My biggest issue with Painter

[Bruce1]

Is that he seems to be like GK. His team's play well thru the Big and peak too early. GK's teams tore thru the Big, peaked too early, and we're out of gas for the tourney. Meanwhile, Izzo might come in 3rd or 4th in the Big but go on a tear in the tourney. Initially, Painter, with Teague and Landry appeared to be timing the year that way too but since then his team's too peaked too early. I wish I had the answer.

 

[euchre13]

When should they have peaked this year? Remember, they had to win games to make the tourney.
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[Bucket Boy]

Could not disagree more. Always have played well in tourney minus VCU. Thought we played Cincy tough for 39 mins and 12 seconds. Catch inbounds pass or make one free throw and it was a great season. Painter has far exceeded Gene in tourney. Gene took over a final four team, Painter took over a 7 win team. I Like our coach. I can see why others think of our fan base as whiners. Unbelievable.

 

[brenmer]

Whine, Whine, Whine.

Just enjoy how far we have came in a year....

Good kids in the program now.

Lot's to look forward to. Hit one more 3 the other night and you wouldn't be here whining.

 

[DrEss]

This year's team was light years more enjoyable to watch and follow than the last couple year's teams. They competed very hard and learned how to win games again. Offseason improvement needed in many areas, but I see no reason why this team cannot be even better next year, assuming AJH returns.
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This post was edited on 3/22 8:46 PM by DrEss

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Originally posted by brenmer:
Whine, Whine, Whine.

Just enjoy how far we have came in a year....

Good kids in the program now.

Lot's to look forward to. Hit one more 3 the other night and you wouldn't be here whining.

Brenner, they'd still be here whining had the Boilers lost in the Sweet 16.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

"Whiner" is a perfect word to describe many of the fans on this board. It's pretty sad.
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[*4purdue*]

i think the answer is....

Talented seniors that are leaders.... I still think we would have a ff if Hummel didn't get hurt. That aside, Sparty always has 2 or 3 seniors that are the leaders and put their team on their backs. Trice, Dawson and Valentine are doing it this year. Hopefully with Hammons, Davis and maybe a 5th year senior next year, this team will be seasoned enough and have the leadership to make a run. I don't think this team ran out of gas, they didn't have much experience and only 1 senior that had his only year at Purdue to lead. I will say, that before this years freshman graduate, CMP needs to get us their. This is the group. If we don't get a ff in the next 3 years, I'm not sure CMP ever will.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Re: i think the answer is....

Remember that Bo Ryan had a lot of very good teams before he finally broke through and made a FF run. It's tougher without 5* talent, but it can be done.
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[TJBoiler]

I mentioned in an earlier post. That in 97 Keady admitted he made too much of the Trournament putting pressure on himself and his teams. After he realized that it's so much dependent on matchups, bouncing of the ball and yes fate in one and done's. Keady relaxed told his players to just have fun and play hard in the tournament. His teams played alot better in the tournament after that. From 1984 to 1990 before changing his tune. Keady had nationally ranked teams that lost to lower seeds. He only got to sweet 16 once during that time. These were way better teams then Matt has had.

Matt Painter had not lost in 1st rd at Purdue until this year. Look at the losses too: 2007 lost to #1 Florida and repeat champ. 2008 lost to 4 SD Xaiver a vet team that had blown a 16 pt lead to Ohio St Oden/Conley team the previous season. 2009 team went to sweet 16 and lost to 1 SD Uconn Final 4 team. 2010 lost in sweet 16 to 1 SD Duke who won whole thing. If Robbi had not got hurt this team was playing great and would have been a 1 SD. What if they had made final 4? What would fans say today about Painter? 2011 Team was a disappointment losing to 11 Seed VCU. BUT that VCU team went to Final 4. 2012 Tean had 2 SD Kansas on the ropes losing to a team that lost in the Finals. Then 2013-2014 seasons lost seasons where program lost identity and I thought Painter had lost his way. 2015 was a bad loss in tourney way they blew game. But I don't see any history of bad play losing to lower seeds overall in Matt's Tourney resume.

Painter still struggles to recruit top talent but short of spending the kinda money to bring in such talent in the coaching ranks and overall program. You have to live with what you have, Painter teaches tough hard nose def Bball and alot of high recruit guys don't like that style. Watching tourney it was a joke how bad Purdue shot the 3. Purdue's swing players and guards all need to work on that for 2015-2016. Hopefully Cline comes along fast.

This post was edited on 3/22 10:23 PM by TJBoiler

 

[BoilerTom90]

I don't think it was a matter of GK's team peaking early.
I think it was a talent issue. GK always got his players to play hard. Often times, a lessor talented team can beat the more talented team simply by trying harder. When you get to the tourney, those talented players tend to rise to the occasion and are now trying just as hard as PU was. It's then the talent wins out.

 

[cprh9u]

Hard to put your finger on, but Painter doesn't do well in the tourney. Sure we've lost to some good teams, but teams like MSU (a 7 seed) go out and beat a 2 seed like Virginia. When has Painter beaten a far superior team in the NCAA tournament? Never. A higher seed? Maybe Washington (that was a 4/5 game and I think we were the 5?). Yipee.

