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No Go Zones "an inconvenient truth"

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What is wrong with you people?


I mean, really, what is your problem?

You
people, you media jackals, are having crazy attacks because Louisiana
Gov. Bobby Jindal dared say there are areas in Europe, heavily populated
by Muslims, which effectively are "no-go zones" because police and other non-Muslims are largely unwelcome.

Oh, the humanity! Jindal dared trigger a politically correct trip wire! How could he?!?

Isn't it terrible when somebody tells an inconvenient truth?


Daniel
Pipes is a somewhat controversial but widely respected historian and
expert on Middle Eastern affairs who has taught at Harvard and the
University of Chicago and served in multiple diplomatic roles. Since
2006, Pipes has maintained and published a list of "no-go zones" in France - places "that the French state doesn't fully control."

One year and five days before Jindal's remarks, the London Times quoted Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Constabulary, Tom Winsor,
thusly: "Some parts of Britain have their own forms of justice." And:
"There are communities from other cultures who would prefer to police
themselves." In those places, Muslim patrol groups enforce Sharia law,
confiscating alcohol, forcing women to cover their skin, acting as
vigilantes without police interference.

As far back as 2006, the
respected writer Claire Berlinski published the book "Menace in Europe,"
whose dust-jacket summary's second sentence described a Europe with
Islamic "ghettos so hopeless and violent that even police won't enter
them." In those Islamic enclaves, Berlinski wrote, the residents "view
assimilation as something literally worse than death."
In 2011,
the Gatestone Institute also reported on "no-go zones," noting that a
group called Muslims Against the Crusades had launched a campaign to
turn 12 British cities into You are entering a Sharia controlled zone: Islamic rules enforced.' "And
on and on go the stories - fact-based reporting by reputable sources -
of areas in Europe that indisputably amount to what Jindal carefully and
accurately said were "so-called 'no-go zones.' "

Yet when Jindal
dared say it, in this era where President Barack Obama insists that it
is a horrible sin of insensitivity to identify terrorists and
lawbreakers as being Islamist, the wrath of a herd-mentality media came
down on Jindal's head. One would have thought, from reading the
fulminations against him, that Jindal was prevaricating and demagoguing
like, oh, maybe Bill Clinton.

All over the country, the columnists spewed forth to blast him,
saying there is no truth in his assertions. Here at home, Louisiana
papers have accused him of "fact-famished scandal-mongering," among other alleged crimes against good taste.
But
as shown above, Jindal's claims, far from being empty, are based on a
veritable cornucopia of facts. After all, the French government itself
maintains a Web page called the "Atlas des Zones urbaines sensibles," meaning a listing of "sensitive urban zones," 751 of them containing 5 million inhabitants, where police lack some control.

Indeed,
as long ago as 2002, center-left columnist David Ignatius, in the New
York Times - a winner of the Legion of Honor from the French Republic,
no less - was writing that "Arab gangs regularly vandalize synagogues"
in France while the heavily Muslim/North African suburbs there "have
become no-go zones at night, and the French continue to shrug their
shoulders."

So what did Jindal say that was wrong? Why should he
apologize? Rather than being ashamed of our governor, Louisianans in
this case should be proud of him for cutting through the ignorant fog of
euphemisms and for confronting the cowardly kowtowing to purveyors of a
brutish ideology. Like Ronald Reagan bravely and rightly calling the
Soviet Union an "evil empire," Jindal was telling a crucial truth.

The
truth, as Jindal put it (after obligatory words differentiating
moderate Muslims from extremists), is this: "Radical Islamists do not
believe in freedom or common decency nor are they willing to accommodate
them in any way and anywhere." And: "Sharia law is not just different
than our law, it's not just a cultural difference, it is oppression and
it is wrong. It subjugates women and treats them as property, and it is
antithetical to valuing all of human life equally."

Jindal is right. Deal with it. And stop caterwauling.

"an inconvenient truth"
 
ROFL


Funny you should cite to Daniel Pipes, since the term "no go zones" arguably first appeared on his website.

Even funnier, however, is the fact that Daniel Pipes himself has long since retracted his characterization of areas in France as "no go zones." Less than two weeks ago he said this when asked about the supposed "no go zones" in France:

"I have visited predominantly immigrant (and largely Muslim) areas of Athens, Berlin, Brussels, Copenhagen, the Hague, Malmö, Paris, and Stockholm.​ In the case of Paris, I spent time both in Belleville and in such suburbs as Sarcelles, Val d'Oise, and Seine Saint Denis. I have also visited the equivalent areas of Dearborn, Michigan, and Sydney, Australia, plus analogous areas of Israel, including Jaffa, Nazareth, eastern Jerusalem, Baqa al-Gharbiya, and Umm al-Fahm.


Before my travels, I expected these areas to be similar to the worst areas of the United States, such as the Bronx or Detroit, where buildings are decrepit, streets menacing, and outsiders feel distinctly unwelcome.


