Morgan Burkes legacy

[jageh345]

Burke has done a lot of good work during his tenure.Facilities improvements and a conservative management of the departments finances,but he made a fool of himself announcing Hazells return before the season ended and before Hazell achieved the worst 3 year record in Purdue history.
I'm afraid his legacy will be two bad football hires and a football program in shambles.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Legacy will be all he did for Olympic sports. (Never visited any of the facilities but they look nice) A first rate softball and baseball complex. A nice swimming/diving hole. An indoor tennis facility. Track that does the best it can with dated facilities. Preserving Mackey to incorporate some old with the new (although I would still have rather built something new that could seat some more people). A football facility he has always been about 15 years behind on updating starting with the press box and locker room which were about 10 years past due when done. A very reactionary man with big sports.

Maybe his legacy is Robinhood. Steal from football to help softball.

I am sure if you asked the Olympic coaches they would rather he take care of football instead of his Athletic Socialism and giving something to everyone. A full football stadium is revenue for the whole department. A full football stadium helps with recruiting. Imagine bringing a track athlete in for a visit to see a Top 25 football game with 60,000 fans? If he would take care of football everything would be fine.

 

[Fan4Life]

I agree his legacy will be tainted by the way football looks at the end of his tenure (assuming it has not rebounded by the time he retires.) However, he hired Joe Tiller (all time leader in Purdue football wins) and Matt Painter. He hired women's basketball coaches that have won a national championship and been to other finals and final fours.

As for Olympic sports, I think many are too quick to dismiss these projects as wasted money. At the time of his hire, the baseball, softball, swimming, soccer, and golf facilities were in worse shape than many high schools used at the time. They are now all near the top of the Big Ten. Are these revenue driving sports? No. But I can say honestly that when I was a student in the early '90s, it was embarrassing to look at these facilities. My high school of 800 students had a MUCH better baseball field and comparable tennis courts to what Purdue offered in 1991.

He may be late in doing things, but he has been fiscally responsible at every step while achieving quite a bit. I would think in today's climate of escalating debt by every level of government, that we would appreciate this a bit more.

 

[Indy_Rider]

I agree his legacy will be tainted by the way football looks at the end of his tenure (assuming it has not rebounded by the time he retires.) However, he hired Joe Tiller (all time leader in Purdue football wins) and Matt Painter. He hired women's basketball coaches that have won a national championship and been to other finals and final fours.

As for Olympic sports, I think many are too quick to dismiss these projects as wasted money. At the time of his hire, the baseball, softball, swimming, soccer, and golf facilities were in worse shape than many high schools used at the time. They are now all near the top of the Big Ten. Are these revenue driving sports? No. But I can say honestly that when I was a student in the early '90s, it was embarrassing to look at these facilities. My high school of 800 students had a MUCH better baseball field and comparable tennis courts to what Purdue offered in 1991.

He may be late in doing things, but he has been fiscally responsible at every step while achieving quite a bit. I would think in today's climate of escalating debt by every level of government, that we would appreciate this a bit more.

Yeah, I think what he did build and accomplished will be his lasting legacy, the football missteps will be pointed to in the short term, but facility upgrades on a tight budget will be long term legacy and that includes the new football facility that is coming.

 

[boilermaker75]

I agree his legacy will be tainted by the way football looks at the end of his tenure (assuming it has not rebounded by the time he retires.) However, he hired Joe Tiller (all time leader in Purdue football wins) and Matt Painter. He hired women's basketball coaches that have won a national championship and been to other finals and final fours.

As for Olympic sports, I think many are too quick to dismiss these projects as wasted money. At the time of his hire, the baseball, softball, swimming, soccer, and golf facilities were in worse shape than many high schools used at the time. They are now all near the top of the Big Ten. Are these revenue driving sports? No. But I can say honestly that when I was a student in the early '90s, it was embarrassing to look at these facilities. My high school of 800 students had a MUCH better baseball field and comparable tennis courts to what Purdue offered in 1991.

He may be late in doing things, but he has been fiscally responsible at every step while achieving quite a bit. I would think in today's climate of escalating debt by every level of government, that we would appreciate this a bit more.

Tiller was his third choice. Burke got lucky his first two turned him down.

