Ohio U 21, Marshall 10

[BoilerBonz]

... Birdsong, the guy we made look like a Heisman candidate, was 16 of 33 for 106 yards, and Ohio picked him on Marshall's last drive. (Ohio wasn't in a prevent, apparently they trust their corners.)

WIth BGSU crushing MD, this Purdue fan base better tighten its seat belts because a repeat of 2012's record is looking like a real possibility, despite the fact that this team is much improved. Illinois and IU aren't going to roll over for us, and we will be significant underdogs against all others.

 

[BBG]

... Birdsong, the guy we made look like a Heisman candidate, was 16 of 33 for 106 yards, and Ohio picked him on Marshall's last drive. (Ohio wasn't in a prevent, apparently they trust their corners.)

WIth BGSU crushing MD, this Purdue fan base better tighten its seat belts because a repeat of 2012's record is looking like a real possibility, despite the fact that this team is much improved. Illinois and IU aren't going to roll over for us, and we will be significant underdogs against all others.

Being improved doesn't mean much when the staff doesn't know what to do with them. This season could be quite the bumpy ride.

 

[StateStreet123]

... Birdsong, the guy we made look like a Heisman candidate, was 16 of 33 for 106 yards, and Ohio picked him on Marshall's last drive. (Ohio wasn't in a prevent, apparently they trust their corners.)

WIth BGSU crushing MD, this Purdue fan base better tighten its seat belts because a repeat of 2012's record is looking like a real possibility, despite the fact that this team is much improved. Illinois and IU aren't going to roll over for us, and we will be significant underdogs against all others.

Ouch. that's gives me some perspective....that i likely didnt want to see or admit.

 

[Heiner]

... Birdsong, the guy we made look like a Heisman candidate, was 16 of 33 for 106 yards, and Ohio picked him on Marshall's last drive. (Ohio wasn't in a prevent, apparently they trust their corners.)

WIth BGSU crushing MD, this Purdue fan base better tighten its seat belts because a repeat of 2012's record is looking like a real possibility, despite the fact that this team is much improved. Illinois and IU aren't going to roll over for us, and we will be significant underdogs against all others.

I'm in full agreement. We're going to have to settle for just trying to be competitive again. I'm getting tired of it for sure but we are still young and getting better. Can Shoup and continue to move forward.

 

[PaBoiler78]

I'm in full agreement. We're going to have to settle for just trying to be competitive again. I'm getting tired of it for sure but we are still young and getting better. Can Shoup and continue to move forward.

leave it up to an ole wiley coach like Solich to throttle the Hoopies who were probably flat after their big win vs us. Look at Wash. St. they lose to Portland St. then next week fly cross country to beat Rutgers

 

[lbodel]

... Birdsong, the guy we made look like a Heisman candidate, was 16 of 33 for 106 yards, and Ohio picked him on Marshall's last drive. (Ohio wasn't in a prevent, apparently they trust their corners.)

WIth BGSU crushing MD, this Purdue fan base better tighten its seat belts because a repeat of 2012's record is looking like a real possibility, despite the fact that this team is much improved. Illinois and IU aren't going to roll over for us, and we will be significant underdogs against all others.

Oh gosh, let's not set up the Bowling Green game as some monumental victory if we happen to win. Maryland stinks.

 

[rgarlitz]

Great win for Ohio! (I spent six years there, 2002-2008). Seriously, though, there are 2 factors that probably help explain it.

1) The game was in Athens and the OU-Marshall game is a huge rivalry - second only to Miami for Ohio. No doubt Frank Solich and Co. were ot to make a statement yesterday.

2) Marshall might have had a hangover from last week. Marshall made no attempt to hide how important the Purdue game was for their program.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Great win for Ohio! (I spent six years there, 2002-2008). Seriously, though, there are 2 factors that probably help explain it.

1) The game was in Athens and the OU-Marshall game is a huge rivalry - second only to Miami for Ohio. No doubt Frank Solich and Co. were ot to make a statement yesterday.

2) Marshall might have had a hangover from last week. Marshall made no attempt to hide how important the Purdue game was for their program.

Or the third unspoken factor:
3)Marshall isn't as good as we've been led to believe.

 

[lbodel]

Great win for Ohio! (I spent six years there, 2002-2008). Seriously, though, there are 2 factors that probably help explain it.

