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If someone asked me that question I’d consider it a simple answer, “Yes, I believe everything I post.”
Really? Then why didn't you answer me earlier in this thread when I asked you to confirm your statement that Biden "actually believes in the rule of law".

Instead, you slunk away and hid, which I assumed was because you realized what an idiot statement it was but didn't want to admit it.

Here's your chance, Sheriff: Do you believe Biden believes in the rule of law, as you stated?
 

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Really? Then why didn't you answer me earlier in this thread when I asked you to confirm your statement that Biden "actually believes in the rule of law".

Instead, you slunk away and hid, which I assumed was because you realized what an idiot statement it was but didn't want to admit it.

Here's your chance, Sheriff: Do you believe Biden believes in the rule of law, as you stated?
I think generally yes, but he’s a (very very old) politician, so he weasels at times. As you must know, I am NOT a fan of Biden. I just think that there is one choice that’s exponentially worse.

Here’s the link to the dinner the “worst choice” had this week when he invited Kanye West and noted white supremacist and anti-Semite Fuentes into his home:

 

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I think generally yes, but he’s a (very very old) politician, so he weasels at times. As you must know, I am NOT a fan of Biden. I just think that there is one choice that’s exponentially worse.

Here’s the link to the dinner the “worst choice” had this week when he invited Kanye West and noted white supremacist and anti-Semite Fuentes into his home:


So no one is gonna touch the Trump private dinner with "deathCon3 to the Jews" Kanye, and Holocaust denier/Charlottesville organizer Nick Fuentes, who recently stated "The media had been comparing Vladimir Putin to Hitler as if that wasn't a good thing," "Can we get a round of applause for Russia?"

After the dinner, Trump said he "was impressed" by Fuentes, adding "he gets me."
 

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So no one is gonna touch the Trump private dinner with "deathCon3 to the Jews" Kanye, and Holocaust denier/Charlottesville organizer Nick Fuentes, who recently stated "The media had been comparing Vladimir Putin to Hitler as if that wasn't a good thing," "Can we get a round of applause for Russia?"

After the dinner, Trump said he "was impressed" by Fuentes, adding "he gets me."
Hard to tell if you are more obsessed with Trump or with gaining our approval to boost your iu inferiority complex under your other pathetic user name.
 

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Hard to tell if you are more obsessed with Trump or with gaining our approval to boost your iu inferiority complex under your other pathetic user name.
So you're either:
  • Not bothered with Trump inviting Kanye and Fuentes to dinner at Mar A Lago and being impressed by Fuentes, or,
  • You can condemn it.

I condemn the former President and (according to him) leading current Presidential candidate in the strongest terms possible. What he has previously done and did on this occasion is pathetic, offensive, and disgusting.

And you?


ps: I have only had one user name ever - this one. -- the mods can confirm.
 

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So you're either:
  • Not bothered with Trump inviting Kanye and Fuentes to dinner at Mar A Lago and being impressed by Fuentes, or,
  • You can condemn it.

I condemn the former President and (according to him) leading current Presidential candidate in the strongest terms possible. What he has previously done and did on this occasion is pathetic, offensive, and disgusting.

And you?


ps: I have only had one user name ever - this one. -- the mods can confirm.
These folks consistently accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being the same person with alternate accounts. Because they literally can't conceive of people disagreeing with their regurgitated Daily Wire pablum
 
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These folks consistently accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being the same person with alternate accounts. Because they literally can't conceive of people disagreeing with their regurgitated Daily Wire pablum
It's kinda crazy. But while I have been accused of so many things, until this I haven't been accused of posting under an alias or being a liar. I hope that I am remarkably consistent. My consistency is that I am NOT a Biden fan, I'm a registered R who votes for and prefers Republicans who believe in the rule of law and are not cult worshipping sycophants, and that I believe that Trump is pathetic, horrible, and one of the pre-eminent threats to the United States of America.

And I have a real problem with anyone that won't acknowledge the basic reality of the danger Trump poses.
 
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It's kinda crazy. But while I have been accused of so many things, until this I haven't been accused of posting under an alias or being a liar. I hope that I am remarkably consistent. My consistency is that I am NOT a Biden fan, I'm a registered R who votes for and prefers Republicans who believe in the rule of law and are not cult worshipping sycophants, and that I believe that Trump is pathetic, horrible, and one of the pre-eminent threats to the United States of America.

