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I would like to see Smith, Loyer and Colvin as our starting guards. I hope Painter draws up some plays to get switches for Colvin against the opposing 1 or 2 and use his size and strength to bully them. I can him struggling against experienced guards who will flop to get fouls against him because of his size.

Not surprised about Booker dropping because motor has always been his issue. Curious to see if Izzo can get him going full speed all the time especially when conference starts and he plays against Zach who will beat him up.
 
I would like to see Smith, Loyer and Colvin as our starting guards. I hope Painter draws up some plays to get switches for Colvin against the opposing 1 or 2 and use his size and strength to bully them. I can him struggling against experienced guards who will flop to get fouls against him because of his size.

Not surprised about Booker dropping because motor has always been his issue. Curious to see if Izzo can get him going full speed all the time especially when conference starts and he plays against Zach who will beat him up.
Booker was one of the few high profile, in state losses I wasn't overly upset about. I think he was rated early on based on his future projections....and then 2 years later hadn't come close to living up to those. I do think his style as a big fits more of the Izzo mold then the Painter mold so I can't fault him for his decision there.
 
Booker was one of the few high profile, in state losses I wasn't overly upset about. I think he was rated early on based on his future projections....and then 2 years later hadn't come close to living up to those. I do think his style as a big fits more of the Izzo mold then the Painter mold so I can't fault him for his decision there.
I don't know. Paint had Haarms & JJ and did great with both. Izzo has had some bangers as well. He has recruited some of the same recruits as Paint, but he seems to land them.
 
Garwey Dual shot up the rankings to #30. He was local once upon a time (Carmel???) and commited to Providence, but has since decommitted. I wonder if the staff has any interest in him. Fantastic defender with a ton of offensive upside. Very atheltic.
I couldn't imagine him coming our way as a potential back-up. It would be nice to have someone of his caliber join this team.
 
I couldn't imagine him coming our way as a potential back-up. It would be nice to have someone of his caliber join this team.

To my knowledge coaches haven't watched/recruited him in a long while. Thus, zero shot unless things change with our coaches recruiting.

But it should be noted.... that's on coaches if he turns out like people think he might.
 
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Just my opinion, but I think Colvin projects more as a 2 in college. I expect Heide to challenge Morton at the 3, and hope that he starts by season's end.
I think the 2 and 3 are pretty interchangeable in Painter's (and most other college) offense.

I don't see Smith or Loyer out of the starting 5 at the 1 and 2. Like others have stated they had great overall Freshman seasons and with a summer on the weights they could make another jump next year.

Reading into Painters comments about needing speed and athleticism, I 'd say their is a fairly good chance either Miles, Heide, or Jones take that 3rd peremiter spot and Morton is off the bench.

One thing to consider about Miles though is that he has played some low level HS and AAU. If he wants to start for Painter he will need to grasp the offensive plays and defensive rules. Not sure how prepared he is for that and he might have a longer learning curve than some of the past talented Freshman for that reason.
 
Reading into Painters comments about needing speed and athleticism, I 'd say their is a fairly good chance either Miles, Heide, or Jones take that 3rd peremiter spot and Morton is off the bench.

Hope so.

Morton is closer to the exact opposite of speed & athletiscm, than not, so we will see if that is just coach speak or he is serious about speed & athletiscm. Thus, Morton's minutes will be an interesting barometer for real changes?? He got ~25 mpg last year. It will surprise me greatly if it goes below 15 mpg.

Conversely, I do agree that Colvin has a big learning curve.
 
I think the 2 and 3 are pretty interchangeable in Painter's (and most other college) offense.

I don't see Smith or Loyer out of the starting 5 at the 1 and 2. Like others have stated they had great overall Freshman seasons and with a summer on the weights they could make another jump next year.

Reading into Painters comments about needing speed and athleticism, I 'd say their is a fairly good chance either Miles, Heide, or Jones take that 3rd peremiter spot and Morton is off the bench.

