My thoughts on Biggie...

[*4purdue*]

if he's going pro, he either knows it or he doesn't. I don't see him going to the camps to test the waters if he's entering the draft. I think he could only hurt his value going to the camps. I'm guessing if he's going, he'll just announce in the next 2 or 3 weeks. If he goes to camp, to me that indicates he still thinks he needs another year and wants feed back again. I like our chances of getting him back.if he goes through the process again.

 

[Boiler1313]

Age won't be a factor, after all this year should technically only be his freshman year.

 

[pboiler18]

if he's going pro, he either knows it or he doesn't. I don't see him going to the camps to test the waters if he's entering the draft. I think he could only hurt his value going to the camps. I'm guessing if he's going, he'll just announce in the next 2 or 3 weeks. If he goes to camp, to me that indicates he still thinks he needs another year and wants feed back again. I like our chances of getting him back.if he goes through the process again.

You're off base here. Of course you go to camps. You can square off vs top talent and be evaluated in person by those that can Draft you.

Biggie is at best a top 20-30 pick right now. He'll be drafted even if he has bad showings...but the guy was almost NPOTY...he's not the type to have bad performances.

He's gone. Maybe the NBA doesn't work out for him but he'll make some good coin playing pro basketball overseas.

My evaluation...I see him as a better Carl Landry. Landry made A TON of money in the NBA as an average pro. I think Biggie can expect the same.

 

[TJBoiler]

if he's going pro, he either knows it or he doesn't. I don't see him going to the camps to test the waters if he's entering the draft. I think he could only hurt his value going to the camps. I'm guessing if he's going, he'll just announce in the next 2 or 3 weeks. If he goes to camp, to me that indicates he still thinks he needs another year and wants feed back again. I like our chances of getting him back.if he goes through the process again.

I totally agree with you. Does anyone look at these mock drafts. If you read all the Biggie going to NBA comments. You think he was the #1 pick. He barely is being mentioned in the first rd. Barnes can buy him insurance against injury. Does he want to play NBA Pro ball or just play Pro Ball which he will.

Personally he can improve his game. I think biggie needs to back off the weight lifting and work on his quickness, ball handling and post moves. Tim Duncan after knee injury's lost weight and became a leaner quicker player. That would help biggie.

 

[Casey and his Brother]

He can improve his game, but does he have draft position upside? Not upside in terms of his game, but what can he do that would make him be a top 10 pick next year, vs being a late 1st round/early 2nd round pick that he projects this year?

And is that even worth it? He has a guy in his ear that knows all of that.

 

[rjmpu82]

I don't know what he gains by staying. He had an incredible season that would be difficult to duplicate. He is at the top of the college game. Unfortunately, that does not always translate to NBA success. Being a journeyman NBA player for several seasons can set you up for life. Ask Brian Cardinal or Brad Miller. I think that is his best case scenario. He will probably not ever be an elite NBA player. Playing overseas has its challenges and requires more years of playing and better financial management and still won't come close to an NBA career. I think Caleb is extremely bright and very driven. I also think he seeks out excellent counsel. I have truly enjoyed watching him play. I wish him the best of everything.

 

[TJBoiler]

He can improve his game, but does he have draft position upside? Not upside in terms of his game, but what can he do that would make him be a top 10 pick next year, vs being a late 1st round/early 2nd round pick that he projects this year?

And is that even worth it? He has a guy in his ear that knows all of that.

Yes Barnes is a very successful sports agent. I think Biggie can improve his game. Fact is Purdue loses one player in Spike if Biggie stays. I'd argue Biggie will be playing with players and in a system he now knows well. He would leave with a large Senior class. Purdue will likely be ranked in top 10 pre season maybe top 5 if Biggie comes back. Add the players that have the athleticism Purdue lacked this past season.

Yes I know NBA is Biggie goal. But he can get better and will receive as much if not more attention during what will be a very high profile team 2017-2018. If he goes Pro much success to Biggie. But I do think it's amusing these local writers assume he is gone. Barnes can buy him insurance against injury. As you said does he want to get drafted higher? I am saying if Biggie stayed you are looking at alot of fun and wins. Glenn Robinson who was the #1 pick in 94 admitted later that he did think what would have been had he stayed and played on the 95 team which won the Big 10 without Glenn.

My gist is the way you hear media and fans about Biggie going Pro. You'd think he was the #1 pick when in fact he is barely being listed in 1st RD mocks of NBA drafts. Biggie will play Pro Ball but in what league is a legit question.

 

[Casey and his Brother]

Hey, I'm not pushing him out the door. Next year with Biggie would probably be the best Purdue team I would see, no offense to the pre-Hummel Minnesota knee injury squad.