1) The game was in Athens and the OU-Marshall game is a huge rivalry - second only to Miami for Ohio. No doubt Frank Solich and Co. were ot to make a statement yesterday.

2) Marshall might have had a hangover from last week. Marshall made no attempt to hide how important the Purdue game was for their program.

I mean, we had "Marshall Mondays" all through the off-season....we lost.

 

[rgarlitz]

Oh, sure, no doubt this one is going to haunt Purdue, just another example of finding ways to lose a game Purdue really had to win in order to manufacture a turnaround.

BTW - when was the last time Purdue football got off to a really strong start? 2007?

 

[Cleanface]

Marshall obviously had a catastrophic mental and physical letdown after defeating the mighty Boilermakers for their first ever B1G win.

We were their Super Bowl.

 

[lbodel]

Oh, sure, no doubt this one is going to haunt Purdue, just another example of finding ways to lose a game Purdue really had to win in order to manufacture a turnaround.

BTW - when was the last time Purdue football got off to a really strong start? 2007?

Depends on your definition of strong start. Purdue had many "good starts", but against poor opponents.

In 2012, Purdue started 3-1 - but those wins were against 1-AA and MAC teams. Purdue then lost its next 5 games (all Big Ten games).

In 2011, Purdue started 4-2, and lost the rest of the games finishing 4-8.

Even when Purdue had winning seasons, it's been an issue. In 2007, Purdue started 5-0 and lost 5 of their last 7 regular season games. In 2006, Purdue started 4-0 and lost 4 of their next 5 games.

Our main issue has been winning games in the Big Ten schedule. It's still hard to judge our Big Ten schedule. Minnesota looked impressive in their first game, but squeaked by Colorado State yesterday - hard to read them still. Illinois has played impressive games, but not impressive opponents with their new coach. Their 2 games have a combined score of 96-3 - albeit against Akron and Western Illinois. They play @ UNC next, so will be interesting to see how they fare.

Minnesota and Illinois are both games going into the season I thought we'd have a good shot against. While I have not changed my opinion, both of them are faring better than I thought they would - but it's still very early and they are both home games for Purdue.

You look at other Big Ten teams on our schedule - Michigan State looks pretty tough, Wisconsin is a bit hard to read but still good, Nebraska is a team that is good, but not great at this point. If those 3 teams show up against us, they will beat us. Northwestern has started well, but I'm not sure how good Stanford is at this point so hard to judge NW. Iowa looks ok, but they are always hard to read early on.

 

[BoilermakerD]

... Birdsong, the guy we made look like a Heisman candidate, was 16 of 33 for 106 yards, and Ohio picked him on Marshall's last drive. (Ohio wasn't in a prevent, apparently they trust their corners.)

WIth BGSU crushing MD, this Purdue fan base better tighten its seat belts because a repeat of 2012's record is looking like a real possibility, despite the fact that this team is much improved. Illinois and IU aren't going to roll over for us, and we will be significant underdogs against all others.

This is the real issue. Remember Applebys long pass v. Marshall. They made him PROVE he could do it, and in exchange for one long pass they had tighter coverage AND COVERED THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD ALL DAY.

But part of why you don't get too into something like this is the fact that a school like Marshall has smaller quicker players. they're not built for the Big Ten season the way the Purdue is or other Big Ten teams are so they getting advantage in the first week because they're not quite worried about confronting physical play over 12 games. so you have a smaller quicker lined up and therefore a team like Ohio who also has a smaller quicker lineup is going to do better against him in the beginning of the season

 

[studed]

Oh gosh, let's not set up the Bowling Green game as some monumental victory if we happen to win. Maryland stinks.

they lost the week before but they also tore up the Tennessee. had 557 yards in that game. Maryland game they had 691. going to be high scoring game

 

[Foolmeoncefan]

... Birdsong, the guy we made look like a Heisman candidate, was 16 of 33 for 106 yards, and Ohio picked him on Marshall's last drive. (Ohio wasn't in a prevent, apparently they trust their corners.)

WIth BGSU crushing MD, this Purdue fan base better tighten its seat belts because a repeat of 2012's record is looking like a real possibility, despite the fact that this team is much improved. Illinois and IU aren't going to roll over for us, and we will be significant underdogs against all others.

