OT: Purdue Admissions
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If this is true, it looks like Purdue is reverting back to the pre-Daniels practice of preferentially accepting out-of-state students over in-state students. The university get about 2X tuition from out-of-state students. I am also hearing that Indiana kids are not getting dorm rooms.
It's good to expose this.
Expose what, exactly? That Purdue’s instate enrollment went UP 29% from 2014 to 2021?
The chart indeed shows the highest number of in state folks enrolled during that time period was the most recent data point ?
When there is even a hint of competition , a public state-supported university should be mandated to take the in-state kid….
And I say this as an OOS student when I attended Purdue.
Too many of the top shelf public schools here in the East are addicted to OOS tuition as a means to fatten their coffers, to the detriment of families whose taxes make public higher education possible!
And I say this as an OOS student when I attended Purdue.
Too many of the top shelf public schools here in the East are addicted to OOS tuition as a means to fatten their coffers, to the detriment of families whose taxes make public higher education possible!
We are going through the college admissions process at our house right now with our oldest daughter. I will say that Purdue does not favor legacies. She has an impressive HS resume/transcript/ACT score and applied to 8 schools for engineering. The only school she was rejected from was Purdue. My wife and I are both alumni and we have been JPC and School of Engineering donors for years. We are not upset because she had zero intention of going to Purdue because Purdue cannot offer warm weather 12 months of the year. Some schools (e.g. Clemson, SC, TN) have seen 20-50% increases in applicants this year and are getting more difficult to gain admission.
It must have to do with the School they are applying to? I live in Indiana, and all of my kids, as well as all of their friends that applied, got in, to a variety of schools. (Krannert, Nursing, Exploratory Studies, Actuarial Science, SLA, CS etc)
I was Purdue Engineering from out of state and was pretty surprised I got in. I had above average grades and some decent extracurriculars, but I actually applied after the deadline (and the only real reason was because a girl I had a crush on said she was going).
So I applied post deadline from out of state and got in. After Freshman engineering and seeing all the students who got weeded out, I started to develop a theory that Purdue was accepting out of state engineering students at a lower bar than they should, with the expectation that they would not make it through Freshman year. But by then they would have made friends and liked the school, so they would likely stay at Purdue and transfer to an easier major. Could have been a way to funnel more out of state students overall because nobody is applying out of state for many majors that would be just as good at their local state school.
Never had any real evidence for that, just a hunch.
So I applied post deadline from out of state and got in. After Freshman engineering and seeing all the students who got weeded out, I started to develop a theory that Purdue was accepting out of state engineering students at a lower bar than they should, with the expectation that they would not make it through Freshman year. But by then they would have made friends and liked the school, so they would likely stay at Purdue and transfer to an easier major. Could have been a way to funnel more out of state students overall because nobody is applying out of state for many majors that would be just as good at their local state school.
Never had any real evidence for that, just a hunch.
State schools receive substantially more tuition from out of state students, so they don't give very much preferential treatment to in-state students. Therefore, 49 states worth of future engineers are competing for the slots along with Indiana kids. There must be some preferential treatment to the in-state kids or else the kids from the other 49 states would be the majority.
There is a routinely an available price reduction for out of state kids if they are strong applicants, but not a price reduction that brings them down to in-state prices - just enough to incentivize them to shun their (usually cheaper) home state options.
There is a routinely an available price reduction for out of state kids if they are strong applicants, but not a price reduction that brings them down to in-state prices - just enough to incentivize them to shun their (usually cheaper) home state options.
There are not many good things about living in Illinois; I am counting the days…
But, when it comes to your child wanting to go out of state to a state school, the financial hit is not as hard as if we lived in IN. U of I’s in-state tuition is significantly more as compared to other states. So, going out of state is not as big of a delta. IN residents have a great thing going with the in-state costs of going to Purdue.
But, when it comes to your child wanting to go out of state to a state school, the financial hit is not as hard as if we lived in IN. U of I’s in-state tuition is significantly more as compared to other states. So, going out of state is not as big of a delta. IN residents have a great thing going with the in-state costs of going to Purdue.
I could very well be wrong and admittedly do not know enough about it other than am aware it's been a hotly debated topic. On the old KHC, this would come up from time to time.
When is the timeframe of the increase of out of state and international? This article is from 2018 so might be a bit out dated? Again, I don't know a whole lot about it and when this was discussed on KHC in the past, often just skimmed through
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What I don’t get is why McCormick is singling out Purdue, when IU and Purdue have both been hovering around 50/50 instate/out of state.
