Painter: Best Coach yet to Make a Final Four

[bonefish1]

A sweet 16 isn't a tourney failure. 16 of 364 teams do that each year. We were upset in that round so it was a disappointment, but that same team upset UK in the first round (they also haven't gone looking for a new coach yet, and obviously are a more well regarded program).

Also if you go back the last 6 tourneys our record is one of the best in the nation consistency wise. There are like 5 teams in the nation that have gone S16 or better in 4 of the last 6 tourneys. We just need to figure out how to not choke to teams that dare the refs to make a call every possession, and the refs let the play go. I suppose the last choke job was just as much no one hitting a wide open shot, but the S16 the year before was 100% bully ball taking us out of the game.

TLDR: Stop exaggerating how bad things are. We got to fix a couple of things (better/more athletic guard play, and not letting bully ball get into our heads). Back to the basket will work fine, if the supporting cast can take advantage of double/triple team and Zach gets better at immediately tossing it back out to the open man when said double team happens.

I still don't agree that Purdue is on some consistent upward projection when it comes to the tourney. In the last 5 years (we would have missed the tourney in 2020), we've lost to a 13, 15, and a historical loss to a 16 seed. Tell me how that can't be viewed as anything but extremely poor tournament results?
And it's kind of funny that you would say bully ball took Purdue out of their game when it's usually Purdue trying to do the bullying.
And finally, no, back to the basket offense has proven to be pretty ineffective in the tourney. It can work if you have great guard play, but it your number 1 offensive option is the low post, then that's very easy to defend and eliminate.

 

[bonefish1]

If they do, it’s only because of basketball (unless you count volleyball).

Correct. I meant from an overall athletics standpoint, which would include bball and sure, throw vball in there. (I happen to love women's college vball).

 

[Thadoc1]

I still don't agree that Purdue is on some consistent upward projection when it comes to the tourney. In the last 5 years (we would have missed the tourney in 2020), we've lost to a 13, 15, and a historical loss to a 16 seed. Tell me how that can't be viewed as anything but extremely poor tournament results?
And it's kind of funny that you would say bully ball took Purdue out of their game when it's usually Purdue trying to do the bullying.
And finally, no, back to the basket offense has proven to be pretty ineffective in the tourney. It can work if you have great guard play, but it your number 1 offensive option is the low post, then that's very easy to defend and eliminate.

If we weren't on an upward trajectory then we wouldn't be top 5 preseason this year....

 

[bonefish1]

If we weren't on an upward trajectory then we wouldn't be top 5 preseason this year....

Doesn't matter where you start, matters where you finish.
If we're a top 5 team preseason, does that imply that anything but a Final Four is a failure of a season ?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I still don't agree that Purdue is on some consistent upward projection when it comes to the tourney. In the last 5 years (we would have missed the tourney in 2020), we've lost to a 13, 15, and a historical loss to a 16 seed. Tell me how that can't be viewed as anything but extremely poor tournament results?
And it's kind of funny that you would say bully ball took Purdue out of their game when it's usually Purdue trying to do the bullying.
And finally, no, back to the basket offense has proven to be pretty ineffective in the tourney. It can work if you have great guard play, but it your number 1 offensive option is the low post, then that's very easy to defend and eliminate.

We’ve made 4 out of the last 6 sweet sixteens. That’s an upward trajectory.

 

[Thadoc1]

Doesn't matter where you start, matters where you finish.
If we're a top 5 team preseason, does that imply that anything but a Final Four is a failure of a season ?

You're acting like we're on a downward spiral...the rest of college bball doesn't agree....other people actually think we'll be better than we've ever been....so I guess that fdu loss meant less than you thought....

 

[bonefish1]

You're acting like we're on a downward spiral...the rest of college bball doesn't agree....other people actually think we'll be better than we've ever been....so I guess that fdu loss meant less than you thought....

I don't think we're on a downward spiral, but Painter needs to make some deep runs in the tourney and do it soon or else his legacy will be similar to Keady's: great regular season coach. Cou

 

[Thadoc1]

I don't think we're on a downward spiral, but Painter needs to make some deep runs in the tourney and do it soon or else his legacy will be similar to Keady's: great regular season coach. Cou

Meh....as long as he avoids the major upsets in the near future he will be fine...yes a final four would enhance his career but it won't change his recruiting much and he's not in danger of getting fired anytime soon....he's really under no pressure here and he seems like he'll have a good program for at least the next 5 years or so....