Isn't that something though. It sure puts things into perspective. I see improvement here and there, but I also see decline in other areas. It all balances out. But it is very revealing that Marshall lost handily to a MAC school, while they pretty much had their way with us.

 

[boilerpt]

Isn't that something though. It sure puts things into perspective. I see improvement here and there, but I also see decline in other areas. It all balances out. But it is very revealing that Marshall lost handily to a MAC school, while they pretty much had their way with us.

I would hardly say they had their way with us. We controlled nearly the entire game. A couple better play calls completely changes the outcome.

 

[Bluegrass Boiler]

Other possible reasons for Marshall's demise in Athens. They had a short week to prepare (Sunday game with us) vs nine days for Ohio. Ohio played on a Thursday and had plenty of time to watch and then study Marshall's win over us. That includes an opportunity to study Marshall'sr QB's first game...we had no film on him in the Marshall offense. And Marshall continually shot itself in the foot with 16 penalties for -150 yards on top of four turnovers. It's hard to beat anyone when you turn the ball over four times and get flagged that many times.

 

[HUD628]

LOL it seemed pretty clear that this Marshall team wasn't that good, and now it has been confirmed. Birdsong stinks and their fans know it, calling for his job already.

That was a game that we needed on the road and we threw it away.

 

[PalmCoastFl]

We have the athletes to compete with most.................but I think we can all be in agreement as to whether we have the right coaches to to get us to where we need to be!!!!!!!!!

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

We have the athletes to compete with most.................but I think we can all be in agreement as to whether we have the right coaches to to get us to where we need to be!!!!!!!!!

I agree on this totally

 

[lbodel]

This is the real issue. Remember Applebys long pass v. Marshall. They made him PROVE he could do it, and in exchange for one long pass they had tighter coverage AND COVERED THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD ALL DAY.

But part of why you don't get too into something like this is the fact that a school like Marshall has smaller quicker players. they're not built for the Big Ten season the way the Purdue is or other Big Ten teams are so they getting advantage in the first week because they're not quite worried about confronting physical play over 12 games. so you have a smaller quicker lined up and therefore a team like Ohio who also has a smaller quicker lineup is going to do better against him in the beginning of the season

While I agree that a team like Marshall is not built for a 10 game schedule against Big Ten level competition, I don't think beating Ohio the week after us was an advantage of

Other possible reasons for Marshall's demise in Athens. They had a short week to prepare (Sunday game with us) vs nine days for Ohio. Ohio played on a Thursday and had plenty of time to watch and then study Marshall's win over us. That includes an opportunity to study Marshall'sr QB's first game...we had no film on him in the Marshall offense. And Marshall continually shot itself in the foot with 16 penalties for -150 yards on top of four turnovers. It's hard to beat anyone when you turn the ball over four times and get flagged that many times.

I mean are we really to the point of creating a list of reasons why Marshall could lose to Ohio?

Ohio had game film to use to prepare? Ok, well Marshall had game film to prepare for Ohio too.

At the end of the day, you can analyze this all you want. Marshall is NOT a good team. Could they be decent? Sure. Are they going to be decent in their conference? Probably. Is it a team that a Big Ten school should beat? Yes. Will a Big Ten school beat them every single time? Probably not, particularly the lower quality ones.

Overall, losing to Marshall is not the end of the world. It was the opening game of the season and those are always hiccups every now and then with those games. But - it certainly isn't good for us in the position when we're in with a 3rd year head coach trying to figure out the future of the program.

 

[rbaggie]

LOL it seemed pretty clear that this Marshall team wasn't that good, and now it has been confirmed. Birdsong stinks and their fans know it, calling for his job already.

That was a game that we needed on the road and we threw it away.

That's hard to believe, fans wanting a quarterback's head after one off game? Never seen that.

 

[pboiler18]

We have the athletes to compete with most.................but I think we can all be in agreement as to whether we have the right coaches to to get us to where we need to be!!!!!!!!!

The issue is, going into 2013....we DIDN'T have those athletes to compete with most or they hadn't been developed at that point. Shit on this staff for the gameday stuff....I won't argue that. That said, the talent development HAS been better under this coach than the previous and it would be hard for a logical person to disagree.

