The weather makes me uneasy, they have played much better at home, hope we get off to a good start and make them play from behind
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They really struggled against the run versus Illinois, esp misdirection.
Knox could have a big day
Knox could have a big day
Cold and partly sunny. They also play on field turf so the surface will be consistent and they can plow in the event of any residual snow from any showers Friday. If you can't play on a cold day, you should have gone south of the Mason-Dixon Line.
Always tough to win on the road no matter who you play.....remember the Rutgers game last year......
So the two games this year I was most confident going into were EMU and MSU. So I’ve now conditioned myself to panic about every game going forward.
Unscientific analysis of our roster based on geographic origins. 15 of the 22 starters are from south of the Mason/Dixon line. Moore,Bailey,Barnes,Theineman, Blackmon, Swingler, Barren are north of KY/TN line. Most are from south GA,FL,LA or TX
Its all well and fine to exhort,urge or call out a kids manhood but when the temps Saturday are forecast for 1;00am=14, 5;00am=19 9am=23 2;30pm=25 w/wind/flurries, it is a concern
It will take a well coached, mature and mentally prepared team to win this game...
Do not put words in my mouth. I never challenged any of the players 'manhood' as you are claiming. Unless it is such a bitter cold (typically below 20 degrees), it shouldn't have an effect on the players ability to perform. Players coming to Purdue understand the realities of playing outdoors in November likely means cooler temperatures. If they didn't like that, they shouldn't have come north to play football. I have a nephew that literally made that part of his decision making process when figuring out where to play D1 baseball (had an offer from Purdue in fact). He didn't want to play where it could be cold in March/April so he chose Mercer in Georgia.
Tad sensitive aren't you? Never claimed or inferred you called out anyone. Just emphasizing to all on this board that this game is not likely to be an easy W. Team w
ill need to be focused and motivated.
Taken directly from your post bub. You are alluding to me calling out a player's manhood. I did nothing of the sort.
Well...….you kinda did. For a self proclaimed moderator, you seem highly aggressive and argumentative, if someone does not necessarily agree w/your point of view.-real pitbull type…...Bub...
This comment is just weird. JohnnyDoeBoiler was making a general comment that "weather" should not be a concern for players who choose to come to the Big Ten, and you accuse him of unscientific analysis of our roster and calling out players' manhood?
Literally no one else would have read it that way.
Just stop. That's stupid. Boiler UP.
Promise you wont call me a pussy if I wear mittons Saturday while watching game from my man-cave?
Minnesota also has a lot of players from places like Georgia, Kentucky, and Florida. The cold should affect both teams equally. But it feels a whole lot warmer when you're winning! Hit them hard early and make them want to go home.
That's very funny you should point to me as being argumentative when someone doesn't agree with my POV. Why don't you ask @Wolegib about how many times he and I have ever seen eye to eye and but that we keep it civil?
The fact is you read something incorrectly and wanted to make an assumption on that (for whatever reason). When you were confronted because of that false assumption and then had it explained as to what the message meant, you have doubled down on your assumption of what I meant. This is after multiple posters have pointed this out to you as well.
Now, if you believe my innocuous statement of not being able to play football (an outdoor game) when it is cold out (because...climate) is a challenge to someones manhood, then by all means continue to believe that (after being told multiple times that isn't what it meant and that you are reading it incorrectly). I even gave you a direct example of a college athlete making a decision to stay south because of the climate being a factor. I've never challenged his 'manhood' because of it. But if you can't perform because it is a little cold outside (not freezing. not raining while 40 degrees out. not sleeting), then you shouldn't have chosen to play in the B1G because it literally gets cold this time of year and that is a known factor.
Also not a self-proclaimed moderator...it literally says I'm a real moderator of the board. It's why I can make cool sticky notes at the top and remove the 9-10 different ads that flood the board every single day. Oh, and I get to delete threads from people who are racist, bigoted, and who's views are vial or attack individuals or athletes in derogatory ways. I guess in that regard, you are right that I am aggressive with people who don't share my views that that crap shouldn't be on a sports board...aggressively making sure that stuff doesn't make this board nearly unreadable.
One of my favorite movies was "Anger Management" When Sandler walks into the court ordered meeting and sees Bobby Knight, I breakup..
No he most certainly did not. You mischaracterized what he said.
Lets get this thread back on track...
I think Blough will surpass 250-300yds passing in the first half and then we will run, run, run in the second half.
Minnesota is giving up a ton of yards on the ground as well as through the air. The biggest reason is all the freshman in their depth chart. According to Ourlands.com, Minnesota starts 7 freshman on offense with another 5 in their 2-deep rotation. On defense they start 3 freshman with another 5 in the 2-deep rotation. They will give up a ton of yards to Purdue.
I think Blough will surpass 250-300yds passing in the first half and then we will run, run, run in the second half.
Minnesota is giving up a ton of yards on the ground as well as through the air. The biggest reason is all the freshman in their depth chart. According to Ourlands.com, Minnesota starts 7 freshman on offense with another 5 in their 2-deep rotation. On defense they start 3 freshman with another 5 in the 2-deep rotation. They will give up a ton of yards to Purdue.
Why are we arguing? We're about to win and be bowl elgible. This game should not, I repeat not scare anyone on this board or on our team for that matter. Minnesota is Purdue circa Hope/Haze era right now. Sure, they have a couple of good players, just not enough to get over the hump. I doubt if "row your boat" PJ Fleck will survive this gimmicky row your boat mess he is in right now. 1-5 in conference and firing the defensive coordinator mid-season shows there are holes in the dam. He better have some oars and get rowing or once the dam breaks, it will be over before he knows what hit him. I'm looking at him and thinking he was a Big Fish in a smaller pond in the MAC. Switched to the Big Ten and is now getting eaten alive. With Illinois hanging 55 on them last week and several other Big Ten programs dropping 40's and low 50's on them, it should be more than enough motivation from our Offense to perform and have a field day.
