NCAA Tourney Preparation

[MidyearVette]

Purdue needs to focus on 3 things in preparation for the NCAA's:

1) handling the full court press
2) handling the full court press
3) handling the full court press

Why more Big 10 opponents didn't press Purdue is a mystery. You know we're going to see it if we have a modest lead with a few minutes to play, or maybe even from the opening tip. "One and Done" if we don't get this straightened out!!!

 

[rgarlitz]

I don't thing Purdue has done that poorly against the press this year. I know they got a little lackadaisical near the end last night, but I don't think it's been as big a problem this year as last.

Protecting the ball in the paint is the one thing I would focus on the most.

 

[PUBV]

Purdue needs to focus on 3 things in preparation for the NCAA's:

1) handling the full court press
2) handling the full court press
3) handling the full court press

Why more Big 10 opponents didn't press Purdue is a mystery. You know we're going to see it if we have a modest lead with a few minutes to play, or maybe even from the opening tip. "One and Done" if we don't get this straightened out!!!

Absolutely, hope we draw Iowa sometime in the BTT. I'm sure we practice it, but the actual game time prep would be invaluable.

 

[lbodel]

Purdue needs to focus on 3 things in preparation for the NCAA's:

1) handling the full court press
2) handling the full court press
3) handling the full court press

Why more Big 10 opponents didn't press Purdue is a mystery. You know we're going to see it if we have a modest lead with a few minutes to play, or maybe even from the opening tip. "One and Done" if we don't get this straightened out!!!

Yes and no. The thing with full court press - similar to all the cries for a zone - is that you need the right personnel AND need to be experienced with it to really be effective most of the times.

That being said, usually you will know if you're going to face a team that does the full court press effectively, so you can prepare. Teams can throw it at you here and there, but unless they really have the personnel - it'd be hard to really just come up with it a few days prior to playing Purdue.

Also, as others have mentioned, it wasn't as big of a deal when we've faced it before, but we also haven't seen it a lot.

I'm much more concerned about teams throwing bodies at Swanigan. Penn State did it very effectively (granted, had athletic guys they could use effectively) and really minimized his contribution.

 

[depthcharge623]

We did see it quite a bit in pre-conference play IIRC, and I remember thinking we played well against it. The group, and each player as a whole have gotten better at handling it, and also Carsen really has the handles and speed to be able to break it. I don't feel nearly as worried about the full-court press as I did last year. Honestly, I'm more worried about seeing an aggressive half-court defense that chases our shooters off the line, like Michigan did. We will see though.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

We did see it quite a bit in pre-conference play IIRC, and I remember thinking we played well against it. The group, and each player as a whole have gotten better at handling it, and also Carsen really has the handles and speed to be able to break it. I don't feel nearly as worried about the full-court press as I did last year. Honestly, I'm more worried about seeing an aggressive half-court defense that chases our shooters off the line, like Michigan did. We will see though.

That was essentially my take as well. VE and CS were also more active at necessary times to alleviate pressure, and Purdue also looked to attack more often, leading to a score. Still can look a little shaky at times but not nearly the disaster it appeared to be last year. I would love to see the same attack mode if it happens in the half-court (which it will at some point)....that's where CE and VE could do some damage, IMO, if they're under control.

 

[GS Thomas]

Purdue needs to focus on 3 things in preparation for the NCAA's:

1) handling the full court press
2) handling the full court press
3) handling the full court press

Why more Big 10 opponents didn't press Purdue is a mystery. You know we're going to see it if we have a modest lead with a few minutes to play, or maybe even from the opening tip. "One and Done" if we don't get this straightened out!!!

Purdue has effectively beaten pressure all year. Don't let Dakich's hot air blur reality. Purdue struggled mightily with the press...last year. This year, not so much. Teams that press Purdue are likely going to give up easy buckets when Purdue breaks it and that is why more teams do not press.

 

[tjreese]

Purdue needs to focus on 3 things in preparation for the NCAA's:

1) handling the full court press
2) handling the full court press
3) handling the full court press

Why more Big 10 opponents didn't press Purdue is a mystery. You know we're going to see it if we have a modest lead with a few minutes to play, or maybe even from the opening tip. "One and Done" if we don't get this straightened out!!!

