Offer Hazen Already Coach

[hamcoboiler]

I must say, I can't quite make sense of it. Right now Purdue has 9 scholarship players for next year.

Painter rounded out the 2015 class with Weatherford who averaged 12.6 points, 4.7 rebounds and 4.6 assists as a senior. He was a 6'1" guard and it's unfair to judge his playing career at Purdue but he wasn't viewed as a high ceiling player.

Hazen averaged 16 and 9, shot 35% from 3. He is 6'8" and and a big time athlete. He has been a back to basket player all his life but with some improvement in his ball handling he can grow into a really solid stretch 4. He would be great person for Edwards to work against in practice.

He is going to get high major offers this week. If Purdue had a scholarship crunch I would understand the wait.

Everyone seems to like the idea of banking scholarships, but it always foolish because players leave and scholarships open up.

Coach you have 4 open spots right now. Use them.

 

[valtore101]

There is a reason why Matt Painter is the basketball coach of Purdue and not the aggregate rumblings of people on the internet who are not personally involved in these situations.

 

[Summy1]

There is a reason why Matt Painter is the basketball coach of Purdue and not the aggregate rumblings of people on the internet who are not personally involved in these situations.

I am sure Painter and his staff are on top of it. There are a lot of different players they are looking at. Hard to be patient though.

 

[hamcoboiler]

I am not personally involved. I have seen the kid play multiple times. I am sick of banking scholarships / not using all of them. It is completely illogical to me in this environment of kids leaving every year. I also don't like seeing high major kids leave their state when Purdue has open spots and a need.

 

[hamcoboiler]

I am sure Painter and his staff are on top of it. There are a lot of different players they are looking at. Hard to be patient though.

I wish I shared your optimism Summy. Purdue hasn't used all their scholarships in 3 years. I realize your last few players in a class aren't top 150 guys, but you miss out on those guys that really grow into solid players. Ethan Happ had offers from Green Bay & Milwaukee when Wisconsin offered. Maybe they should have banked that scholarship.

 

[nagemj02]

I wish I shared your optimism Summy. Purdue hasn't used all their scholarships in 3 years. I realize your last few players in a class aren't top 150 guys, but you miss out on those guys that really grow into solid players. Ethan Happ had offers from Green Bay & Milwaukee when Wisconsin offered. Maybe they should have banked that scholarship.

It's true that they haven't typically used all 13 scholarships on a season-to-season basis during CMP's tenure, but they did use all of them this past season:

'15-'16:

1. Davis
2. Hammons
3. Hill
4. Smotherman
5. Stephens
6. Edwards
7. Haas
8. Mathias
9. Taylor
10. Thompson
11. Cline
12. Swanigan
13. Weatherford

 

[euchre13]

Right, and had we not had scholarships left over we wouldn't have had room for Swanigan. No way is perfect. Trust the process

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I wish I shared your optimism Summy. Purdue hasn't used all their scholarships in 3 years. I realize your last few players in a class aren't top 150 guys, but you miss out on those guys that really grow into solid players. Ethan Happ had offers from Green Bay & Milwaukee when Wisconsin offered. Maybe they should have banked that scholarship.

Aren't you aware of Morgue's money ball strategy? No need to use all of your scholarships for any sport, just a waste of money. Especially when we have several of those cost-prohibitive out-of-state scholarships going right now.

 

[cprh9u]

There is a reason why Matt Painter is the basketball coach of Purdue and not the aggregate rumblings of people on the internet who are not personally involved in these situations.

Just because he is coach doesn't mean he is doing the right thing. Go on the football board and say "There is a reason why Darell Hazell is the football coach" and see what kind of response you get. Obviously Painter is better than CDH, but I would say there is a reason Purdue has only seen 1 Co-B1G championship and 2 sweet 16's in the past 11 years, and his name is Painter.

 

[hamcoboiler]

It's true that they haven't typically used all 13 scholarships on a season-to-season basis during CMP's tenure, but they did use all of them this past season:

'15-'16:

1. Davis
2. Hammons
3. Hill
4. Smotherman
5. Stephens
6. Edwards
7. Haas
8. Mathias
9. Taylor
10. Thompson
11. Cline
12. Swanigan
13. Weatherford

you are correct, and while i agree the one spot made it possible to land swanigan. there aren't 4 swanigans Purdue is waiting on.

