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Indy35: "Instead of our taxes paying for endless wars, corporate welfare, etc. We should invest in infrastructure, education, and well being of our people."

Board conservatives: "Socialism will never work, commie!"
We piss so much money on education already that we are about 37th in the world. It's not the money unless you want it free.
 
Basically, the flaw in this thinking is the assumption that providing capital is a productive activity. It is not. Controlling capital is merely controlling the ability to grant administrative permission for productive inputs to be used by laborers.

This is not to say there is no need for managers, entrepreneurial personalities, and innovators to decide how capital should be best allocated. These are vital skills.

But the wealthy are not legally entitled to their wealth because of those skills. The fact that a large portion of the capitalists classes began by inheriting their wealth from a past generation proves this. We, as a society, have decided that merely granting administrative permission to laborers to produce goods and services entities one nearly everything that comes after. I would prefer to live in a world where one is rewarded proportional to the actual work they did. That work can include coming up with an idea and managing its implementation.

This is like a walk through the Communist Manifesto. You're apparently an idealist totally untainted by reality.

If the wealthy aren't entitled to their own wealth, then who is?

Since you seem to be a fan of Lenin and Communism, perhaps you may want to take the time to learn a little more about what you seem to revere. You do realize that after the Bolshevik Revolution and the institution of Communism in Russia, Lenin was supposed to be the champion of the workers, but he was far more interested in accumulating power than the people. He had problems with the peasants not providing enough support to his cause, so he created artificial famines so he could buy their crops at essentially no profit to them, so he could ostensibly use them to feed his troops and ultimately bankrupting them. This caused an uprising among the peasants. Then Lenin instituted slave labor camps for anyone who disagreed with his rule, in which millions of people ultimately died. Yup, Lenin was a champion of people as long as they blindly followed him.

Continuing in your idealistic Communist state, Stalin is reputed to have killed between 25 million to 60 million of his own people. Why do you think it would turn out different if Communism occurred here? If Communism were to take over, the rule of law would be suspended. If you're delusional enough to believe that "From each according to his ability. To each according to his need" actually works, then you have to be ignorant of all the times it's been tried and failed. It's a nice logo, but it has NEVER successfully been practiced in a Communist nation.

Jump forward to the present, Vlad Putin is a multibillionaire. That's not supposed to happen in a Communist country. is it?

You have a lot of delusions about how a perfect government would work, but all forms of government will eventually be corrupted by people. Our representative republic seems to be the best of what's available.

Frankly, the perfect form of government would be a benign dictatorship. It couldn't be corrupted . It would look out for the best interests of the people and the country. Unfortunately, it would only last as long as that benign dictator lived. After that, who knows what would happen.
 
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" From each according to his ability. To each according to his need" actually works, then you have to be ignorant of all the times it's been tried and failed. It's a nice logo, but it has NEVER been practiced in a Communist nation.

Tried and failed but also never been practiced?
 
So you're saying the Federal government is a paragon of efficiency and needs to keep getting bigger?

Apparently, you and Obama both believe that "You didn't build that." There's a very strong need/demand for goods and services in Sub-Saharan Africa, so you're saying jobs must be plentiful there.

You're spouting theoretical Leftist BS, which has no relevance in the real world. You've obviously never owned a business or you wouldn't spout this idiocy. The Communist ideal has never worked in the real world, despite young ideologs dreaming that it would.
I would much prefer we had a different governmental structure than the one the IS constitution provides, but if I have no other options then yes I would prefer to see the federal government greatly expanded.

Also when you talk about “sub Saharan Africa” you are talking about nearly a billion people, with hundreds of ethnicities, languages, and cultural customs and vastly different levels of economic development depending on where you are. You are going to have to be more specific.
 
This is like a walk through the Communist Manifesto. You're apparently an idealist totally untainted by reality.

If the wealthy aren't entitled to their own wealth, then who is?

Since you seem to be a fan of Lenin and Communism, perhaps you may want to take the time to learn a little more about what you seem to revere. You do realize that after the Bolshevik Revolution and the institution of Communism in Russia, Lenin was supposed to be the champion of the workers, but he was far more interested in accumulating power than the people. He had problems with the peasants not providing enough support to his cause, so he created artificial famines so he could buy their crops at essentially no profit to them, so he could ostensibly use them to feed his troops and ultimately bankrupting them. This caused an uprising among the peasants. Then Lenin instituted slave labor camps for anyone who disagreed with his rule, in which millions of people ultimately died. Yup, Lenin was a champion of people as long as they blindly followed him.

Continuing in your idealistic Communist state, Stalin is reputed to have killed between 25 million to 60 million of his own people. Why do you think it would turn out different if Communism occurred here? If Communism were to take over, the rule of law would be suspended. If you're delusional enough to believe that "From each according to his ability. To each according to his need" actually works, then you have to be ignorant of all the times it's been tried and failed. It's a nice logo, but it has NEVER been practiced in a Communist nation.

