OU & Texas To The Big 10?

[BoilerInChiTown]

Probably very good for the Big 10 not so sure for a school like Purdue. What do you all think?

https://247sports.com/college/oklah...lahoma-Sooners-Texas-Longhorns-125965141/Amp/

 

[Knights2715]

I would have rather had them than Maryland and Buttgers

 

[Tommaker]

Texas will want to much. You would think they would have learned after the last ten years and their attempt to dominate and direct the B12..but they haven't.

 

[Purduemoe]

I saw Flugaur post this in a Twitter thread. I’ve followed realignment enough to know this rumor comes up every once in a while, Kent Sterling talked about it at one point too. Who knows if it’s real now.

 

[Cleanface]

Lots of my thoughts, and others, in this thread. OU, TX, TV deals, GORs, ACC schools vs Big 12 schools, ND, etc etc etc.

I used to be a conf expansion super junkie posting on 4-5 forums RE this topic regularly, but it's been a while, and seems too exhausting to get back into.

OU/TX has been rumored for a LONG time...thread from 2+ years ago...

https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/b1g-expansion-thought.106534/

I would have rather had them than Maryland and Buttgers

Derp

 

[pboiler18]

If it happened, we would likely get the shift to the other division....so not really in our best interest IMO.

 

[FirstDownB]

Not at all in the best interest of schools like Purdue. The conference titles will simply rotate among OSU, UM, UT, and OU. What is the goal here? To make a CFP appearance more attainable than a conference championship?

 

[KentuckyBoiler]

Texas has their own sports channel, so don’t why they would want to change or how that would work with BTN.

I would like to see Rondale go up against Texas though.

 

[Cleanface]

Texas has their own sports channel, so don’t why they would want to change or how that would work with BTN.

I would like to see Rondale go up against Texas though.

TX could/would forfeit BTN monies until their ESPN LHNetwork contract is up (late 2020s). After that time, they would join the rest of B1G with equals shares across the board. ESPN/BTN could work a deal on games and content, etc etc. I've read several options/scenarios that easily remedy the LHN issue.

The LHN WILL NOT keep TX from joining the B1G, or the B1G from wanting and adding TX (if that's even a possibility).

The BXII GOR was signed thru 2025, which IMO is the bigger obstacle right now, but even that can be voided if enough members vote to negate.

Lots more info in that old thread link above.

 

[njm8845]

Texas has their own sports channel, so don’t why they would want to change or how that would work with BTN.

Did you read the link? He addressed that LHN was not that large of an obstacle.

The really interesting thing is that it sounds like both B10 and ACC are trying to do away with divisions. That makes sense, because then the best two teams can play each other in the title game. Heck, we might even have a little four team playoff in the B10... that'd be pretty cool. I would really like to see the B10 go to a 10 game schedule. More teams against peer schools.... fewer against teams like BC or Mizzou.

 

[indyogb]

If it happened, we would likely get the shift to the other division....so not really in our best interest IMO.

I'm not sure further expansion is a good idea (I'd be down with trading Maryland and Rutgers for Texas and OU, any day, though ), but apparently the ACC and Big Ten are lobbying to eliminate the divisions:

"...the Big Ten, along with the ACC, will push for reform that would allow for one big conference, no divisions, and the ability to eliminate round-robin play, the source told Flugaur."

 

[purdueplayer]

The big ten needs to be left alone. Good lord, if we add any more what the hell is the point of having 2-3 giant conferences. Besides the money of cours.

 

[Wolegib]

another proposal that has been floated out there is to do away with the conference championship game, expand the play-offs to eight teams (5 conf champs, 3 wild cards) and to make the first round games be played at the home sites of the top 4 seeds.

in that manner, since the BIG is usually one of the top 4 teams, they would usually get a home game in the championship, and that revenue would replace the revenue from a conference championship. Similar to SEC. etc..

 

[ghostoffatjack]

So who goes with us to the East, B1G would have to break up the NW/Illini rivaly game as a protected one! Still think OU won't go without OSU and how would Nebraska feel with Texas, one of the main reasons they left, joining the B1G?