 

[hamcoboiler]

Just because he is coach doesn't mean he is doing the right thing. Go on the football board and say "There is a reason why Darell Hazell is the football coach" and see what kind of response you get. Obviously Painter is better than CDH, but I would say there is a reason Purdue has only seen 1 Co-B1G championship and 2 sweet 16's in the past 11 years, and his name is Painter.

Great response cprh9u, valtore apparently prefers messages boards without fans opinions. i would probably have a similar post about Bane, but I have never seen him play. Or as valtore would say, "i am not personally involved" with Bane.

 

[TC4THREE]

And then if he never sees the court people will complain about how he wasted a scholarship. Unless he transfers then it will be how he forced him out and was stupid for offering to begin with. If he doesn't offer and he becomes a decent player elsewhere then people will complain that we didn't offer. If we don't offer and he goes on to do nothing the same people complaining now won't own up to their mistake and give any credit in a couple years.

Basically people like to bitch about everything but then they have selective memory about where they were right and wrong. The same people that are right 10% act like they are geniuses when they do get something right.

 

[TC4THREE]

Just because he is coach doesn't mean he is doing the right thing. Go on the football board and say "There is a reason why Darell Hazell is the football coach" and see what kind of response you get. Obviously Painter is better than CDH, but I would say there is a reason Purdue has only seen 1 Co-B1G championship and 2 sweet 16's in the past 11 years, and his name is Painter.

That's better than 95%+ of other coaches that Purdue could potentially get would do at Purdue and the Hummel injuries significantly limited that list.

Morons here aren't going to be happy until we change coaches and the basketball program is in the same toilet the football program is. Then where will everyone that is bitching about Painter be? The same place those that bitched about Hope are. Either nowhere to be found while interest and ticket sales plummet or move to bitching about the AD for not finding the magical coach that could take us to a Final Four in his first three years.

 

[BBG]

That's better than 95%+ of other coaches that Purdue could potentially get would do at Purdue and the Hummel injuries significantly limited that list.

Morons here aren't going to be happy until we change coaches and the basketball program is in the same toilet the football program is. Then where will everyone that is bitching about Painter be? The same place those that bitched about Hope are. Either nowhere to be found while interest and ticket sales plummet or move to bitching about the AD for not finding the magical coach that could take us to a Final Four in his first three years.

So much this. Great post, it needs to be stickied.

And comparing the basketball program to the football program is like comparing apples to bulldozers as I have said before. You have one program that like you said is better than 95% of the other coaches out there and another that has yet to show any signs of life.

What also makes me scratch my head is that not long ago when there was a thread about who people would want to be our next coach or some such, many people were making suggestions of coaches with WORSE records. But then again, that is why their comments are being made on a forum and they aren't the AD.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

I like hearing what most people think, except the ones who call someone names or degrading others, when saying their opinion or thought on something, While a lot of times its just repetitive of what others have already posted, we do get some info from some posts. Of course some info we don't know whether to believe it. I think a lot of people on the board just feel like the basketball team could have done better, and are throwing out their ideas, nothing wrong with that, which I think is better than sitting back and accepting whatever happens.

 

[tjreese]

That's better than 95%+ of other coaches that Purdue could potentially get would do at Purdue and the Hummel injuries significantly limited that list.

Morons here aren't going to be happy until we change coaches and the basketball program is in the same toilet the football program is. Then where will everyone that is bitching about Painter be? The same place those that bitched about Hope are. Either nowhere to be found while interest and ticket sales plummet or move to bitching about the AD for not finding the magical coach that could take us to a Final Four in his first three years.

I have no problem with people being critical of Matt. Where I struggle is people stating only a result as the ultimate measure rather than specifics relative to basketball. Sometimes I'm unsure if some have sound reasons based upon basketball knowledge or just desires of certain results based upon other programs. Again, even without technical reasons validity may be found in results only, but it makes it more difficult to understand in the unknown premise.

 

[cprh9u]

So much this. Great post, it needs to be stickied.

And comparing the basketball program to the football program is like comparing apples to bulldozers as I have said before. You have one program that like you said is better than 95% of the other coaches out there and another that has yet to show any signs of life.

What also makes me scratch my head is that not long ago when there was a thread about who people would want to be our next coach or some such, many people were making suggestions of coaches with WORSE records. But then again, that is why their comments are being made on a forum and they aren't the AD.

