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Bad as they played having only one player on the team that can beat anyone off the dribble is a bigger problem. We are what we are. Will win a few big games when get hot from 3 but another early out of NCAA and celebrating close losses to good teams.
They have displayed the ability to play at a high level. They must do it from the start. The first half was a display of timid, unsure play, particularly in the front court. Can't continuously be coming from behind against the top 10 types of teams. I know the Ville is long but they have got to be strong, balanced, and aggressive to the rim. Soft first half.
Agreed OP. This will hurt us against the top tier teams who have athleticism and guards who can get to the basket. We miss AJH more than many are willing to admit. Far superior to Haas overall and especially on D and while Biggie is our best player and has improved mobility, it still is not a strength.
The problem with Haas is that the refs do not know how to call the game, because Haas is so strong. If he clutches the ball like a normal player with his elbows out, he gets called for an offensive foul. He has to keep his elbows in and every opp takes a swipe at the ball. If they hit his arm, he does not react like a normal player, so the ref does not call it. Watch the game last night. See the number of reach in fouls we got and Haas got what... 2? Jay Bilas made the point that Haas did not get fouled on one shot and yes they did not hit his right arm, BUT they were all over his left arm and yes on a smaller man the effects of the foul are seen more. However, it is a foul either way.
IMO, Haas is worried about fouls and therefore is not an aggressive rebounder. However, last night the refs were not calling rebounding fouls that much and a coach needs to alert Haas to be more aggressive. On a parallel note, it was laughable that they called Caleb on that offensive foul, where Louisville was that way all game long on O.
IMO, Haas is worried about fouls and therefore is not an aggressive rebounder. However, last night the refs were not calling rebounding fouls that much and a coach needs to alert Haas to be more aggressive. On a parallel note, it was laughable that they called Caleb on that offensive foul, where Louisville was that way all game long on O.
Quick physical play inside hurts Purdue whether it is Louisville or Butler...
A quicker player always hurts you, but you need to offset it according to how the refs are calling the play. If the refs are allowing them to hack you, then you have to be more physical. If the refs are calling it close, then you need to play less aggressively, but offset their quickness with more fakes when you have the ball and make sure you box out correctly, but forcefully on D.
refs are people and have bias as to how the game should be called..just like people. There interpretation is always at play. Quick digs that foul may be allowed by some adn not others. If the refs favor quick players over brute strength then quickness is more of a problem for the stronger players. If really physical play is allowed...even if slow shoving and such...then the stronger player benefits. Strong slow players don't become quick players no matter how they try. If the refs let boards go regardless of position, then quick jumpers have an advantage. You are right that players should attempt to adjust to different views by the refs, but sometimes that adjustment is not as good as preferred. Reffing was not a problem last night...timid play and lack of focus was. Not gonna turn it over (more Purdue than Louisville contributing) and shoot 25% in a given half and beat a good team on ESPN on their court...not gonna happen and Purdue turned it over and shot poorly as well
You are probably right, but I am a homer for Purdue and I thought the refs let the slapping on Haas go. A coach needs to tell Haas in this instance he has to go back to squaring his elbows to prevent it. It is MP's job to politely tell the refs, Haas will be squaring his elbows, because of the slapping. Once the refs call this against Haas, Haas has to be told to stop, but then MP has to tell the refs to call it both ways. I did not track, but IMO Purdue rallied at the end, because the refs started calling Louisville for the hacking. Like I said maybe I am wrong because I am prejudiced.
Exactly. We shot 35% to their 48% and turned it over 17 times to their 11. Tough to win under those circumstances. HOWEVER - we still had a shot at the end despite playing a pretty poor game. I don't see the sky falling. We just played a bad game.
my personality and personal belief is that a coach can help the refs with things. I have no problem with a coach having visual fire and making a point with refs...particularly early in a game. Matt does that...maybe not to the extent that others do, but he does it "some". Much of Haas ability was harmed when he got called for elbow to the head calls last year. If he was allowed to play as physical as years ago...quickness wouldn't be as big an issue...but the refs penalize slow moving people that are strong...partially because they can see those things in this fast game...
My theory is that they may have been so focused on not turning the ball over that they hesitated at every decision. In the end it probably caused more turnovers. The solution is confidence in your abilities and doing what you do best. I don't ever want to see finesse from Haas. Every shot should be power to the rim with the intent of taking contact and embracing it to create space. Carsen has the tools and the confidence. Needs to be very high minutes, only coming out for correction, then right back in to see if he learned anything. I think he's that good.