 

[pboiler18]

So who goes with us to the East, B1G would have to break up the NW/Illini rivaly game as a protected one! Still think OU won't go without OSU and how would Nebraska feel with Texas, one of the main reasons they left, joining the B1G?

Outside of $$$, none of it makes sense. You're taking 2 perennial contenders from a different conference and then throwing them into your mix. A stark contrast from the Neb/Rutgers/Maryland move.

At that point, why wouldn't a team like Purdue and others leave and band together with some of the BIG12 cast offs to create a conference to keep a Championship game bid.

 

[arcb102000]

Rutgers and Maryland were added so as to get the BTN into the media markets of metro NYC and DC. They were not there because if their sports history.

The Big12 will fight TX and OU leaving. They are the marquee members. Plus, the other members hate TX because TX has bullied the conference for years. Reminds you of ND and the ACC.

I do not see this at all.

 

[BoilerinPA]

Only if Keith Jackson can be resurrected to call the Oklahoma-Nebraska game!

 

[BoilerBulldog]

So who goes with us to the East, B1G would have to break up the NW/Illini rivaly game as a protected one! Still think OU won't go without OSU and how would Nebraska feel with Texas, one of the main reasons they left, joining the B1G?

I suspect there would be four pods of 4 before two divisions of 8. I would like a pod scenario although making them equally competitive is a challenge.

 

[Gemini95]

So who goes with us to the East, B1G would have to break up the NW/Illini rivaly game as a protected one! Still think OU won't go without OSU and how would Nebraska feel with Texas, one of the main reasons they left, joining the B1G?

Only 1 team would have to move to the east.
MD
Rut
PSU
OSU
UM
MSU
IU
Purdue

IL
NW
WISC
MN
Iowa
Neb
OU
Tex

 

[davebarrett]

So who goes with us to the East, B1G would have to break up the NW/Illini rivaly game as a protected one! Still think OU won't go without OSU and how would Nebraska feel with Texas, one of the main reasons they left, joining the B1G?

In this case, only one team would go to the East. 7 and 7 now. Transfer one from the West gives them 6, and adding OU and Texas would put them at 8, matching what the East would then have.

If according to the article is correct and they are looking to get rid of divisions, I would be for that rather than two 8 team divisions. That, or what BoilerBulldog states in which there would be four pods of 4.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

Yup poor math on my part! Guess one of the teams will have to be West Virginia to keep us in the West! As I said I don't see OU leaving OSU behind but I could be wrong!

 

[Boilermaker]

Yup poor math on my part! Guess one of the teams will have to be West Virginia to keep us in the West! As I said I don't see OU leaving OSU behind but I could be wrong!

What prevents OU vs. OSU as an out of conference game every year? Not exactly the same, but akin to PU vs. IU as a protected cross-division rivalry game.

I moved to south side of OKC (5 miles from Norman) from Indy two years ago and from what I’ve seen and experienced here it would be a great add to the B1G 10 to have OU and Texas, though I doubt it happens.

 

[njm8845]

Only 1 team would have to move to the east.
MD
Rut
PSU
OSU
UM
MSU
IU
Purdue

IL
NW
WISC
MN
Iowa
Neb
OU
Tex

Guys... how do you not read the link.

If this happens, it’s almost certain Delaney and ACC get their way to do away with divisions.

I just hope they move to a 10 game conference slate and have two protected rivalries for each team.

 

[njm8845]

The Big12 will fight TX and OU leaving. They are the marquee members. Plus, the other members hate TX because TX has bullied the conference for years.

These sentences seem contradictory.

I think certain schools despised texas’ power. I also think that those schools have fled the conference (most notably A&M and Nebraska).

Many of the schools left over don’t hate the power of Texas, rather, they need it to survive (TCU, TT, Baylor, ISU, etc)

But this seems like a long shot to me too.

 

[Gemini95]

Guys... how do you not read the link.

If this happens, it’s almost certain Delaney and ACC get their way to do away with divisions.

