season. Both won some games, but neither did (or has done) anything truly meaningful and suffered embarrasing losses (Georgia anyone?). We make Tiller out to be Jesus, but he was just a good, likeable coach that won more than we're used to. I know, I'm a witch. Burn me. It's true.

 

[pu1985]

Being Purdue they'll never fire him at this point. But...if we hire the right AD (a big if) that person should sit down with Painter on day one and lay out the expectations of a $2.5 million a year coach - and what happens when you miss expectations.
And stick to them.
The loyal fans deserve so much for years of frustration and backing.

 

[cprh9u]

I think he should be fired.

For what it's worth, here is Painter's resume since getting the huge contract. He's being paid top 25 coaching money but not producing top 25 results:

11-12 22-13, lost in 2nd rd
12-13 16-18, lost in CBI" quarterfinals
13-14 15-17
14-15 21-13, lost in 1st round
15-16 26-9, lost in 1st round

Holy crap!!! He sucks! Not being sarcastic, but I always think of the big 3 years when I think of Painter. He has been AWFUL over the past 5 years. He really needs to go, but I doubt Purdue will do it anytime soon, regardless of AD.

 

[mryankee2397]

tired of wait till next year. time to cut bait with painter,morgan and hazell. purdue athletics is a big joke right now and we are not amused

 

[FL33]

Good is the enemy of great.

Purdue and Painter are similar to Brey and ND. If you fire the coach you could do better. But you could just as easily do worse. Unfortunately, neither of those guys are good gameday coaches, although Painter is better than Brey in that regard (today's calamity notwithstanding).

It's a tough call if you want a great program. High risk/high reward in firing the coach.

 

[cprh9u]

This could we do worse than Painter? Yes absolutely, but we know what painter gives us a decent regular season some head scratchers and a S16 finish at best. I am sorry that I am willing to gamble and go after more! Plenty of schools do it and fail, it happens! Thats how the game is played for every coach K there are 20 no name failures.

I just don't want future generations to look back and see Gene Keady as the zenith of Purdue. Lets look at the colts Jim Mora had the talent couldn't win, did Irsay say hmm maybe next year will be the year, lets not risk going after another coach and failing. HELL NO HE GOT A NEW COACH AND WON A SUPERBOWL.

So spot on. So many are scared we might lose our mediocre coach and be bad. We can always get mediocrity back. There is no reason not to try for better.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

It's funny that people will want to fire Painter and hire whoever the next big thing from a mid-major is. At one point, Painter was the next big thing at a mid-major. I don't think he's Jesus, just saying it doesn't always work out immediately, nor in the long term. I personally think we're better off keeping Painter, certainly now, and hopefully in the future. But we'll see how things pan out next year and after. Obvoiusly, we're not firing Painter right now.

 

[TJBoiler]

That loss is squarely on his shoulders, see the other "how is this Painter's fault" thread. CMP lost that game at the end for failing to have the team prepared for the situation - fouling under 5, calling timeout after the made three. We went to overtime looking totally clueless for the final 6 seconds, and had two timeouts in our pocket. That's inexcusable.

BUT.

Purdue's got a good core returning, maybe the best core in the conference, and it's a team that's won some big games and lost some huge games in a bunch of different ways. In my opinion, you don't start over in that situation. You press on, leaders emerge, and hopefully the f----ing coach learns a lesson he didn't learn last year. We'll see.

The seat should be warm at this point. Last year, you can kind of excuse an 8-9 loss, even if it was a choke job. There is no excuse for this game, and the inexcusable losses are piling up on Painter much faster than the dramatic wins. At some point, that causes you to cut bait.

We're not at that point. Yet.

Once again you fail to acknowledge some of the shots ARK hit. LOOK AT LSU.. They had a world of talent and missed the tourney. I just watched Painters interview after the game. He talked about the game but was not OMG the world has ended.

He is right. You know what? It's entertainment. That's what it is.... It's St Patricks day and I am going to go out and have some fun now. People come on this board and start railing FIRE MATT PAINTER. He did pretty good in the tourney with Hummel, JJ Johnson, Moore and Kramer. The team had flaws, blew leads all year.

Purdue will have a good team next year and I will be rooting for them. Purdue has lost 2 NCAA OT games the last 2 years in the 1st rd. Blowing leads. It sucks. But as you pointed out. This team will be good next year and you don't fire Painter right now.

 

[banshee90]

So spot on. So many are scared we might lose our mediocre coach and be bad. We can always get mediocrity back. There is no reason not to try for better.