And I have a real problem with anyone that won't acknowledge the basic reality of the danger Trump poses.
They can’t do it. They will dodge and weave but never address the elephant in the room. Why? Because the need to “own the libs” is so strong that they will still happily vote for him again if that’s what it comes down to. I mean look at the last two years: instead of ridding itself of Trump once and for all and focusing on moderates who actually want to work across the aisle, a good chunk of the party has doubled down on the ridiculous rhetoric and nonsense. And while the midterms were a pretty strong message that a lot of this country is tired of said nonsense, when push comes to shove, the party itself collectively shrugs.

That he still has an iota of influence in the party tells you all you need to know about the state of the party. He should never have been allowed to announce he’s running again in 2024, but instead of finding a moderate group of candidates to focus on, the Republican Party has continued to be a dumpster fire while letting folks like MTG run the show.

So when folks like riveting can’t even bring themselves to say “yeah, having dinner with a white supremacist and an anti-Semite is pretty bad “ and instead move to immediately insult someone, well, one can only assume they’re fine and dandy with it.
 

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They can’t do it. They will dodge and weave but never address the elephant in the room. Why? Because the need to “own the libs” is so strong that they will still happily vote for him again if that’s what it comes down to. I mean look at the last two years: instead of ridding itself of Trump once and for all and focusing on moderates who actually want to work across the aisle, a good chunk of the party has doubled down on the ridiculous rhetoric and nonsense. And while the midterms were a pretty strong message that a lot of this country is tired of said nonsense, when push comes to shove, the party itself collectively shrugs.

That he still has an iota of influence in the party tells you all you need to know about the state of the party. He should never have been allowed to announce he’s running again in 2024, but instead of finding a moderate group of candidates to focus on, the Republican Party has continued to be a dumpster fire while letting folks like MTG run the show.

So when folks like riveting can’t even bring themselves to say “yeah, having dinner with a white supremacist and an anti-Semite is pretty bad “ and instead move to immediately insult someone, well, one can only assume they’re fine and dandy with it.
Neither side will work across the aisle anymore aside of maybe one or two.
 

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So you're either:
  • Not bothered with Trump inviting Kanye and Fuentes to dinner at Mar A Lago and being impressed by Fuentes, or,
  • You can condemn it.

I condemn the former President and (according to him) leading current Presidential candidate in the strongest terms possible. What he has previously done and did on this occasion is pathetic, offensive, and disgusting.

And you?


ps: I have only had one user name ever - this one. -- the mods can confirm.
How do you know Trump invited him?
 

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They can’t do it. They will dodge and weave but never address the elephant in the room. Why? Because the need to “own the libs” is so strong that they will still happily vote for him again if that’s what it comes down to. I mean look at the last two years: instead of ridding itself of Trump once and for all and focusing on moderates who actually want to work across the aisle, a good chunk of the party has doubled down on the ridiculous rhetoric and nonsense. And while the midterms were a pretty strong message that a lot of this country is tired of said nonsense, when push comes to shove, the party itself collectively shrugs.

That he still has an iota of influence in the party tells you all you need to know about the state of the party. He should never have been allowed to announce he’s running again in 2024, but instead of finding a moderate group of candidates to focus on, the Republican Party has continued to be a dumpster fire while letting folks like MTG run the show.

So when folks like riveting can’t even bring themselves to say “yeah, having dinner with a white supremacist and an anti-Semite is pretty bad “ and instead move to immediately insult someone, well, one can only assume they’re fine and dandy with it.
Still waiting for you to say the Colorado Springs murders were horrible, like I did, and not merely disgusting.
 

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It's kinda crazy. But while I have been accused of so many things, until this I haven't been accused of posting under an alias or being a liar. I hope that I am remarkably consistent. My consistency is that I am NOT a Biden fan, I'm a registered R who votes for and prefers Republicans who believe in the rule of law and are not cult worshipping sycophants, and that I believe that Trump is pathetic, horrible, and one of the pre-eminent threats to the United States of America.

And I have a real problem with anyone that won't acknowledge the basic reality of the danger Trump poses.
Who accused you of being a liar?

You are sounding more hysterical by the day.
 

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So you're either:
  • Not bothered with Trump inviting Kanye and Fuentes to dinner at Mar A Lago and being impressed by Fuentes, or,
  • You can condemn it.

I condemn the former President and (according to him) leading current Presidential candidate in the strongest terms possible. What he has previously done and did on this occasion is pathetic, offensive, and disgusting.

