Late bloomer I'd hate to see go somewhere else and have a solid college career when he could of been here. You can't go wrong with all the open scollies we will still have for the furture if offered, UNLESS Painter thinks he can land a solid transfer.
Offer Bane!
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Don't need a transfer SG. Unless Painter is sure we land a star SG in '17 I see no harm in getting Bane. He could learn behind Cline, Mathias, and Stephens. Give him time to develop and adjust. Of course it takes some special recruit to come in and know that they may not play until they are a junior or senior.
Word on the street is that he would accept a Purdue offer if one were extended. With Weatherford transferring, and no better options, seems like it would be worth it to take a chance on Bane. Maybe the staff is looking to see what transfers become available, or if there are any decommits due to coaching changes, etc. before moving ahead on Bane.
We need scoring @ shooting guard(and pg for that matter)....do not care whether its a transfer or regular recruit. Purdue guard's ppg is piss poor as compared to rest of B1G.
Ill trade weatherford for Bane any day, seems like a no brainer to me. It's at a position we could use to replace Ray, rather than a 3rd string point gaurd with no offense.
Maybe the coaching staff is waiting on a decision from Kendall Stephens as to whether he'll return next season or not before offering Bane. I think this is fair speculation since a physically healthy Stephens only played (and sparingly as well) in 4 of Purdue's last 15 games this past season.
I doubt it, since Stephens will only be on scholarship for one more year, regardless.
Fun story. I was walking back to my car in Gatlingburg, TN and a gentlemen and what looked like a young kid with good size. They commented on my Purdue sweatshirt. I said I was a die hard. The gentlemen stated that his friend here was being recruited by them. 2&2 together I asked if his name was Desmond Bane. He said yes. I also ask if he had been offered yet. Desmond stated that they were waiting to see if Stephens would transfer. I shook his hand told him good luck and went on my way.
Their spring break is next week ... they were out Good Friday. They're in school this week. My guess is that it was before the Weatherford announcement.
Why were they in Gatlingburg? Was it for an official/unofficial visit or a camp: something along those lines?
So the offer to Bane has nothing to do with the 2017 class? If it all depends on Stephens it is about depth next year.
There were 41 guards in the B1G with higher ppgs than Mathias. 45 guards with higher ppg than Cline. Our PG spot was not much better with 39 guards with higher ppg than PJT; 42 guards in the B1G with higher ppg than Hill.
So yes, our guards were piss poor when you look @ scoring the basketball.
(When it comes to all positions the four of them ranked in B1G ppg: 76th PJT, 78th Mathias, 80th Hill, & 92nd Cline.)
Kendall needed to play. He may shoot a lower % than Cline & Mathias but he can score a lot more. Mathias and Cline pick their spots while Kendall when on can wreck a defense all night long. Some of those games down the stretch we needed to plug him in there a few minutes to see if he could get going. I feel though that the SGs averages will go up with the departure of Ray.
Buck, I understand your direction here, but the PPG statistics do not tell the whole story, especially on our feed-the-big-guy team.
I recommend that to evaluate our guards, we should look at the assist numbers, shooting %, and rebounds. We are okay in most of these catagories, I think (I don't have time to look them up). We are probably pretty low in steals per minute, which points to lack of quickness and our more passive defense.
What a ridiculous thing to say. So someone shooting a lower percentage, which means fewer shots are going in, can somehow score more than other players that have a higher percentage, which means more of their shots are going in and hence are scoring more points? I am so thankful people like you aren't the coach. We'd always have a losing season if you were.
What if you offer Bane, he stinks and can't play at this level, and then transfers after one year, or even stays all four years and plays 30 career games? You would all crush Painter about not being able to identify talent.
Maybe that is why he hasn't been offered yet. When your only offers are low majors at best, there is a reason.
Maybe that is why he hasn't been offered yet. When your only offers are low majors at best, there is a reason.
You really need to look at shot attempts for this to be a meaningful metric. It's not like that is going to vault our guys into the top 10 but my guess is that our guards shot fewer times than almost all the other teams.
This decision to offer or not to offer is quickly becoming the BANE of my existence.
There's some truth in what Buck was saying, but I mostly agree with you. Purdue's guards were low usage by design, but very high in offensive efficiency. PJ, Mathias, Hill, and Cline all had an offensive ratings of at least 119, which is good, but they were instructed to try to get the ball in the post as the first option.Buck, I understand your direction here, but the PPG statistics do not tell the whole story, especially on our feed-the-big-guy team.
I recommend that to evaluate our guards, we should look at the assist numbers, shooting %, and rebounds. We are okay in most of these catagories, I think (I don't have time to look them up). We are probably pretty low in steals per minute, which points to lack of quickness and our more passive defense.
