To recruit Malik Williams together.
Maybe this happens a lot, but I didn't even know that was legal.
Pretty cool move by Painter:
Maybe this happens a lot, but I didn't even know that was legal.
Pretty cool move by Painter:
Painter and Caleb in FW
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Malik is a must get. He can come off the bench behind Isaac his freshman year and then start his next three years here.
He could be that same compliment to Issac that AJ is now. He has similar athletic ability to AJ but much better coming out of high school than AJ was at the same point in his career. He would be a huge get for Purdue.
Yep, but I'd bet right now he's not plan A at the 5 spot.
I think Williams may end up a power forward instead of a center
All speculation certainly, but early indications are that Purdue is not in the lead for Williams, Scruggs, Jackson or Wilkes...all legit stud and national recruits, all "local" and any of which would be a tremendous get (and equally disappointing to not get, especially if they end up at IU or MSU, as IU is heavily involved with all of them and MSU is involved with Williams, along with Nojel Eastern (who Painter went to see last night in Evanston, IL).
So where was MP last night??? Fort Wayne or Evanston?? Can't be in two places at the same time.
On top of that, the backup center will most likely get close to starters minutes. I just don't see Isaac playing much more than 20 minutes. He gets tired and his defense becomes an even slower foul machine. Isaac is a force but his effectiveness seems to drop as he gets tired IMO.
What little I've seen ...and I admit it is just enough to see his physical tools somewhat...Malik will NOT be a 5. This kid in two years may be able to go 3 or 4 depending on the other players. I think he is 6'11" and agile...skinny, but agile and skilled for a youngster that size and age. I can't think of anyone in the state I wish would go to Purdue more...and from teh Purdue feeder system...Fort Wayne...except for a couple of players that went to IU years ago...
I knew Purdue may not have been a leader for the others, but always thought Purdue was who to beat for Williams. Not saying you are wrong...just saying I don't know and haven't heard that. the Fort has been berry....berry...berry good to Purdue over the years
Would be a really good get. Keion Brooks a freshman at North Side is also really good. I know CMP has already seen him play at least once
He's on the thin side, but I think he's bigger than Jajuan was as a freshman. Maybe that's why CS was there. To let him know you can be a big at Purdue and not play the 5. And yes, he's every bit of 6-11
Yes it has..........there has been a few that I would've liked to see at PU though, but maybe it was meant to be
It was my mistake...he was in Evanston on Thursday night to see Eastern and Fort Wayne last night...if he could be in two places at once, that might help the matter!
He may be bigger than Jajuan Johnson was? Matt is not going to play a person at a position according to his size...he will play that person according to his skill set and the skill sets the other players bring to the table and I know you know that...just clarifying for anyone that may not follow as much as you...
Not sure where DG10 got his info but he apparently should clue Painter and his staff in so they stop wasting their time on all the recruits he mentioned . Here is what I know which isn't much . # 1 Painter every year picks out his top target and he goes to watch him play the most . This year it is Malik Williams last year Caleb Swanigan followed Vince Edwards who followed Ronnie Johnson who followed Dawson . Yes he lost Branden Dawson but you can follow it back all the way to Etwaun Moore and Dawson is the only one he eventually lost . So I like our chances with Williams . Scruggs IMO we have cooled on him maybe we were wanting Joey Brunk more than Scruggs I'm not sure about that but its my way of thinking . Jaren Jackson JR was just at Purdue but Malik and he both play the 4 you could move Malik to the 3 and I believe Malik will play a stretch 4 or the 3 for whomever he chooses . I think Malik is the key to who we sign in 2017 if we sign him landing Wilkes or Jackson will be more difficult . If we sign Jackson or Wilkes signing Williams will be more difficult . We are all over the place with recruiting not just Indiana . I would have just read this thread and moved on except for the comment which put anyone ahead of Purdue for Williams . It is Laughable IMO . Also Painter didn't take Biggie to the Fort . The game was Homestead vs Snider and Biggie played for Homestead he has a personal reason to drive to Fort Wayne IMO he was watching the sideline more than the game LOL .
Thanks OB you are awesome! What about Tyler Zeller? Wouldn't he be a miss from the 2008 class?