I can second this. We lived in Illinois when my oldest went to college. U of I in state was very similar to out of state schools he was looking at. Residents of Indiana have very affordable choices (compared to other states).
My granddaughter was accepted 2 years ago(excellent in state student). My grandson was just accepted last month(excellent in state student). Both were accepted at numerous schools but always wanted Purdue(majors) Purdue is a bargain for quality and cost.
I think if you have a pulse you can get in on a undecided major (personal experience here). Then once in you can transfer to your major field of study? The idea being you can take all your electives that first two semesters and then get into core your sophomore year.
They used to do the old "Take a look to the person to your left, take a look at the person to your right" for the freshmen orientation. Knowing the wash out rate means you should be able to find a spot in the "full" majors after that first year. It may add a year to your education process. Not that I had any issues with that.
They used to do the old "Take a look to the person to your left, take a look at the person to your right" for the freshmen orientation. Knowing the wash out rate means you should be able to find a spot in the "full" majors after that first year. It may add a year to your education process. Not that I had any issues with that.
Only difference might be in a couple of majors. Pre Pharmacy and Pre VetI think if you have a pulse you can get in on a undecided major (personal experience here). Then once in you can transfer to your major field of study? The idea being you can take all your electives that first two semesters and then get into core your sophomore year.
They used to do the old "Take a look to the person to your left, take a look at the person to your right" for the freshmen orientation. Knowing the wash out rate means you should be able to find a spot in the "full" majors after that first year. It may add a year to your education process. Not that I had any issues with that.
45 years ago you could get in to Freshman Engineering, for example, but you had to have a certain gpa to get into one of the Engineering Schools. I don’t know how Pharmacy and Pre Vet worked.
A lot of Freshman Engineers ended up Management Majors!
Yeah, read her twitter a bit..lost a few IQ points
i had forgotten how high in state percentage used to be, dating farther back
1995 Purdue - 75% in state freshman
2000 Purdue - 68%
2005 Purdue - 66%
2010 Purdue - 59%
2022 Purdue - 46%
(2022 Indiana - 52%)
1995 Purdue - 75% in state freshman
2000 Purdue - 68%
2005 Purdue - 66%
2010 Purdue - 59%
2022 Purdue - 46%
(2022 Indiana - 52%)
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Be interesting to see how many in state students were available to apply in 1995 versus 2022. So I checked it!
in 2000, 618K, 2021, 658K. I also wonder what percentage of in state students are now getting their degree online.In Pre Pharmacy and Pre Vet you take two years of required courses. If your grades are high enough they then do personal interviews to select candidates for Pharmacy and Veterinary medicine. If accepted you then have 4 more years of study. Two very tough programs and Purdue is top ten in the nation in both. My granddaughter is in Pre Pharmacy and just had her interviews.
Here is one for you. College friend in Pre Vet goes 2 yrs...no luck. 3 yrs...no luck. Grads with animal science degree...no luck getting into Vet School. B+ average and I think they had just upped the admissions from 67 to 72 or such. Girlfriend in Pre Vet all that time with similar average...no luck for her either. He is from New Jersey and she from Ohio and so they decide to see if Ohio State is easier to get in since she was from Ohio. Thought if she can get in, then maybe she can get him in?
They go to OSU and then split up and he gets a masters in something from OSU...maybe animal science? He takes a job working for a meat packing company in Michigan and moves on to New York selling commodities. He has a 24 year old friend die in his arms and decides too much stress. Utica College fires president and new president brings in his people. He hires an assistant to the old president that lost her job to work for him and recirculates his resume with updated scores and is NOW accepted to all 5 schools he wanted.
I don't know any of this at the time, but get a phone call from him and he said he was at Purdue. I asked what he was doing there and he said he retired and for me to come over and he would tell me all about it. Joe...could have done a lot of ways to make money and none would have surprised me. So I went over the next day and he told me what I just wrote and he was at Purdue and going to see others to see who would give him the best deal. Today he is a vet and married to a judge. Life sure has some funny turns... He was one of those nude runners at the Quad years ago for $20
Hopefully she works with when she can a Vet from Purdue as a reference...
That's a shocking change. I was a grad student at Purdue from 1995-2000 and remember the vast majority of my students that I taught being from Indiana (other than quite a few students from overseas) and most of those being from the Chicago suburbs.
Yes it is tough if after two years you don't qualify. I knew lots of students when I was there in pre-vet. Most ended up with animal science degrees in a similar scenario to what you described.
Well, if you have to explain to her what the graph is trying to show, she mustn’t be too bright.
Read the tweet you posted again. Then read my response to your question again. It isn't that complicated.
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