 

[*4purdue*]

I don't know what he gains by staying. He had an incredible season that would be difficult to duplicate. He is at the top of the college game. Unfortunately, that does not always translate to NBA success. Being a journeyman NBA player for several seasons can set you up for life. Ask Brian Cardinal or Brad Miller. I think that is his best case scenario. He will probably not ever be an elite NBA player. Playing overseas has its challenges and requires more years of playing and better financial management and still won't come close to an NBA career. I think Caleb is extremely bright and very driven. I also think he seeks out excellent counsel. I have truly enjoyed watching him play. I wish him the best of everything.

He would be the NPOY, or at least the leading candidate at the beginning of the season. He would be so hyped by the media after this season, and yes, he is good enough to not only duplicate, but improve on this season. If Purdue was starting over and losing everyone this year, I think it would be a no brainier for him to leave, but this team returns everyone, which means he would be the best player on a top 5 team. Will he return, IDK, probably not, but my point of the thread was to say I don't think he will go through the process again if he is leaving. He's had enough exposure that he doesn't need to go to the camps and play against players that could show him up like he was last night. If he plays at a camp and turns it over 6 times, he's only going to hurt his stock. I think he decides in the next few weeks if he's really leaving.

 

[ghost_of_d.]

Don't you have to declare your intentions to enter the draft in order to go to the camps? Biggie can't declare for the draft a 2nd time and opt out to come back to Purdue.

 

[*4purdue*]

Don't you have to declare your intentions to enter the draft in order to go to the camps? Biggie can't declare for the draft a 2nd time and opt out to come back to Purdue.

He can declare and come back again, same as last year. I think if he's going, he will skip the camp, just declare and sign with an agent.

 

[grm14]

I think he's gone, he is what he is and had a great year. It would be hard to duplicate the season he had.

 

[scipiospinks]

I don't see him getting much better in terms of his NBA draft status. He could develop some moves, perhaps that dirk fade-away he's tried a few times, but he's not getting more athletic or taller which is what is really holding him back right now. He should go, but I'll be pleased if he stays.

 

[takedownboiler]

I wanted to see him embrace Painter last night coming off the floor. He went straight to the bench tho.

 

[krazyjvilled]

If he made 1/3rd of the leap bext year that he did this year his stock would be improved. We have a team, combined with the athletes coming in, that could realistically be a top 5 team and a 2 seed in ncaa tourney.. I pray he gives 1 more year... we will never have as good of a team again as we will next year if he stays

 

[Wolegib]

What is his ultimate goal? I've read several times, he said it was a business decision to come to Purdue. If so, it will be a business decision to stay or leave. Will staying another year lead to being the npoty? Or an NCAA championship? And if so, how much will that improve his drat stock? At present, his draft stock is lowered by his height as he is viewed as a bit short to play PF . I doubt that changes next year. I can't see team success or national player accolades improving his stock to becoming anything more than a low first round pick. Therefore, as a business decision, I believe he will leave.

 

[bonefish1]

I think he got enough national pub and focus on his work ethic that some NBA teams believe he will be Draymond Green part 2.
Biggie and Rosie will talk to the NBA folks and know in a few days where he'll be drafted.
I'd be shocked if he came back but it was great having him as a Boiler for 2 years.

 

[krazyjvilled]

no team, as in, not a single one, will view him as draymond green part 2... they are not even remotely similar players... Green could play PG, was very quick and agile, and could guard any position.

I love swanigan, but he is nothing like draymond green athletically

Honestly, I think he is going to be the type that is great in college, but not good in the pros.. Michael Beasly, the kid from UNLV the cavs took number 1 a few years back, derrick williams from arizona.. etc etc

 

[pboiler18]

no team, as in, not a single one, will view him as draymond green part 2... they are not even remotely similar players... Green could play PG, was very quick and agile, and could guard any position.

I love swanigan, but he is nothing like draymond green athletically

Honestly, I think he is going to be the type that is great in college, but not good in the pros.. Michael Beasly, the kid from UNLV the cavs took number 1 a few years back, derrick williams from arizona.. etc etc

Draymond Green as a 19-20 year old was nowhere close in talents or athleticism to where biggie is now.

Biggie still has "growing" to do. Not necessarily height wise but his body could develop

 

[krazyjvilled]

Draymond Green as a 19-20 year old was nowhere close in talents or athleticism to where biggie is now.

Biggie still has "growing" to do. Not necessarily height wise but his body could develop

draymond green absolutely showed more lateral agility and athletic ability than swanigan.. I love Swanigan, but he is not like green at all.. hes way closer to carl landry than anyone, though even he was a bit more springy

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

no team, as in, not a single one, will view him as draymond green part 2... they are not even remotely similar players... Green could play PG, was very quick and agile, and could guard any position.

