This team better figure out how to start hitting 3s.
75% of these are wide open uncontested.
75% of these are wide open uncontested.
Missing wide open 3’s.
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He better improve his total game a lot. Harris, Cox, TKR, Smith, Loyer. Starters from day one. Unless Jacobson comes back bulked and healed. If that happens, Harris may be the 6th man.
Good bench guy. Not consistent enough to start
Be disappointed if CMP doesn't add starter talent this off season.
2 straight games now Colvin has been better than Harris.
We saw what happens when Myles actually gets a chance to shoot the ball in back to back possessions, as opposed to once every 10. Regardless if it’s Myles, shooters need to get shots up to get into rhythm and feel for the game. It’s very tough to come off the bench after sitting for 10 min of game time/35-45 min of real time and just be able to hit your first shot of the game and even the next one. Especially if you get a chance to shoot it only every now and then.
Very tough to be consistent when shooting is your best strength, but you don’t get shots fabricated for you. I don’t even think we fabricate enough for Loyer or even smith.
Was happy to see Heide and Colvin drive the ball once or twice lately.
Imo, that is their primary limiting factor from being guys that can be more consistent scorers. Just can't be a spot up shooter, and be much of a consistent weapon for any team.
Yeah it was great to see them FINALLY do that.
And I think this offense doesn’t allow them to be more than spot up shooters because they are supposed to get the ball to the big 3 and that’s it. When colvin got some rhythm he hit 3 straight 3s. Why can’t we get him going by getting him shots? And I also say that for Loyer and even smith.
Harris won’t start in that lineup. DJ/portal transfer (if that’s where paint goes) at the 5, TKR at the 4. Cox, Loyer and Smith at the 1-3.
Colvin is not better than Harris.
Portal 5 that started for his team, compete with DJ to start at PU; battle between Cox/West to start; Harris and Colvin will be strong next year(hope)
We're going to start 4 guards and a 4 next year from day 1? Jacobson was starting this year when he got hurt. I'd hate to see rebounding numbers with that lineup.
About as good as your “Fire Painter” opinion from 2 years ago, but you are indeed entitled to it.
Whichever big starts alongside TKR needs to be a shooter. All the Wisconsin bigs can shoot and that was really the difference today.
Colvin is a better defensive player , rebounder and a better shooter and is bigger. Harris is the better ball handler
Not a smart comment
Crazy statement to make in mid-February on a kid who is a very young sophomore.
You could be right but the logic doesn’t work. I believe that they are basically the same age and GH has had far more quality coaching through hs and AAU.
Certainly shooting better this calendar year. Better ball handler, plays better team (not individual) defense. Generally a more advanced player. I don’t know that GH is better and I think Myles has a higher ceiling but IMO it’s not clear cut.
Wanted to hear from that guy! Haha
Myles has outplayed him the last two. Not sure if guys are tired/flu or what
We keep talking about hitting 3's vs big diverse guards that can do multiple things. We need bigger guards. Not 6'5-6'6" players looking for a shot in the corner out on the perimeter and then expecting Smith or Loyer to grab rebounds.
I agree Miles needs better handles and he could have used that extra year in prep school . But he didn’t so will have to work on that , but he has the ability. Maybe not a 2 but a 3 with his rebounding. Don’t give up on him he will be better than any portal player you could bring in
Loyer is a great shooter but has already peaked as a player. He’s not Dakota or Ryan type who can get a 3 up anytime. Fletch is who he is and isn’t gonna get stronger or quicker. Let’s accept he’s a great and needed shooter and we need to run that double screen we used before and let him get more aggressive
I don't see Colvin developing that left hand. Heck, how often do you see him drive? If you feel he has the ability wouldn't that have already been implemented in the offense. He sits on the perimeter waiting for Smith to attack. Yes, your PG should set the offense but CMP knows this isn't his forte or we would have seen it already.
I wish you were right on him and Cam. If, that was true this team is top 5 looking for a NC.