Jump forward to the present, Vlad Putin is a multibillionaire. That's not supposed to happen in a Communist country. is it?

You have a lot of delusions about how a perfect government would work, but all forms of government will eventually be corrupted by people. Our representative republic seems to be the best of what's available.

Frankly, the perfect form of government would be a benign dictatorship. It couldn't be corrupted . It would look out for the best interests of the people and the country. Unfortunately, it would only last as long as that benign dictator lived. After that, who knows what would happen.
Wealth is created socially. Society as a whole is entitled to what it creates.
 
This is like a walk through the Communist Manifesto. You're apparently an idealist totally untainted by reality.

If the wealthy aren't entitled to their own wealth, then who is?

Since you seem to be a fan of Lenin and Communism, perhaps you may want to take the time to learn a little more about what you seem to revere. You do realize that after the Bolshevik Revolution and the institution of Communism in Russia, Lenin was supposed to be the champion of the workers, but he was far more interested in accumulating power than the people. He had problems with the peasants not providing enough support to his cause, so he created artificial famines so he could buy their crops at essentially no profit to them, so he could ostensibly use them to feed his troops and ultimately bankrupting them. This caused an uprising among the peasants. Then Lenin instituted slave labor camps for anyone who disagreed with his rule, in which millions of people ultimately died. Yup, Lenin was a champion of people as long as they blindly followed him.

Continuing in your idealistic Communist state, Stalin is reputed to have killed between 25 million to 60 million of his own people. Why do you think it would turn out different if Communism occurred here? If Communism were to take over, the rule of law would be suspended. If you're delusional enough to believe that "From each according to his ability. To each according to his need" actually works, then you have to be ignorant of all the times it's been tried and failed. It's a nice logo, but it has NEVER been practiced in a Communist nation.

Jump forward to the present, Vlad Putin is a multibillionaire. That's not supposed to happen in a Communist country. is it?

You have a lot of delusions about how a perfect government would work, but all forms of government will eventually be corrupted by people. Our representative republic seems to be the best of what's available.

Frankly, the perfect form of government would be a benign dictatorship. It couldn't be corrupted . It would look out for the best interests of the people and the country. Unfortunately, it would only last as long as that benign dictator lived. After that, who knows what would happen.

You keep talking about communism when liberals are advocating for policies mirroring places like Denmark,Finland, Netherlands, Canada, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, New Zealand, Belgium. Pretty sure none of those places are communist hellscapes. The North Korea and Venezuela strawman you guys are throwing out is irrelevant to the policies the Democrats are actually trying to enact.
 
Indy35: "Instead of our taxes paying for endless wars, corporate welfare, etc. We should invest in infrastructure, education, and well being of our people."

Board conservatives: "Socialism will never work, commie!"
Without a strong defense all the infrastructure improvements will end up in Russian/ISIS or Natzi hands.
Not saying we can't cut back on defense but a strong defense is necessary.
 
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Denmark’s citizens are consistently ranked as among the happiest in the world. Their tax money goes to infrastructure, education, healthcare. You know, the things Republicans are constantly attacking. If we could get the flood of money out of politics we could get politicians that would focus on quality of life for constituents instead of selling out to the highest bidder.
There’s no perfect solution but there’s also no reason we can’t strive for better for our citizens.

Poor, but happy. Who needs all that money anyway?
 
Cut our ridiculous military spending by 10% and college could be free

Let's just disband the military altogether. When the rest of the world sees that we're all about peace and love, they wouldn't think about bothering us. Then everything will be free...…..except us...…...maybe......
 
" From each according to his ability. To each according to his need" actually works, then you have to be ignorant of all the times it's been tried and failed. It's a nice logo, but it has NEVER been practiced in a Communist nation.

Tried and failed but also never been practiced?

The semantics police are on the beat. I missed a word. It's never been SUCCESSFULLY practiced in a Communist nation.

Feel better now?
 
Let's just disband the military altogether. When the rest of the world sees that we're all about peace and love, they wouldn't think about bothering us. Then everything will be free...…..except us...…...maybe......
Did anyone say that? I believe what's being stated is that instead of spending more than the next 7 countries combined we could use some of that money to provide better quality of life to our citizens. If you'd rather us waste money blowing up scary brown people than I guess that's your prerogative, with each new post I find your views toward your fellow humans morally repugnant.

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Wealth is created socially. Society as a whole is entitled to what it creates.

Tell that to the guy working 18 hrs a day, 6-7 days a week to get a business up and running and ultimately profitable. I'm sure that "society" was with him every day, when he was burning the midnight oil.

