Mr. Burke, please go to the Minnesota AD for a workshop before the next contract.

[RegionWarrior101]

Tracy Claeys did not get a guaranteed 6 year deal with a massive buyout.

http://footballscoop.com/news/interim-head-coach-tracy-claeys-is-minnesotas-new-head-coach/

On the side note, good for him, good for Minnesota. Amazing what a staff who has worked together before for many years can accomplish.

 

[pboiler18]

Tracy Claeys did not get a guaranteed 6 year deal with a massive buyout.

http://footballscoop.com/news/interim-head-coach-tracy-claeys-is-minnesotas-new-head-coach/

On the side note, good for him, good for Minnesota. Amazing what a staff who has worked together before for many years can accomplish.

Just not the same situation we were in 3 years ago. It's apples to oranges.

Claeys didn't really have much of a leg to stand on as far as negotiation in this. Minny could have just as easily hopped on the coaching carousel and nabbed a pretty good coach. If they would have, they would have most likely signed a MAC guy and had to give him a 5-6 year contract with guarantees.

Again....here's a newsflash. Purdue isn't an elite job and its a VERY hard place to recruit. To get good coaches to come here we are going to have to pay more and guarantee more than our competition.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Just not the same situation we were in 3 years ago. It's apples to oranges.

Claeys didn't really have much of a leg to stand on as far as negotiation in this. Minny could have just as easily hopped on the coaching carousel and nabbed a pretty good coach. If they would have, they would have most likely signed a MAC guy and had to give him a 5-6 year contract with guarantees.

Again....here's a newsflash. Purdue isn't an elite job and its a VERY hard place to recruit. To get good coaches to come here we are going to have to pay more and guarantee more than our competition.

Agreed. I'm surprised Minny offered him, particularly after botching the end of the UM game badly.

And no good coach would sign on to a school for less than 4 years. They would demand that from a recruiting perspective.

 

[Statey]

Agreed. I'm surprised Minny offered him, particularly after botching the end of the UM game badly.

And no good coach would sign on to a school for less than 4 years. They would demand that from a recruiting perspective.

I wouldn't necessarily say the coach "botched" the end of the game. It was goaline situation and he went for the win. The run got stuffed and they lost, but it took some balls to go for it knowing that through the convenience of hindsight, everyone was going to criticize the decision if the play isn't a success.

On a related note, Hazell has been talking for the last 3 weeks about being more aggressive. Claeys' move was the very definition of aggressive; credit him for putting his team in a situation where converting on a 4th and goal in the 4th quarter gets you a W against a ranked team (or ANY team, for that matter).

 

[Fan4Life]

I wouldn't necessarily say the coach "botched" the end of the game. It was goaline situation and he went for the win. The run got stuffed and they lost, but it took some balls to go for it knowing that through the convenience of hindsight, everyone was going to criticize the decision if the play isn't a success.

It was first and goal from the half a yard out. 19 seconds with 1 timeout. Only got 2 plays off and never used the timeout. It was botched. He didn't realize the clock would go once they set the ball and called a very slow shifting pass play that failed and left only 2 seconds for another play.

 

[Statey]

It was first and goal from the half a yard out. 19 seconds with 1 timeout. Only got 2 plays off and never used the timeout. It was botched. He didn't realize the clock would go once they set the ball and called a very slow shifting pass play that failed and left only 2 seconds for another play.

Alright, well I missed a couple of the particulars as I only caught replays. Can we split the difference at half-botched? They still got 2 attempts at it and they had the right mentality of trying to win it, IMO. You're playing against a superior opponent, one score wins it, it's short yardage, the crowd is behind you, I say let it ride! But based on your notes, it could have been organized a little better, but no guarantee the result is any different.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Alright, well I missed a couple of the particulars as I only caught replays. Can we split the difference at half-botched? They still got 2 attempts at it and they had the right mentality of trying to win it, IMO. You're playing against a superior opponent, one score wins it, it's short yardage, the crowd is behind you, I say let it ride! But based on your notes, it could have been organized a little better, but no guarantee the result is any different.

