OT: B1G hockey
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We don't care about Notre Dame on this board in football or basketball, even less about hockey.
When the big alignment comes down, and you see 4 mega conferences of 16 teams each, I believe you could still envision Notre Dame as a possibility to switch and join the BIG 10. I could see 4 conferences evolving out of the SEC, ACC, PAC 10 and BIG 10. In saying that, I see OK and Texas as greater possibilities.
Oh, believe me, I detest nd as much as anyone. I was on the B1G website earlier and saw Hockey rankings and nd was listed. That’s the reason for my question.
At first I thought ND meant North Dakota, which I would actually prefer.
Whether you like nd or not, you have to hand it to their Ad. He sure knows how to max out the generated revenues for their athletic teams.
North Dakota would be a great addition to Big Ten hockey as was Notre Dame. Illinois and Rutgers would be excellent additions to the Big Ten hockey conference and college hockey as a whole.
As a resident of South Bend, I don’t see them joining the BIG just because the caliber of what I like to call the “East Coast Sports” ie Field Hockey, LAX and Soccer.
There is a way higher level of competition in those sports compared to the BIG. How many BIG schools even have D1 LAX?
If conference realignment ever occurs, leave ND at the door. They burned multiple chances over the last 20-30 years to join the B1G. If it were to go to 4 super conferences and likely the Big 12 being shuttered, my guess is that Kansas and KSU would want to stick together along with OK and Okie St. The biggest fish would obviously be Texas but they just feel like they would want to either join the SEC or the Pac 12 before they would join the B1G.
Dream scenario would be to remove Rutgers and Maryland and add Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., and Texas. Hard to really judge when the next round of movement will take place and exactly what would happen...but the Big 12 just appears to be the most susceptible to folding.
Dream scenario would be to remove Rutgers and Maryland and add Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., and Texas. Hard to really judge when the next round of movement will take place and exactly what would happen...but the Big 12 just appears to be the most susceptible to folding.
Mizzou is a dream scenario? They're a nightmare right now. Google their enrollment problems.
Rutgers and MD aren't exciting, but they did bring some major markets to the table. If you've been in those areas since their addition, you know that the B10 is all-in on being a presence in NYC and DC. I'm talking about buses going around DC with B10 logo plastered all over them. And banners in Yankee stadium. I don't really like Rutgers or MD, but if it gets Purdue more money, then they can buy out my opinion. I think the logic was that adding Rutgers and MD would increase the pie for everybody so that the B10 would be even more attractive to some big fish in the next round (think Texas or ND).
The ACC GOR expires in 2027. The B12's expires in 2025. So that's the best guess as to when the next expansion happens. But lately, the B12 seems a little more stable and the P12 seems a little more vulnerable. The P12 network has floundered and the success of basketball and football has left a lot to be desired.
More specifically
"Hopkins competes with Maryland in college lacrosse's most historic rivalry, the two teams having met more than 100 times, both joining the Big Ten Conference in the 2014–2015 season."
So we are a Lacrosse conference.
I still think the P12 is completely safe because of geographical and time zone issues. The time zone is probably a big reason the P12 network has floundered, you lose over half the nation by the time games of interest air. So I don't see the P12 going anywhere because of logistical issues for what ever conference would want them with regard to teams in the Pacific time zone. Things just seem to get really difficult when you cross more than two time zones.
Hadn't heard of their enrollment issues. Was really looking geographically and to some possible ties to the traditional footprint of the B1G.
Honestly, if Purdue just added Kansas and Oklahoma/Texas...i'd be ok with that as it would add a good amount to football but also incredibly well for basketball.
I think that’s the most likely scenario. Two of those three teams. And Purdue moves into the east division. Unless they do pod scheduling.
I'd take a four team pod of Purdue, IU, NU, and Illinois...lol
Geographically that makes sense. But it’s most likely something like:
KU/OU/NE/IA;
MN/WI/?/?
MSU/UM/OSU/?
PSU/MD/RU/?
I think based on rivalries we’d end up with MN and WI because we’d go as a pair with IU. And the IL goes with MSU and NW goes with PSU.
Then you rotate through pods and play every team at least every three years.
Agreed Kansas/Oklahoma seems most likely. I could get excited about that.
I don't know how likely texas is... seems like all they would do is cause drama.