Doesn't look like you replied directly to me but I assume you are talking to me. I didn't compare football to bball, just the fact that being a coach (or AD for that matter) doesn't mean you are doing the right thing. I think Painter is better than Hazell, but I still think he needs to go as soon as his buyout bottoms out so we have a chance at a coach who can win a co-B1G championship more than once every 11 years and advance beyond the sweet 16 sometime in his career.

And Painter is better than 95% of coaches out there? HAHAHAHAHA. Please compare him to the high major programs from the B1G or ACC or Big 12, etc. that we are competing against. Based on that, there might be what, 60-70 high major teams, a list of which includes anyone from Duke to Rutgers. I would say Painter is probably in the middle of that list, maybe in the 35-40 range. You really think he is a top 5% coach??? One of the top 3-4 in high major basketball? Even if you were to take all 350 Division 1 programs (including the likes of Arkansas Little Rock, University of New Hampshire, Lipscomb University and Stetson University among others, which is really quite ridiculous), he would need to be top 17 or so to make your criteria. But surely we aspire to be the best and are not comparing Painter to Stetson or Lipscomb, right?

Here is a list from Athlon that has him at 45th. List is about 6 months old but pretty accurate.

 

[TC4THREE]

Doesn't look like you replied directly to me but I assume you are talking to me. I didn't compare football to bball, just the fact that being a coach (or AD for that matter) doesn't mean you are doing the right thing. I think Painter is better than Hazell, but I still think he needs to go as soon as his buyout bottoms out so we have a chance at a coach who can win a co-B1G championship more than once every 11 years and advance beyond the sweet 16 sometime in his career.

And Painter is better than 95% of coaches out there? HAHAHAHAHA. Please compare him to the high major programs from the B1G or ACC or Big 12, etc. that we are competing against. Based on that, there might be what, 60-70 high major teams, a list of which includes anyone from Duke to Rutgers. I would say Painter is probably in the middle of that list, maybe in the 35-40 range. You really think he is a top 5% coach??? One of the top 3-4 in high major basketball? Even if you were to take all 350 Division 1 programs (including the likes of Arkansas Little Rock, University of New Hampshire, Lipscomb University and Stetson University among others, which is really quite ridiculous), he would need to be top 17 or so to make your criteria. But surely we aspire to be the best and are not comparing Painter to Stetson or Lipscomb, right?

Here is a list from Athlon that has him at 45th. List is about 6 months old but pretty accurate.

Read again. He's better than 95%+ of the coaches that Purdue could potentially get as a replacement. I've got news for you. Coach K isn't in the pool of coaches we'll be interviewing if we ever replace him. Neither will Calipari, Izzo, Roy Williams, Bill Self, Tony Bennett, Jay Wright, Mike Brey, Tom Crean, John Beilein, Thad Matta, Sean Miller, Shaka Smart, Kevin Ollie, and probably 10-20 more that I'm not considering right off the top of my head.

You think Purdue can just go pick anyone they want? HAHAHAHAHA. When you join the rest of us in the real world let me know.

 

[TC4THREE]

I like hearing what most people think, except the ones who call someone names or degrading others, when saying their opinion or thought on something, While a lot of times its just repetitive of what others have already posted, we do get some info from some posts. Of course some info we don't know whether to believe it. I think a lot of people on the board just feel like the basketball team could have done better, and are throwing out their ideas, nothing wrong with that, which I think is better than sitting back and accepting whatever happens.

Yea I sat back and kept my mouth shut while GBI and disgruntled fans ran Hope out of town. Why? Because I wasn't a huge Hope fan and I thought that maybe we could do better. In reality though, people on this board were not fair to him. His results were historically pretty much average for a Purdue coach. He wasn't great but he wasn't quite the bumbling idiot he was made out to be either. Fans demanded a change and the AD listened. Guess what? We hired someone that isn't just worse, but MUCH worse. Historically bad in fact. And I'm guessing the AD lost all those people that were threatening to give up their tickets because of Hope anyway.

I will not sit back and watch the same thing happen to the basketball program while keeping my mouth shut. If you want to be critical of Painter, then be critical. But be fair in your criticisms. It's like I said in another thread, many here are critical of almost everything he does and then the 10% of the time they are actually right they come here and gloat and make themselves out to be some kind of basketball genius when in reality they end up being wrong far more often than they are right but their criticisms that end up looking idiotic are long past and forgotten.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Read again. He's better than 95%+ of the coaches that Purdue could potentially get as a replacement. I've got news for you. Coach K isn't in the pool of coaches we'll be interviewing if we ever replace him. Neither will Calipari, Izzo, Roy Williams, Bill Self, Tony Bennett, Jay Wright, Mike Brey, Tom Crean, John Beilein, Thad Matta, Sean Miller, Shaka Smart, Kevin Ollie, and probably 10-20 more that I'm not considering right off the top of my head.