Where I agree with Buck is that none of these guys were great at creating their own shots. That's where I think that Vince Edwards has the biggest upside on the wing and hopefully Carson Edwards will emerge at the point. The other guys can then compliment those two well.
Clearly if that occurs it is Painters fault and he needs to apologize. (sarcasm meter = high)
More importantly though...wasn't the villain in a Batman movie named Bane? My memory is so bad I'm not sure....but I am thinking of the villain who wore the black breathing mask thing?
If that is the case, then yes, we ABSOLUTELY have to offer Bane. We need more intimidators like that on the team.
its funny you bring up Batman, when my old high school played Bane's team in the sectional finals this year , a lot of students wore Batman costumes and all sat together, it was neat to see it.
Funny. With names like Bane and Smotherman, Purdue should be awfully intimidating. (Having Ivan Drago and Biggie doesn't hurt, either.)
So by your theory Haas and Hammons would of played equally. Johnny would of played 30 mins a game too. FG% doesn't mean everything.
This has to be an early April fools joke. It just has to be. You really can't be this narrow minded can you? I mean you are even missing your own point now. I stand by what I said about being glad that you and others like you aren't coaching the team. At this point I doubt you would even get one win, ever.
I love Shakespeare ... his eye for talent was unmatched.
whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous recruiting, or to take arms against a sea of posters, and by opposing end them.....and gain thy lofty extension.....
Out....damned coach.....Out I say.....
One of the best parts of this board is that one can never predict where a thread may go ....
Mathias was more aggressive creating his own shot towards the end of the season and making shots like the halftime buzzer-beater in the home win over Maryland showed that's he capable of being a more versatile scorer (and facilitator) instead of just being a catch-and-shoot guy.
Back to Desmond Bane, did he play AAU ball (sorry if this has been answered before)? I figure he would have played against better overall competition there.
I find myself heartily disagreeing with every single post of yours.
The only way a player can score more often while shooting at a lower clip is to shoot more often. Most people that have ever watched a Purdue basketball game agree that shot selection was Stephens' weak spot. It seems you're lauding him for so many ill advised shots. Unless by "score more" you mean that Stephens wasn't just a shooter, but a slasher also.
Either way, I can't believe you watch the games and come to the conclusions you do.
I'm sure Steph Curry understands that rationality...Bane provides a body at an area of need and from all sources he is a good student and works very hard on his game. Nobody is claiming the young man will come and light it up next season. But he could develop himself in to a very good guard that has skills that currently aren't on the roster. Athletically, he would be behind only Smotherman next season. As a high school coach said to me...he is every bit of what Davis was this year with a much better offensive skill set when he gets to be a sophomore. I'd take a player like that every year if I was CMP.
I like Bane, and I think he offers an extra dimension of the game that we currently lack: slashing to the basket. The only player I feel that is capable of doing so is Vince, and we need at least one more. Not sure Bane is the absolute answer though, as he will only be a freshman next year if offered. I would be happy if he joins us next year, but I wouldn't be so upset even if he doesn't. This one is a toss-up.
I would offer if he understands he may not play for a year or two. No reason to offer him if he thinks he needs heavy minutes because that will likely lead to a transfer.
I get it, but man, can we trust the coaches just once??? Just one time. There is a reason he has not been offered and has low-major offers at best.
FWIW, I averaged 25 points and 8 rebounds as a 6-4 guard in Minnesota in high school. I had ZERO D-I offers and sniffs, despite selling my soul to get noticed. Crazy stats in HS against lower-tier competition don't mean you should be offered.
FWIW, I averaged 25 points and 8 rebounds as a 6-4 guard in Minnesota in high school. I had ZERO D-I offers and sniffs, despite selling my soul to get noticed. Crazy stats in HS against lower-tier competition don't mean you should be offered.
I figure that if they can't develop any interest from prospects that are more naturally-skilled or further along in their player development, why not offer Bane right now? The roster is down to 8 scholarship players at this point in time. I feel confident that Bane could bring more on-the-court impact to the Purdue program than Weatherford probably would have.
I don't want them to settle, but I think Bane is a "safe" usage of a scholarship (can see if he develops) with 4 other schollies still open if he signs.
I don't want them to settle, but I think Bane is a "safe" usage of a scholarship (can see if he develops) with 4 other schollies still open if he signs.
Got some more inside info on Bane: The big question comes on the defensive end with Bane. His high school played an exclusive 2-3 zone where Bane, at 6'5ish, played the middle. He hasn't played much, if any, man to man defense which could be the reasoning behind the lack of offers. On top of his lack of man to man defense, he is going to have to defend on the wing and many coaches may feel that is too much to work on given other players they are currently recruiting. His school beat a number of 4A schools this season, including Richmond, so I honestly think this is a guy who just doesn't have the spotlight as much as other players. If he is playing up in Fort Wayne or in Indy, he probably gets more publicity.
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