I love swanigan, but he is nothing like draymond green athletically

Honestly, I think he is going to be the type that is great in college, but not good in the pros.. Michael Beasly, the kid from UNLV the cavs took number 1 a few years back, derrick williams from arizona.. etc etc

That was Anthony Bennett whom the Cavaliers drafted with the top pick.

 

[Boiler Wolf]

I thought our only hopes for deep success in the tourney was if Biggie elevated his game, put us on his back and carried us. And while he did a lot of good things in the tourney, he didn't elevate himself and I don't think did anything to convince the scouts he has game for the NBA. Hard worker yes, Great rebounder yes, good shooter yes, good passer yes, but someone made the comparison to Carl Landry. Carl was more athletic, and could more reliably get his shot off. When he got it on the post, you could count on him at least getting his shot off. Biggie, when pressured, still makes too many mistakes. Improved from last year, absolutely. Sure fire, guaranteed money 1st round pick in the draft, TBD. And if that isn't there, and if it is a business decision, what does he do?

He's young, is doing well in school, and has things to work on. I think leaving for the NBA almost certainly puts him in the development league and he may never get out.

Recent comparisons to Nigel Hayes and his draft stock are fair, but I actually think Nigel improved his draft prospects in the tourney a little bit. Biggie, I'm not so sure if he helped or hurt his in the tourney.

Everyone that says he is gone, I was thinking the same a month ago, but now, I think it is a tougher decision than he wanted it to be.

 

[krazyjvilled]

If he leaves I'm telling you I dont think he is a 1st round pick... he just does not have an NBA body for a PF or Center

This upcoming draft is loaded too... Look at Hammons... even on one of the worst teams in the NBA, hes almost exclusively been D league

 

[Carsonteenwolfcunningham]

I don't know what he gains by staying. He had an incredible season that would be difficult to duplicate. He is at the top of the college game. Unfortunately, that does not always translate to NBA success. Being a journeyman NBA player for several seasons can set you up for life. Ask Brian Cardinal or Brad Miller. I think that is his best case scenario. He will probably not ever be an elite NBA player. Playing overseas has its challenges and requires more years of playing and better financial management and still won't come close to an NBA career. I think Caleb is extremely bright and very driven. I also think he seeks out excellent counsel. I have truly enjoyed watching him play. I wish him the best of everything.

Brad Miller was on the all star team in 2003 and 2004. How good do you have to be before you are not a journeyman player?

 

[Boiler Wolf]

This isn't Brad Miller's NBA.

 

[tjreese]

Yes Barnes is a very successful sports agent. I think Biggie can improve his game. Fact is Purdue loses one player in Spike if Biggie stays. I'd argue Biggie will be playing with players and in a system he now knows well. He would leave with a large Senior class. Purdue will likely be ranked in top 10 pre season maybe top 5 if Biggie comes back. Add the players that have the athleticism Purdue lacked this past season.

Yes I know NBA is Biggie goal. But he can get better and will receive as much if not more attention during what will be a very high profile team 2017-2018. If he goes Pro much success to Biggie. But I do think it's amusing these local writers assume he is gone. Barnes can buy him insurance against injury. As you said does he want to get drafted higher? I am saying if Biggie stayed you are looking at alot of fun and wins. Glenn Robinson who was the #1 pick in 94 admitted later that he did think what would have been had he stayed and played on the 95 team which won the Big 10 without Glenn.

My gist is the way you hear media and fans about Biggie going Pro. You'd think he was the #1 pick when in fact he is barely being listed in 1st RD mocks of NBA drafts. Biggie will play Pro Ball but in what league is a legit question.

Biggie can improve and if he were to take another leap like he did last year...he would be great! I really don't think he can improve his stats though. I wish he had just a bit more athleticism...which can be improved somewhat by more training. If he were to return, Purdue could be very good..but we know he has a family he wants to take care of...and we know he has some basketball goals he still wants to achieve. Whatever he does I hope it works out for him in the best way possible...

Can you imagine "IF" he could put the ball on the court and add a pull up jumper at 12-15' rather than a spot??????

 

[krazyjvilled]

If he is truly age wise only supposed to be a freshman this year then staying another year will not hurt his stock..

I really think his best choice is coming back one more year.. when vince, haas, mathias, pj go there will be no reason to stay. He went from probably undrafted last year to late 1st to early 2nd this year.. 1 more year of improvement and he could sneak into the teens or late lottery if he loses another 10 pounds and gains a bit more explosion

 

[tjreese]

If he is truly age wise only supposed to be a freshman this year then staying another year will not hurt his stock..

