"neutral" game BS

[SYoumans]

Penn State chose to move one of their home games to a different venue because they obviously saw some net positive effect vs. their home base. Coaches don't voluntarily make decisions that they believe are detrimental to their program. It's the basic law of self-interest. So why then would they get the ADDED benefit of getting to call it a neutral court game? That's ridiculous. It clearly was not a neutral court.

Why doesn't Purdue just schedule most of its home games at West Lafayette High School's gym? We could get the "Quad 1" benefits of playing our home games on a neutral court while still clearly enjoying a home court advantage.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Same reason we get the Davidson game in Indy as neutral. Philadelphia is over 3 hours away from State College.

This is not worth whining about.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if that game eventually turns into a Quad 1. Penn State is currently 63. 50 is Quad 1 for neutral games.

 

[bitsycs]

I thought the broadcast mentioned last night that the ncaa would be looking into it for net rankings as a home game since PSU handled all the ticketing and something else (I wasn’t paying super close attention).

 

[Indy_Rider]

I thought the broadcast mentioned last night that the ncaa would be looking into it for net rankings as a home game since PSU handled all the ticketing and something else (I wasn’t paying super close attention).

I believe they were saying they should, not that they wound. But so far, officially listed as a neutral site game.

PSU also handled all the pregame video and festivities, so it was just like they were playing a home game. That was the other part besides ticketing that they mentioned.

 

[Gman544]

Plus the crowd was almost all for Penn State. It's three hours from campus but three are 50,000 plus grads in the metro area and many others who are not grads that would root for in state PSU vs some Midwestern school.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Plus the crowd was almost all for Penn State. It's three hours from campus but three are 50,000 plus grads in the metro area and many others who are not grads that would root for in state PSU vs some Midwestern school.

I'm sure there were more Purdue fans in the Palestra than Davidson fans at Gainbridge.

 

[SYoumans]

Same reason we get the Davidson game in Indy as neutral. Philadelphia is over 3 hours away from State College.

This is not worth whining about.

It's definitely worth complaining about if there's a razor-thin margin between 1/2 seed or 2/3 seed come March.

Not a good analogy with Davidson either. Purdue never had the right to play them at Mackey, but then decided to move it to Indianapolis. If that WERE the case then, yes, that should be considered a home game for Purdue. Purdue didn't have control over the ticket sales in Indianapolis either, which is a huge factor.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

It's definitely worth complaining about if there's a razor-thin margin between 1/2 seed or 2/3 seed come March.

Not a good analogy with Davidson either. Purdue never had the right to play them at Mackey, but then decided to move it to Indianapolis. If that WERE the case then, yes, that should be considered a home game for Purdue. Purdue didn't have control over the ticket sales in Indianapolis either, which is a huge factor.

What's more important when judging "home court"? Control of tickets or actual butts in seats?

Agree to disagree I guess. IMO this will not be an issue. The committee isn't going to say, "Oh no, that win doesn't mean as much because it was technically neutral!!!!!!" They're human beings. They're going to see that Purdue won by 13 in a road environment.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

What's more important when judging "home court"? Control of tickets or actual butts in seats?

Agree to disagree I guess. IMO this will not be an issue. The committee isn't going to say, "Oh no, that win doesn't mean as much because it was technically neutral!!!!!!" They're human beings. They're going to see that Purdue won by 13 in a road environment.

Good points on both sides of this, but as mentioned, it could affect the overall NET ranking for Purdue. Tend to agree in the end, I don't think it will matter either way.....when you look at the complete picture/resume. In other words, the chance it would change a seed/line or S-curve position for Purdue - remote I guess.....but hey, when it's Purdue, you never know for sure.

 

[Abugabby]

What's more important when judging "home court"? Control of tickets or actual butts in seats?

Agree to disagree I guess. IMO this will not be an issue. The committee isn't going to say, "Oh no, that win doesn't mean as much because it was technically neutral!!!!!!" They're human beings. They're going to see that Purdue won by 13 in a road environment.

It's not the committee...it's the NET scores that are a contributing factor to seeding. Obviously a Quad 1 win is better than a Quad 2, and that game should DEFINITELY be a Quad 1 win.

 

[rgarlitz]

I don't know that it's really going to matter in the end, but I would be interested in hearing Painter's take on this. The B1G originally scheduled this as a home game for PSU and a road game for Purdue. Presumably, it was Penn State's idea to change the venue (which totally makes sense for them, especially during winter break). Did Purdue have to agree to it? Did Painter know that moving the game to Philly would change it's designation from home to neutral?

I wouldn't be surprised if it's easier/cheaper to go from Rutgers to Philly back to West Lafayette than Rutgers to State College to West Lafayette. Maybe Painter preferred playing at a packed Palestra over a mostly-empty BJC. Maybe Pinter just agreed to it to help an old friend. Maybe all of those things were considerations.

 

[Hausta01]

Purdue keeps winning it doesn't make a difference if it's Q1 or Q2. Go 17-3 and win the BTT and we are a 1 seed, the PSU game's location is irrelevant

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

*** Did Purdue have to agree to it? Did Painter know that moving the game to Philly would change it's designation from home to neutral?

***

First question - yes

Second question - don't know, but I'd hasten to wager his response would be something along the lines of "I don't care, we're doing this."