I just hope they move to a 10 game conference slate and have two protected rivalries for each team.

My post was only addressing how many teams would have to move to keep divisions even, not what would actually happen.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

Two, four or six... 4 - fours, 2- nines or 4- fives/ 2-tens, questions remains if this potential B1G expansion are money driven, academically driven, football driven or all sports driven....

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Texas has their own sports channel, so don’t why they would want to change or how that would work with BTN.

I would like to see Rondale go up against Texas though.

It’s kept afloat by ESPN massively. I’m sure if the B1G came calling, ESPN would dump it and they could sell everything to BTN and use the equipment there for games at UT and OU.

 

[RDUBoiler]

Only if Keith Jackson can be resurrected to call the Oklahoma-Nebraska game!

I grew up in Georgia and his calls of the Georgia-Florida game were sublime.

 

[Bob Sienicki]

Alas, this is my tin foil hat moment!

I think where all of this may eventually be headed, is NOT just 4 super conferences with 16 teams apiece, although that in itself would create a massive realignment and drastically up the ante for TV broadcast rights.

No, we're talking the end of the ncaa as we know it.

If we eventually go to 4 super conferences - the B1G, SEC, ACC, and the PAC16, all it would take would be one big meeting between those four, and the ncaa would be forever relegated to controlling every other college left out in the cold (hear that, Swarbrick???)

The Big Four conferences would be able to determine their own rules, such as paying players, in game rule changes, player eligibility issues, recruiting and/or player draft rules (for colleges), revenue sharing, you name it. And the ncaa could do absolutely nothing about it other than stand in the corner shivering and peeing down their pant legs.

The Big Four would control all TV rights, scheduling, and whether they want a full blown playoff scenario, and the ncaa would simply be forced to live with it. In a lot of ways, this would become the nfl development league with member colleges and universities partnering to share revenue to subsidize their out-of-control budgets in return for use of their stadiums and brands.

Wild, huh?

And if you think this has not already been discussed over the past few years, you are not paying attention!

Like it or not, major college athletics are just about ready to take the next giant step into the future. So buckle your seat belts and enjoy the ride!

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Alas, this is my tin foil hat moment!

I think where all of this may eventually be headed, is NOT just 4 super conferences with 16 teams apiece, although that in itself would create a massive realignment and drastically up the ante for TV broadcast rights.

No, we're talking the end of the ncaa as we know it.

If we eventually go to 4 super conferences - the B1G, SEC, ACC, and the PAC16, all it would take would be one big meeting between those four, and the ncaa would be forever relegated to controlling every other college left out in the cold (hear that, Swarbrick???)

The Big Four conferences would be able to determine their own rules, such as paying players, in game rule changes, player eligibility issues, recruiting and/or player draft rules (for colleges), revenue sharing, you name it. And the ncaa could do absolutely nothing about it other than stand in the corner shivering and peeing down their pant legs.

The Big Four would control all TV rights, scheduling, and whether they want a full blown playoff scenario, and the ncaa would simply be forced to live with it. In a lot of ways, this would become the nfl development league with member colleges and universities partnering to share revenue to subsidize their out-of-control budgets in return for use of their stadiums and brands.

Wild, huh?

And if you think this has not already been discussed over the past few years, you are not paying attention!

Like it or not, major college athletics are just about ready to take the next giant step into the future. So buckle your seat belts and enjoy the ride!

Tend to agree with your thoughts here. The only way the NCAA salvaged itself is to go to how they structure the baseball guidelines for entering the MLB for all sports to reduce those issues or they’ll have to go to a pay model.

Likely will see a combination of the two where players are able to use their likenesses for profit. I still think they could place the money in to an investment or 410k type of account the player can petition to gain access to for necessities the university doesn’t supply (travel home, rent, family emergency, etc). A percentage though is taken from that to help fund the other scholarship athletes to close the obvious gaps that would occur for, say....major players being able to go sign stuff for $5 a pop at an event or getting paid $3k to run a camp at a high school.

 

[Cleanface]

Alas, this is my tin foil hat moment!