You think Purdue can just go pick anyone they want? HAHAHAHAHA. When you join the rest of us in the real world let me know.

This is the reality of ranking or rating or ranting or ridiculouing Painter. It is not relevant ... who can we GET that will do better in the next four years? If there is a problem taht has no better solution, then is it really a problem.

 

[mathboy]

I like this statement from TC4three:

"If you want to be critical of Painter, then be critical. But be fair in your criticisms"​

I strongly agree with his perspective. Certainly Painter is far from perfect, and he has made some mistakes. Every coach out there has made mistakes and has been outcoached in games. Izzo-the-Great, with the player of the year, a guard, wait... a Point Guard who was player of the year, lost his first round game against some directional school. It happens. 9/10 times, we beat A-LR. 9/10 times MSU beats MTS. Meh.

Is he a top 5 coach? No, not yet. Is he in the top 15% of all D1 coaches? Probabaly yes. He is ranked 45th by the so-called experts. The top 15% would be the top 52 coaches, so he makes that hurdle. The real question is how do we get Purdue into the FF and to an NC, right? Is painter topped out, or does he have potential to continue to improve, and will he improve fast enough to get where we want? The answer to this question is only "opinion based" and there are few facts that bear upon this. You can only use trends to support an argument either way. Right now the trend is upward. No one can predict the future.

 

[*4purdue*]

I am not personally involved. I have seen the kid play multiple times. I am sick of banking scholarships / not using all of them. It is completely illogical to me in this environment of kids leaving every year. I also don't like seeing high major kids leave their state when Purdue has open spots and a need.

Track record shows that when we offer these 2-3 star kids, they transfer after a year or 2 because they aren't going to play

 

[hamcoboiler]

Track record shows that when we offer these 2-3 star kids, they transfer after a year or 2 because they aren't going to play

Mathias, PJ & Basil disagree. And the four star Stephens just left.

 

[cprh9u]

I like this statement from TC4three:

"If you want to be critical of Painter, then be critical. But be fair in your criticisms"​

I strongly agree with his perspective. Certainly Painter is far from perfect, and he has made some mistakes. Every coach out there has made mistakes and has been outcoached in games. Izzo-the-Great, with the player of the year, a guard, wait... a Point Guard who was player of the year, lost his first round game against some directional school. It happens. 9/10 times, we beat A-LR. 9/10 times MSU beats MTS. Meh.

Is he a top 5 coach? No, not yet. Is he in the top 15% of all D1 coaches? Probabaly yes. He is ranked 45th by the so-called experts. The top 15% would be the top 52 coaches, so he makes that hurdle. The real question is how do we get Purdue into the FF and to an NC, right? Is painter topped out, or does he have potential to continue to improve, and will he improve fast enough to get where we want? The answer to this question is only "opinion based" and there are few facts that bear upon this. You can only use trends to support an argument either way. Right now the trend is upward. No one can predict the future.

Glad you agree he is not a top 5% coach. No idea where that came from. I have Tom Coverdale on ignore, but I don't disagree with what you quoted him as saying in bold. This is not an opinion but truth: Painter has 1 Co-B1G championship in 11 years and only 2 sweet 16's. How many other coaches at a high major school have been there 10+ years with those types of mediocre results? I think it's right to hold him to a standard equivalent to what most schools would expect out of a coach they keep for a decade +. Here are the guys I found with 10+ years at a high major school:

Boeheim, Krzyzewski, Izzo, Few, Brey, Pitino, Wright, Hamilton (FSU), Romar (Washington), Williams, Self, Scott Drew, Thompson III, Matta, Painter.

Out of those guys, who has had the least success? I'd say Hamilton, Romar, Drew and then Painter. I guess kudos to us for landing Painter over Leonard Hamilton? So a few of the above are not that great (notably FSU and UW). Some of the schools above were powerhouses in the past and remain that way (UNC), but most were made a powerhouse or made better by their coach... can you say that overall about CMP? Few made Gonzaga into a perennial winner. Self elevated Kansas. Matta at OSU. Izzo at MSU. Coach K at Duke. CMP is doing about what Keady did, except with less B1G championships at the same point in their careers. Many of you are happy about that, I think it's pretty blah.