The only thing laughable is the suggestion or notion that Purdue "may have cooled on Scruggs" or even remotely suggesting that Purdue "maybe wanted Brunk more".
I appreciate your insight and information that you shared, but if you genuinely are following things...personally or online...while it would be nice to suggest that Purdue leads for Williams, there sure seems to be a lot out there suggesting that MSU leads for Williams...in fact, I believe 247sports not only does not have Purdue as his leader (it has MSU), it has IU as his second school of choice and Purdue not even in his top 5...with MSU as not just his favorite, but a strong favorite). Maybe 247sports is not a valid site amongst the recruiting sites...I don't know that I have felt that way in the past, never mind they actually follow it for a living...but of the guys I had mentioned and that you followed up on, Purdue is not even in the mix (which I never stated) for any of them according to them.
Hopefully they are able to land one of those guys...I would agree that landing two is a tough proposition given that several play the same position...but it certainly would be disappointing to not land any of them (which is exactly what I had said in my initial post on the matter).
Always enjoy your post OB, but after Dawson CMP wanted Gary Harris, much more than RJ.
we didn't recruit Harris until he blew up his senior year despite his family ties and him attending every basketball camp from the age of 6 . We lost Harris because we were late to the dance IMO . Same can be said for Robinson .
247 does not have a Purdue writer since Eric left them. I have found them to be less than involved . I personally track recruiting rather than trying to figure out who is guessing right . No recruit says anything to these guys that means anything . Why would they ? I know a lot about Malik I guarantee 100 times more than 247 at a minimum . He follows me and I follow him as does three others of his close family members . And countless friends . But I have no clue where he will go I have never and would never ask him or suggest that he chose us . I can DM anytime and he will DM me back I only ask him about his stats and his brothers stats or if I want to know which tourney his AAU team will be competing in also his AAU coach follows me and I follow him . As does his AAU team , Team Legit . Here is what I base my opinions on if someone close to a player a teammate or relative tells me a Purdue coach was in to see him or he traveled to Purdue to me this says they have interest why would either waste their time ? I could write a book on how many times the coaching staff has been in to see Wilkes , Jackson , Williams and Scruggs both on the AAU circuit and high school levels . Last year Painter wore a path to Southport this year if he has gone no one has reported it this is why I say we have cooled and Brunk was a target last year . Recruiting is a business weather fans like it or not . Players are not kids they don't attend the Prom if their team has an AAU tourney they play . They eat sleep and socialize thru basketball . They have computer break downs on what every team that recruits them does or have done with kids of similar size and skills . I have sat thru many games with the Parents of players and never asked a single question about where a recruit was leaning . So I base my opinion on how much attention the Purdue coaching staff gives a player . A coach cannot comment on a recruit a recruit answers every question with a scripted answer " I like the coach " " They are a great school " " I am blessed to receive an offer " so where does these predictors get their info to say MSU is the leader ? Why would Painter continue to recruit a player he is not even in the top 5 with ? Maybe he didn't read the 247 article . I would caution anyone who thinks he knows what a 16 year old kid is going to do in the future . I have learned this the hard way .
I stand corrected he did go hard after Zeller as well .
That I would put a star next to since Tyler's dad had such an impact. That and Tyler I don't think has panned out...
I see our recruiting is falling into a pattern similar to after we landed the baby boilers.
2007: Baby Boilers
2008: John Hart / Lew Jack / Ryne Smith
2009: Bade / Byrd / Chooch / GDB
2015: Biggie / Cline / Weatherford
2016: Edwards
2017: TBD
Huge drop off. You would think that we would have momentum, but at this point, it doesn't look like it, and we are sliding back to the middle of the pack in the next couple years instead of securing our position near the top. Hope Painter can turn it around and get some commits with talent for 2017, as 2016 looks like it is the best it is going to be.
What big wouldn't want to come here with our talent to practice against? Haas has made AJ more consistent and better, you would think another big would want to show up next year to practice against Haas and Biggie and get some good minutes.