Perhaps you have your answer in your question. All these coaches know what Purdue has and sees it a little different than the couple of years in the past. That doesn't mean it might not be successful, just that the coaches do not see the odds like they did adn that is due to older ball handlers and a quick Carsen mostly. Now if Biggie went down to fouls and such and Haas had to play to match size elsewhere...then teams might think Haas is not going to move in space and can gamble more.

I think Carsen if not dribbling through doubles that are closing the gap too close provides the quickness Purdue needs. When Purdue had Ronnie JOhnson...teams didn't press and that was because of his quickness. Purdue had a couple of years where the press really hurt Purdue adn hopefully they are in teh rear view mirror...although I think anytime it is placed on for a possession or so as a surprise could steal a turnover or so...

 

[tjreese]

Purdue has effectively beaten pressure all year. Don't let Dakich's hot air blur reality. Purdue struggled mightily with the press...last year. This year, not so much. Teams that press Purdue are likely going to give up easy buckets when Purdue breaks it and that is why more teams do not press.

true, but what "maybe" he is getting at is to eat clock...deny initial post feeds hard and try to make the clock become a factor in feeding the post.

 

[nagemj02]

Purdue needs to focus on 3 things in preparation for the NCAA's:

1) handling the full court press
2) handling the full court press
3) handling the full court press

Why more Big 10 opponents didn't press Purdue is a mystery. You know we're going to see it if we have a modest lead with a few minutes to play, or maybe even from the opening tip. "One and Done" if we don't get this straightened out!!!

I would say their best NCAA Tournament preparation would be to play 34 games in advance of it. They should be prepared after that.

 

[nagemj02]

true, but what "maybe" he is getting at is to eat clock...deny initial post feeds hard and try to make the clock become a factor in feeding the post.

I just hope the team doesn't start eating the clock more often than usual down the stretch this season, which is something Painter has been prone to instruct in the past by way of his conservative approach. Bottom line: this team plays better when they're not concerned with milking the clock.

Boiler Up

 

[mathboy]

Purdue needs to focus on 3 things in preparation for the NCAA's:

1) handling the full court press
2) handling the full court press
3) handling the full court press

Why more Big 10 opponents didn't press Purdue is a mystery. You know we're going to see it if we have a modest lead with a few minutes to play, or maybe even from the opening tip. "One and Done" if we don't get this straightened out!!!

Good idea. The press IU threw at us cost us... oh wait... no turnovers and a couple easy baskets? I think these boogie men can be safely put to bed now. The big bad press hiding under the bed doesn't seem to have the same effect as last year.

 

[MidyearVette]

Well guys, you all watch 20 times as much Purdue Basketball as I do, so you must know what you're talking about. If we blow an 8 point lead with 2 minutes to play against some #12 seed like Western Carolina (I'm dating myself here - we almost lost to #16 Western Carolina in OT back in '96) then I will be revisiting the board and you'll have some "splainin' to do, Lucy!

Good luck Boilers! And you guys on campus enjoy yourselves no matter what - best time of my life was the time I spent at Purdue!

 

[GS Thomas]

true, but what "maybe" he is getting at is to eat clock...deny initial post feeds hard and try to make the clock become a factor in feeding the post.

Press is no different than zone D; if you don't have the personnel or practice it, you don't just bust it out in a game. Most teams don't have a press ready to roll for the reasons you outlined. They only use them in times of desperation.

 

[nagemj02]

There are times when they have to pass more than once but CBoogie (aka Carsen Edwards) is a one-man press-breaker, so he's a good starting point versus any pressing or trapping Purdue will see from this point forward.

 

[tjreese]

Well guys, you all watch 20 times as much Purdue Basketball as I do, so you must know what you're talking about. If we blow an 8 point lead with 2 minutes to play against some #12 seed like Western Carolina (I'm dating myself here - we almost lost to #16 Western Carolina in OT back in '96) then I will be revisiting the board and you'll have some "splainin' to do, Lucy!

Good luck Boilers! And you guys on campus enjoy yourselves no matter what - best time of my life was the time I spent at Purdue!

if the refs swallow the whistle ALL presses become more effective...

 

[boilerzz]

Purdue needs to focus on 3 things in preparation for the NCAA's:

1) handling the full court press
2) handling the full court press
3) handling the full court press

Why more Big 10 opponents didn't press Purdue is a mystery.

Perhaps its because the presses that were thrown at Purdue this year were largely ineffective. I bet Purdue had less than 10 TO's against the press all year.

