OK...I'm starting to think Trump is actively trying to lose

[TOKenBoiler]

The candidate and his "organization" can't say shit like this everyday and expect to win.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-advisor-carl-paladino-theres-no-doubt-that-obama-is-a-muslim/

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

The candidate and his "organization" can't say shit like this everyday and expect to win.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-advisor-carl-paladino-theres-no-doubt-that-obama-is-a-muslim/

It's about as fair as trump being a putin plant to do russian bidding...yes the lwnj say that.

 

[terminalg92]

The candidate and his "organization" can't say shit like this everyday and expect to win.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-advisor-carl-paladino-theres-no-doubt-that-obama-is-a-muslim/

Exactly, it's almost every day either Trump or someone in his camp says something that they clearly "shouldn't" from the standpoint of winning the election. It almost appears like a suicide mission sometimes.

Trump did finally do something politically smart today, which was to endorse Ryan and McCain, after just a couple of days ago failing to do so. He looked entirely uncomfortable saying it, but he did it, so maybe he is teachable after all?? Doubt it but for those who support Trump, today must've felt like a bit of a green shoot.

 

[qazplm]

Exactly, it's almost every day either Trump or someone in his camp says something that they clearly "shouldn't" from the standpoint of winning the election. It almost appears like a suicide mission sometimes.

Trump did finally do something politically smart today, which was to endorse Ryan and McCain, after just a couple of days ago failing to do so. He looked entirely uncomfortable saying it, but he did it, so maybe he is teachable after all?? Doubt it but for those who support Trump, today must've felt like a bit of a green shoot.

baby steps...by 2024 he's going to have this thing down COLD!

 

[Summy1]

Exactly, Trump just needs to be smart and watches what he says and he can win this thing. Trouble is that he continues to open his mouth. I am sure his advisors hate all this.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

I don't think Trump can win. He HAS to talk because he has to win more voters and win some people back. And when he talks, he just can't help himself. He is who he is, and that is a man unfit for the Presidency.

 

[buygreekbonds]

I don't think Trump can win. He HAS to talk because he has to win more voters and win some people back. And when he talks, he just can't help himself. He is who he is, and that is a man unfit for the Presidency.

Yep, Trump is a loose cannon and he has assembled a campaign staff that is a loose field artillery. His proposals to stop illegal immigration and screen out potential jihadists are spot on but those messages were poorly stated and quickly got lost when a hostile press used nonstop yellow journalism to magnify blunders like Trump's foolish knee-jerk comments about CPT Khan.

I agree, Trump cannot win. What can we do to keep the Wicked Witch of the Wellesley out of the White House?

 

[terminalg92]

His proposals to stop illegal immigration and screen out potential jihadists are spot on but those messages were poorly stated and quickly got lost when a hostile press used nonstop yellow journalism to magnify blunders like Trump's foolish knee-jerk comments about CPT Khan.

Trump's primary immigration proposals were to build a "really big" wall along the entire Mexican border, to deport 11M law-abiding people from this country, and to temporarily ban members of the world's biggest religion from entering the country.

Let's not blame his polling issues on yellow journalism (I don't even know what that means), but rather call a spade a spade and recognize that the Republican party nominated someone who from day one had policy ideas that were not only outlandish, but also highly unlikely to play well in a general election in a country that is more diverse than ever.

 

[TOKenBoiler]

More evidence...you cannot say this shit and seriously expect to win the presidential election.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.vox....cond-amendment-joke?client=ms-android-verizon

 

[pboiler18]

Trump's primary immigration proposals were to build a "really big" wall along the entire Mexican border, to deport 11M law-abiding people from this country, and to temporarily ban members of the world's biggest religion from entering the country.

Let's not blame his polling issues on yellow journalism (I don't even know what that means), but rather call a spade a spade and recognize that the Republican party nominated someone who from day one had policy ideas that were not only outlandish, but also highly unlikely to play well in a general election in a country that is more diverse than ever.

