NCAA seeding idea

[NVBoilerFan]

I really think this should be a nobrainer. The regular season champions of the P5 conferences plus the Big East should automatically be guaranteed a 1 or 2 seed. That leaves 2 available spots for either a team like Gonzaga or another deserving high end team. That would put Villanova, Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, Purdue and Oregon(they tied with Arizona, but won the tiebreaker) as locks In this scenario, it would also favor Gonzaga and Arizona as the other two teams. I think you would end up with Villanova, Kansas, UNC and Gonzaga as 1's and Purdue, UK, Arizona and Oregon as 2's.

Another idea I would like to see is for the committee to throw out both a teams worst loss and their best win. I think this gives a truer picture of the quality of said team, as many times those are outliers.

 

[FirstDownB]

I really think this should be a nobrainer. The regular season champions of the P5 conferences plus the Big East should automatically be guaranteed a 1 or 2 seed. That leaves 2 available spots for either a team like Gonzaga or another deserving high end team. That would put Villanova, Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, Purdue and Oregon(they tied with Arizona, but won the tiebreaker) as locks In this scenario, it would also favor Gonzaga and Arizona as the other two teams. I think you would end up with Villanova, Kansas, UNC and Gonzaga as 1's and Purdue, UK, Arizona and Oregon as 2's.

Another idea I would like to see is for the committee to throw out both a teams worst loss and their best win. I think this gives a truer picture of the quality of said team, as many times those are outliers.

I posted a few days ago how it seems the P5 conferences had relatively little power in basketball compared to the football playoff and bowl system. One big difference is the CFP is not sanctioned by the NCAA, so there is probably more room for wheeling and dealing by the conferences.

 

[syc70]

So you are saying that teams should be rewarded for a Regular Season title v. a Trny title? What if a conference champion is not one of the Top 8 teams in America? i.e. Purdue & probably Kentucky.

Why penalize teams like Baylor, Arizona, UCLA that had fabulous seasons? They played in leagues that had multiple very good teams at the top.

This looks to be a "ploy" to get Purdue a better seed than they deserve. Purdue is a 4 seed...maybe a 3 seed if they win the B10 Trny & a few people above them lose. Purdue is not close to being a #2 seed.

 

[Boiledin90]

So you are saying that teams should be rewarded for a Regular Season title v. a Trny title? What if a conference champion is not one of the Top 8 teams in America? i.e. Purdue & probably Kentucky.

Why penalize teams like Baylor, Arizona, UCLA that had fabulous seasons? They played in leagues that had multiple very good teams at the top.

This looks to be a "ploy" to get Purdue a better seed than they deserve. Purdue is a 4 seed...maybe a 3 seed if they win the B10 Trny & a few people above them lose. Purdue is not close to being a #2 seed.

I would penalize them because I THINK their fabulous seasons are somewhat a reflection of their top to bottom weaker leagues. And Purdue should be a 3 seed, and Purdue is close to being a #2 seed despite what you and Joe say.

see how this works? Your opinion - and little Joe L's opinions are just that...opinions. I like mine better...

 

[BoilerStation]

Yea...we don't deserve a 2 seed so I have to say no to this.

 

[NVBoilerFan]

So you are saying that teams should be rewarded for a Regular Season title v. a Trny title? What if a conference champion is not one of the Top 8 teams in America? i.e. Purdue & probably Kentucky.

Why penalize teams like Baylor, Arizona, UCLA that had fabulous seasons? They played in leagues that had multiple very good teams at the top.

This looks to be a "ploy" to get Purdue a better seed than they deserve. Purdue is a 4 seed...maybe a 3 seed if they win the B10 Trny & a few people above them lose. Purdue is not close to being a #2 seed.

Who the top 8 teams are is completely opinion right now. My idea takes some of that opinion out of it. If you played well enough to win your conference over an 18 game schedule, you should be rewarded

Not penalizing anyone, they had really good teams but didn't finish on top. They'd have an opportunity to play themselves into one of those two open spots.

No ploy. I dislike IU as much as the next guy and this would have given them a 2 seed minimum last season if it was in place. Reality is, the NCAA makes most of its money because of the P5 conferences, this tourney is one of it's largest moneymakers, those conferences should be guaranteed at least one of the top spots.

 

[FirstDownB]

It really isn't that unconventional for a league winner to be rewarded with something in the post season. Whether it is the regular season champ or the tournament champ could be up to the individual conference, as it is now with the auto bids. There have been many cases in pro sports where a division winner gets home field advantage or a bye over a wild card team with a better record/resume. College basketball is one of the few major sports where no such advantage exists. Let's face it an auto bid to the NCAA tournament for a P5 conference that has 6-8 tournament caliber teams isn't really a reward. The small conferences are getting more than their share at the table with teams who are not among the best 68 getting in.

