Just an observation ... I have LIKED far more posts in the past two weeks than probably in the past year. No comment on why ... to each his own opinion. Just an observation ..
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Ha - now that was enlightening! ... BTW, my son and I have some nice bullies, we lay low, but enjoy their personalities a lot. five are rescues, one from Miami and one from Detroit. He has two pups with strong Gotti and something else lines ... they're both about 6 months old.
I've been into APBTs for about 25 years or so.........they are not for everyone, but they are the only breed I will own. And I'm talking about ornery, ornery dogs LOL. Like I said, not everyone's cup of tea, and unfortunately a lot of people can't get that thru their heads.....and have f*cked up the breed. I'm into the OFRN (Old Family Red Nose pit bulls).....none truer, but you have to know where to look. I like Bullies too, but they have to be bred correctly. Here is one of my boys..........
This is Rooster(48lbs)...............dynamite!
Charles Bronson in Hard Times comes to mind.I've been into APBTs for about 25 years or so.........they are not for everyone, but they are the only breed I will own. And I'm talking about ornery, ornery dogs LOL. Like I said, not everyone's cup of tea, and unfortunately a lot of people can't get that thru their heads.....and have f*cked up the breed. I'm into the OFRN (Old Family Red Nose pit bulls).....none truer, but you have to know where to look. I like Bullies too, but they have to be bred correctly. Here is one of my boys..........
This is Rooster(48lbs)...............dynamite!
Rooster is a great looking dog.
I love dogs and the bigger and more bad ass the better. I have spent some time around pits in the past and never felt uncomfortable. Have any of your dogs shown unpredictable behavior? Like you here about all the time. I had a male German Shepard that was about 90 lbs at his peak. he was special and the best dog I have ever had.I've been into APBTs for about 25 years or so.........they are not for everyone, but they are the only breed I will own. And I'm talking about ornery, ornery dogs LOL. Like I said, not everyone's cup of tea, and unfortunately a lot of people can't get that thru their heads.....and have f*cked up the breed. I'm into the OFRN (Old Family Red Nose pit bulls).....none truer, but you have to know where to look. I like Bullies too, but they have to be bred correctly. Here is one of my boys..........
This is Rooster(48lbs)...............dynamite!
I'll reply for mine. We have ten at our house. The only time we separate them is when an un-spade female is in heat. None have EVER been aggressive toward a human. We have cats, no problem. We rarely use a cage, we only own two. We have doggy doors into two different buildings and about 1/2 acre fenced with a divider down the middle if we want to separate into groups. We rarely do. We have different ways to keep them both physically and mentally active. I would never have more than one or two if I wasn't retired. We have a bowl for each dog and they honor that. They do compete in tugs-of-war and other hard play, but never get mean. We've had four or more for over five years. They are a pack animal and establishing yourself and your wife as Alpha is critical. They aree not for everyone, as has been clearly shown by many bad owners. They are easy to train and are totally loyal to YOU. By far the most loving and FUN dogs I've had. Ours range from 45 to 95 (an Amer Bull dog, not a pit). In answer to your question, no, never a shift in behavior other than the first hour or two when a new dog is introduced to the pack. We need to limit how many are around and gradually add more over time. Too much competition for attention at the very first meeting.
Breading is the key with any dog. If they are bread correctly by a reputable breeder any dog can be great. I am also a huge believer in how they are treated as a puppy can make a huge difference in the adult dogs behavior.
I totally agree about the puppy stage. They learn to llke/love - or not. To run and hide or to just be. We have 5 rescues and they all react differently when I watch PU dunk it. Two run and hide when I take a gun out of it's case. One still trusts my wife more than me - he was only interested in being around her for the first six months.
I've had a few incidents. Unpredictable? In hindsight, I should have recognized a cue....a look given from one dog to another. But I wasn't quite quick enough, and we all shed some blood that day LOL. "Never trust a bulldog (aka pit bull)" is a good motto to live by. They were bred for one thing, and one thing only. This is what many don't understand......and their misunderstanding makes the front page news unfortunately. I don't care how watered down this breed has gotten over time, when that switch turns on......it's game time, and they are a handful. I won't touch the nature vs nurture theories........but I do think each plays a part in the dog's behavior. Genetics, bloodlines, are tantamount. Some of the old time dogmen can talk about pedigrees and bloodlines all day long.........very rich, proud history with these pit dogs. And their history, contrary to many thoughts, didn't start in some Detroit back alley by a bunch of thugs.......not even close. Those are the people that have ruined the breed, by breeding the hell out of these dogs without any direction, and for money only. I'm amazed at the prices being asked for these genetic nightmares......shameful. These poor dogs have all kinds of structural problems, and many are in the 90-100 lb range (not APBTs anymore). Some of the greatest APBTs of all time never got out of the 40lb range! Now, I do own a 63lb dog currently, but he is a freak and could probably pull a house off its foundation. But that's another story!
BTW, I have always been, and will always be DEADLY scared of GSDs........ Ha Ha!!!