RAH RAH WE MADE IT TO THE TOURNEY! I hate the mentality of Purdue Sports, Morgan Burke the late years really has taken the rebel **** you mentality we had in his early days here! I get it we are not IU basketball or ND football. We will never be the big guy on campus, but **** it lets punch above our belt every once in awhile. Early exits are the norm for Painter!

 

[TJBoiler]

Please. Painter is no Joe Tiller. He took us to a Rose Bowl. You want an honest comparison? He's more like a Danny Hope. So we got Hazell? I'd rather fire 3 coaches until you get the right man for the job. That's how we got Tiller. You don't sit on a Fred Akers. You fire him and Colletto til you get a Tiller. You either aspire for something better...or you wallow in mediocrity forever. Sorry, I'd rather aspire.....fail....aspire.....fail.....then get it right.

REALLY? Gene Keady never got Purdue to a final 4 especially with Glenn Robinson. Yet Keady is considered a legend by some Purdue fans. You want a coach that gets the program in trouble with the NCAA? Keady got Purdue in trouble because he felt the pressure to get to a Final 4 and started recruiting athletic borderline students. I bet you Illinois fans would have liked to see their team play today.

Purdue had weak guards and you need good guards in the tournament. It's a freaking basketball game. This is not about just Painter. It's about the frustration of all the Keady teams that were better and blew it. Until last year Painter had the longest winning streak of winning 1st rd games. You could tell as the game went on that Ark guards realized that Purdue's PG's couldn't handle pressure.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Once again you fail to acknowledge some of the shots ARK hit. LOOK AT LSU.. They had a world of talent and missed the tourney. I just watched Painters interview after the game. He talked about the game but was not OMG the world has ended.

He is right. You know what? It's entertainment. That's what it is.... It's St Patricks day and I am going to go out and have some fun now. People come on this board and start railing FIRE MATT PAINTER. He did pretty good in the tourney with Hummel, JJ Johnson, Moore and Kramer. The team had flaws, blew leads all year.

Purdue will have a good team next year and I will be rooting for them. Purdue has lost 2 NCAA OT games the last 2 years in the 1st rd. Blowing leads. It sucks. But as you pointed out. This team will be good next year and you don't fire Painter right now.

Dude. I didn't "fail" to acknowledge anything, and at no point did I say the world was coming to an end. Actually, quite the opposite. Point is, AFTER the kid hit his impossible shot, Painter brain-locked. We can't always control who is going to go bonkers at the end of the game, but we CAN control the team knowing what to do in the possible situations. That's the coach's JOB, and Painter failed to do that job.

And apparently you didn't read the post. I actually said in the thread title that Painter shouldn't be fired.

 

[Casey and his Brother]

Of course he won't be fired. For Purdue, he's the pinnacle of success, which everywhere else is mediocrity. They'll never let Painter go, no matter how many cheerleaders he bangs, which is probably his best attribute.

 

[bleedgoldandblack]

I can't disagree with anything, I just don't think you cut bait with the core he's built. Now, you don't make some serious noise with the Haas, Edwards, Mathias class along with Cline and Swanigan and the other guys coming back and coming in or you seriously regress next season, yes, I can see firing him in 2017. I think at this point, you have to see this core group through. They're experienced, they've been through tough losses from which they SHOULD learn, and there's probably still 3 NBA bench rotation guys on the roster as underclassmen (Haas, Edwards, Swanigan). That should be enough to be really good, and I think you let Painter see that through.

I have always been with the fire Painter crowd. I didn't think he should have been hired because I thought he was going to be another Keady. Boy was I wrong, he is much worse.

I don't think Purdue will fire Painter now, but they should. We have enough of a sample size to know he isn't capable of getting us where we want to go. I actually think it's a shame he has let down the young men he's recruited.

Under your scenario next year, how do you define success? What is the bare minimum line he must get to?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I have always been with the fire Painter crowd. I didn't think he should have been hired because I thought he was going to be another Keady. Boy was I wrong, he is much worse.

I don't think Purdue will fire Painter now, but they should. We have enough of a sample size to know he isn't capable of getting us where we want to go. I actually think it's a shame he has let down the young men he's recruited.

Under your scenario next year, how do you define success? What is the bare minimum line he must get to?

All the buyout money is going towards a certain turtle-vested fellow this fall hopefully, so painter is going nowhere anytime soon.

 

[BoilerDeac]

Anyone with wisdom waits until long after an emotional gut-punch like this to advocate for any changes. That said, firing Painter would be one of the worst moves ever made by a major program.