I don't think Painter is bottom of the barrel (like Hazell), I just think we could do so much better. I gave a list of 7 or 8 proven coaches we could land that I would prefer recently, plus there are a number of up and comers you could pursue from lower ranks. I really hope we do try for better results when his buyout reaches a reasonable amount in 2-3 years.

 

[B-Westy]

Glad you agree he is not a top 5% coach. No idea where that came from. I have Tom Coverdale on ignore, but I don't disagree with what you quoted him as saying in bold. This is not an opinion but truth: Painter has 1 Co-B1G championship in 11 years and only 2 sweet 16's. How many other coaches at a high major school have been there 10+ years with those types of mediocre results? I think it's right to hold him to a standard equivalent to what most schools would expect out of a coach they keep for a decade +. Here are the guys I found with 10+ years at a high major school:

Boeheim, Krzyzewski, Izzo, Few, Brey, Pitino, Wright, Hamilton (FSU), Romar (Washington), Williams, Self, Scott Drew, Thompson III, Matta, Painter.

Out of those guys, who has had the least success? I'd say Hamilton, Romar, Drew and then Painter. I guess kudos to us for landing Painter over Leonard Hamilton? So a few of the above are not that great (notably FSU and UW). Some of the schools above were powerhouses in the past and remain that way (UNC), but most were made a powerhouse or made better by their coach... can you say that overall about CMP? Few made Gonzaga into a perennial winner. Self elevated Kansas. Matta at OSU. Izzo at MSU. Coach K at Duke. CMP is doing about what Keady did, except with less B1G championships at the same point in their careers. Many of you are happy about that, I think it's pretty blah.

I don't think Painter is bottom of the barrel (like Hazell), I just think we could do so much better. I gave a list of 7 or 8 proven coaches we could land that I would prefer recently, plus there are a number of up and comers you could pursue from lower ranks. I really hope we do try for better results when his buyout reaches a reasonable amount in 2-3 years.

You truly are the superior fan.

 

[TC4THREE]

You truly are the superior fan.

Ha. I guess he got tired of seeing me shoot holes in all of his BS.

 

[Chuchumutha]

Glad you agree he is not a top 5% coach. No idea where that came from. I have Tom Coverdale on ignore, but I don't disagree with what you quoted him as saying in bold. This is not an opinion but truth: Painter has 1 Co-B1G championship in 11 years and only 2 sweet 16's. How many other coaches at a high major school have been there 10+ years with those types of mediocre results? I think it's right to hold him to a standard equivalent to what most schools would expect out of a coach they keep for a decade +. Here are the guys I found with 10+ years at a high major school:

Boeheim, Krzyzewski, Izzo, Few, Brey, Pitino, Wright, Hamilton (FSU), Romar (Washington), Williams, Self, Scott Drew, Thompson III, Matta, Painter.

Out of those guys, who has had the least success? I'd say Hamilton, Romar, Drew and then Painter. I guess kudos to us for landing Painter over Leonard Hamilton? So a few of the above are not that great (notably FSU and UW). Some of the schools above were powerhouses in the past and remain that way (UNC), but most were made a powerhouse or made better by their coach... can you say that overall about CMP? Few made Gonzaga into a perennial winner. Self elevated Kansas. Matta at OSU. Izzo at MSU. Coach K at Duke. CMP is doing about what Keady did, except with less B1G championships at the same point in their careers. Many of you are happy about that, I think it's pretty blah.

I don't think Painter is bottom of the barrel (like Hazell), I just think we could do so much better. I gave a list of 7 or 8 proven coaches we could land that I would prefer recently, plus there are a number of up and comers you could pursue from lower ranks. I really hope we do try for better results when his buyout reaches a reasonable amount in 2-3 years.

I understand your frustration, kind of. But you're really wasting your energy hoping for a coaching change. Look at our roster. We are going to make the tourney the next two years which will make four straight appearances. And I believe we had a six year run earlier in his tenure. And before you say, "Is that good enough for you?'" consider who is making that decision. Do you really think a new AD is going to fire a coach coming off 4 straight NCAA appearances? Much more likely is is a contract extension announced sometime in the next two years and that timetable could move up if Painter makes any kind of run in the tourney next year. The only possible realistic alternate scenario to this would be if Matt whiffs on the 2017 class. Then the AD may wait on the extension to gauge the teams prospects and could fire Painter if he sees another backslide like we had a couple of years ago. But even that wouldn't happen for 2 years at least.

