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OK, I don't normally bash IU....

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...but this tweet I saw on Bleacher Report just needed to be repeated:

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Fran Fraschilla ✔ @franfraschilla

"Most impressive thing I noticed about Indiana freshman Thomas Bryant at practice was hunger for coaching. Means he'll get better all year."
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Yeah.

Good luck with that. :)

 
SqueakyClean said:
...but this tweet I saw on Bleacher Report just needed to be repeated:

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Fran Fraschilla ✔ @franfraschilla

"Most impressive thing I noticed about Indiana freshman Thomas Bryant at practice was hunger for coaching. Means he'll get better all year."
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Yeah.

Good luck with that. :)

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He's already been getting better. Remember how Crean said he increased his vertical by 9 inches since June?
 
aggar66 said:
He's already been getting better. Remember how Crean said he increased his vertical by 9 inches since June?
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Must have gotten one of the last pairs of shoes sold by this guy...
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Objectivecarl said:
im not an iu fan or a purdue fan... but iu's team looks 10 to 15 times better than purdue this year
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And you saw them both play where? IU has been on TV if you pay the BTN+ which I did and frankly, they looked pretty average to me. Same problems as last year against a pretty short team from Canada. Dribble around, jack up shots, play little or no defense, a bit stronger in the post area. Purdue has yet to play in TV this year so "Objective" I'm pretty sure you are completely full of shit and are in fact just another formerly banned IU douche who has somehow risen like a Phoenix from the fry pit to post complete crap.
 
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Objectivecarl said:
im not an iu fan or a purdue fan... but iu's team looks 10 to 15 times better than purdue this year
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Oh my, you mean if we can only score 60 points, IU will be up there at 600-900 points? Oooh, scary. That would be a beat down. Can you imagine a basketball score of 60-600?

I guess it could happen if we got to play with one ball and when IU had the ball, the refs wouldfd give each IU player a ball.

As Doc says, "This is... funny"
 
reasonableguy05 said:
obviously not score 10 to 15 times as many points dumb dumb

in a head to head , iu wins 10 to 15 times to purdues one... is probably want carl meant.. leave carl alone, he's completely objective and knows his stuff
im good friends with him and he whas plenty of inside sources and when he says something you can take it to the bank
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Having a conversation with the voices inside your head again, Francis. I'm not sure if this double handle poster thinks this is funny or does he believe he is fooling us. The biggest problem is how is he getting outside Internet access from elementary school or the mental institution.
 
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ToddFosterakadirty said:
Having a conversation with the voices inside your head again, Francis. I'm not sure if this double handle poster thinks this is funny or does he believe he is fooling us. The biggest problem is how is he getting outside Internet access from elementary school or the mental institution.
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This guy, Aaron Schall, has more than two handles. He has like a million trolling handles on here and is always creating new ones.
 
mathboy said:
Think: Doc Holiday, as he looks at his feet and realises he is dieing without his boots on. He says, "This is funny" and passes away. I was just making fun of the drama Objective Carl was attempting to add to the board.
:cool:
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MB,

My attempt at adding to the humor apparently went "off the rails" here.....I suppose I've seen too much of the football games this year or should have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
 
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Objectivecarl said:
im not an iu fan or a purdue fan... but iu's team looks 10 to 15 times better than purdue this year
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Question for you "Objectivecarl". How many games has Tom Crean won vs. Purdue when Tyler Zeller wasn't on the roster for IU? Even for a troll Loosier, this should not be too hard to figure out.
 
SDBoiler1 said:
Question for you "Objectivecarl". How many games has Tom Crean won vs. Purdue when Tyler Zeller wasn't on the roster for IU? Even for a troll Loosier, this should not be too hard to figure out.
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I figured it out!

The Tom Crean led Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball team has won four games against Purdue without Tyler Zeller on IU's roster.

Should be a good battle this year; love the contrast in styles, and I hope that both IU and Purdue are top three in the B1G. Good times.
 