I really think his best choice is coming back one more year.. when vince, haas, mathias, pj go there will be no reason to stay. He went from probably undrafted last year to late 1st to early 2nd this year.. 1 more year of improvement and he could sneak into the teens or late lottery if he loses another 10 pounds and gains a bit more explosion

i think he is teh correct age even though he moved up a grade...but I could have misread something somewhere

 

[ChoiceBeef]

Based on what we know from staff he has slimmed down, gotten stronger, quicker and increased his vertical. Another year in college isn't going to increase his draft stock or any of those metrics.

Someone will take him late first round.

Look at Boston they took Sullinger and he is a lazy POS who never panned out. You can't teach the motor Biggie has. Coaches want a guy like that.

 

[PaBoiler78]

no team, as in, not a single one, will view him as draymond green part 2... they are not even remotely similar players... Green could play PG, was very quick and agile, and could guard any position.

I love swanigan, but he is nothing like draymond green athletically

Honestly, I think he is going to be the type that is great in college, but not good in the pros.. Michael Beasly, the kid from UNLV the cavs took number 1 a few years back, derrick williams from arizona.. etc etc

Tim Tebow

 

[gkmorris]

I wanted to see him embrace Painter last night coming off the floor. He went straight to the bench tho.

I was disappointed too that he didn't wear Purdue gear in post-game interviews …even the official one. Great player that seems to really like his teammates and definitely made us a lot better, but not an ambassador for the university.

 

[jwspiker]

I think biggie is gone, but i see 2-3 areas of improvement that we saw glimses of at times, but weren't consistent. 1. Defense. 2. Handles/Turnovers/Dribbles = More Assists.

If he could somehow develop some lateral quickness for D/Dribbling, and up his assist numbers to average 20/15/5 with a few triple doubles next year. that would be the only way I could see him improving his draft stock, is that possible? Could he become a lock down defender. If you answer these quickest with an affirmative, then that could mean he would come back. Could he decide he wants to give back to purdue and take them to the next level? Well maybe, but I'm doubtful of that and not sure it's the smart route to go.

 

[BoilerStation]

I think biggie is gone, but i see 2-3 areas of improvement that we saw glimses of at times, but weren't consistent. 1. Defense. 2. Handles/Turnovers/Dribbles = More Assists.

If he could somehow develop some lateral quickness for D/Dribbling, and up his assist numbers to average 20/15/5 with a few triple doubles next year. that would be the only way I could see him improving his draft stock, is that possible? Could he become a lock down defender. If you answer these quickest with an affirmative, then that could mean he would come back. Could he decide he wants to give back to purdue and take them to the next level? Well maybe, but I'm doubtful of that and not sure it's the smart route to go.

Even if he improves I don't see his stats going up and more likely a dip in them. We won't need him to do more with the incoming and returning players. The important parts would be reducing turnovers and being more efficient in his scoring. Not coming back.

 

[IlluminatiEXPOSETHEMNOW1]

if he's going pro, he either knows it or he doesn't. I don't see him going to the camps to test the waters if he's entering the draft. I think he could only hurt his value going to the camps. I'm guessing if he's going, he'll just announce in the next 2 or 3 weeks. If he goes to camp, to me that indicates he still thinks he needs another year and wants feed back again. I like our chances of getting him back.if he goes through the process again.

My take on Biggie is this. High risk high return. If he goes pro now he is cashing in his chips for mediocre return. If he stays 1 more year playing in college w/ this team losing nobody they can conceivably win a national title. They'd be so strong. They work hard off-season, he'd play a full year of college as a household name. He ups himself on draftchart next year and he'll sign a real contract. As a legitimate top 10. He needs to stay. One more year Biggie. Do this. Next year you are top pick.

 

[Boiler1313]

My take on Biggie is this. High risk high return. If he goes pro now he is cashing in his chips for mediocre return. If he stays 1 more year playing in college w/ this team losing nobody they can conceivably win a national title. They'd be so strong. They work hard off-season, he'd play a full year of college as a household name. He ups himself on draftchart next year and he'll sign a real contract. As a legitimate top 10. He needs to stay. One more year Biggie. Do this. Next year you are top pick.

I like this, but don't believe he will ever be a top 10 pick. Something tells me that Biggie is just so competitive that he may feel like there is unfinished business to be done at Purdue. He made it a goal to bring Homestead their first state championship, and believe that in his mind bringing Purdue their first national championship may be a goal of his also. I honestly don't seem his draft stock going up or down drastically with either decision.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

He has more to lose by coming back than by going to the draft.

Too many what ifs. What if his production drops? What if he gets injured? What if the team doesn't gel as well? What if we underachieve?

As much as I want him back to prove he can help take us to the promise land, it isn't happening.