The aggressive go for the win thought was fine, and I don't mind the play call either, but as Fan4 stated, the clock management was atrocious. I think they may have actually had two time-outs left (edit: they only had one). It cost them at least one play.....maybe two depending upon what is called. Keep in mind, this was after having time to think this through during the review of the TD play that was reversed to put the ball @ the one-yard line.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Agreed. I'm surprised Minny offered him, particularly after botching the end of the UM game badly.

And no good coach would sign on to a school for less than 4 years. They would demand that from a recruiting perspective.

I think the "contract for recruiting" idea is becoming antiquated. Kids now can't be that naive. Unless it is a rare situation like Pat Fitzgerald (I would be beyond shocked if he ever left) kids know that what it is today may not be that way tomorrow. See Wisconsin. Urban Meyer and Harbaugh may go to the NFL with 8 years on a deal. I think where you see may contracts come into play is with successful old-timers. People who aren't leaving to take another but are ending their run, ala Beamer, Spurrier, Tiller, etc.

 

[lbodel]

Just not the same situation we were in 3 years ago. It's apples to oranges.

Claeys didn't really have much of a leg to stand on as far as negotiation in this. Minny could have just as easily hopped on the coaching carousel and nabbed a pretty good coach. If they would have, they would have most likely signed a MAC guy and had to give him a 5-6 year contract with guarantees.

Again....here's a newsflash. Purdue isn't an elite job and its a VERY hard place to recruit. To get good coaches to come here we are going to have to pay more and guarantee more than our competition.

I don't think this is a good comparison, but I do agree that the contract Purdue gave Hazell was not the best. Doeren, which was considered a similar (if not better) candidate than Hazell received a contract for less money and fewer years than Hazell at NC State. The money isn't a big deal to me, but 6 years is way too many.

That being said, I think our hands were forced. Purdue had lost out on some of its options and Hazell was really the main one left at the time - we had to get him and obviously the length of contract is what they upped.

 

[loftygoal]

I don't think this is a good comparison, but I do agree that the contract Purdue gave Hazell was not the best. Doeren, which was considered a similar (if not better) candidate than Hazell received a contract for less money and fewer years than Hazell at NC State. The money isn't a big deal to me, but 6 years is way too many.

That being said, I think our hands were forced. Purdue had lost out on some of its options and Hazell was really the main one left at the time - we had to get him and obviously the length of contract is what they upped.

Speaking of botched execution.... The transition/hiring team was assembled what seemed to be well after the announcement that Hope was fired and even though there seemed to be an expectation that Butch Jones was going to take the job. Jones stiffed us and we were in no man's land. But your right -- Haz was about the last man left. That's why it's important to know what you're going to do now and not wait until the year is over to get the ball rolling on trying to find another coach.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

I wouldn't necessarily say the coach "botched" the end of the game. It was goaline situation and he went for the win. The run got stuffed and they lost, but it took some balls to go for it knowing that through the convenience of hindsight, everyone was going to criticize the decision if the play isn't a success.

On a related note, Hazell has been talking for the last 3 weeks about being more aggressive. Claeys' move was the very definition of aggressive; credit him for putting his team in a situation where converting on a 4th and goal in the 4th quarter gets you a W against a ranked team (or ANY team, for that matter).

He completely wasted 10-15 seconds. He should've had at minimum one more play. Terrible situational awareness. His team acted like they didn't realize the clock would start before the snap.

 

[lbodel]

Speaking of botched execution.... The transition/hiring team was assembled what seemed to be well after the announcement that Hope was fired and even though there seemed to be an expectation that Butch Jones was going to take the job. Jones stiffed us and we were in no man's land. But your right -- Haz was about the last man left. That's why it's important to know what you're going to do now and not wait until the year is over to get the ball rolling on trying to find another coach.