 

[northside100]

Meh....as long as he avoids the major upsets in the near future he will be fine...yes a final four would enhance his career but it won't change his recruiting much and he's not in danger of getting fired anytime soon....he's really under no pressure here and he seems like he'll have a good program for at least the next 5 years or so....

Keady is a HOF coach so it’s not like comparing the two is an insult to Painter. I suspect that high-level NCAAT success will be the difference between Painter being considered one of the great big 10 coaches or one of the great coaches nationally.

 

[JRKinn]

I still don't agree that Purdue is on some consistent upward projection when it comes to the tourney. In the last 5 years (we would have missed the tourney in 2020), we've lost to a 13, 15, and a historical loss to a 16 seed. Tell me how that can't be viewed as anything but extremely poor tournament results?
And it's kind of funny that you would say bully ball took Purdue out of their game when it's usually Purdue trying to do the bullying.
And finally, no, back to the basket offense has proven to be pretty ineffective in the tourney. It can work if you have great guard play, but it your number 1 offensive option is the low post, then that's very easy to defend and eliminate.

Seriously, you are exhausting. Every team has embarrassing losses in the Tournament. That's why people love it, cause massive underdogs take down heavyweights every single year. We have had 2 really embarrassing losses in the last 6 tournaments, one that we should have won but we made it as far as we were projected to, 1 more year where we went as far as we should have and lost to the favorite, and 2 years where we exceeded expectations, including 1 which we were a prayer from a final 4. That isn't bad at all, no matter how you want to frame it.

We haven't played bully ball since 2015. It's what teams do when they are greatly outmatched in talent/athleticism. From 2012-2015 we certainly played that style though.

 

[johnboiler123]

Seriously, you are exhausting. Every team has embarrassing losses in the Tournament. That's why people love it, cause massive underdogs take down heavyweights every single year. We have had 2 really embarrassing losses in the last 6 tournaments, one that we should have won but we made it as far as we were projected to, 1 more year where we went as far as we should have and lost to the favorite, and 2 years where we exceeded expectations, including 1 which we were a prayer from a final 4. That isn't bad at all, no matter how you want to frame it.

We haven't played bully ball since 2015. It's what teams do when they are greatly outmatched in talent/athleticism. From 2012-2015 we certainly played that style though.

Do all teams have embarrassing losses in the tournament? Absolutely. But painter literally made history with his string of atrocious losses to double digit seeds. That’s a completely different level of tournament ineptitude than the world has ever been seen before.

 

[mathboy]

Do all teams have embarrassing losses in the tournament? Absolutely. But painter literally made history with his string of atrocious losses to double digit seeds. That’s a completely different level of tournament ineptitude than the world has ever been seen before.

You might look up Bobby Knight and Cleveland State, or Izzo and Middle Tennessee State (When MSU had the CPOY). Maybe look at Kentucky last year, or North Carolina, several times. You should do this perhaps before posting again. Just saying... I just hate to see Purdue fans (?) appear "inept" as you put it.

 

[johnboiler123]

You might look up Bobby Knight and Cleveland State, or Izzo and Middle Tennessee State (When MSU had the CPOY). Maybe look at Kentucky last year, or North Carolina, several times. You should do this perhaps before posting again. Just saying... I just hate to see Purdue fans (?) appear "inept" as you put it.

If you hate ineptitude then why do you post? You’re the poster child(key word child) for ineptitude. I literally acknowledged in my first sentence that other teams have bad losses, you moron.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Do all teams have embarrassing losses in the tournament? Absolutely. But painter literally made history with his string of atrocious losses to double digit seeds. That’s a completely different level of tournament ineptitude than the world has ever been seen before.

Wrong. Losing in the first round or not even making the tournament 3 years in a row is worse.

 

[northside100]

Wrong. Losing in the first round or not even making the tournament 3 years in a row is worse.

That would seem to make sense, but I’m not sure that everyone posting here agrees with you. A lot of embarrassment and hurt feelings around here

 

[johnboiler123]

Wrong. Losing in the first round or not even making the tournament 3 years in a row is worse.