And you?


ps: I have only had one user name ever - this one. -- the mods can confirm.
I condemn Fuentes if what is said about him is true. I had never heard of him.

Trump says he did not invite him and had never heard of him either. Are you aware of evidence to contradict that -- or just enjoying another self-righteous rant so that you, Ted and puf can feel good about yourselves?
 

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I condemn Fuentes if what is said about him is true. I had never heard of him.

Trump says he did not invite him and had never heard of him either. Are you aware of evidence to contradict that -- or just enjoying another self-righteous rant so that you, Ted and puf can feel good about yourselves?
  1. If you are saying that President Trump has sit-down, four person dinners in his private residence at Mar A Lago and has no idea who the people are? Then you are equating Trump with a a complete senile moron and I never want to hear you compare Biden unfavorably for mental acuity again. (though Biden is old and not especially mentally acute).
  2. The highlighted portion from you is almost a direct quote of the defense offered by Donald Trump.
  3. IT'S NOT WHAT WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT FUENTES, IT'S WHAT FUENTES HAS SAID! He has said "Who runs the media? Globalists. Time to kill the globalists" , "You know what democracy has given us? Obesity. Low rates of literacy. It's given us divorce, abortion, gay marriage, liberalism, pornography. That's what democracy has given us. Ghettos and crime and political correctness. Diversity. Yeah, the track record of democracy? Not so good." "having sex with women is gay" and that "the only really straight heterosexual position is to be an asexual incel." “Why don’t you give her a vicious and forceful backhanded slap with your knuckles right across her face – disrespectfully – and make it hurt?...Just kidding of course…just a joke…I would never lay a hand on a women, unless she had it coming.” “The next big frontier for populist and conservative inc [sic; this is the America First term for establishment GOPers] to coopt [sic] is discussing Jewish Power." “Any serious person thinking about globalization and demographic changes should actually care a lot about racial differences in intelligence. But this subject doesn’t “interest” you because it’s not convenient for your trojan horse brand of kosher nationalism.”
Those introductory quotes took about 30 seconds on Google to come up with.
  1. Trump says he invited Kanye for a private dinner. You cool with that?
 
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Who accused you of being a liar?

You are sounding more hysterical by the day.
Oh, you accused me of posting under aliases while pretending to have only one handle. While you didn't use the exact word "liar" you described it completely.

"There are white, powdery, frozen water crystals falling from the sky tonight."
(later) "I never said it was snowing!"
 

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  1. He invited Kanye. Are you cool with that?
  2. The highlighted portion from you is almost a direct quote of the defense offered by Donald Trump. So, I think I understand you perfectly.
As 'cool' as I was with Obama being seen with Jeremiah Wright and Lous Farrakhan. In fact, more cool.

Just because Trump said it, doesn't mean it isn't true. Ask Leslie Stall.

Did someone call you a liar, or is that a lie?
 

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I condemn Fuentes if what is said about him is true. I had never heard of him.

Trump says he did not invite him and had never heard of him either. Are you aware of evidence to contradict that -- or just enjoying another self-righteous rant so that you, Ted and puf can feel good about yourselves?
Come on man, it's not like when Obama invited BLM Terrorists to the White House for a meal.
The MSM lapped that up.
 
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Oh, you accused me of posting under aliases while pretending to have only one handle. While you didn't use the exact word "liar" you described it completely.

"There are white, powdery, frozen water crystals falling from the sky tonight."
(later) "I never said it was snowing!"
Pretending to have only one handle? What does that mean, or is it just more hysteria blurting forth?
 

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I don’t know if trump knew anything about Fuentes before they met. MTG sure as hell knows him, she was a speaker at is convention.
But how can anyone be fine with trump not denouncing Fuentes AFTER he found out what he believes in? 3 posts on truth social by trump about the dinner and not one condemnation of Fuentes. Still nothing. Why?
 

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  1. If you are saying that President Trump has sit-down, four person dinners in his private residence at Mar A Lago and has no idea who the people are? Then you are equating Trump with a a complete senile moron and I never want to hear you compare Biden unfavorably for mental acuity again. (though Biden is old and not especially mentally acute).
Obviously I didn't say that, but your hoosier hysteria is clouding your thinking again.

I said Trump did know who Kanye is, but said he stated he did not know of the guy he brought with him. I had never heard of him either. Had you?