I think where all of this may eventually be headed, is NOT just 4 super conferences with 16 teams apiece, although that in itself would create a massive realignment and drastically up the ante for TV broadcast rights.

No, we're talking the end of the ncaa as we know it.

If we eventually go to 4 super conferences - the B1G, SEC, ACC, and the PAC16, all it would take would be one big meeting between those four, and the ncaa would be forever relegated to controlling every other college left out in the cold (hear that, Swarbrick???)

The Big Four conferences would be able to determine their own rules, such as paying players, in game rule changes, player eligibility issues, recruiting and/or player draft rules (for colleges), revenue sharing, you name it. And the ncaa could do absolutely nothing about it other than stand in the corner shivering and peeing down their pant legs.

The Big Four would control all TV rights, scheduling, and whether they want a full blown playoff scenario, and the ncaa would simply be forced to live with it. In a lot of ways, this would become the nfl development league with member colleges and universities partnering to share revenue to subsidize their out-of-control budgets in return for use of their stadiums and brands.

Wild, huh?

And if you think this has not already been discussed over the past few years, you are not paying attention!

Like it or not, major college athletics are just about ready to take the next giant step into the future. So buckle your seat belts and enjoy the ride!

Yes, Jim Delany has been talking about the "Autonomy" of the Power 5 Conferences since 2014 (or even earlier). aka The P5 working outside of the NCAA, on their own terms...

https://www.omaha.com/huskers/commi...cle_886e8357-1466-5758-9ddd-38c11efa8908.html

P4?? Sure.

I still think there will be a viable 5th conf even if the whole of (let's say) the BXII go elsewhere. For arguments sake let's say;

OU and TX go B1G (16)
KU and OKST go SEC (16)
WVU and ND go full ACC (16)
TXTech, TCU, BAY, KSU, IAST + New Mexico go PAC (18 // I have a hard time believing the liberal PAC would want Christian private schools of TCU and BAY, but let's pretend. They could add Boise St., Air Force, UNLV, Hawaii, SDSU, Nevada, New Mex or New Mex St., or even Houston for more TX presence in place of BAY/TCU etc etc)

The potential leftovers; UConn, Cincy, TCU, Baylor, UCF, Houston, Memphis, South Florida, Navy, Boise etc etc could be a viable 5th, although they might just be left out all together.

 

[BoilerBiker]

always thought of clemson and florida st more as Sec than Acc.

seems like Sec would fight for them more, especially if UT and OU would go big ten (?).
but then clemson, fsu might surrender their big dog status in Acc.

 

[Cleanface]

always thought of clemson and florida st more as Sec than Acc.

seems like Sec would fight for them more, especially if UT and OU would go big ten (?).
but then clemson, fsu might surrender their big dog status in Acc.

Nobody is leaving the ACC. They are all locked into 20 year GOR. Read that thread I linked several posts up. It's got lots of good info.

Two, four or six... 4 - fours, 2- nines or 4- fives/ 2-tens, questions remains if this potential B1G expansion are money driven, academically driven, football driven or all sports driven....

TX and OU bring all of the above. OU academics are on par with Kansas and NEB. All of our adds have brought, and will bring, massive value. We don't add if they don't (see: new FOX deal that's the biggest in all College Sports)

 

[Gemini95]

always thought of clemson and florida st more as Sec than Acc.

seems like Sec would fight for them more, especially if UT and OU would go big ten (?).
but then clemson, fsu might surrender their big dog status in Acc.

South Carolina and Florida do not want Clemson and FSU in the SEC

 

[chiboiler7]

Not at all in the best interest of schools like Purdue. The conference titles will simply rotate among OSU, UM, UT, and OU. What is the goal here? To make a CFP appearance more attainable than a conference championship?

Goal is $.

Might as well throw in Notre Dame and USC as well. Make as much money as possible. I mean why not?

 

[BoilerBiker]

South Carolina and Florida do not want Clemson and FSU in the SEC

its interesting how some schools/states want to be separate, and others have almost always been together