One thing to consider about Miles though is that he has played some low level HS and AAU. If he wants to start for Painter he will need to grasp the offensive plays and defensive rules. Not sure how prepared he is for that and he might have a longer learning curve than some of the past talented Freshman for that reason.
I'm guessing that Heide is ahead of Colvin. I won't be surprised if Ethan starts early in the season, but the other two will get plenty of minutes which may mean Colvin "sometimes" at a 2 and possibly Heide "sometimes" at a 4 assuming Zack is back. Matt may surprise us and not start Ethan early in the season...and all this is assuming Ethan doesn't improve much. I expect the 3 to be better this year and hope to see the 4 man with not only a perimeter catch and shoot, but the ability to drive the ball for 2 maybe 3 dribbles depending on the defender and be a threat off the dribble to score with jump hooks, up and unders and drop steps and mid range jump shots WITHOUT backing the defender down either with some distance on the catch or a reverse pivot if enough space in mid range to face up and drive the ball.
 
Painter needs to continue to evolve and let explosive talent like Myles learn while playing v learning from observing on the bench.

Evolve? Talent has always played under CMP. With baby Boilers, with Ivey, with CE, with B. Smith. They all made errors, but the good by far out weighed the bad.

Unless he is totally lost on D like some frosh are from time to time, he plays. (I remember Smith, from Ohio, as a frosh-so bad on D it was comical) ...surely MC's athleticism will allow him to be more like CE and less like Ohio Smith, even if kinda lost on D occasionally.
 
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Morton can come off the bench. Gillis has the build of 3,

needs to develop into a 3. Purdue would play a much more explosive

style next year if Edey is gone. Jones, Heide, and Colvin look very

athletic! Interesting to see if Heide can play the 4 with his athleticism.

Furst and Kaufman-Renn have tons of untapped potential. Waddell

certainly looked good before his knee injury in practice. He is better

than Morton easily when healthy. Not Hummel good but in the same

mold. Ideally would be nice to get another combo guard from the portal.

Show me 3 other 3's built like Mason Gillis? The kid is 230lbs of rock muscle. and you expect him to chase swingmen around? Not..
TKR, Furst and Gillis already there, but you want to see Heide play the 4...... hmmmm
 
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I don't know. Paint had Haarms & JJ and did great with both. Izzo has had some bangers as well. He has recruited some of the same recruits as Paint, but he seems to land them.
Why would Booker want to come here and compete with Edey, TKR and Furst for playing time at the 5?
 
Painter needs to continue to evolve and let explosive talent like Myles learn while playing v learning from observing on the bench.
Yeah most people learn by doing, not watching. Which is why the colts need to play Richardson this year no matter how raw he is…
 
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Why would Booker want to come here and compete with Edey, TKR and Furst for playing time at the 5?
It was in response to this.....

"I do think his style as a big fits more of the Izzo mold then the Painter mold so I can't fault him for his decision there"

Had nothing to do with getting Booker but to the style comment.
 
Show me 3 other 3's built like Mason Gillis? The kid is 230lbs of rock muscle. and you expect him to chase swingmen around? Not..
TKR, Furst and Gillis already there, but you want to see Heide play the 4...... hmmmm
Mason is 6'6'', not a great leaper, that is a 3. Get down to 220 and

play against others his own height and size. Heide is 6'7'' and

supposedly a very good leaper, a 3 that could play the 4, too.

I want to see Kaufman-Renn and Furst play together. No more

6'6'' power forwards that don't jump well. Gillis could be like

Mike Robinson (Purdue 2000) with a 3 point shot.
 
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Mason is 6'6'', not a great leaper, that is a 3. Get down to 220 and

play against others his own height and size. Heide is 6'7'' and

supposedly a very good leaper, a 3 that could play the 4, too.