Another misnomer. Where does he say he's going to deport every single person here illegally? This IS just conjecture at this point. His early speeches on the wall focused on a plan and path to citizenship for those willing to pay taxes and penalties to become citizens. Sadly, the wall buzzword carried the day and when the rest was ignored, Trump then dropped the rest from his campaign and website. It was actually the most nuanced and appropriate stance on immigration any politician has come up with (left preaches sweeping amnesty, right preaches deportation) but the media spun it out of control.

Now, it is Trump's fault that he ran with it.

On Islam.....another lefty SJW willing to condemn those who see Islam for what it is....a dated and barbaric belief system that is more racist, sexist and homophobic than any group in America could come up with.

 

[terminalg92]

Another misnomer. Where does he say he's going to deport every single person here illegally? This IS just conjecture at this point. His early speeches on the wall focused on a plan and path to citizenship for those willing to pay taxes and penalties to become citizens. Sadly, the wall buzzword carried the day and when the rest was ignored, Trump then dropped the rest from his campaign and website. It was actually the most nuanced and appropriate stance on immigration any politician has come up with (left preaches sweeping amnesty, right preaches deportation) but the media spun it out of control.

Now, it is Trump's fault that he ran with it.

On Islam.....another lefty SJW willing to condemn those who see Islam for what it is....a dated and barbaric belief system that is more racist, sexist and homophobic than any group in America could come up with.

If Trump wanted to communicate a proposal where some illegal immigrants would get to stay or that he was offering them a path to citizenship, then he failed miserably at communicating that proposal. For example here's an interview where he had 6 or 7 openings to suggest something other than deporting ALL illegals, and he didn't jump on any of those opportunities: http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1507/29/cg.01.html

I didn't read every word but in that transcript it appeared he wanted to deport all illegals first, and then let SOME of the deported back in. Which is of course different than an in-place path to citizenship.

IMO there's no way in hell Trump offered up the most "nuanced and appropriate" stance on immigration. I'd say he's offered up one of the worst immigration platforms in my lifetime--if not the worst. The Libertarian ticket has a very sensible and unambiguous set of proposals here (e.g. for a super-quick glance, see here: https://www.isidewith.com/candidate-guide/gary-johnson/immigration) I suspect the Democratic ticket is much more reasonable than Trump's too, but honestly I haven't studied it.

 

[qazplm]

More evidence...you cannot say this shit and seriously expect to win the presidential election.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.vox....cond-amendment-joke?client=ms-android-verizon

It was off script. On script Don is boring, and is bored, but he doesn't say crazy stuff.

Off script Don is engaged but he says crazy stuff.

Since Don hates being bored, and since he's a showman and he wants his crowd to be energized, he can't help going off script and he can't help saying crazy stuff. He feeds off an engaged crowd and his crowd doesn't like on script boring policy proclamations.

They want lock her up and kill her and the like.

 

[pboiler18]

If Trump wanted to communicate a proposal where some illegal immigrants would get to stay or that he was offering them a path to citizenship, then he failed miserably at communicating that proposal. For example here's an interview where he had 6 or 7 openings to suggest something other than deporting ALL illegals, and he didn't jump on any of those opportunities: http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1507/29/cg.01.html

I didn't read every word but in that transcript it appeared he wanted to deport all illegals first, and then let SOME of the deported back in. Which is of course different than an in-place path to citizenship.

IMO there's no way in hell Trump offered up the most "nuanced and appropriate" stance on immigration. I'd say he's offered up one of the worst immigration platforms in my lifetime--if not the worst. The Libertarian ticket has a very sensible and unambiguous set of proposals here (e.g. for a super-quick glance, see here: https://www.isidewith.com/candidate-guide/gary-johnson/immigration) I suspect the Democratic ticket is much more reasonable than Trump's too, but honestly I haven't studied it.

I think you might be retarded. In the transcript he literally says he wants to find a way for the good ones to be readmitted with some legal status. Is that not what I highlighted above? Pretty sure that's the exact point I tried to make. He wants to first secure the borders and then second, figure out a way to get the ones who want to be here legal status and put them on a path to citizenship.

I'm not surprised though a fan of the libertarian clown that is currently running wouldn't read the fine print though.