I don't have the extra time to go back and look at some previous games, but Purdue on D looks to have regressed back to an earlier time. Part is knowing Braden is free lancing a bit on D and his player has backdoored him a couple of times as a result and teams have scouted Purdue's O/Bs d under their basket where Braden leaves the triggerman that protects the pass into the lane that resulted in a bucket yesterday. Purdue must slow down the dribble penetration, because it is killing Purdue. You only do that by better individual D (which can improve, but not enough) or team D which is where I think it must take place. You can sag towards the lane a bit, but obviously that leads to longer close outs. Purdue probably gambles a bit more on a player they don't think can go off, but this is a "bit" against Matt's approach of not letting a player to get going and so finding the player that isn't as much threat is a gamble. I do think the Michigan loss left a hangover as well...
Right now IU is licking their chops knowing they got to the basket as did Wisconsin. I can see a 2-3 by IU to make it harder for Braden and Trey in the short roll. In conversation yesterday before the game and idea of using Braden at the high post against the 2-3 was tossed out and it would provide some positives "IF" the clamping down on Braden to make it harder to pass him the ball allowed more open looks on the perimeter. This could allow quicker ball movement since Braden wouldn't be expected to control so much along with better shots. It also if Braden got the ball makes the high post all of a sudden a threat for a quick basket or a quick pass out...but again the perimeter players need to be a threat. We have all seen players do this against zone presses where others break the press and then get it to someone that can really attack the basket and score of find another wide open. I can only recall two games where that strategy took play in the half court instead of the full against a zone press.
Both players that drove the ball had NO issue doing so and it does cause the D to react. Cam made a pass under the bucket for a score and Myles just elevated and missed the shot. I would like to see driving the ball more and sometimes that is a dunk if aggressive enough. Anyway, MSU could be a bit ripe getting Izzo over the hump and Purdue can beat them...and then winning at IU will be another challenge...
I have been a Colvin defender on here, but you absolutely can't know the bolded part. Tonje was available for anyone to get for example. You don't think he's better than Colvin? The portal can be a very powerful tool. No guarantees, but a tool.
I don’t think any of us would have taken a sixth year guy who missed the previous season with a foot injury over Myles or Cam. No way anyone knew Tonje would be this good.
#1. Wisconsin saw something obviously. Averaged 15 and 5 before injury
#2. It was simply an example to show that you can't say you can't do better than Colvin in the portal. We all know that simply isn't a true statement.
Wisconsin did not think this guy would be averaging 20 a game. Go look at his stats prior to this year. He had one season where he put up 14…at Colorado state.
And if we had a guy like tonje, he would be the 4th option.
It’s TKR, Braden, fletch and then everyone else.
I know you’re saying not just tonje, but had we gone with him, our defense would have been even worse than it was yesterday. He’s a very good offensive player but not good defensively.
but yeah, sure, there’s a always a player better out there, except maybe for Braden. Doesn’t mean they fit the system/what Purdue is trying to do. Guys aren’t just plug and play.
He averaged 15 and 5 before he was hurt. CSU isn't a no-name program. Those stats can transfer. We got someone from CSU if I remember correctly.
As I said from the very first post IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. I used him because we just played him. If you don't think we would be better with him on our team than Colvin, I don't know what else to tell you. He's averaging 19 and 4. Are you kidding me, 4th best player on our team???
Back to the original statement. The poster said we couldn't do better in the portal than Colvin. I like Myles and have defended him on here many times against Degrees. But to say we couldn't possibly do better is just patently false.
But this is the real world, these kids are not machines, they have ups and downs. We just can"t go and say if we had this guy or that guy we would be better, we have our team and that's that! The Portal has been a disaster for college basketball, Painter thinks so and so do I. Just like the disaster of IU, all that NIL and 50 year old banners has got them what? The Portal has fans with shopping carts going around trying to spend other peoples money making unrealistic visions of grandeur! I bet if Myles would leave and go somewhere else and starts to click, you would be one of those complaining about Painter not keeping him. Some fans are never satisfied, PERIOD! Myles has spent almost 2 years in this program, Purdue has invested to much in him for him to listen some weak fans with shopping carts! Purdue is not going to win the BT every year. Wisconsin is better, that's why we lost. Wisconsin has 5 seniors, a veteran team, Purdue is still young and needs to keep its players. If Wisconsin keeps playing the way they are they could be a FF team, Purdue could look like them next.
JO - Jon Octeus (aka Jon the Baptizer) was a graduate transfer from Colorado State.
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