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Purdue is one of the worst matchup for IU and it's for obvious reasons. But, to think Bryant isn't going to be a good player....that's just silly. Swanigan, Stone and Bryant are the 3 best freshmen in the B1G. All will have very good college careers.
 
champ1 said:
Purdue is one of the worst matchup for IU and it's for obvious reasons. But, to think Bryant isn't going to be a good player....that's just silly. Swanigan, Stone and Bryant are the 3 best freshmen in the B1G. All will have very good college careers.
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I haven't seen anyone say Bryant won't be good. I think what many here believe is that IU won't be as good as many IU fans believe they will be. Mainly because they are judging the season on adding Bryant and saying he will make the defense much better as a rim protector allowing the guards to play in your fave defense knowing he is there.
Reality is he is the only big IU has and he is a freshman. Teams will go at him hard looking to get him off the floor. IU fans thinking he will be a rim protector will probably regret hopping for that as it will raise the likelyhood he gets into foul trouble, which is already high.
AJ struggled for two years in knowing when to try to block a shot and when to simply alter it with his size to prevent fouls being called. He was pretty good at it as a junior. But Bryant will likely face the same issues. Once he sits, IU is right back to being undersized and being not so good at defense and being dominated in the paint.

In other words, IU fans judge the addition of Bryant at his peak as a college player. Purdue fans don't see that peak being reached anytime this season. Thus the IU of last year with some but minimal improvement.

It's pretty simple.
 
HoosierfanJM said:
I figured it out!

The Tom Crean led Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball team has won four games against Purdue without Tyler Zeller on IU's roster.

Should be a good battle this year; love the contrast in styles, and I hope that both IU and Purdue are top three in the B1G. Good times.
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This is correct. Crean is 0-8 without Tyler Zeller vs. Purdue. Overall, he is 4-8 vs. Purdue.
 
SDBoiler1 said:
Who cares? They all spurned Purdue to play for another school, and outside of the youngest one, really didn't distinguish themselves much in college or in the pros. They all kind of blend together for me.
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Just trying to help you understand the back and forth in this thread.
 
SDBoiler1 said:
Who cares? They all spurned Purdue to play for another school, and outside of the youngest one, really didn't distinguish themselves much in college or in the pros. They all kind of blend together for me.
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didn't tyler zeller win acc player of the year?
 
proudopete said:
I haven't seen anyone say Bryant won't be good. I think what many here believe is that IU won't be as good as many IU fans believe they will be. Mainly because they are judging the season on adding Bryant and saying he will make the defense much better as a rim protector allowing the guards to play in your fave defense knowing he is there.
Reality is he is the only big IU has and he is a freshman. Teams will go at him hard looking to get him off the floor. IU fans thinking he will be a rim protector will probably regret hopping for that as it will raise the likelyhood he gets into foul trouble, which is already high.
AJ struggled for two years in knowing when to try to block a shot and when to simply alter it with his size to prevent fouls being called. He was pretty good at it as a junior. But Bryant will likely face the same issues. Once he sits, IU is right back to being undersized and being not so good at defense and being dominated in the paint.

In other words, IU fans judge the addition of Bryant at his peak as a college player. Purdue fans don't see that peak being reached anytime this season. Thus the IU of last year with some but minimal improvement.

It's pretty simple.
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A lot of wrong here....first, it was pretty much inferred in the OP that Bryant wouldn't be that good this year, as he wouldn't likely improve throughout the year. Second, you constantly say "IU fans", as if all IU fans think the same. I don't believe that, nor do any of my friends.
Third, you can't compare AJ. vs. Bryant. Bryant's skillset is much further advanced tha. AJ's as a freshman and was a
McDonald's AA, so their incoming abilities simply shouldn't be compared. AJ needed that extra time to develop. Swanigan surely won't need any time.
Smart IU fans know that Bryant will have his ups and downs(foul issues)and if he can produce 10&7, while providing an inside defensive presence, then job well done. IU will obviously have a great offense, but it's the perimeter defense that will make or break how good they can be. That's a HUGE question mark.
One thing is for sure.....when IU and Purdue play, Mr. Bryant will receive a tough education.

Im not an IU homer due to my relationship with Painter (many can attest to this). I enjoy accurate conversation about IU and Purdue hoops.
 