 

[BoilerStation]

Hell why don't we just kick out all the mid majors and smaller conferences. They don't make the tourney nearly as much money so they don't even deserve to be there. We can shift to all 68 teams being from the P5.

I feel like the complaints here are about everything that makes the NCAA tourney the greatest tournaments and March the greatest month in sports. The smaller schools and upsets are what keep people coming back for more after their schools are knocked out or didn't make it to begin with.

 

[syc70]

Villanova, Butler, North Carolina, Kentucky, Louisville, Baylor, Kansas, UCLA, Arizona, Oregon, Gonzaga, Florida St.

Consider these too: Duke, West Virginia, Florida

Who on that list is Purdue definitively better than?

My rankings...
1. Villanova
2. North Carolina
3. Kansas
4. Gonzaga
5. Oregon
6. UCLA
7. Baylor
8. Louisville
9. Arizona
10. Kentucky
11. Butler
12. West Virginia
13. Florida St.
14.Duke
15. Purdue
16. Florida

 

[NVBoilerFan]

Hell why don't we just kick out all the mid majors and smaller conferences. They don't make the tourney nearly as much money so they don't even deserve to be there. We can shift to all 68 teams being from the P5.

I feel like the complaints here are about everything that makes the NCAA tourney the greatest tournaments and March the greatest month in sports. The smaller schools and upsets are what keep people coming back for more after their schools are knocked out or didn't make it to begin with.

Never made any suggestion on doing that, though I do think it should go back to 64 as I don't think it is fair to some of the 16 seeds(most of which got in with an autobid) to have to play a play-in game just to earn the right to play a 1.

I am not complaining, just offering up an option to take some of the subjectivity and bias out of the equation for the top eight seeded teams.

 

[NVBoilerFan]

Villanova, Butler, North Carolina, Kentucky, Louisville, Baylor, Kansas, UCLA, Arizona, Oregon, Gonzaga, Florida St.

Consider these too: Duke, West Virginia, Florida

Who on that list is Purdue definitively better than?

My rankings...
1. Villanova
2. North Carolina
3. Kansas
4. Gonzaga
5. Oregon
6. UCLA
7. Baylor
8. Louisville
9. Arizona
10. Kentucky
11. Butler
12. West Virginia
13. Florida St.
14.Duke
15. Purdue
16. Florida

So you have Villanova 1 and Purdue 15, If those two were to play today on a neutral court, Vegas would likely have Nova no more that a 2-3 point favorite and if they actually studied it and saw that we were a man down(an excellent 3 pt shooter) in the original game, it may be even lower than that. If they were missing Reynolds like they were against Butler last time, we would be favored.

 

[BoilerStation]

Winning a power conference should not guarantee you a top 2 seed. Purdue this year and IU last year and even UK last year are perfect examples of this. What happens if there are ties? Add in the fact that some conference schedules are uneven as far as playing certain opponents once. Subjectivity will always be a part of it.

 

[syc70]

What about the years when the PAC-12 is rated below the A-10, MWC, or MVC?

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Villanova, Butler, North Carolina, Kentucky, Louisville, Baylor, Kansas, UCLA, Arizona, Oregon, Gonzaga, Florida St.

Consider these too: Duke, West Virginia, Florida

Who on that list is Purdue definitively better than?

My rankings...
1. Villanova
2. North Carolina
3. Kansas
4. Gonzaga
5. Oregon
6. UCLA
7. Baylor
8. Louisville
9. Arizona
10. Kentucky
11. Butler
12. West Virginia
13. Florida St.
14.Duke
15. Purdue
16. Florida

Purdue is capable, at their best, to beat every single one of these teams....and at Purdue's best could probably beat 4-14 + 16 by 10 if Vince and Bigge play like they did against NU AND Haas/PJT/Mathias play to their averages.

 

[NVBoilerFan]

What about the years when the PAC-12 is rated below the A-10, MWC, or MVC?

Rated by who, some nerd with a computer program? Oh but the computer is objective, sure it is. Somebody has to pick the data points included and I'm sure those are never biased towards the Dukes and Kansases of the world.

 

[NVBoilerFan]

Winning a power conference should not guarantee you a top 2 seed. Purdue this year and IU last year and even UK last year are perfect examples of this. What happens if there are ties? Add in the fact that some conference schedules are uneven as far as playing certain opponents once. Subjectivity will always be a part of it.

I actually considered the unbalanced schedules when I came up with this idea, but those tend to even out over a few years. I know a lot of people considered Purdue's one of the easier conference schedules this season, but at one point we had to play 4 out of 5 on the road and had to finish the season with 3 of 4 on the road.

 

[syc70]

Based on the RPI

Many years the A10 & MWC have been rated higher than Pac-12.