You keep throwing out these cute little platitudes and you have no idea what you're talking about.
You keep talking about communism when liberals are advocating for policies mirroring places like Denmark,Finland, Netherlands, Canada, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, New Zealand, Belgium. Pretty sure none of those places are communist hellscapes. The North Korea and Venezuela strawman you guys are throwing out is irrelevant to the policies the Democrats are actually trying to enact.

Pay attention and you may actually understand what's going on. I was responding to ComradeRed, who has a picture of Lenin and a Hammer & Sickle on his avatar. Are you starting to see the connection yet, or do you require further explanation?
 
I would much prefer we had a different governmental structure than the one the IS constitution provides, but if I have no other options then yes I would prefer to see the federal government greatly expanded.

Also when you talk about “sub Saharan Africa” you are talking about nearly a billion people, with hundreds of ethnicities, languages, and cultural customs and vastly different levels of economic development depending on where you are. You are going to have to be more specific.

Apparently, you have no knowledge of how inefficient and ineffective our government has become, or you wouldn't want to expand it. Throwing $Billions more down that rat hole won't make it any better.

Nice dodge. The point is that with a Billion people there, which is about 3 times our population, there should be a tremendous amount of "Society wide demand for goods and services to take care of social and personal wants and needs to create jobs." If what you say is true, clearly the economy there should dwarf ours and I don't believe it does. Perhaps it may be because your little slogan doesn't translate to the real world?
 
Did anyone say that? I believe what's being stated is that instead of spending more than the next 7 countries combined we could use some of that money to provide better quality of life to our citizens. If you'd rather us waste money blowing up scary brown people than I guess that's your prerogative, with each new post I find your views toward your fellow humans morally repugnant.

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Why does the Left always feel compelled to inject race into everything. Have you got a few Race Cards that need to be played?

Frankly, I'd like to cut the Federal budget by 10% across the board. I believe if we ever took the time to fully evaluate all the fraud, waste and abuse in the government. we could make that cut and never miss a beat. There is more than enough money going into DC, but it's being grossly mismanaged. Part of the problem is politicians. Part of the problem is bureaucrats. 100% of the problem is lack of accountability.
 
Did anyone say that? I believe what's being stated is that instead of spending more than the next 7 countries combined we could use some of that money to provide better quality of life to our citizens. If you'd rather us waste money blowing up scary brown people than I guess that's your prerogative, with each new post I find your views toward your fellow humans morally repugnant.

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Not saying the US doesn't over spend on the military but I question the accuracy of the China, Russia numbers.
These are self reported numbers soooo?
 
Apparently, you have no knowledge of how inefficient and ineffective our government has become, or you wouldn't want to expand it. Throwing $Billions more down that rat hole won't make it any better.

Nice dodge. The point is that with a Billion people there, which is about 3 times our population, there should be a tremendous amount of "Society wide demand for goods and services to take care of social and personal wants and needs to create jobs." If what you say is true, clearly the economy there should dwarf ours and I don't believe it does. Perhaps it may be because your little slogan doesn't translate to the real world?
There is enourmous demand for goods and services in all of the nations of sub Saharan Africa, and they produce large quantities of goods and services. Do you think they just sit around all day doing nothing?

The answer to why so many sub Saharan nations are impoverished should be incredibly obvious. The entire continent outside of Ethiopia is less than 75 years from gaining independence from foreign colonial powers, and in some countries it’s less than 50 years out. Many of these nations had indigenous productive forces forcibly dismantled and their local economies transformed into colonial tributaries. It takes an enourmous amount of time to undue this damage, and the damage is being undone. Most of the fastest growing economies in the world are in subsaharan Africa.

This does not contradict my argument, if anything it strengthens it. A small minority of foreign capitalists deciding how indigenous resources should be should be used, and making the decision to use them to benefit European powers at the expense of the indigenous population crippled the economies of most African nations. Surely the injection of these wealthy foreign “job creators” should have fueled explosive economic growth?

Native demand for goods and services is now being allowed to be fully realized, and that is what is fueling economic growth on the continent.
 
Not saying the US doesn't over spend on the military but I question the accuracy of the China, Russia numbers.
These are self reported numbers soooo?
They might spend more than the listed amount but not by much. The Russian and Chinese militaries much farther behind the United States than the pentagon would have you believe. Russian and Chinese 5th generation fighters, for example, are poor copies of their American counterparts.
 
Without a strong defense all the infrastructure improvements will end up in Russian/ISIS or Natzi hands.
Not saying we can't cut back on defense but a strong defense is necessary.

How vulnerable would a small reduction leave us? Would we still not be spending more than any other country?
 
How vulnerable would a small reduction leave us? Would we still not be spending more than any other country?
I think a 5% cut today would not put us at risk. ISIS is pretty much defeated. Trumps increases were needed and have shown results. A change of the rules of engagement also helped.
I do not beliieve the Russian and China numbers posted above.
 