As I look at colleges today, I see 5 super conferences instead of a symmetrical 4 super conferences. I have to believe the Oklahoma and Kansas schools would want to stay in the same conference. I wouldn't mind trading Rutgers and Maryland for two schools located closer geographically..
NU and Maryland women have won a ridiculous number of the last 20+ national championships in lacrosse. We don't recognize it at Purdue because the Boilers barely field enough varsity sports to qualify as D1. For all his bluster the world passed old Morgan by.
Now Morgan is getting trashed because he didn't do enough for olympic sports?
I'm glad the athletic department has the minimum. Pour money into the sports I care about.
Good grief. Why do I envision certain people on this forum, decades from now, being frail and elderly, sitting on the front porch in their rocking chair b*tching about Morgan Burke?
I think one of the bigger issues is that their Longhorn Network is being kept afloat by ESPN investment. To join the B1G, they'd have to likely give that up. I can't imagine Delaney allowing it to continue because you'd have UM and OSU and maybe even PSU wanting to start their own networks then.
Yeah, a lot of conferences will have issues with Texas as they think they are more important than everyone else. It's why the Big 12 is constantly teetering and teams bailed previously. I'd prefer the Big avoid the toxic mess that is Texas.
There is no way that the B10 is kicking any school out. Does everybody understand that?
"Trade Rutgers for schools located closer..." Closer to what? Distances in miles from Purdue, which is pretty close to the geographic center of the B10:
Minnesota - 530
Kansas - 530
Penn St - 540
Maryland - 640
Rutgers - 750
Oklahoma - 790
Texas - 1120
I know it likely won't happen but the dream would be to have a true mid-west footprint. But with the ease of travel for major programs, it isn't that difficult. Plus the NCAA has restrictions on flying vs. busing which is why Purdue can actually be hurt a bit because they have to bus pretty much everywhere except Nebraska, Rutgers, PSU, and Maryland if memory serves right. On the other hand, those teams can pretty much fly anywhere and get there in a little over 90 minutes vs. Purdue to bus to UM takes about 4 hours.
Why is that your dream? Is PSU considered midwest? Is Oklahoma? My dream is for the B10 to be hands down the best major academic conference, the best athletic conference, and the one that generates the most money. I don't really care if the school is considered midwest or not.
In fact, all else equal, I'd prefer adding a school outside of the midwest:
1) The midwest is losing population to the south and west. Adding in new schools hedges against midwest decline.
2) I'm all about diversity, and having multiple regions under one conference increases diversity.
3) BTN doesn't come with the standard cable package unless you're in the footprint. I want people outside of the midwest to be exposed to B10 games.
I've never heard of that bus/fly rule. I thought Purdue flew almost everywhere.
Great points NJM. Mine was solely just looking at the footprint dream but like you stated, expanding in to other regions is the best thing for the conference. Would you be ok with adding a west coast team if it came up? What about UCF who is probably paired with Houston as being the most attractive G5 schools.
The travel issues I brought up are only contained to Championships? I thought it was just a copy/paste for any athletic event but I guess it just deals when championship events, like the NCAA Basketball Tourney are running. I guess I may have interjected a university policy that may have been in place in the past about busing vs. flying to the entire NCAA. My bad.
I personally wouldn't flinch at adding a school like UCLA, but I think that's pretty unlikely.
I would hope that B10 doesn't add any G5 schools. No offense, but we're better than that. Even mid-tier P5 schools I don't think will cut it. I think there are only two ways the B10 expands in the next 10 years:
1) B10 is on forefront of expansion (again) and convinces a true game changer to switch conferences. This is really only 5 or so schools. ND, Texas, Oklahoma, UNC, Virginia. I think this is the most likely scenario.
2) There is major upheaval in college in general (bubble bursts) or some other conference significantly threatens B10 territory (Iowa gets calls from B12, ND goes to SEC - not saying either of these are likely). It's been stated that this is one of the reasons B10 went after Rutgers/Maryland - because ACC made calls to PSU. In that case, I think the B10 would be happy to have Kansas, OK St, NC St, WV
There’s not a single armeggedon scenario in the world where B1G takes Oklahoma State, NC State, or WV. Otherwise I agree with your points. Add KU to your list in #2 and I think the only way they expand is with someone from that list. No one else pays the cover to get in...meaning has the TV sets and academic profile that the presidents of the universities would demand.
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