Still blinded. Of course he won't get fired, but it's 100% clear Painter is as mediocre of a coach as there is.

Stop defending him. He got outcoached, yet again. Losing this game was a disgrace.

Big time coaches and players rise up in March. Not Painter. How many passes is this guy going to get?

 

[Chauncey1986]

Someone call me when someone, either player or coach lights a fire under this team like Keady, Kramer, Cardinal used to do. No leadership. No emotion. May this nightmare happen to those who like to slam us from the outside. Their day is coming, not to mention any names.

 

[tigerchump]

I am 99 percent sure Painter will be the Purdue coach next year,so I am not going to argue about whether He should be or not.

 

[cprh9u]

Still blinded. Of course he won't get fired, but it's 100% clear Painter is as mediocre of a coach as there is.

Stop defending him. He got outcoached, yet again. Losing this game was a disgrace.

Big time coaches and players rise up in March. Not Painter. How many passes is this guy going to get?

This is Purdue. He will be here as long as the program is clean and makes it to the NCAA tournament once every 3 years or so.

 

[cprh9u]

Of course he won't be fired. For Purdue, he's the pinnacle of success, which everywhere else is mediocrity. They'll never let Painter go, no matter how many cheerleaders he bangs, which is probably his best attribute.

Ouch

 

[gr8indoorsman]

I actually think it's a shame he has let down the young men he's recruited.

Under your scenario next year, how do you define success? What is the bare minimum line he must get to?

First, I doubt that any of his players feel like he's let them down. While I place the blame for the loss squarely on him tonight, the players definitely had a hand in it - missed free throws (Cline and Hammons), turnovers (PJ and Hill), a brain freeze that the coach should've prevented (Edwards), etc. If any of them feel like the coach let them down and can't look in the mirror, they should transfer because I don't want them here.

Second, I don't know. I'd have to look at what's coming back elsewhere. My feeling is that Purdue has the best bunch returning in the conference, maybe behind Ohio State. That doesn't include recruits where Purdue has one good one, but teams like MSU will reload and probably be right back up there (though MSU loses it's best four players, they're bound to slide a little bit at least early).

My gut feel is that Purdue should be a top 20 team again next year. If I had to draw a line in the sand, I'd say sweet 16 at a minimum. That said, I think they're going to be very different next year. I think they'll be better, but in a different way. It won't be defense. They'll be more offensively efficient and probably aim to play solid defense while outscoring most teams. Haas isn't going to be the defender AJ is, and we won't have a wing presence to shut down individual scorers like Davis.

That said, I think Haas is better offensively than Hammons and particularly if he can develop a 15-footer. I think just about anyone is better offensively than Davis, certainly Mathias who stands to take his starting spot. You split 30 more minutes between Mathias and Cline and you're a better offensive team. We'll see.

 

[Chauncey1986]

Has anyone seen Grant Weatherford play?

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Carsen Edwards fills the exact hole we need and will start over PJ from day one. And that is only assuming he is marginally as good as reports indicate.

PJ will be even a much more improved PG next year. Edwards is a SG.

 

[lbodel]

Gregg Doyel article: http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...nter-made-mistakes-but-stop-bashing/81972156/

That makes a program look unstable, and Purdue is not unstable. Underperforming at times, yes. Unstable? No. Eight NCAA tournament appearances in the past decade. Almost 23 victories per year.

Purdue needs to be a little bit better. But it could be a whole lot worse.

 

[Boilermagi]

Gregg Doyel article: http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...nter-made-mistakes-but-stop-bashing/81972156/

That makes a program look unstable, and Purdue is not unstable. Underperforming at times, yes. Unstable? No. Eight NCAA tournament appearances in the past decade. Almost 23 victories per year.

Purdue needs to be a little bit better. But it could be a whole lot worse.

Shhh logic is lost on the clueless negative nitwits.

 

[rasrar]

worth the read

http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...nter-made-mistakes-but-stop-bashing/81972156/

 

[honey_badger]

as long as that "core" you're talking about can take care of Indiana, I believe we play them twice or only at Mackey, so yea, that looks like a win because Bryant is gone from IU and OG and a ton of other players graduate (yogi and others), so yea, this is what it's all about, beating Indiana, anything else is just gravy.

 

[TC4THREE]

So spot on. So many are scared we might lose our mediocre coach and be bad. We can always get mediocrity back. There is no reason not to try for better.

Still waiting for the football program to get mediocrity back and if you think we were mediocre this year in basketball then your opinion doesn't count for much anyway.