Carolyn Peck left because of Burke. Peck was poised to make Woman's BB something special. Women's BB has been in decline ever since.

There would have been plenty of money today for the olympic sports if Burke took care of football. When Devon Brouse needed a little more money to keep his great assistant, who had recruited all those top international women golfers, Burke wouldn't cough it up.

 

[Statey]

I am sure if you asked the Olympic coaches they would rather he take care of football instead of his Athletic Socialism and giving something to everyone.

It probably goes without saying, but you do realize "athletic socialism" is how ALL college athletic departments are designed to work, right? Football and mens basketball - for some schools - are the only* self-sustaining sports. Everything hinges on those 2. Pumping more money into the football team - in an ideal world - just leads to even greater athletic socialism than what you see today. You seem to be arguing against something that is in all reality a necessity. Not suggesting you're wrong by any means in thinking that all sports stand to benefit potentially when football is good, just that I think you have it all backwards with your angst toward athletic socialism.

* Don't nitpick on my usage of "only"; I'm sure there are a handful of random sports that have enough paying fans to pull their own weight. Like Minnesota Hockey or something.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

It probably goes without saying, but you do realize "athletic socialism" is how ALL college athletic departments are designed to work, right? Football and mens basketball - for some schools - are the only* self-sustaining sports. Everything hinges on those 2. Pumping more money into the football team - in an ideal world - just leads to even greater athletic socialism than what you see today. You seem to be arguing against something that is in all reality a necessity.

* Don't nitpick on my usage of "only"; I'm sure there are a handful of random sports that have enough paying fans to pull their own weight. Like Minnesota Hockey or something.

I understand that, but these things are upgraded at the expense of football. Football needed more upgrades 15 years ago. We did about 1/3 of what we needed. We got a new press box and a locker room because a player coughed up a million bucks. Then we built a pool. Then we built a tennis center. Then we built new baseball fields after that. Then we built x, y, z. Meanwhile what football had is now the worst, football facility in the conference so lets put a band-aid on that. Back in 2002 or whenever they did the press box they should have addressed the South Endzone, our weight room, offices, etc. Right now we had condemned bleachers so they put up a tent and a pergola and it looks like a high school graduation party. Remember how many years and torn ACLs it took to put field turf in Mollenkopf? Again, REACTIONARY!

 

[BoilerBonz]

I agree his legacy will be tainted by the way football looks at the end of his tenure (assuming it has not rebounded by the time he retires.) However, he hired Joe Tiller (all time leader in Purdue football wins) and Matt Painter. He hired women's basketball coaches that have won a national championship and been to other finals and final fours.

As for Olympic sports, I think many are too quick to dismiss these projects as wasted money. At the time of his hire, the baseball, softball, swimming, soccer, and golf facilities were in worse shape than many high schools used at the time. They are now all near the top of the Big Ten. Are these revenue driving sports? No. But I can say honestly that when I was a student in the early '90s, it was embarrassing to look at these facilities. My high school of 800 students had a MUCH better baseball field and comparable tennis courts to what Purdue offered in 1991.

He may be late in doing things, but he has been fiscally responsible at every step while achieving quite a bit. I would think in today's climate of escalating debt by every level of government, that we would appreciate this a bit more.

Don't confuse being tightfisted and cheap with being "fiscally responsible." It's not "fiscally responsible" to under-invest in football for a critical decade, when you have some momentum in the sport, and instead spend the profits from football on non-revenue sports, and then comeback, after all momentum in football is lost, and say, oh, now we're ready to make some some progress on that list of items that put us last in the B1G in football facilities.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

http://www.offtackleempire.com/2015/12/2/9673136/b1g-all-sports-standings-15-16-kickoff

But we are the best Bang for your Buck school in the conference, so we got that going for us.

 

[BoilerStutz]

His legacy is one of arrogance. And there will not be much of a legacy as the next AD should be able to make quick progress with the revenue sports.

Folks in the athletic department cannot stand Burke. College coaches outside of Purdue have no interest in working for him and his silly and and uninformed micro-management.

There will be a renaissance upon his departure. It may take awhile, but Purdue revenue sports should return to their traditional strength once this goof is gone.