I want to see Kaufman-Renn and Furst play together. No more

6'6'' power forwards that don't jump well. Gillis could be like

Mike Robinson (Purdue 2000) with a 3 point shot.
Actually, IMO Mike was more effective around the rim. FWIW, had Mike practiced what Ernie Hobbie showed him, he wold have been a good 3pt shooter. I saw with my own eyes the improvement while working with Ernie.
 
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But Mike did play the 3 with Cardinal at the 4 and McQuay at the 5.

Gillis could be a great 3 for Purdue.
Mike played the 3 as you said and was a bit more fluid with the dribble than Mason. Mason is a more physical rebounder, but Mike was effective around the rim and a quicker jumper. My main point was that Mike could have been a better shooter because after about 40 minutes with Ernie instructing and me rebounding I saw Mike drain one after another standing out of bounds on the baseline as he worked deeper and deeper. His improvement was GREAT, but he obvviously didn't work on the things Ernie did. The major emphasis for Mike was getting his legs into the shot and did some chair work. Then Ernie would say his well honed line, "No Stance, No Chance!"
 
I get what you are saying about Mike and shooting the 3.

Mason still is only 6'6''. Robinson was not so much a quicker leaper as

he was smart in timing when he jumped. Mason could be more fluid, too.

And he has a 3 point shot. Purdue has no business having a 6'6'' power forward.

Gillis could make a great 3. Coach Keady would have him playing the 3.
3's need to be able to handle the ball decently and stay in front quick 2's and 3's defensively. Neither are Mason's strengths.

Jumping has nothing to do with what position you are.

Mason is an undersized stretch 4. Sure he could slide to the 3 if matchups dictate it, Painter is using him perfectly for what he is IMO.
 
Evolve? Talent has always played under CMP. With baby Boilers, with Ivey, with CE, with B. Smith. They all made errors, but the good by far out weighed the bad.

Unless he is totally lost on D like some frosh are from time to time, he plays. (I remember Smith, from Ohio, as a frosh-so bad on D it was comical) ...surely MC's athleticism will allow him to be more like CE and less like Ohio Smith, even if kinda lost on D occasionally.
WISDOM!
 
Actually, IMO Mike was more effective around the rim. FWIW, had Mike practiced what Ernie Hobbie showed him, he wold have been a good 3pt shooter. I saw with my own eyes the improvement while working with Ernie.
BINGO
 
3's need to be able to handle the ball decently and stay in front quick 2's and 3's defensively. Neither are Mason's strengths.

Jumping has nothing to do with what position you are.

Mason is an undersized stretch 4. Sure he could slide to the 3 if matchups dictate it, Painter is using him perfectly for what he is IMO.
We all have our opinion. I would rather have a 6'8''ish guy at the 4.

Give me Kaufman-Renn at the 4 and Furst at the 5
 
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We all have our opinion. I would rather have a 6'8''ish guy at the 4.

Give me Kaufman-Renn at the 4 and Furst at the 5
Oh, I wasn't saying Gillis should be our starting 4 by any means. I like Gillis and happy he's on the team. For us to be at our best though, I think Furst and TKR need to be our options at the 4 assuming they step up...Furst especially as he really faded towards the end of the season.
 
3's need to be able to handle the ball decently and stay in front quick 2's and 3's defensively. Neither are Mason's strengths.

Jumping has nothing to do with what position you are.

Mason is an undersized stretch 4. Sure he could slide to the 3 if matchups dictate it, Painter is using him perfectly for what he is IMO.
@collegehoopsfan123 IMO I think of the skill set dictating the position, not size or athleticism. I consider size and athleticism or lack of weighing on the effectiveness of that skill set in that position...
 
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My guess is that Heide starts at the three. If he hadn’t had the injury setback, I think there’s a good chance that he would have started last year. I think he’ll be that big, physical, athletic, scoring wing that Purdue has often been missing.
I’d like to see him at the 4, with Colvin at the 3.
 
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