 

[Chauncey1986]

Purdue needs to focus on 3 things in preparation for the NCAA's:

1) handling the full court press
2) handling the full court press
3) handling the full court press

Why more Big 10 opponents didn't press Purdue is a mystery. You know we're going to see it if we have a modest lead with a few minutes to play, or maybe even from the opening tip. "One and Done" if we don't get this straightened out!!!

Someone last night made the comment about why teams don't press Purdue more.. cough cough. On the other hand, I think that we are better prepared to handle it this year in the tournament. We have Spike to help alleviate the pain.

 

[Dakota Girl]

I don't think we've been that bad either. When the press comes i bring in PJ, Spike, Carsen, Dakota, and the fifth player is chosen based on the matchup. I want the ball in Carsens hands against any man press and him as a pass to guy against a zone. Speed kills.

 

[nagemj02]

Someone last night made the comment about why teams don't press Purdue more.. cough cough. On the other hand, I think that we are better prepared to handle it this year in the tournament. We have Spike to help alleviate the pain.

...and Carsen Edwards

You may have seen him blowing by IU's desperation diamond-and-1 press last night.

 

[nagemj02]

I don't think we've been that bad either. When the press comes i bring in PJ, Spike, Carsen, Dakota, and the fifth player is chosen based on the matchup. I want the ball in Carsens hands against any man press and him as a pass to guy against a zone. Speed kills.

"i"?

 

[tjreese]

I don't think we've been that bad either. When the press comes i bring in PJ, Spike, Carsen, Dakota, and the fifth player is chosen based on the matchup. I want the ball in Carsens hands against any man press and him as a pass to guy against a zone. Speed kills.

one good ball handler can beat a man press...and Carsen has the speed to beat it bad

 

[77 grad]

We're a different team than last year against the press, having added C-Boogie and Spike. PJ has improved, as have our more-experienced bigs and wings placing themselves to take outlet passes.

A good press can still give us trouble and a great press can break down anyone. I feel more confident in us this year, but no team's immune.

 

[PUBV]

All right, if you all say the press is a non factor this year than I will take your words for it. But if we draw say WVU in the tourney and a bunch of you are a bitchin because it ain't a good matchup cause they press but you've said we are better BUT they are really good at pressing, well I will stick a needle in my eye & pith my itty bitty brain. No caveats, NO CAVEATS!!!

 

[boilerzz]

All right, if you all say the press is a non factor this year than I will take your words for it. But if we draw say WVU in the tourney and a bunch of you are a bitchin because it ain't a good matchup cause they press but you've said we are better BUT they are really good at pressing, well I will stick a needle in my eye & pith my itty bitty brain. No caveats, NO CAVEATS!!!

The difference is WVU presses as part of their standard package and almost everyone struggles with it.

 

[lbodel]

All right, if you all say the press is a non factor this year than I will take your words for it. But if we draw say WVU in the tourney and a bunch of you are a bitchin because it ain't a good matchup cause they press but you've said we are better BUT they are really good at pressing, well I will stick a needle in my eye & pith my itty bitty brain. No caveats, NO CAVEATS!!!

Nobody is saying it's not an issue. It's just, as the person above stated, that is the strategy that WVU has in general. They practice it every day, they run it every game, they recruit kids that fit the system to do it.

If Purdue just randomly started pressing teams, they would not be good at it.

Thus, teams that just randomly start pressing Purdue probably won't have a lot of luck, just as they won't likely have it against most teams cause it's not something you can just pick up and be successful at it in a sustained fashion. We will know if we're playing a team that will press in advance, so we can at least prepare.

Any team can double team Swanigan and make us beat them with our other players - or if you're IU, just fall over on him. Most teams cannot just whip up an effective, sustained press on a whim.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

I don't think our execution against the press has been bad this year. Compared to recent years, it is far superior.

I agree with the above who mentioned it is critical to have the right personnel especially when we get stuck. I personally like when we have Carsen in there because of his explosiveness that makes the defense scramble which usually leads to easy baskets.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Unless Purdue runs in to a team that has a necessity to press to win (ie: it is built in to their DNA to be successful), Purdue is likely not going to see a press this season. However, if they face a team like WVU or VCU, those teams need to press to be successful. Watching VCU last night, they simply try to out-athlete teams on the defensive end and then let that athleticism take over on the offensive end. They definitely aren't as talented as they have been in the past when Shaka Smart was there but still good enough to make a run to the Sweet 16 after watching them play Dayton. Those are two teams I would like to avoid at all costs in the tourney.