 

[Summy1]

I get what everyone is saying. Painter is a good coach but kinda an average coach. Reminds me of when Tiller was here. He took Purdue so far and after awhile people wanted more. Going to a bowl game every year was not enough anymore. Now we got Painter which most years will take Purdue to the tournament, but not much more besides that. At first, it is okay but now fans want more.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

I understand your frustration, kind of. But you're really wasting your energy hoping for a coaching change. Look at our roster. We are going to make the tourney the next two years which will make four straight appearances. And I believe we had a six year run earlier in his tenure. And before you say, "Is that good enough for you?'" consider who is making that decision. Do you really think a new AD is going to fire a coach coming off 4 straight NCAA appearances? Much more likely is is a contract extension announced sometime in the next two years and that timetable could move up if Painter makes any kind of run in the tourney next year. The only possible realistic alternate scenario to this would be if Matt whiffs on the 2017 class. Then the AD may wait on the extension to gauge the teams prospects and could fire Painter if he sees another backslide like we had a couple of years ago. But even that wouldn't happen for 2 years at least.

I agree. The new AD will need to address football, which has become a financial burden on the athletic department and the university. In all likelihood, basketball will be a distant second in terms of priority and the AD will focus on supporting the program while negotiating an extension for Painter that is in the best interest of the university.

 

[mathboy]

I get what everyone is saying. Painter is a good coach but kinda an average coach. Reminds me of when Tiller was here. He took Purdue so far and after awhile people wanted more. Going to a bowl game every year was not enough anymore. Now we got Painter which most years will take Purdue to the tournament, but not much more besides that. At first, it is okay but now fans want more.

Well, if you really use the word "average" as it is defined, then if Painter is an "average coach", then we would average a 6th/7th place finish in the BIG and never make the NCAA's, right? Let's see, 350 D1 schools and only 68 make the field for the tournament. Average is finishing 175th, right? Yet, here we have a coach who regularly finishes in the top 20, in the country. Average? Naw, I don't think so. I think you are misusing the word "average".

I guess you can roll around in the mud of despair, but don't expect me to agree with you, or to join you in that bitter pit. I am very hopeful that we have the right coach for the job, and as his recruiting and game management skills continue to improve, we will acheive everything you and the rest of us want.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Glad you agree he is not a top 5% coach. No idea where that came from. I have Tom Coverdale on ignore, but I don't disagree with what you quoted him as saying in bold. This is not an opinion but truth: Painter has 1 Co-B1G championship in 11 years and only 2 sweet 16's. How many other coaches at a high major school have been there 10+ years with those types of mediocre results? I think it's right to hold him to a standard equivalent to what most schools would expect out of a coach they keep for a decade +. Here are the guys I found with 10+ years at a high major school:

Boeheim, Krzyzewski, Izzo, Few, Brey, Pitino, Wright, Hamilton (FSU), Romar (Washington), Williams, Self, Scott Drew, Thompson III, Matta, Painter.

Out of those guys, who has had the least success? I'd say Hamilton, Romar, Drew and then Painter. I guess kudos to us for landing Painter over Leonard Hamilton? So a few of the above are not that great (notably FSU and UW). Some of the schools above were powerhouses in the past and remain that way (UNC), but most were made a powerhouse or made better by their coach... can you say that overall about CMP? Few made Gonzaga into a perennial winner. Self elevated Kansas. Matta at OSU. Izzo at MSU. Coach K at Duke. CMP is doing about what Keady did, except with less B1G championships at the same point in their careers. Many of you are happy about that, I think it's pretty blah.

I don't think Painter is bottom of the barrel (like Hazell), I just think we could do so much better. I gave a list of 7 or 8 proven coaches we could land that I would prefer recently, plus there are a number of up and comers you could pursue from lower ranks. I really hope we do try for better results when his buyout reaches a reasonable amount in 2-3 years.

You gave a list of 7 or 8 coaches.....One question....what is there in West Lafayette/Purdue to bring someone you deem better to campus? I'm going to piss some off, but West Lafayette is not on anyone's destination list. It's the lack of facilities....the school needs a brand new state of the art arena and a state of the art brand new stadium. Sorry if that angers some, but that's my opinion for those blaming Painter. Hazell....is just not a very good coach.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Well, if you really use the word "average" as it is defined, then if Painter is an "average coach", then we would average a 6th/7th place finish in the BIG and never make the NCAA's, right? Let's see, 350 D1 schools and only 68 make the field for the tournament. Average is finishing 175th, right? Yet, here we have a coach who regularly finishes in the top 20, in the country. Average? Naw, I don't think so. I think you are misusing the word "average".