 

[terminalg92]

I think you might be retarded. In the transcript he literally says he wants to find a way for the good ones to be readmitted with some legal status. Is that not what I highlighted above? Pretty sure that's the exact point I tried to make. He wants to first secure the borders and then second, figure out a way to get the ones who want to be here legal status and put them on a path to citizenship.

I'm not surprised though a fan of the libertarian clown that is currently running wouldn't read the fine print though.

Ah, I get so tired of the personal attacks. I "might be retarded", really? Can we not have a civil discourse despite our obvious difference of opinion?

For the bolded/italicized part in your post above, my read was that Trump wanted to deport all illegal citizens and THEN offer "the good ones" a path to REENTER the country. If I read that wrong just point me to the part I misread.

But if I read that right, then my initial statement several posts ago was correct i.e. Trump's policy is indeed to deport 11M illegals. If he wants to somehow bring back "the good ones" AFTER deportation, that doesn't change the fact that he would have deported them in the first place.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Ah, I get so tired of the personal attacks. I "might be retarded", really? Can we not have a civil discourse despite our obvious difference of opinion?

For the bolded/italicized part in your post above, my read was that Trump wanted to deport all illegal citizens and THEN offer "the good ones" a path to REENTER the country. If I read that wrong just point me to the part I misread.

But if I read that right, then my initial statement several posts ago was correct i.e. Trump's policy is indeed to deport 11M illegals. If he wants to somehow bring back "the good ones" AFTER deportation, that doesn't change the fact that he would have deported them in the first place.

Build wall. Secure border.
You only get sent back if you aren't contributing to society, or if you get in trouble. Get a job, raise your family, stay out of trouble, which is what most of the illegals are doing, then you stay.

Besides, the Chamber of Commerce types would never let all their cheap labor get sent back, if we're being honest.

 

[BoilerBiker]

More retroactive 'sarcasm' from DT.
I'm not sure how he will stay on point with just two people in a lengthy debate

 

[LSLBoiler]

Ah, I get so tired of the personal attacks. I "might be retarded", really? Can we not have a civil discourse despite our obvious difference of opinion?

For the bolded/italicized part in your post above, my read was that Trump wanted to deport all illegal citizens and THEN offer "the good ones" a path to REENTER the country. If I read that wrong just point me to the part I misread.

But if I read that right, then my initial statement several posts ago was correct i.e. Trump's policy is indeed to deport 11M illegals. If he wants to somehow bring back "the good ones" AFTER deportation, that doesn't change the fact that he would have deported them in the first place.

What's an "illegal citizen"?

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Build wall.

You lost me.

 

[prophit44]

Build wall. Secure border.
You only get sent back if you aren't contributing to society, or if you get in trouble. Get a job, raise your family, stay out of trouble, which is what most of the illegals are doing, then you stay.

Besides, the Chamber of Commerce types would never let all their cheap labor get sent back, if we're being honest.

I am amazed at how rational people can make up their own narrative to make Trump's loony rantings palatable. Trump has been saying for over a year that he is going to build a wall (paid for by Mexico!) and immediately deport all people here without documentation.

Now it's not so much an actual physical wall, but really more a metaphorical wall to secure our borders, and the hey, the "good" undocumented immigrants can stay because actual deportation of 11mm is logistically not feasible.

How exactly do you think the toothless masses foaming at the mouth chanting "lock her up" will feel when they find out it's only a metaphorical wall?

Thankfully, I don't think there's much chance we will ever have to find out.

 

[terminalg92]

What's an "illegal citizen"?

Haha I'll plead guilty on that one.

 

[qazplm]

I am amazed at how rational people can make up their own narrative to make Trump's loony rantings palatable. Trump has been saying for over a year that he is going to build a wall (paid for by Mexico!) and immediately deport all people here without documentation.

Now it's not so much an actual physical wall, but really more a metaphorical wall to secure our borders, and the hey, the "good" undocumented immigrants can stay because actual deportation of 11mm is logistically not feasible.

How exactly do you think the toothless masses foaming at the mouth chanting "lock her up" will feel when they find out it's only a metaphorical wall?

Thankfully, I don't think there's much chance we will ever have to find out.

Rational people? Eh....