 

[Dakota Girl]

"i"?

"i" is the lower case form of the ninth letter of the English alphabet. It's use by me in this context was erroneous and probably made my post nonsensical. I will give you a simile to help you understand. Lower case letters are like your wankie, they are similar to others, but smaller.

 

[lbodel]

Unless Purdue runs in to a team that has a necessity to press to win (ie: it is built in to their DNA to be successful), Purdue is likely not going to see a press this season. However, if they face a team like WVU or VCU, those teams need to press to be successful. Watching VCU last night, they simply try to out-athlete teams on the defensive end and then let that athleticism take over on the offensive end. They definitely aren't as talented as they have been in the past when Shaka Smart was there but still good enough to make a run to the Sweet 16 after watching them play Dayton. Those are two teams I would like to avoid at all costs in the tourney.

Not to jinx us here, but with these types of teams - if you prepare for it and execute pretty well, you also put yourself in a very good position (big if). A team like VCU - they aren't overly talented and try to screw you up. And if you don't crumble under the pressure, it's Emperor with no clothes-esque. WVU is a bit scarier because they do have good talent to go along with their good press, so even if you do ok against it, they have more to come at you with.

 

[nagemj02]

"i" is the lower case form of the ninth letter of the English alphabet. It's use by me in this context was erroneous and probably made my post nonsensical. I will give you a simile to help you understand. Lower case letters are like your wankie, they are similar to others, but smaller.

"i" just didn't know that you were on the coaching staff, hence the response to your post:

"When the press comes i bring in PJ, Spike, Carsen, Dakota, and the fifth player is chosen based on the matchup. I want the ball in Carsens hands against any man press and him as a pass to guy against a zone. Speed kills."

 

[BoilerAndy]

"i" is the lower case form of the ninth letter of the English alphabet. It's use by me in this context was erroneous and probably made my post nonsensical. I will give you a simile to help you understand. Lower case letters are like your wankie, they are similar to others, but smaller.

i laughed at this.

 

[Dakota Girl]

"i" just didn't know that you were on the coaching staff, hence the response to your post:

"When the press comes i bring in PJ, Spike, Carsen, Dakota, and the fifth player is chosen based on the matchup. I want the ball in Carsens hands against any man press and him as a pass to guy against a zone. Speed kills."

Yes Nags i know what you were doing. You were giving me a hard time. That's good. Relax. Have some fun. Make a joke. i can take it.
By the way, Matt, Jack, Kenny, Brandon, all the guys and i are at Bruno's tonight for a little soirée. Drop by, have a beer, i'll take you through the NW game film with the rest of the staff. i have been looking for a good zone to pitch to Matt. Help a brother out?

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Yes Nags i know what you were doing. You were giving me a hard time. That's good. Relax. Have some fun. Make a joke. i can take it.
By the way, Matt, Jack, Kenny, Brandon, all the guys and i are at Bruno's tonight for a little soirée. Drop by, have a beer, i'll take you through the NW game film with the rest of the staff. i have been looking for a good zone to pitch to Matt. Help a brother out?

Wow, you stay up late watching game film Is 3:07 am correct? I like the dedication.

 

[zigybean]

We have been preparing to meet the press all year. That is why our second exhibition was a secret scrimmage against WVU rather than an open game against a directional city/state votech community college . While not great at it, we have improved on breaking the press.

 

[tjreese]

Yes Nags i know what you were doing. You were giving me a hard time. That's good. Relax. Have some fun. Make a joke. i can take it.
By the way, Matt, Jack, Kenny, Brandon, all the guys and i are at Bruno's tonight for a little soirée. Drop by, have a beer, i'll take you through the NW game film with the rest of the staff. i have been looking for a good zone to pitch to Matt. Help a brother out?

Oh yeah...the old napkin set...

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Oh yeah...the old napkin set...

Call up Lavin and get another episode of "Taste of Coaching" going.

 

[tjreese]

Call up Lavin and get another episode of "Taste of Coaching" going.

it may have been in that conversation that they laughed about coaches drawing up things on napkins and such...

 

[Dakota Girl]

Wow, you stay up late watching game film Is 3:07 am correct? I like the dedication.

That was 5:07 here time.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

That was 5:07 here time.

oops I'm on mtn