Not saying we can't cut back on defense but a strong defense is necessary.

Let's just disband the military altogether. When the rest of the world sees that we're all about peace and love, they wouldn't think about bothering us. Then everything will be free...…..except us...…...maybe......
sigh. frowny face.

the two teams still don't realize they are the same side - they both desire reliance on government.

they just argue about which statist programs should be funded first, and the most.
 
Why do conservatives say so many greedy, racist, homophobic, sexist things if they aren't that way? Why do they support those policies if they actually aren't that way? Sorry you don't like that label, but you earn it. There are legitimate neo-nazis running on the Republican ticket. The Republican party maintains power by stoking white resentment toward the "other."

Demographics aren't in the right's favor, elderly white folks are dying every year and replacing them are younger generations not scared of someone different. I can look to the gay people that I know in my life and politicians aren't going to be able to convince me that it's going to bring about the end of the world by allowing them to marry who they love, adopt kids, not be fired from their job because they're gay, etc.

LMAO-

The last person to drop the n word on the floor of the senate was a democrat. Senator Byrd, and democrats defended and made excuses for him. And Obama went to a church where the pastor repeatedly preaches that God should damn white America. And that pastor married them. Nope, no racism.

Not that I cared for her as a politician, but Sara Palin ran for office as a VP. I think it was Time that had a cover of her showing nothing but her butt. Liberals piled on laughing. Nope, no sexism to see there. And lets defend a conedian calling a mother posting a picture of her and her kids a c—— and defend that too.

As far as homophobic, hate to tell you, but Dems did not really support gay marriage until Obama needed a campaign bump for his second run. Check out what was said in 2007-2008 among dems. Supporting something so one thinks it increases chances of getting a vote is support-uh, ok. But the media tell you that is not homophobic so I guess it is not.

I never thought conservatives wanting to keep more of what one earns, then as another poster pointed out conservatives give/donate more, as greedy. People thinking they are entitled or deserve others earnings is what is greedy.

The sweeping generalizations you constantly make and apply to just the right side, when they apply to side you defend, shows a pretty alarming lack of any cognitive ability.
 
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hunkgolden, BoilerJS, BoilerMadness, why do you think that Breitbart had a "black crime" section? Can one of you or preferably all of you answer what purpose this serves?

Not any of the posters you mentioned but personally think it needs more coverage.

Many/most people are not from there, so they do not see the issues of the inner cities or other issues AA face.

All one really hears about is total number of shootings in a weekend or over a holiday.


Really, the same with Hispanics and immigration, it comes up mainly during election years. After that, at best it is on the back burner.

Bringing and/or keeping the issue to the forefront, keeping it highlighted, is what is needed if those problems are ever to be addressed.

I am taking your word for it there is a black crime section-do not think I have ever been to his site unless I clicked a linked article.
 
This is like a walk through the Communist Manifesto. You're apparently an idealist totally untainted by reality.

If the wealthy aren't entitled to their own wealth, then who is?

Since you seem to be a fan of Lenin and Communism, perhaps you may want to take the time to learn a little more about what you seem to revere. You do realize that after the Bolshevik Revolution and the institution of Communism in Russia, Lenin was supposed to be the champion of the workers, but he was far more interested in accumulating power than the people. He had problems with the peasants not providing enough support to his cause, so he created artificial famines so he could buy their crops at essentially no profit to them, so he could ostensibly use them to feed his troops and ultimately bankrupting them. This caused an uprising among the peasants. Then Lenin instituted slave labor camps for anyone who disagreed with his rule, in which millions of people ultimately died. Yup, Lenin was a champion of people as long as they blindly followed him.

Continuing in your idealistic Communist state, Stalin is reputed to have killed between 25 million to 60 million of his own people. Why do you think it would turn out different if Communism occurred here? If Communism were to take over, the rule of law would be suspended. If you're delusional enough to believe that "From each according to his ability. To each according to his need" actually works, then you have to be ignorant of all the times it's been tried and failed. It's a nice logo, but it has NEVER successfully been practiced in a Communist nation.

Jump forward to the present, Vlad Putin is a multibillionaire. That's not supposed to happen in a Communist country. is it?

You have a lot of delusions about how a perfect government would work, but all forms of government will eventually be corrupted by people. Our representative republic seems to be the best of what's available.

Frankly, the perfect form of government would be a benign dictatorship. It couldn't be corrupted . It would look out for the best interests of the people and the country. Unfortunately, it would only last as long as that benign dictator lived. After that, who knows what would happen.
And you believe that Russia was actually a communist country. I don’t think there ever has been an actual one because it simply won’t work in reality which even Marx agreed. Communism sounds great as a concept but won’t work and Russia was and remains a dictatorship that resembles fascism more than communist.
 
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