I’m not even sure what you’re getting at? What was I wrong about?

 

[JRKinn]

Do all teams have embarrassing losses in the tournament? Absolutely. But painter literally made history with his string of atrocious losses to double digit seeds. That’s a completely different level of tournament ineptitude than the world has ever been seen before.

No ineptitude would be not making the tourney for a long period at a storied program. Making 4 of the last 6 sweet 16's is basically the opposite of ineptitude. Look at UK over the last 3 tourney's that you say is so bad. Missing the tourney completely or a first round exit to a 15 seed. All that at one of the historically best programs with top 5 recruiting classes each year.

You can go on and on with other streaks that are worse than Painters. It was 1 really historically bad loss, and it's fresh so I get peoples sentiment. Reality is that we got ranked #1 for the first time ever, then kept rank #1 for half a season, and got a 1 seed for the first time in 40 years. We look to be on that same vector this year, and hopefully our extremely young team from last year shakes off its jitters and performs well in the tourney this year.

 

[mathboy]

If you hate ineptitude then why do you post? You’re the poster child(key word child) for ineptitude. I literally acknowledged in my first sentence that other teams have bad losses, you moron.

Moron! How did you know? OMG! You must be a genius.
By the way, I think it is spelled “Maroon” around here.

 

[bonefish1]

You might look up Bobby Knight and Cleveland State, or Izzo and Middle Tennessee State (When MSU had the CPOY). Maybe look at Kentucky last year, or North Carolina, several times. You should do this perhaps before posting again. Just saying... I just hate to see Purdue fans (?) appear "inept" as you put it.

an outlier loss by a blue blood does not mean anything (especially if we're going to compare MSU, UK or UNC....we're not even in the same ballpark as them when it comes to the tourney), but when Painter has posted a disturbing trend of losses, that's cause for concern.

 

[johnboiler123]

No ineptitude would be not making the tourney for a long period at a storied program. Making 4 of the last 6 sweet 16's is basically the opposite of ineptitude. Look at UK over the last 3 tourney's that you say is so bad. Missing the tourney completely or a first round exit to a 15 seed. All that at one of the historically best programs with top 5 recruiting classes each year.

You can go on and on with other streaks that are worse than Painters. It was 1 really historically bad loss, and it's fresh so I get peoples sentiment. Reality is that we got ranked #1 for the first time ever, then kept rank #1 for half a season, and got a 1 seed for the first time in 40 years. We look to be on that same vector this year, and hopefully our extremely young team from last year shakes off its jitters and performs well in the tourney this year.

I said “tournament ineptitude”. I’m not talking about coaches who don’t make the tournament. Painter is a great regular season coach, can’t argue that. But he’s a deer in the headlights come tournament time. I think it’s mostly due to his post offense and recruiting way too many low tier athletes all on the same roster. It’s a recipe for disaster in march.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I said “tournament ineptitude”. I’m not talking about coaches who don’t make the tournament. Painter is a great regular season coach, can’t argue that. But he’s a deer in the headlights come tournament time. I think it’s mostly due to his post offense and recruiting way too many low tier athletes all on the same roster. It’s a recipe for disaster in march.

Making 4 out of the last 6 sweet sixteens is not “tournament ineptitude.”

 

[BoilerDeac]

Seriously, you are exhausting. Every team has embarrassing losses in the Tournament. That's why people love it, cause massive underdogs take down heavyweights every single year. We have had 2 really embarrassing losses in the last 6 tournaments, one that we should have won but we made it as far as we were projected to, 1 more year where we went as far as we should have and lost to the favorite, and 2 years where we exceeded expectations, including 1 which we were a prayer from a final 4. That isn't bad at all, no matter how you want to frame it.

We haven't played bully ball since 2015. It's what teams do when they are greatly outmatched in talent/athleticism. From 2012-2015 we certainly played that style though.

How many teams have multiple losses to double digit seeds, including a loss to a 16 seed?

Purdue. That’s it.

 

[BoilerDeac]

Making 4 out of the last 6 sweet sixteens is not “tournament ineptitude.”

You’re purposely ignoring all context within each of those tournaments.