For that matter, I had never heard of the racist Jeremiah "GD America" Wright either until he popped up as Obama's long-time pastor and spiritual advisor during the 08 campaign. Had you?

I stick with my condemnation of Fuentes as stated above - and also my condemnation in terms as strong as your strongest terms possible (whatever that means) of Obama for being seen with the virulent antisemite Louis Farrakhan and the vicious racist Jeremiah Wright, and for selecting a known racist as his running mate in 2008 strictly because he thought it would help him win.
 

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Obviously I didn't say that, but your hoosier hysteria is clouding your thinking again.

I said Trump did know who Kanye is, but said he stated he did not know of the guy he brought with him. I had never heard of him either. Had you?

For that matter, I had never heard of the racist Jeremiah "GD America" Wright either until he popped up as Obama's long-time pastor and spiritual advisor during the 08 campaign. Had you?

I stick with my condemnation of Fuentes as stated above - and also my condemnation in terms as strong as your strongest terms possible (whatever that means) of Obama for being seen with the virulent antisemite Louis Farrakhan and the vicious racist Jeremiah Wright, and for selecting a known racist as his running mate in 2008 strictly because he thought it would help him win.
If you really believe this post and are not completely trolling? I am praying for your soul and your recovery from whatever happened in your life to get you to this point.

Godspeed and hoping you can get some help. For real.
 

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I don’t know if trump knew anything about Fuentes before they met. MTG sure as hell knows him, she was a speaker at is convention.
But how can anyone be fine with trump not denouncing Fuentes AFTER he found out what he believes in? 3 posts on truth social by trump about the dinner and not one condemnation of Fuentes. Still nothing. Why?
If he hasn't denounced Fuentes, it is reprehensible on Trump's part.

Even more reprehensible was Obama's long-time association with Wright. Not a case like Fuentes where Obama didn't know about the racist before dining with him. He didn't denounce Wright (or Farakhan ) until it became politically necessary during the 08 campaign.

Likewise, reprehensible for the dem party to let a former grand wizard (or whatever he was) of the kkk become a party icon, with Joe providing his loving eulogy.

Raising these latter points to help you, puff, Ted and the sheriff keep some semblance of perspective in the midst of your TDS hysteria. No need to thank me.
 

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If you really believe this post and are not completely trolling? I am praying for your soul and your recovery from whatever happened in your life to get you to this point.

Godspeed and hoping you can get some help. For real.
Care to back up your condescending post, or are you just looking for a way to back out of the corner you have painted yourself into?

Are you claiming Obama's association with Wright was not reprehensible?
 

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If he hasn't denounced Fuentes, it is reprehensible on Trump's part.

Even more reprehensible was Obama's long-time association with Wright. Not a case like Fuentes where Obama didn't know about the racist before dining with him. He didn't denounce Wright (or Farakhan ) until it became politically necessary during the 08 campaign.

Likewise, reprehensible for the dem party to let a former grand wizard (or whatever he was) of the kkk become a party icon, with Joe providing his loving eulogy.

Raising these latter points to help you, puff, Ted and the sheriff keep some semblance of perspective in the midst of your TDS hysteria. No need to thank me.
You have no idea why Obama chose to come out forcefully against both. It could have been strictly political…….but he did it. If it was political, he wasn’t afraid of alienating any voters……. and he was smart enough to do it.

Why hasn’t trump done the same thing? Have you got an answer? I will speculate just as you did. Trump doesn’t want to alienate the anti semites, misogynists, and white supremacists that will vote for him. He’s making yet another poor political calculation because he does not want to lose the love of any group, even the disgusting ones. Do you have another explanation…….without the deflection?
 

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You have no idea why Obama chose to come out forcefully against both. It could have been strictly political…….but he did it. If it was political, he wasn’t afraid of alienating any voters……. and he was smart enough to do it.

Why hasn’t trump done the same thing? Have you got an answer? I will speculate just as you did. Trump doesn’t want to alienate the anti semites, misogynists, and white supremacists that will vote for him. He’s making yet another poor political calculation because he does not want to lose the love of any group, even the disgusting ones. Do you have another explanation…….without the deflection?
I don't know why, but it seems pretty stupid to me on his part.

His policies overall were good for the nation, but he is a rotten person.
 
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I condemn Fuentes if what is said about him is true. I had never heard of him.

Trump says he did not invite him and had never heard of him either. Are you aware of evidence to contradict that -- or just enjoying another self-righteous rant so that you, Ted and puf can feel good about yourselves?