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champ1 said:
A lot of wrong here....first, it was pretty much inferred in the OP that Bryant wouldn't be that good this year, as he wouldn't likely improve throughout the year. Second, you constantly say "IU fans", as if all IU fans think the same. I don't believe that, nor do any of my friends.
Third, you can't compare AJ. vs. Bryant. Bryant's skillset is much further advanced tha. AJ's as a freshman and was a
McDonald's AA, so their incoming abilities simply shouldn't be compared. AJ needed that extra time to develop. Swanigan surely won't need any time.
Smart IU fans know that Bryant will have his ups and downs(foul issues)and if he can produce 10&7, while providing an inside defensive presence, then job well done. IU will obviously have a great offense, but it's the perimeter defense that will make or break how good they can be. That's a HUGE question mark.
One thing is for sure.....when IU and Purdue play, Mr. Bryant will receive a tough education.

Im not an IU homer due to my relationship with Painter (many can attest to this). I enjoy accurate conversation about IU and Purdue hoops.
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Do you really think he will average 10 and 7 this year?
Do you have any idea how many players in the B1G averaged 7 rebounds a game last season?
4. Kaminsky, Dawson Williams and White.
I doubt Bryant comes in at 10 and 7. Maybe 7 and 5.

You say I am so wrong to compare AJ and Bryant. Yet here you are acting as if he will have AJ type numbers of 11 and 6.6 last season.
Nobody is comparing him to freshman AJ. I think we all agree he should be better.
I was comparing him to junior AJ because IU fans, most of them are saying he will have similar numbers.
 
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Do you really think he will average 10 and 7 this year?
Do you have any idea how many players in the B1G averaged 7 rebounds a game last season?
4. Kaminsky, Dawson Williams and White.
I doubt Bryant comes in at 10 and 7. Maybe 7 and 5.

You say I am so wrong to compare AJ and Bryant. Yet here you are acting as if he will have AJ type numbers of 11 and 6.6 last season.
Nobody is comparing him to freshman AJ. I think we all agree he should be better.
I was comparing him to junior AJ because IU fans, most of them are saying he will have similar numbers.
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Like I said in a previous post, I enjoy having basketball conversations with Purdue fans, as a lot of them know a lot about the game. After I replied to your post, you came back at me like I was on drugs.
Your biggest bewilderment was that I said if Bryant posted numbers of 10 and 7, I would call that a job well done. You thought him averaging 7 boards per game was sheer lunacy, because only 4 players did it last year and AJ only averaged 6.6.
Yes, I do believe Bryant averages around 7 rpg and here is why. Players have strengths and weaknesses and you know this, but you are not familiar with Bryant's yet. First, he is freakishly long at 7-5.5. In comparison, AJ is very long at 7-3. His motor is on high at all times, which imo made him a McDonald's AA. Most bigs with that kind of talent usually have to be pushed to go hard. Due to that motor and length, scouts (not me) have called him a tenacious rebounder. If you put those things with the fact he is IU's only real BIG and barring foul trouble, will get 30 minutes per game......my guess of approximately 7 boards per game sounds about right.

Weaknesses? He has plenty, but when you have a BIG that has soft hands, can run, long and a high motor, you have a great piece of clay to work with.
 
champ1 said:
Like I said in a previous post, I enjoy having basketball conversations with Purdue fans, as a lot of them know a lot about the game. After I replied to your post, you came back at me like I was on drugs.
Your biggest bewilderment was that I said if Bryant posted numbers of 10 and 7, I would call that a job well done. You thought him averaging 7 boards per game was sheer lunacy, because only 4 players did it last year and AJ only averaged 6.6.
Yes, I do believe Bryant averages around 7 rpg and here is why. Players have strengths and weaknesses and you know this, but you are not familiar with Bryant's yet. First, he is freakishly long at 7-5.5. In comparison, AJ is very long at 7-3. His motor is on high at all times, which imo made him a McDonald's AA. Most bigs with that kind of talent usually have to be pushed to go hard. Due to that motor and length, scouts (not me) have called him a tenacious rebounder. If you put those things with the fact he is IU's only real BIG and barring foul trouble, will get 30 minutes per game......my guess of approximately 7 boards per game sounds about right.

Weaknesses? He has plenty, but when you have a BIG that has soft hands, can run, long and a high motor, you have a great piece of clay to work with.
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I came back at you like you were on drugs? I shared facts.
You are the one who said there was so much wrong with my opinion. So I shared facts. Historical facts that show how much of a stretch it is for you to expect 10 and 7 as an average.

You also assumed I was comparing frosh AJ to frosh Bryant and then you claim Bryant will put up almost exactly the same numbers as a junior AJ. That is a huge stretch.