I was a back to the basket player, and a below the rim player. I scored when I learned to create contact that planted the better leapers to the floor and moved there arms enough that I could push the ball through the contact. Take the ball and your arms up their face, they will move their head back a little, usually, and anticipate their hands raking your hands and arms. Haas would get lots of and ones with a more assertive approach. His foot work disappeared last night too. Instead of knowing his move as the ball was coming to him he was catching and thinking about it. Too late. The D has already adjusted.
Sorry, I'm ranting.
No I agree with you. Stick their head in the basket with the ball! I have always thought Haas was not physical enough in his shooting although his posting may have been. I would prefer he go up and lean as you implied and try to dunk about everything reasonable...and he may if not this year...next?
All true and we are on the same page. Having 4 fouls is no fun, but in a game like that (where Haas only has what was it 2 fouls?) an accidental blow to the head sends a message to the refs and the ops to stop hacking him and this message does need to be reinforced by MP.
Refs don't like to be shown up by a coach BUT............... just once I'd like to see Matt launch his coat about 10 rows up a la Keady. Would definitely get some attention that might last more than a game or two.
Mathias made some drives to the basket last night. I doubt he would be able to finish those drives and score himself against teams like Lousville but he was able to move the defense and drop some dimes (i.e. get some assists, for the older crowd) in the process. Mathias and V. Edwards are capable of beating players off the dribble, so it's not just C. Edwards. C. Edwards is much better at it but those two are capable of it at times. The same goes for Swanigan if he has a true 5 D'ing him up in man.
I know that Mathias doesn't have a high-rate of scoring on drives but we've seen Vince do it at a decent clip in the past. Vince needs to get out of his rut and be tougher when he's trying to finish at the rim. They need to make those type of aggressive plays as much as possible, because it makes the Boilers' offense tougher to defend.
Let's hope so. The guy could be a monster against even the best post defenders.
The sideline behavior that was accepted twenty years ago is pretty much gone today. If Gene and Bobby took to the sidelines today as younger up and coming coaches today behaving as they did then, I'm not sure they would have any money left from all the fines and reprimands they would get today. It's a different society now. Now you see a bit more subtlety. Even Izzo, who wines incescently, tends to look away from refs when he is pissy, and makes his direct points with more of a smile or question approach.
I enjoyed Keady, but I don't think the style would work now.
Still would like to see it just one time!!! Maybe on a Thursday game for Throw Back Thursday!!!The sideline behavior that was accepted twenty years ago is pretty much gone today. If Gene and Bobby took to the sidelines today as younger up and coming coaches today behaving as they did then, I'm not sure they would have any money left from all the fines and reprimands they would get today. It's a different society now. Now you see a bit more subtlety. Even Izzo, who wines incescently, tends to look away from refs when he is pissy, and makes his direct points with more of a smile or question approach.
I enjoyed Keady, but I don't think the style would work now.
my problem is the attitude. I feel like our bigs always need to get ramped up, rather than taking them down. I would almost welcome seeing Haas hip check a guy into the first row on the first play just to set the tone. They are too scared of the refs. Just play hard. If you get shat on, that's life.
No, we cannot afford an early foul on Haas. However, if the refs are not calling fouls and Haas has 0 or 1 in the first half, then he can throw his weight around some more in the 2nd half until the refs call it both ways.
I say this at some point during every season.
On the telecasts, you don't always get to see CMP. However, I caught one last game, and he was as animated as I have seen this year on the non-goal-tending call against CE.
Of course we miss AJH. But he graduated and most of us have moved on. Complaining that Haas and Swanigan aren't AJH, and that others on this board haven't accepted it, is silly. We miss Glenn Robinson, too. So what? Haas and Biggie are still on this team. They and the coaches have to figure out how to maximize production from their size and skills.
Hasn't been a whole lot of optimism concerning a return, but the last I heard was that the earliest would be February, if at all, this year. I just wish the best for him, whether he plays again or not.
CMP has said he may be interested in a mid-season addition...whether that is a JUCO graduate or a possible graduate transfer. Either way, the team needs someone who can come in and just play solid post defense and rebound for about 3-5 minutes a game.
Semester hasn't ended yet. May not be allowed to comment on those players per NCAA guidelines.