 

[icewind7]

The problem comes when those 5 star recruits play as hard as you.

 

[Boiledin90]

CPRH9u...

OKAY OKAY...we all get it. You don't like Painter. We understand you want a new coach. Please move on...or go start a blog so the other 4 guys who agree with you can read it and you can enjoy the misery together.

 

[BBG]

Originally posted by Boiledin90:
CPRH9u...

OKAY OKAY...we all get it. You don't like Painter. We understand you want a new coach. Please move on...or go start a blog so the other 4 guys who agree with you can read it and you can enjoy the misery together.

He's hated on Painter since he was hired and best to just slap him on ignore. I'm not really sure what his agenda is nor do I even think he really is a Boiler, but your post is spot on. What is funny is that they will scream that we all are content with being "mediocre" (which a top tier B1G finish shows we aren't, but whatever) and that is furthest from the truth. We just aren't quick to can a coach that has shown he can be successful in the not too distant past, made mistakes but "owned up to them" and has a solid team returning and good recruits to fill the voids coming in.

Plus I guarantee that if we brought in a new coach and he didn't accomplish a quarter of what Painter did in the same time period, the excuse would be the same as we are seeing with football: "he deserves more time because he is cleaning up a mess". So basically, at that point they would give "their guy" more leash because it is all emotional for them.

Now, if AJH comes back and we sink to the bottom, then I would be a bit more of a "time for a change" guy, but I and apparently the majority of other people on here, just don't see that happening. We had a very young team this year and that team turned things around MID SEASON in such a way that they were able to get to the NCAA tourney. That says we have a good team and a good coaching staff whether the haters want to see it or not.

 

[Boiledin90]

I believe Painter will get there. I agree there was a hiccup, but am hopeful that is behind us and we'll start to see a steady build. LIke the guys coming in...like what is here. I think the consitency will prove to be a winning model when we look back on it in years to come. Boiler Up!!!!

 

[BBG]

Originally posted by Boiledin90:
I believe Painter will get there. I agree there was a hiccup, but am hopeful that is behind us and we'll start to see a steady build. LIke the guys coming in...like what is here. I think the consitency will prove to be a winning model when we look back on it in years to come. Boiler Up!!!!

Exactly. There most certainly were hiccups the previous two years and had Painter not owned up to them, then I probably would be wondering if he was our long term solution as well. But to me, integrity is a very important trait I want in a coach and Painter has shown he has that.

We have a bright future ahead .. BTFU!

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Originally posted by cprh9u:

Hard to put your finger on, but Painter doesn't do well in the tourney. Sure we've lost to some good teams, but teams like MSU (a 7 seed) go out and beat a 2 seed like Virginia. When has Painter beaten a far superior team in the NCAA tournament? Never. A higher seed? Maybe Washington (that was a 4/5 game and I think we were the 5?). Yipee.

CPRH.....please....for the rest of us, would you post one good trait that you believe Painter has. Just one.

 

[cprh9u]

Originally posted by BBG:

Originally posted by Boiledin90:
CPRH9u...

OKAY OKAY...we all get it. You don't like Painter. We understand you want a new coach. Please move on...or go start a blog so the other 4 guys who agree with you can read it and you can enjoy the misery together.

He's hated on Painter since he was hired

I didn't even have a membership when CMP was hired. Not sure if my handle shows the year I joined and I'm not going to the trouble to look it up for you but it was just a few years ago.

I thought CMP was an ok hire. He got the 2007 class and they looked like world beaters, and I was all about him. Yes, I wa a big Painter fan. I knew it would be incredibly difficult to get top 10 classes all the time, but I thought he could recruit a lot better than he has at that time. When the flirting with Mizzou came about, I wanted us to keep Painter... and I have regretted it ever since. CMP did a great job of selling himself to Burke and the fanbase and maximizing the little run he had with that class. And he is a good fit at Purdue as he is respected and doesn't cut corners, etc. But he is who we thought he was after 10 years on the job. Missing out on the best recruits (outside of 2007), losing in the biggest games, and never advancing past a sweet 16.

You don't have to lie about me to try and make a point. I didn't "hate" on Painter when he was hired, and was totally on his bandwagon for a few years. Now I have seen what he really is and I am baffled so many of you don't. Meanwhile, coaches like Izzo and Ryan and Marshall (how is he still at Wichita State!?!?) keep getting to and winning in March.

 

[mathboy]

Originally posted by Bruce1:
Is that he seems to be like GK. His team's play well thru the Big and peak too early. GK's teams tore thru the Big, peaked too early, and we're out of gas for the tourney. Meanwhile, Izzo might come in 3rd or 4th in the Big but go on a tear in the tourney. Initially, Painter, with Teague and Landry appeared to be timing the year that way too but since then his team's too peaked too early. I wish I had the answer.

IIRC that Landry-Teague team ran into the eventual National CHampions in the second round. If only they had played better during the season, they might have recieved a better seed, and played a little longer.

 

[seminolesboilers]

Keady Klone...what do you expect.