It will be interesting to see if the maintenance costs of his excessive non-revenue sports become an issue.

 

[boilermaker75]

His legacy is one of arrogance. And there will not be much of a legacy as the next AD should be able to make quick progress with the revenue sports.

Folks in the athletic department cannot stand Burke. College coaches outside of Purdue have no interest in working for him and his silly and and uninformed micro-management.

There will be a renaissance upon his departure. It may take awhile, but Purdue revenue sports should return to their traditional strength once this goof is gone.

It will be interesting to see if the maintenance costs of his excessive non-revenue sports become an issue.

Exactly and why they all refer to him as Big M little organ. They were already calling him that back when Peck was still coaching here.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

http://www.offtackleempire.com/2015/12/2/9673136/b1g-all-sports-standings-15-16-kickoff

But we are the best Bang for your Buck school in the conference, so we got that going for us.

Which is nice.

 

[boilersallthewaynow]

I agree his legacy will be tainted by the way football looks at the end of his tenure (assuming it has not rebounded by the time he retires.) However, he hired Joe Tiller (all time leader in Purdue football wins) and Matt Painter. He hired women's basketball coaches that have won a national championship and been to other finals and final fours.

As for Olympic sports, I think many are too quick to dismiss these projects as wasted money. At the time of his hire, the baseball, softball, swimming, soccer, and golf facilities were in worse shape than many high schools used at the time. They are now all near the top of the Big Ten. Are these revenue driving sports? No. But I can say honestly that when I was a student in the early '90s, it was embarrassing to look at these facilities. My high school of 800 students had a MUCH better baseball field and comparable tennis courts to what Purdue offered in 1991.

He may be late in doing things, but he has been fiscally responsible at every step while achieving quite a bit. I would think in today's climate of escalating debt by every level of government, that we would appreciate this a bit more.

It isn't that the other sports shouldn't have those improvements made but rather if in doing so you severely damage your major revenue sports in the process.
He has literally prioritized Olympic/drag on revenue sports at the expense of football in particular.

Robbing Peter to pay paul.

Football is years and a new coaching staff away from recovering.

We already have enough experience with the Haze to conclude that he can't recruit or coach his way out of the mess that is Purdue football.

Very frustrating.

 

[Purduethruandthru]

Strangely enough, the person that will appreciate Burke the most will be his successor. She/He will come in with very little to worry about other than the football program. In that very visible part of the job there is nowhere to go but up. She/He will be positioned to look like a hero if She/He can do even a slightly above average job.

 

[FirstDownB]

Robbing Peter to pay paul
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I wish it was simply robbing Peter to pay Paul. To me it is more like robbing David of his sling and last 5 stones, sending him out to battle Goliath, and pawning the sling for a few bucks to build a new fence for his brothers' pet goats.
Then when David is slaughtered the Philestines roll in and level the entire tribe, leaving only the worthless goat fence standing.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

I wish it was simply robbing Peter to pay Paul. To me it is more like robbing David of his sling and last 5 stones, sending him out to battle Goliath, and pawning the sling for a few bucks to build a new fence for his brothers' pet goats.
Then when David is slaughtered the Philestines roll in and level the entire tribe, leaving only the worthless goat fence standing.

I have to give you credit for a very specific and colorful analogy.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I wish it was simply robbing Peter to pay Paul. To me it is more like robbing David of his sling and last 5 stones, sending him out to battle Goliath, and pawning the sling for a few bucks to build a new fence for his brothers' pet goats.
Then when David is slaughtered the Philestines roll in and level the entire tribe, leaving only the worthless goat fence standing.

Post of the week.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

It was the best of times...Tiller and it was the worst of times...Hazellnut, problem is that Tiller was a 2nd choice after Davie turned us down, Hazellnut was, at best 4th or 5th and we sold our souls down the river with a TERRIBLE contract to get him. That is his legacy!

 

[RegionWarrior101]

It was the best of times...Tiller and it was the worst of times...Hazellnut, problem is that Tiller was a 2nd choice after Davie turned us down, Hazellnut was, at best 4th or 5th and we sold our souls down the river with a TERRIBLE contract to get him. That is his legacy!

Guaranteed money to a guy who had one winning season in two years of a mid level conference? Makes sense!