Come on man, it's not like when Obama invited BLM Terrorists to the White House for a meal.
The MSM lapped that up.
How are BLM terrorists?
 

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How are BLM terrorists?
If you accept this definition of "terrorist", then it should be obvious:

'a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.'

Knowing you, you might argue that BLM was actually in pursuit of shakedown money to buy mansions and so forth, since that is what their 'leaders' did, and I wouldn't disagree with you - but the point is still the same.
 

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If you accept this definition of "terrorist", then it should be obvious:

'a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.'

Knowing you, you might argue that BLM was actually in pursuit of shakedown money to buy mansions and so forth, since that is what their 'leaders' did, and I wouldn't disagree with you - but the point is still the same.
During those riots you had several things going on. The looting of the stores were mostly done by the local Negroes who are in no way affiliated with the BLM organization that y’all hate so much. The destruction of the city buildings and attacking police from what I saw were from a lot of white folks dressed in black. Antifa of course. Some black folks of course. Even the white dudes, your hero, Whittenhouse shot and killed, were there up to no good. Many like them throughout the the different cities of the riots causing havoc. Then there were the peaceful protestors marching with signs about the situation at hand, police brutality.

Therefore, these folks destroyed property. According to your definition what violence against civilians did they commit? The protests were about police brutality. So what was there political aim as you put it. You guys like to label this the “BLM” riots. I would bet that 90% of the folks causing all that destruction have never donated to the BLM organization, nor being card carrying members.
 

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I don't know why, but it seems pretty stupid to me on his part.

His policies overall were good for the nation, but he is a rotten person.
Sorry, it’s a package deal.

They weren’t his policies………as his belief system consists of pushing whatever policies will cause people to like him the most. The next original thought he has will be the first.

Sounds like you are working on your own TDS hysteria. Can’t have that both ways, but you’ll try.

I see all of you have your mantra down for the ‘24 Justification tour if trump gets the nomination.
 

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Care to back up your condescending post, or are you just looking for a way to back out of the corner you have painted yourself into?

Are you claiming Obama's association with Wright was not reprehensible?
Obama’s association with Wright was bad. It ended before he became President and he denounced it.

Trump’s response to this, Charlottesville, Jan 6th (especially) and so many other debacles has been “it’s not my fault” or doubling down on awfulness.
 

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Please name the terrorists that Obama invited to the White House.
The ones that were terrorizing people at restaurants, burning businesses, destroying our national heritage by destroying statues and burning historical churches and assaulting federal buildings.
Those BLM peaceful protestors.
And KH and all the lefty dolts that got took for donating money to Shalomyah Bowers.
 

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The ones that were terrorizing people at restaurants, burning businesses, destroying our national heritage by destroying statues and burning historical churches and assaulting federal buildings.
Those BLM peaceful protestors.
And KH and all the lefty dolts that got took for donating money to Shalomyah Bowers.
You still did not name any so called BLM "terrorists" that Obama invited to the White House.
 

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Sorry, it’s a package deal.

They weren’t his policies………as his belief system consists of pushing whatever policies will cause people to like him the most. The next original thought he has will be the first.

Sounds like you are working on your own TDS hysteria. Can’t have that both ways, but you’ll try.

I see all of you have your mantra down for the ‘24 Justification tour if trump gets the nomination.
At the very least, they were his policies in that he ordered them to be implemented.

Do you also think Joe's open border and energy dependence policies, to take two of his many debacles as examples, are not his based on the same disjointed reasoning?

I have asked you many times which of Trump's policies you think were harmful to the nation, and you always hide - which means, apparently, you can't think of any. You just know you hate Trump.
 
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The ones that were terrorizing people at restaurants, burning businesses, destroying our national heritage by destroying statues and burning historical churches and assaulting federal buildings.
Those BLM peaceful protestors.
And KH and all the lefty dolts that got took for donating money to Shalomyah Bowers.

Obama invited all of those people into the White House? Did he have a private dinner with them? Dang, that would be a lot of people at dinner.

And since those riots largely occurred during 2020 and Obama left the White House in early 2016, I'm wondering how the hell Obama invited them into the White House, and once inside did they have a meeting with Obama or Trump?!?

Finally, if "destroying our national heritage by destroying statues" equates to statues of Confederate Generals?!? Then you should go move to the country that is led by the ancestors of Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee, you treason-loving piece of ignorance.
 
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