2007: Baby Boilers
2008: John Hart / Lew Jack / Ryne Smith
2009: Bade / Byrd / Chooch / GDB
2015: Biggie / Cline / Weatherford
2016: Edwards
2017: TBD
Huge drop off. You would think that we would have momentum, but at this point, it doesn't look like it, and we are sliding back to the middle of the pack in the next couple years instead of securing our position near the top. Hope Painter can turn it around and get some commits with talent for 2017, as 2016 looks like it is the best it is going to be.
What big wouldn't want to come here with our talent to practice against? Haas has made AJ more consistent and better, you would think another big would want to show up next year to practice against Haas and Biggie and get some good minutes.
2016 is an enigma because we don't necessarily NEED more than Edwards with who will be remaining. 2017 is a different story.
It absolutely is different for 2017...which is precisely the point that with 4 big-time national recruits that are local, it is fairly important for Purdue to land at least one of them seemingly...if you are trying to build/continue recruiting momentum...if you are trying to avoid what happened the last time your program had the benefit of being relevant nationally...if you are trying to take advantage of some pretty good talent on hand already and add to it so that the roster remains talented as guys graduate...and if you ultimately intend to be a nationally relevant program, then you HAVE to be able to have success in your state with guys that are nationally relevant recruits.
And all indications are that Edwards is a huge get.
I think this is one of the bigger "myths" around. First off, recruiting does reflect your current team. The "Baby Boilers" basically took up 3 different starting spots for 4 full years. That does not put you in an easy position for recruiting when playing time is often the #1 selling point.
Secondly, Purdue did get talent after the Baby Boilers. The next class featured a very good PG, which was 1 position not "part of" the Baby Boilers with Lewis Jackson. There's another starting spot gone - so basically 4 positions were "spoken for" for 3 years. Also in Lewis Jackson's class was Ryne Smith. Not an amazing recruit, but he was ranked #114 in the country, certainly not bad.
The next year, Purdue signed a 4 star recruit in DJ Byrd. Like him or not, Patrick Bade had offers from Butler and Iowa. Kelsey Barlow was a 3 star recruit who also had an offer from Xavier.
In 2010, the "Baby Boilers" senior year, we brought in 2 four star guards - one a PG and one SG - in Anthony Johnson and Terone Johnson - obviously to help fill the void coming. Anthony had offers from Illinois, Ohio State, Iowa, Marquette, etc. Terone was a top 50 recruit. Travis Carroll was an average recruit.
So in terms of the cycle of recruiting surrounding the Baby Boilers career, there WAS plenty of talent on that team. Where Painter struggled recruiting a replacement was obviously at the center position.
However, obviously a lot of the problem was not necessarily in regard to recruiting, I think Painter ran into a string of bad luck. You had a couple guys who did not fit in personality wise with Anthony Johnson and Kelsey Barlow. Then you had a couple very talented players who were hampered by injuries like DJ Byrd and Terone Johnson. It kinda makes me laugh when people say we never have good PG recruits - Terone Johnson was a top 50 player nationally - and was a PG. Just because they may not end up panning out for whatever reason (and I love Terone) doesn't mean they were never good recruits.
Recruiting in basketball is not very forgiving also. During this whole time, we were right there with many very good recruits, but didn't ultimately win those choices. A recruit can only pick 1 school and it doesn't matter if you finish 2nd. I think Painter also lost some really tight battles during this time that could have really moved the dial.
So was it our greatest recruiting period? Of course not. But the people that say he stopped recruiting, we didn't have any decent players come in, etc. is just not correct. Keep in mind even after the "Baby Boilers" were gone, and even though Robbie was there still - we were still a good team and made the NCAA Tournament. If Robbie wasn't there would we have? I don't know - maybe NIT, but it wouldn't have gone from NCAA Tournament team to losing record without him.
Agree. Wouldn't surprise me if he ended up starting at some point his first season.
How can you not start with the 14 class, which was an outstanding class followed up by another great 15 class. That's the big difference from the 07 class.
Doesn't fit his pattern --- pretend it didn't happen.
Neglecting to mention the 2014 class (Haas, Vince Edwards, Mathias, even P.J.) was conspicuous. Think the court time those guys will continue seeing had an effect on 2016 recruiting?
The 2014 class (A.J., Davis, R. and A. Johnson, Simpson) was no slouch either. Sure, neither Johnson panned out and Simpson had medical problems no one could have foreseen. Still ...
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