 

[since1980]

Seasons are fluid...hard to compare teams based on who others won or lost to. Just looking at the end result of games doesn't always tell the story of which team is better.
We played better than Marshall for most of the game and I think we are definitely better than Marshall 8 times out of 10...but we spotted them 14 points on 2 plays and that is difficult to overcome on the road.
Certain teams match up better with other teams. Certain teams are healthier certain weeks than when other teams played them. We beat the crap out of Birdsong and that might have effected him in week 2.
I think as long as we can stay healthy and Appleby doesn't spot teams 14 points, this team is capable of winning almost any game we play the rest of the year except probably MSU and at WISC. Of course we are capable of losing them all as well. I think there are going to be a lot of close games which should make for some fun games to watch.

 

[SCBoiler1]

The issue is, going into 2013....we DIDN'T have those athletes to compete with most or they hadn't been developed at that point. Shit on this staff for the gameday stuff....I won't argue that. That said, the talent development HAS been better under this coach than the previous and it would be hard for a logical person to disagree.

 

[SCBoiler1]

I had forgotten that just 3 years ago we were a mediocre B10 football team.

Hope took over a Tiller team that was 4-8 in 2008. Between 2009 and 2012 in Hope's 4 years we won 13 conference games (4 - 4 two years) and we were 14 W - 14 L Hope's last two years. This record includes one year were we used our 4th or 5th string quarterback in games because of injury. We still went 2 -6 in conference that year. These are facts.

Under Hazell- Record against D1 opponents 2-21. Conference Record 1-17. Those are facts.

Why shouldn't a a logical person ask if Hazell is better at player development?

Most of us would be delighted with a 6-6 regular season record.

3 years ago it got Danny Hope fired. Fact.

 

[PalmCoastFl]

The issue is, going into 2013....we DIDN'T have those athletes to compete with most or they hadn't been developed at that point. Shit on this staff for the gameday stuff....I won't argue that. That said, the talent development HAS been better under this coach than the previous and it would be hard for a logical person to disagree.

If you remember.............we had 15 starters back from a 6-7 team. It was the "SYSTEM" implemented by Hazz that was the demise that season. He came in and quote" We are going to become a smash mouth football team!" We will never be a smash mouth football team! Was there an issue of Depth?Yes! But we should have never been that god awful of a team.

 

[takedownboiler]

Marshall also gave the ball away 2 times deep in Ohio territory. And they had close to 200 yards in penalties.

 

[pboiler18]

If you remember.............we had 15 starters back from a 6-7 team. It was the "SYSTEM" implemented by Hazz that was the demise that season. He came in and quote" We are going to become a smash mouth football team!" We will never be a smash mouth football team! Was there an issue of Depth?Yes! But we should have never been that god awful of a team.

Where were the starters though? Not at WR, RB, QB and OL. We started an insanely undersized Kugler and 2 RS Freshman that just werent mentally prepared to play. They have turned out to be good players....but show me ANY offense anywhere in CFB that has had success starting 2 FR and 1 SO in the middle of their line. WRs were BAD. At QB, we lost THE reason we went 3-0 to end the year (also the other reason were ABYSMAL Iowa and IU teams). That BIG was truly one of the weakest EVER, and we only mustered 6-6. If NW and Iowa are anywhere close to their historic mean, we go 4-8....no questions asked.

The D was just average....but put in some really horrible situations due to the offense just being undermanned and not deep at all. But sure....Danny Hope was going to come in and set the world on fire with that team. Or realistically....probably have won 3 games...

 

[SCBoiler1]

Where were the starters though? Not at WR, RB, QB and OL. We started an insanely undersized Kugler and 2 RS Freshman that just werent mentally prepared to play. They have turned out to be good players....but show me ANY offense anywhere in CFB that has had success starting 2 FR and 1 SO in the middle of their line. WRs were BAD. At QB, we lost THE reason we went 3-0 to end the year (also the other reason were ABYSMAL Iowa and IU teams). That BIG was truly one of the weakest EVER, and we only mustered 6-6. If NW and Iowa are anywhere close to their historic mean, we go 4-8....no questions asked.

The D was just average....but put in some really horrible situations due to the offense just being undermanned and not deep at all. But sure....Danny Hope was going to come in and set the world on fire with that team. Or realistically....probably have won 3 games...

 

[banshee90]

I would hardly say they had their way with us. We controlled nearly the entire game. A couple better play calls completely changes the outcome.

2 pick 6s is the only way they had their way