You don't think a 7 foot AJ was our main rebounder? He led the team and still didn't reach an average of 7 per game. He shared minutes with Haas but was very seldom in foul trouble last year and played probably about the same amount of minutes as Bryant will this season.

You have surely watched the scrimmages and exhibition by now. Do you not see how easily it will be to get Bryant in foul trouble for good teams?

He reaches with his hands on defense. He goes for blocks when out of position. He will be the main target for other teams in every game as his going out of the game completely changes the prospects for IU. Add in the fact that your perimeter players have a history of getting beat off the dribble and you have the makings of a lot iof pine time that wil hamper any chances at a 10 and 7 as an average. The chances are slim no matter what type of motor or reach he has. Those are junior AJ type of numbers and he had what many experts considered a pretty good year.

So once again I was civil and used historical facts to back up my opinion. I look forward to your reply claiming I acted as if you were nuts or whatever you choose to perceive.
 
Both programs could be very solid this year....they could also be very average. Both teams have huge questions marks...IU defense and coaching, PU shooting and matchup issues...If both correct these issues then I see them both in top 3 of BIg. If they don't fix them...I see 7-4 range.
 
bsmitty08 said:
Both programs could be very solid this year....they could also be very average. Both teams have huge questions marks...IU defense and coaching, PU shooting and matchup issues...If both correct these issues then I see them both in top 3 of BIg. If they don't fix them...I see 7-4 range.
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Purdue finished 3rd last year, right? Why would Purdue be worse this season? The whole team is basically back. Is Octeus + PJT (as FR) that much better than Hill + PJT (as SO)?
 
SDBoiler1 said:
Purdue finished 3rd last year, right? Why would Purdue be worse this season? The whole team is basically back. Is Octeus + PJT (as FR) that much better than Hill + PJT (as SO)?
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Well it's a different year, less favorable schedule this year, and I think a tougher all around BIG this season.
MSU went to final four and returns most of team and adds a really good big man and transfer.
Maryland is loaded
IU returns entire team basically and adds McD AA big and a fith yr transfer Big
Wisky has Bo Ryan....enough said
Michigan is heathly this year and looks to be dangerous
OSU will be solid
Never easy to win at Iowa..
 
bsmitty08 said:
Well it's a different year, less favorable schedule this year, and I think a tougher all around BIG this season.
MSU went to final four and returns most of team and adds a really good big man and transfer.
Maryland is loaded
IU returns entire team basically and adds McD AA big and a fith yr transfer Big
Wisky has Bo Ryan....enough said
Michigan is heathly this year and looks to be dangerous
OSU will be solid
Never easy to win at Iowa..
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Swanigan doesn't count? He was a McD AA big. Swanigan > Bryant. IU is weak inside compared to Purdue. Purdue beat IU twice last season and IU is 4-8 vs. Painter including 0-8 without Cody Zeller.

MSU lost a good deal, too. Maryland is loaded.

Bo Ryan lost most of his best players. No coach can overcome that kind of attrition and come out unscathed.

Michigan lacks size again, OSU will be really young and without a premier scorer like they usually have. There is no Russell on this team.

Iowa doesn't scare Purdue at all.

Again, Purdue will finish lower? You can't honestly believe that.
 
SDBoiler1 said:
Swanigan doesn't count? He was a McD AA big. Swanigan > Bryant. IU is weak inside compared to Purdue. Purdue beat IU twice last season and IU is 4-8 vs. Painter including 0-8 without Cody Zeller.

MSU lost a good deal, too. Maryland is loaded.

Bo Ryan lost most of his best players. No coach can overcome that kind of attrition and come out unscathed.

Michigan lacks size again, OSU will be really young and without a premier scorer like they usually have. There is no Russell on this team.

Iowa doesn't scare Purdue at all.

Again, Purdue will finish lower? You can't honestly believe that.
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Did you even read my initial post? Also PU was 21-13 last year. Not exactly world beaters...PU played a very very soft BIg last year. Only played wisky, msu, Maryland and Michigan once. I said PU and IU if they fix a few areas will be top 3 in big. PU big ten finish was a little deceiving because of the BIg schedule they had last year. this year iu has the favorable BIG schedule but tougher non-conf.
 
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