 

[BoilerAndy]

How many teams have multiple losses to double digit seeds, including a loss to a 16 seed?

Purdue. That’s it.

RMK lost to multiple double digit seeds. It did not include a 16 seed, but the team and fans were just as humiliated each time. Doesn't matter if it's a 12 seed or a 16 seed. It's humiliating.

 

[Schnelk]

I took some folks off ignore to see why this is getting pissy. Big mistake. Back on they go. This thread is dead tired and worn out. I'm done with it.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

You’re purposely ignoring all context within each of those tournaments.

There is no context that makes 4 out of 6 sweet sixteens “inept” in any way shape or form.

 

[johnboiler123]

Making 4 out of the last 6 sweet sixteens is not “tournament ineptitude.”

losing to 3 double digit seeds in a row IS tournament ineptitude.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

losing to 3 double digit seeds in a row IS tournament ineptitude.

not when one of those losses is in the sweet sixteen.

 

[northside100]

not when one of those losses is in the sweet sixteen.

Sorry but that’s just dumb. Why would you count the wins in getting to the SS n measuring ineptitude? Doesn’t make sense.

 

[13thman]

RMK lost to multiple double digit seeds. It did not include a 16 seed, but the team and fans were just as humiliated each time. Doesn't matter if it's a 12 seed or a 16 seed. It's humiliating.

Winning 3 titles buys you capital

 

[bonefish1]

RMK lost to multiple double digit seeds. It did not include a 16 seed, but the team and fans were just as humiliated each time. Doesn't matter if it's a 12 seed or a 16 seed. It's humiliating.

Disagree. 12 upsetting 5 happens almost every year and is a popular brackets pool pick. A 1 losing to a 16 has only happened twice in the history of the tourney. By definition, it's a historically bad loss. Couple that with losses to a 15 and 13 in recent years and I'm not sure how anyone can say Painter is on an upward trend in the tourney.

 

[bonefish1]

I took some folks off ignore to see why this is getting pissy. Big mistake. Back on they go. This thread is dead tired and worn out. I'm done with it

This isn't an airport, no need to announce your departure.

 

[bonefish1]

There is no context that makes 4 out of 6 sweet sixteens “inept” in any way shape or form.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Painter has still only beaten 1 team that was seeded more than one spot higher? I know he's won some toss up 8/9 and I believe TN was a 3/2.
So, in that context, the inability to beat better teams while losing to very low seeded teams could fit into the ineptitude column.

 

[northside100]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Painter has still only beaten 1 team that was seeded more than one spot higher? I know he's won some toss up 8/9 and I believe TN was a 3/2.
So, in that context, the inability to beat better teams while losing to very low seeded teams could fit into the ineptitude column.

Why do you care about the seed? He’s been to a number of SS’s and only made it to one EE. I’d like to see him do better than that and could not care less who he beats or loses to in achieving that or failing to do so. Makes zero difference to me if he beats a 1 seed or 12 seed to get to a FF, equally thrilled either way. Loses to a 6 seed or 16 seed in the first weekend I’m disappointed either way, don’t care about the seed.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Painter has still only beaten 1 team that was seeded more than one spot higher?

No one cares about beating higher seeded teams. Should we tank 10-12 games so we can get an 11 seed this year?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I'm not sure how anyone can say Painter is on an upward trend in the tourney.

Making 4 out of the last 6 sweet sixteens would support that narrative.

 

[BoilerDeac]

not when one of those losses is in the sweet sixteen.

If you are a 20+ point favorite and lose, it's ineptitude, regardless of what round it comes in. Especially when that loss comes after multiple years of similar defeats.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

If you are a 20+ point favorite and lose, it's ineptitude, regardless of what round it comes in. Especially when that loss comes after multiple years of similar defeats.

Making the sweet sixteen is never “tournament ineptitude.”

 

[bonefish1]

Making the sweet sixteen is never “tournament ineptitude.”

Making a SS is nice, it's not really all that special. Why? Because Painter has gotten there with some consistency, he just has failed to get past it 5 out of 6 times.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Making a SS is nice, it's not really all that special. Why? Because Painter has gotten there with some consistency, he just has failed to get past it 5 out of 6 times.

None of that proves “tournament ineptitude.”