My experiences starting in 2007 belied this expectation. All the immigrant areas turned out to be well maintained, with safe streets, and no sense of intimidation. I walked around, usually with camera in hand, and felt at ease. I encountered no difficulties at all.


That said, there is a reason why the French government calls these regions sensibles (sensitive, delicate). They contain many social pathologies (unemployment, drugs, political extremism), they seethe with antagonism toward the majority society, and are prone to outbreaks of violence.


So, from an American point of view, these areas are a bit confusing: potentially dangerous, yes, but in normal times very ordinary looking and with no sense of foreboding. Thus, the term no-go zone does not accurately reflect the situation."


Jindal is a buffoon. Like you, all he can do is spout off garbage he has heard elsewhere, and when pressed for examples he (like you) fails to come up with anything.

p.s. Instead of cutting and pasting and ENTIRE op-ed piece from a failed right-wing politician (Quin Hillyer), post something useful. I would suggest sticking to sports, or maybe food and drink. Or better yet, just go away.
 
Re: ROFL

Originally posted by Noodle:

Funny you should cite to Daniel Pipes, since the term "no go zones" arguably first appeared on his website.

Even funnier, however, is the fact that Daniel Pipes himself has long since retracted his characterization of areas in France as "no go zones." Less than two weeks ago he said this when asked about the supposed "no go zones" in France:

"I have visited predominantly immigrant (and largely Muslim) areas of Athens, Berlin, Brussels, Copenhagen, the Hague, Malmö, Paris, and Stockholm.​ In the case of Paris, I spent time both in Belleville and in such suburbs as Sarcelles, Val d'Oise, and Seine Saint Denis. I have also visited the equivalent areas of Dearborn, Michigan, and Sydney, Australia, plus analogous areas of Israel, including Jaffa, Nazareth, eastern Jerusalem, Baqa al-Gharbiya, and Umm al-Fahm.


Before my travels, I expected these areas to be similar to the worst areas of the United States, such as the Bronx or Detroit, where buildings are decrepit, streets menacing, and outsiders feel distinctly unwelcome.


My experiences starting in 2007 belied this expectation. All the immigrant areas turned out to be well maintained, with safe streets, and no sense of intimidation. I walked around, usually with camera in hand, and felt at ease. I encountered no difficulties at all.


That said, there is a reason why the French government calls these regions sensibles (sensitive, delicate). They contain many social pathologies (unemployment, drugs, political extremism), they seethe with antagonism toward the majority society, and are prone to outbreaks of violence.


So, from an American point of view, these areas are a bit confusing: potentially dangerous, yes, but in normal times very ordinary looking and with no sense of foreboding. Thus, the term no-go zone does not accurately reflect the situation."


Jindal is a buffoon. Like you, all he can do is spout off garbage he has heard elsewhere, and when pressed for examples he (like you) fails to come up with anything.

p.s. Instead of cutting and pasting and ENTIRE op-ed piece from a failed right-wing politician (Quin Hillyer), post something useful. I would suggest sticking to sports, or maybe food and drink. Or better yet, just go away.
I would like him to start posting entire op-ed pieces on food and drink.
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Re: ROFL

Originally posted by Noodle:



p.s. Instead of cutting and pasting and ENTIRE op-ed piece from a failed right-wing politician (Quin Hillyer), post something useful.
Noodle, I agree 100%. Whenever I post an op-ed piece about a No Go Zone, the response is disbelief and ridicule. But when I post a video of a No Go Zone, all of the squealing ceases. I'm gonna stick with videos from now on.

In all candor, I was rather skeptical that these No Go Zones in Europe could actually keep the police out. But go to the 2:30 point in the following video and watch these Islamic thugs in a Marsailles NGZ go after French police armed with shotguns.

No Go Zone in Marsailles
 
Re: ROFL

Originally posted by buygreekbonds:

Noodle, I agree 100%. Whenever I post an op-ed piece about a No Go Zone, the response is disbelief and ridicule. But when I post a video of a No Go Zone, all of the squealing ceases. I'm gonna stick with videos from now on.
Do you know why this is? It's because none of us waste the time to click the link and watch the video.
 
Re: ROFL

I watched your video.
And you know these individuals were "Islamic thugs" how?

This post was edited on 1/29 3:40 PM by BTFU1986
 
Re: ROFL

Originally posted by BTFU1986:
I watched your video.
And you know these individuals were "Islamic thugs" how?
Before I answer your question, back to the central issue. That was a No Go Zone. Period. Case closed.

How do I know the thugs in the video were Islamic? Well, they were black dudes in Marseille and good old Wikipedia explains the rest....

Marseille
 
Re: ROFL

Originally posted by buygreekbonds:

How do I know the thugs in the video were Islamic? Well, they were black dudes in Marseille and good old Wikipedia explains the rest....
That's some pretty solid logic
 
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