Migrants keep on coming

[buygreekbonds]

These Libyan migrants were "rescued" by EU and Italian do-gooders less than 35 miles from the Libyan coast. The fools actually go all the way down there to pick them up.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-3-300-migrants-rescued-off-libya-184649831.html

 

[qazplm]

These Libyan migrants were "rescued" by EU and Italian do-gooders less than 35 miles from the Libyan coast. The fools actually go all the way down there to pick them up.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-3-300-migrants-rescued-off-libya-184649831.html

Should have let them drown huh? Especially the little ones, they just grow up to be big ones.

 

[prophit44]

These Libyan migrants were "rescued" by EU and Italian do-gooders less than 35 miles from the Libyan coast. The fools actually go all the way down there to pick them up.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-3-300-migrants-rescued-off-libya-184649831.html

I just want to confirm: are you still espousing, like you did in "Brexit" thread, that it's just "liberals" twisting your (& other conservative's) words to falsely label you as hateful, afraid, and xenoohobic? Or... with this thread have you just decided to own the hatred, fear, and xenophobia?

 

[buygreekbonds]

Moslem migrants are overwhelming the EU and migration is indeed being used as a weapon to destabilize Europe. That's the opinion of a 4-star general who once commanded NATO and I don't think he was speaking from hatred, fear or xenophobia but then again, you liberals like to play the Hate card E V E R Y time.

“Russia and the Assad regime are deliberately weaponizing migration from Syria in an attempt to overwhelm European structures and break European resolve,” U.S. Air Force General Philip Breedlove, since retired, said of Moscow’s Vladimir Putin and his long-time ally, Syrian President Bashar Assad.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/does-brexit-mean-security-woes-210507122.html

 

[qazplm]

Moslem migrants are overwhelming the EU and migration is indeed being used as a weapon to destabilize Europe. That's the opinion of a 4-star general who once commanded NATO and I don't think he was speaking from hatred, fear or xenophobia but then again, you liberals like to play the Hate card E V E R Y time.

“Russia and the Assad regime are deliberately weaponizing migration from Syria in an attempt to overwhelm European structures and break European resolve,” U.S. Air Force General Philip Breedlove, since retired, said of Moscow’s Vladimir Putin and his long-time ally, Syrian President Bashar Assad.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/does-brexit-mean-security-woes-210507122.html

so should let them drown then...right?

 

[prophit44]

Moslem migrants are overwhelming the EU and migration is indeed being used as a weapon to destabilize Europe. That's the opinion of a 4-star general who once commanded NATO and I don't think he was speaking from hatred, fear or xenophobia but then again, you liberals like to play the Hate card E V E R Y time.

“Russia and the Assad regime are deliberately weaponizing migration from Syria in an attempt to overwhelm European structures and break European resolve,” U.S. Air Force General Philip Breedlove, since retired, said of Moscow’s Vladimir Putin and his long-time ally, Syrian President Bashar Assad.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/does-brexit-mean-security-woes-210507122.html

It's an interesting paradox that you can find and link statements on strategic thinking from General Breedlove, but you seem pathologically unable to differentiate a possible strategic consideration from a simple decision to not let let 300 human beings drown.

"Weaponizing" in the context of Breedlove's statement means that Assad and Putin are being accused of creating a terror filled environment forcing mass migration. Using that mass Muslim migration as a form of weapon to create tension and disagreement amongst Europe and NATO membership.

Reasonable people can agree or disagree with that position, and debate strategy on how to deal with the current reality.

Not one word of Breedlove's statement would lead a rational human being to criticize a maritime rescue to save 300 people from drowning.

Rational adults can debate ways to deal with immigration and the current Syrian refugee crisis.

Fearful xenophobes assume malicious intent upon an entire religion, and hateful people start a thread with snarky criticisms of saving people from drowning.

See the difference? No, probably not.

 

[buygreekbonds]

It's an interesting paradox that you can find and link statements on strategic thinking from General Breedlove, but you seem pathologically unable to differentiate a possible strategic consideration from a simple decision to not let let 300 human beings drown.

"Weaponizing" in the context of Breedlove's statement means that Assad and Putin are being accused of creating a terror filled environment forcing mass migration. Using that mass Muslim migration as a form of weapon to create tension and disagreement amongst Europe and NATO membership.

Reasonable people can agree or disagree with that position, and debate strategy on how to deal with the current reality.

Not one word of Breedlove's statement would lead a rational human being to criticize a maritime rescue to save 300 people from drowning.

Rational adults can debate ways to deal with immigration and the current Syrian refugee crisis.

Fearful xenophobes assume malicious intent upon an entire religion, and hateful people start a thread with snarky criticisms of saving people from drowning.