 

[delish1]

I really think this should be a nobrainer. The regular season champions of the P5 conferences plus the Big East should automatically be guaranteed a 1 or 2 seed. That leaves 2 available spots for either a team like Gonzaga or another deserving high end team. That would put Villanova, Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, Purdue and Oregon(they tied with Arizona, but won the tiebreaker) as locks In this scenario, it would also favor Gonzaga and Arizona as the other two teams. I think you would end up with Villanova, Kansas, UNC and Gonzaga as 1's and Purdue, UK, Arizona and Oregon as 2's.

Another idea I would like to see is for the committee to throw out both a teams worst loss and their best win. I think this gives a truer picture of the quality of said team, as many times those are outliers.

I don't think this would be a good solution because every year is different. The big ten will cycle back up and be in the running for multiple top 2 seeds. Then would we still be clamoring for this?

Trust me I've been frustrated watching these tourneys and seeing teams no better than purdue but I still think if purdue gets to the title game it gets a 3, which us fair considering lack of top end wins. If it gad beaten nova or louisville I think a 2 would be in play even with the questionable losses it has. I can really put purdue higher than 10 in rankings if I'm being objective.

 

[delish1]

Villanova, Butler, North Carolina, Kentucky, Louisville, Baylor, Kansas, UCLA, Arizona, Oregon, Gonzaga, Florida St.

Consider these too: Duke, West Virginia, Florida

Who on that list is Purdue definitively better than?

I take back my previous post. Using big ten glasses (how is vandy a top 50 team?) I can get purdue to 8 but I'd be scared of teas like fla st and WV even though their resumes aren't that impressive when you dig in.
Assuming purdue bears michigan and then Minnesota. (Boilers REALLY need nw to get back in the top 50 to get a 3).

My rankings...
1. Villanova
2. North Carolina
3. Oregon
4. UCLA
5. Kansas
6. Louisville
7. Arizona
8. Purdue
9. Kentucky
10. Gonzaga
11. Duke
12. Butler
13. West Virginia
14. Florida St.
15. Baylor
16. Florida

 

[NVBoilerFan]

I don't think this would be a good solution because every year is different. The big ten will cycle back up and be in the running for multiple top 2 seeds. Then would we still be clamoring for this?

Trust me I've been frustrated watching these tourneys and seeing teams no better than purdue but I still think if purdue gets to the title game it gets a 3, which us fair considering lack of top end wins. If it gad beaten nova or louisville I think a 2 would be in play even with the questionable losses it has. I can really put purdue higher than 10 in rankings if I'm being objective.

All these tourneys tend to do is devalue the regular season championship, they should have no influence on the NCAA tourney seeding. They should only have influence on sorting out the bubble and allowing a team to earn an autobid.

If the B1G has two teams deserving of a 1 or 2, there would be two spots available for them to earn. If three teams are really awesome, maybe all three end up with a 1 or 2 seed.

 

[FirstDownB]

Based on the RPI

Many years the A10 & MWC have been rated higher than Pac-12.

I suppose each conference champ could be required to have a minimum RPI (or whatever metric they are using in the future) in order to qualify. That would take care of any outlier situations in which one of the P5 conferences is well below their norm. I think all the OP is saying is that when the top 15 or so are so close together that they are hard to distinguish (like this year) then subjectivity can play a larger role in deciphering who is a 2 vs. 3 vs. 4. The committee and the media say a lot of things like extra credit is given for championships, but there is nothing formal binding from year to year. It would be very easy for them to put less emphasis if Purdue is the champion or more emphasis if it was Michigan State for example.

 

[mryankee2397]

kansas is currently getting trashed by tcu. so they wont be number one after today if that holds up

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

kansas is currently getting trashed by tcu. so they wont be number one after today if that holds up

Jackson is out for this game, but I did not expect this to be a game at all.....TCU up one 76-75 with under four left.

Mason has 25, including 10-11 from the FT line. March madness, perhaps.....

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Wow.....TCU's Desmond Bane hits 3-3 free throws to give TCU an 85-82 lead with 2.5 secs left. This after Mason got a favorable bail-out foul call to tie at 82.

TCU looking to maybe foul....home-run throw and tap, and Kansas got a GOOD look, but no good.

Down go the Jayhawks......wow.

 

[NVBoilerFan]

Wow.....TCU's Desmond Bane hits 3-3 free throws to give TCU an 85-82 lead with 2.5 secs left. This after Mason got a favorable bail-out foul call to tie at 82.

TCU looking to maybe foul....home-run throw and tap, and Kansas got a GOOD look, but no good.

Down go the Jayhawks......wow.

They will still get a 1.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

They will still get a 1.

And in Midwest bracket (Kansas City) agreed.....possibly the only affect might be that Villanova could get the overall #1-seed.