 

[Wolegib]

I believe Purdue should worry more about being able to beat a 16th seed rather than where they play their games or what their tournament seed is going to be. In the past it didn’t really matter what ncaa seed Purdue was given .

 

[Chi-Boiler]

It's not the committee...it's the NET scores that are a cotributing factor to seeding. Obviously a Quad 1 win is better than a Quad 2, and that game should DEFINITELY be a Quad 1 win.

But there are still humans making the seeding decisions. The NET is simply a tool. If and when they talk about it, they will know where the game was played.

 

[Chauncey Hill]

This is not worth whining about.

Ding ding ding . . . I am insanely jealous of the amount of free time some people apparently have

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Purdue keeps winning it doesn't make a difference if it's Q1 or Q2. Go 17-3 and win the BTT and we are a 1 seed, the PSU game's location is irrelevant

Valid. If we lose a bunch of games, it won't be because of a sliver of a difference in metrics that drops our seed.

 

[Dryfly88]

Ding ding ding . . . I am insanely jealous of the amount of free time some people apparently have

I'm jealous of the free time you had to post that.......

 

[SYoumans]

But there are still humans making the seeding decisions. The NET is simply a tool. If and when they talk about it, they will know where the game was played.

The Committee doesn't run through the entire schedule of every team and grade each W and L and discuss in detail. That's exactly why they use summary metrics like Quad 1 and Quad 2. You hear the Committee cite "Quad 1" wins every year when questioned about their decisions so, yes, it matters.

 

[SYoumans]

Ding ding ding . . . I am insanely jealous of the amount of free time some people apparently have

I used my time to post something substantive. You used yours to post a useless dig. Maybe you don't have enough free time because you waste your time on useless activities.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

The Committee doesn't run through the entire schedule of every team and grade each W and L and discuss in detail. That's exactly why they use summary metrics like Quad 1 and Quad 2. You hear the Committee cite "Quad 1" wins every year when questioned about their decisions so, yes, it matters.

Of course not, but they can see things like this case and say, "Hey, that win against Penn State might as well have been a road game." The NET is only a tool. They do actually talk about teams and not just the numbers. Or else St. Mary's is a 2-seed right now. Take a look at their resume and tell me whether they should be.

 

[SYoumans]

Of course not, but they can see things like this case and say, "Hey, that win against Penn State might as well have been a road game." The NET is only a tool. They do actually talk about teams and not just the numbers. Or else St. Mary's is a 2-seed right now. Take a look at their resume and tell me whether they should be.

I think you made my point. To my knowledge, St. Mary's has zero Quad 1 wins, which is why the Committee would not give them a 2-seed, despite what their NET rating is.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

My point is that there are a lot of factors, and the human one is part of it. That's why I'm not quibbling over this.

 

[Abugabby]

Ding ding ding . . . I am insanely jealous of the amount of free time some people apparently have

And yet you wasted some of your imminently valuable spare time reading and replying.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

I think you made my point. To my knowledge, St. Mary's has zero Quad 1 wins, which is why the Committee would not give them a 2-seed, despite what their NET rating is.

The odd thing here is that I'm usually the one parsing rankings and getting anal-retentive about the process. I'm following Milwaukee's season in the hopes that they stay Q3 now that they're there. But this situation seems different to me. It's a conference game, not at home, and the humans will look past the Quad ranking if they need to.

Plus I stand by my original assertion that Penn State will be top 50 by seasons end.

 

[cgnops]

Who cares. Keep winning and all of those will be “good wins.” Lose games and it’s all moot. Just keep winning, end of story.

 

[user18563]

Seems dumb to me that a conference game can be considered neutral. Every team plays 10 home 10 away, but now Purdue will play more home games than Penn State will - big disadvantage to the Lions! Not to mention that it is physically impossible for Penn State's normal arena to fill up past 30% or be loud enough that I can hear more than 4 students screaming on the mic at any one time.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

NET updated to a road game for us.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

NET updated to a road game for us.

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Pretty cool!

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

NET updated to a road game for us.

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[Gemini95]

Well shit now what will we whine and argue about?

 

[ChoiceBeef]

Well shit now what will we whine and argue about?

The week is still young..... we will find something

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

The week is still young..... we will find something

week? today, Beef.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

week? today, Beef.

Stop trying to one up my posts.

 

[arcb102000]

I don't know that it's really going to matter in the end, but I would be interested in hearing Painter's take on this. The B1G originally scheduled this as a home game for PSU and a road game for Purdue. Presumably, it was Penn State's idea to change the venue (which totally makes sense for them, especially during winter break). Did Purdue have to agree to it? Did Painter know that moving the game to Philly would change it's designation from home to neutral?

I wouldn't be surprised if it's easier/cheaper to go from Rutgers to Philly back to West Lafayette than Rutgers to State College to West Lafayette. Maybe Painter preferred playing at a packed Palestra over a mostly-empty BJC. Maybe Pinter just agreed to it to help an old friend. Maybe all of those things were considerations.

Rutgers (New Brunswick) is on I-95 and only about an hour from Philadelphia by car. You could take Amtrak to Philadelphia in about 30-40 minutes. Rutgers to State College is more than 2 hours, closer to 3.