I guess you can roll around in the mud of despair, but don't expect me to agree with you, or to join you in that bitter pit. I am very hopeful that we have the right coach for the job, and as his recruiting and game management skills continue to improve, we will acheive everything you and the rest of us want.

Math, let me ask you a serious question.....If Painter were at IU, Louisville, Michigan, or any of the SEC schools do you think he'd be a "better" coach. I like CMP and think he's done a very good job, though I don't like this year's early loss.

 

[TC4THREE]

I get what everyone is saying. Painter is a good coach but kinda an average coach. Reminds me of when Tiller was here. He took Purdue so far and after awhile people wanted more. Going to a bowl game every year was not enough anymore. Now we got Painter which most years will take Purdue to the tournament, but not much more besides that. At first, it is okay but now fans want more.

I fully believe we can/will make a deep tourney run with Painter. We haven't had the players for it since the years Hummel was injured but I think the talent is trending upward and we can build back to that level. Remember that Villanova had eight straight years of not making the second week of the tournament (or missing it completely) before breaking through this year. Most programs just can't simply reload and have top talent every year.

 

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You gave a list of 7 or 8 coaches.....One question....what is there in West Lafayette/Purdue to bring someone you deem better to campus? I'm going to piss some off, but West Lafayette is not on anyone's destination list. It's the lack of facilities....the school needs a brand new state of the art arena and a state of the art brand new stadium. Sorry if that angers some, but that's my opinion for those blaming Painter. Hazell....is just not a very good coach.

I really don't think the arena itself is an issue but I'm not sure if our facilities in general hurt us. As arenas go, Cameron Indoor is reportedly little more than a barn and Assembly Hall is actually one of the worst places I've ever been to for a basketball game. Now those schools could have great lockerrooms, weight rooms, practice courts, etc that put Purdue at a disadvantage. I really have no basis for comparison there.

 

[Summy1]

I fully believe we can/will make a deep tourney run with Painter. We haven't had the players for it since the years Hummel was injured but I think the talent is trending upward and we can build back to that level. Remember that Villanova had eight straight years of not making the second week of the tournament (or missing it completely) before breaking through this year. Most programs just can't simply reload and have top talent every year.

Purdue had the talent this year but couldn't do anything with it.

 

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Purdue had the talent this year but couldn't do anything with it.

Same with MSU.

 

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QUOTE="TwinDegrees2, post: 981762, member: 5118"]Math, let me ask you a serious question.....If Painter were at IU, Louisville, Michigan, or any of the SEC schools do you think he'd be a "better" coach. I like CMP and think he's done a very good job, though I don't like this year's early loss.[/QUOTE]
Nobody liked this year's early loss except A-LR. I ask us all to keep in perspective these kinds of disappointments. You cannot base a rational evaluation of a coach's performance on a single game. To do so shows an incredible misunderstanding of this game we all love. We love it because it is unpredictable. Every once in a while, the little guy wins. It happens to the best coaches, so let's not judge Painter on this year's NCAA results.

...and yes, Painter would be a good coach at any of those other places, and might have an easier time recruiting because, like it or not, most of those places are better venues and nicer cities than West Laffy.

 

[cprh9u]

Same with MSU.

But it's not the same with MSU year after year for 11 years. Want to compare Izzo's first 11 years with CMP's?

 

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But it's not the same with MSU year after year for 11 years. Want to compare Izzo's first 11 years with CMP's?

We don't play 11-year seasons. How about we compare just this year? That removes past issues that may or may not have been in Painter's direct control. This year we did finish second to MSU in the BIGT, by a couple points, and third to their second place in the BIG, with a harder schedule. We both exited from a first round game, beaten in an upset. That sounds like a draw to me.

HOF coach Izzo had an AA Point Guard who was Natioanl player of the year. (Remember how important guard play is to winning in the NCAAT, right?) We had a center who made the first team all-BIG team. Whoopee! Given this, I think Painter did pretty darned well.

 

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Purdue had the talent this year but couldn't do anything with it.

You don't make a deep tourney run with our guard play as it was this year. It was a problem for us all season long and it got us in the tourney. We needed more talent and/or experience there.