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Well said. There are far too mnay incidents around here that are pit bulls. But hell, if you don't feed them for a week and let them run wild in a pack, there is a good chance they may go after two joggers. The trait that is always brought up is what some call "game." The fact they they simply won't ever give up. On the other hand, loyalty and love is over the moon. Spanky and Our gang, Gne'l Patton, Target, and now many police forces.I've had a few incidents. Unpredictable? In hindsight, I should have recognized a cue....a look given from one dog to another. But I wasn't quite quick enough, and we all shed some blood that day LOL. "Never trust a bulldog (aka pit bull)" is a good motto to live by. They were bred for one thing, and one thing only. This is what many don't understand......and their misunderstanding makes the front page news unfortunately. I don't care how watered down this breed has gotten over time, when that switch turns on......it's game time, and they are a handful. I won't touch the nature vs nurture theories........but I do think each plays a part in the dog's behavior. Genetics, bloodlines, are tantamount. Some of the old time dogmen can talk about pedigrees and bloodlines all day long.........very rich, proud history with these pit dogs. And their history, contrary to many thoughts, didn't start in some Detroit back alley by a bunch of thugs.......not even close. Those are the people that have ruined the breed, by breeding the hell out of these dogs without any direction, and for money only. I'm amazed at the prices being asked for these genetic nightmares......shameful. These poor dogs have all kinds of structural problems, and many are in the 90-100 lb range (not APBTs anymore). Some of the greatest APBTs of all time never got out of the 40lb range! Now, I do own a 63lb dog currently, but he is a freak and could probably pull a house off its foundation. But that's another story!
BTW, I have always been, and will always be DEADLY scared of GSDs........ Ha Ha!!!
Your comment on recognizing a cue is worth a million words. We watch different aspects of each dog. The hackles on one, the tail on another, the eyes on another. And we know their triggers. A new person who will scratch their bellies - but only one at a time, a pig ear that one is still eating when another is finished, three of them doing tug of war instead of two.
On the other hand, none of ours has ever not let a baby ride them, pull on their ears ... but we still are incredibly watchful and very minimizing of interaction with young kids.
We just felt that the breed got a bad rap and wanted to help a few dogs in bad situationss. So we took in 5 rescues. We've NEVER regretted it, but we had the time, the space and the understanding to do it.
Well darnit, I wasn't even going to mention the "G" word.......bravo! Didn't think anyone would care to hear about, or understand, the one word that describes the difference between APBTs and other dogs. Other dogs may bite harder, may be bigger, just as ornery........but only one dog truly possesses gameness. The will to win, or die trying. And that is the difference in a nut shell.......
BTW, although I may value a APBT with pedigree/bloodlines to match......... I respect the hell out of anyone who takes in rescues with the understanding you do. Those dogs need good homes.
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I’ve got an 80lb German/Malinois cross. She’s a great dog. Damn smart and flat out fearless. She’s also sweet as can be with people and kids.
I’m finding that I like the working dogs.
Rooster is a beauty! Not intimidating at all!I've been into APBTs for about 25 years or so.........they are not for everyone, but they are the only breed I will own. And I'm talking about ornery, ornery dogs LOL. Like I said, not everyone's cup of tea, and unfortunately a lot of people can't get that thru their heads.....and have f*cked up the breed. I'm into the OFRN (Old Family Red Nose pit bulls).....none truer, but you have to know where to look. I like Bullies too, but they have to be bred correctly. Here is one of my boys..........
This is Rooster(48lbs)...............dynamite!
I had two a male and female. The male was big for a Shepard. 89 pounds at three years old. He was almost human like with his intelagence Very much knew when to be lovey dovey and also knew when it was time to be protective. Would let my 18 month old baby climb on him and pull his eyers and he would just look at me. He knew.
He was the Alfa dog and I never encountered another dog that did not know it.
A big raccoon got caught in our back yard. I think it was sick and was acting strange. With my wife crying her eyes out telling me I had to do something I watched that dog back the coon down, never getting close enough to get bit, until the coon lost focus for a second. The dog killed it with one strike. I don't want to sound morbid but it was amazing to me. The dog knew it was a problem and he took care of it.
Btw he listend to my every word and I could call him off. Not that night. He would not leave that coon.
Back to the female. She was great with my wife and I but did not case for my baby son. She showed her teeth to him and sadley I had to find her a new home.
This is a very reasoned explanation. There is a strong genetic component to behavior of dog breeds. If you have huskies or dogs bred for pulling sleds, they go nuts with the first snowfall. And it is more difficult, compared to other breeds, to train them to walk on a leash without dragging you down the street. People have favorite breeds because they like the "personality" that is bred into them.I've had a few incidents. Unpredictable? In hindsight, I should have recognized a cue....a look given from one dog to another. But I wasn't quite quick enough, and we all shed some blood that day LOL. "Never trust a bulldog (aka pit bull)" is a good motto to live by. They were bred for one thing, and one thing only. This is what many don't understand......and their misunderstanding makes the front page news unfortunately. I don't care how watered down this breed has gotten over time, when that switch turns on......it's game time, and they are a handful. I won't touch the nature vs nurture theories........but I do think each plays a part in the dog's behavior. Genetics, bloodlines, are tantamount. Some of the old time dogmen can talk about pedigrees and bloodlines all day long.........very rich, proud history with these pit dogs. And their history, contrary to many thoughts, didn't start in some Detroit back alley by a bunch of thugs.......not even close. Those are the people that have ruined the breed, by breeding the hell out of these dogs without any direction, and for money only. I'm amazed at the prices being asked for these genetic nightmares......shameful. These poor dogs have all kinds of structural problems, and many are in the 90-100 lb range (not APBTs anymore). Some of the greatest APBTs of all time never got out of the 40lb range! Now, I do own a 63lb dog currently, but he is a freak and could probably pull a house off its foundation. But that's another story!
BTW, I have always been, and will always be DEADLY scared of GSDs........ Ha Ha!!!