Even if Minnesota makes improvement with defense, it will not be enough as it is too little too late. There will be no upset special.
Calling it now:
Purdue 38
Minnesota 18
Even if Minnesota makes improvement with defense, it will not be enough as it is too little too late. There will be no upset special.
Calling it now:
Purdue 38
Minnesota 18
They almost let IU beat them,
Purdue 49
Minnesota 13
because we play to run the clock in the second half.
If the weather isn't nasty I have no doubt we will put up alot of points, I think their offense has been much better at home and we might get into a bit of a shootout, certainly hope we make them earn it and not turn it over
Dude, JohnnyDoe is one of the most level headed posters on here. I understand it can be frustrating to disagree. But he ain't the one to call out on this.
Hey "Bub," Johnny Doe is very reasonable. Maybe you can learn that as you grow up from being a true Freshman.
It sounds like Fleck is rebuilding with his own recruits. I suspect he’ll get Minnesota back in a bowl game within the next few seasons.
I think the biggest risk for PJ is losing the fan base, which I think he may already be doing with his craziness. If his record doesn't improve next year, there's gonna be a lot of heat. Which means he might not make it to his recruit's. That's been the great thing about Brohm. He preaches winning NOW and has the full support of his fan base. Zero excuses from Brohm.
Purdue hit a home run with the Brohm hiring.
I think that has been the aspect about Brohm that I like the best after Hazel never took blame for something going bad. For example, when the team stumbled to their 0-3 start Brohm squared the blame on himself as the HC and not leading the team in a correct manner. That goes a long way for young men to trust a HC and trust in his leadership
Be like the second half of the Ohio game last year. Long, time consuming drives. Could see that.
Could also see Knox running like Markell Jones in the Bucket Game. Getting 200 yards...if he’s in that long
Hazell was building with his own recruits too. I personally think fleck just isn't that good.
Blough is in rare air mentally. He’s at the end of what seems like a 12 year career. He’s really going to be able to set defenders up and distribute the football.
There is a lot of revisionist history going on with respect to PJ and the Minnesota situation. Fleck inherited better recruiting classes than Brohm and a program that had been to several bowl games in a row. And its not like PJ is somehow trying to lose on purpose in order to get experience for younger studs. The only uniquely "win now" move that Brohm has pulled was to bring in a few transfers last year to plug glaring holes. But this year he went all-in with the four year guys and for awhile it looked like we were going into a multi-year rebuild. Then coaching happened. There is just no comparing the two. PJ is tracking Hope (or worse). Brohm is tracking Tiller.
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Previous 4 year recruiting rankings prior to Fleck/Brohm: (Bold are classes impacted/fully recruited by coaches
Minnesota:
2013: 61st - 2.74 avr (4*-0: 3*-13: 2*-5)
2014: 52nd - 2.55 avr (4*-1: 3*-12: 2*-8)
2015: 52nd - 2.71 avr (4*-1: 3*-15: 2*-8)
2016: 50th - 2.71 avr (4*-1: 3*-13: 2*-7)
2017: 57th - 2.58 avr (4*-0: 3*-15: 2*-11)
2018: 43rd - 3.08 avr (4*-3: 3*-22: 2*-1)
2019: 33rd - 2.83 avr (4*-0: 3*-19: 2*-4)
Purdue:
2013: 56th - 2.74 avr (4*-1: 3*-15: 2*-7)
2014: 71st - 2.53 avr (4*-1: 3*-8: 2*-10)
2015: 68th - 2.46 avr (4*-0: 3*-12: 2*-14)
2016: 73rd - 2.17 avr (4*-0: 3*-6: 2*-16)
2017: 68th - 2.46 avr (4*-0: 3*-11: 2*-13)
2018: 49th - 2.96 avr (4*-0: 2*-23: 2*-1)
2019: 23rd - 2.96 avr (4*-4: 2*-14: 2*-5)
When you look at the improvement, both programs have seen a jump in recruiting under both coaches but you can see Brohm has had a bigger impact on recruiting versus Fleck. When you include the fact that Brohm and his staff are largely considered one of the better coaches/staffs in the country, you are going to see a much better end result.
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Right. I just don't buy the "slow burn" or whatever PJ is trying to sell. Same thing for Lovie and Illinois. Not with our front row seat to what a good coaching staff looks like. We've heard that other song and dance before. Maybe if PJ strings together top 25/30 recruiting classes there will be too much talent to completely fail, but he has already given me enough reason to view him as a charlatan of sorts.
I think the best example of the 'slow burn' is Mark Stoops at UK...but we'll see if he can sustain that success after this season since his previous records at UK have been:
2013: 2-10 (Class Rank: 29th)
2014: 5-7 (Class Rank: 17th)
2015: 5-7 (Class Rank: 35th)
2016: 7-6 (Class Rank: 28th)
2017: 7-6 (Class Rank: 26th)
2018: 7-2 (Class Rank: 30th)
2019: NR (Class Rank: 31st)
the year Blough is having reminds me of the year Foles had last year.
Stoops is a good example of having too much talent to completely fail. With all those top 30 classes, sooner or later they were going to stumble into 8 or 9 wins. Certainly there are multiple ways to win. Being dependent on having superior talent to your competition at a place like Minnesota (or Purdue) is a long putt.
If by turn-around you mean one-year wonder, then yes. He rode Zach Terrell and Corey Davis, and Jarvion Franklin to fortune like Hazell rode Dri Archer to his.
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