This is why it's not a bad thing to fire a coach before the end of the season. I think what Maryland did was a tad aggressive (they seemed to have timed it in their toughest stretch when wins wouldn't be happening), but firing a coach lets you put things together without having to keep it a secret. Trying to do things behind the scenes secretly while you have a coach in place is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Hatter22]

Can't fire him yet. He's hasn't lost any more games than Hope did (27) and if he can win the next 16 games he equals Hope's record and puts us in the 2016 playoff.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Trying to do things behind the scenes secretly while you have a coach in place is a recipe for disaster.

Can it really be any more of a disaster than it already is? Leaks about a coaching search can't possibly make us play any worse.

 

[lbodel]

Can it really be any more of a disaster than it already is? Leaks about a coaching search can't possibly make us play any worse.

It's more so on the PR side of things.

The deafening silence from Purdue right now is a no win. You either put out public backing of him (not "leaked" statements) from your AD/President and stick with it, or you go ahead and pull the trigger. We are playing for nothing at this point.

 

[AZboiler]

It's more so on the PR side of things.

The deafening silence from Purdue right now is a no win. You either put out public backing of him (not "leaked" statements) from your AD/President and stick with it, or you go ahead and pull the trigger. We are playing for nothing at this point.

I have to agree here, either double down with coach Hazell to get the ship righted, or make a change.
Doing nothing is a really bad call…. Alums, fans and recruits are looking at this mess any trying to figure out the next steps THEY will take.

 

[Statey]

He completely wasted 10-15 seconds. He should've had at minimum one more play. Terrible situational awareness. His team acted like they didn't realize the clock would start before the snap.

OK, maybe it was more botched than I realized from catching highlights. I'll concede on that point. If they had scored though, then the wasting of the clock would have then been to their advantage as U-Mich would have had little to no time to run any plays when getting the ball back. Most fans's judgment (not necessarily yours in particular) is about what was good or not good is predicated on whether they ultimately got the TD or not. The media and reporters also have such a hindsight mentality. The Minny coach may have blundered the execution, but they had the right idea, IMO (to go all-in for a chance to get a statement win). Can you imagine the feel-good story that would have come out of that, on the heels of Kill's need to step down? You only get one shot at moments like that; I'm still glad they went for it.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

OK, maybe it was more botched than I realized from catching highlights. I'll concede on that point. If they had scored though, then the wasting of the clock would have then been to their advantage as U-Mich would have had little to no time to run any plays when getting the ball back. Most fans's judgment (not necessarily yours in particular) is about what was good or not good is predicated on whether they ultimately got the TD or not. The media and reporters also have such a hindsight mentality. The Minny coach may have blundered the execution, but they had the right idea, IMO (to go all-in for a chance to get a statement win). Can you imagine the feel-good story that would have come out of that, on the heels of Kill's need to step down? You only get one shot at moments like that; I'm still glad they went for it.

Totally agree. Going for it was the right call. They just seemed totally confused and in hindsight having two chances versus one is preferable.

From everything I've heard the team loves the guy. So I'm sure that played a huge role in the extension.

 

[lbodel]

I have to agree here, either double down with coach Hazell to get the ship righted, or make a change.
Doing nothing is a really bad call…. Alums, fans and recruits are looking at this mess any trying to figure out the next steps THEY will take.

The media is now peppering Hazell with questions (while the AD/University is silent) and now you have people de-committing. Something has to be done.

 

[loftygoal]

The media is now peppering Hazell with questions (while the AD/University is silent) and now you have people de-committing. Something has to be done.

Yes I have to agree with all of the above discussion that we need to get off of the fence and move one way or the other. If we let him go now it's not like more damage to this year can be done than where we are at. Additionally, it's not like we're going to witness a miraculous turnaround. And I hadn't factored in the damage being done to recruiting. But that means moving forward now on the selection of a new coach and not waiting for the season to end before hiring a firm to help.