See the difference? No, probably not.

I didn't criticize rescuing these 3,300 migrants from drowning. I criticize bringing them to Europe.

The choice is not "save them or let them drown". The choice should be "after we save them, should we bring them to Europe or send them back where they came from?"

If these migrants had bee refused entry to the EU from Day One, this problem wouldn't exist today. They'd be refugees in Turkey or non-ISIS Iraq or Iran or Jordan or Saudi Arabia.

 

[qazplm]

I didn't criticize rescuing these 3,300 migrants from drowning. I criticize bringing them to Europe.

The choice is not "save them or let them drown". The choice should be "after we save them, should we bring them to Europe or send them back where they came from?"

If these migrants had bee refused entry to the EU from Day One, this problem wouldn't exist today. They'd be refugees in Turkey or non-ISIS Iraq or Iran or Jordan or Saudi Arabia.

lol nothing in your original post or the ones that followed said anything about rescue them but then send them back. It criticized "going all the way down there to pick them up."

 

[buygreekbonds]

lol nothing in your original post or the ones that followed said anything about rescue them but then send them back. It criticized "going all the way down there to pick them up."

qaz, you are focused entirely upon the migrants who were picked up last weekend and ignore the staggering stupidity of the EU policy that created the situation.

If you stop rewarding them with passage to Europe, they'll stop coming. If you send them back where they came from, there will be no need to "rescue" anyone.

That is exactly what the US Coast Guard does in the US. Boats containing "migrants" from Haiti or Cuba or whatever are intercepted at sea and the invaders are sent back where they came from. We have in fact a "wet foot, dry foot" policy that returns anyone who fails to reach dry land, even if intercepted 100 feet from the shore. As a result, we have very few problems and certainly nothing like massive immigration crisis that Europe has brought upon itself.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

...As a result, we have very few problems and certainly nothing like massive immigration crisis that Europe has brought upon itself.

Wait... What?

 

[qazplm]

Wait... What?

Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor?!

 

[qazplm]

qaz, you are focused entirely upon the migrants who were picked up last weekend and ignore the staggering stupidity of the EU policy that created the situation.

If you stop rewarding them with passage to Europe, they'll stop coming. If you send them back where they came from, there will be no need to "rescue" anyone.

That is exactly what the US Coast Guard does in the US. Boats containing "migrants" from Haiti or Cuba or whatever are intercepted at sea and the invaders are sent back where they came from. We have in fact a "wet foot, dry foot" policy that returns anyone who fails to reach dry land, even if intercepted 100 feet from the shore. As a result, we have very few problems and certainly nothing like massive immigration crisis that Europe has brought upon itself.

No, I'm focused on your initial posts in this thread.

 

[buygreekbonds]

Wait... What?

I should have clarified that I was referring to problems with immigrants coming by boat. The US/Mexican land border is another issue.

Imagine having the same policy as the EU. A boat full of Latin Americans would go to sea from Mexico, get 25 miles away from the coast and send out a distress call. Then our Coast Guard would go pick 'em up and bring 'em to the US. Then the coyote would go back to Mexico and pick up another boatload.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

I should have clarified that I was referring to problems with immigrants coming by boat. The US/Mexican land border is another issue.

Imagine having the same policy as the EU. A boat full of Latin Americans would go to sea from Mexico, get 25 miles away from the coast and send out a distress call. Then our Coast Guard would go pick 'em up and bring 'em to the US. Then the coyote would go back to Mexico and pick up another boatload.

We still have a pretty big problem with illegal immigration and drug trafficking by boat. Huge. That, along with tunnels, are a big part of the reason I mock "The Wall". One of my friends is vacationing in Miami and walked out on the beach by his hotel on Sunday morning and found an abandoned refugee boat that wasn't there the night before... Trust me, still a big time issue from Cuba, Haiti, and even many of the Central American countries and Mexico are sending immigrants here by boat.

Some of the maritime technology that drug traffickers are using is crazy, and trust me, we're shooting them out of the water when we find them. It's not stopping anything...

 

[buygreekbonds]

We still have a pretty big problem with illegal immigration and drug trafficking by boat. Huge. That, along with tunnels, are a big part of the reason I mock "The Wall". One of my friends is vacationing in Miami and walked out on the beach by his hotel on Sunday morning and found an abandoned refugee boat that wasn't there the night before... Trust me, still a big time issue from Cuba, Haiti, and even many of the Central American countries and Mexico are sending immigrants here by boat.

Some of the maritime technology that drug traffickers are using is crazy, and trust me, we're shooting them out of the water when we find them. It's not stopping anything...

Then you appreciate the difference between the US policy of trying to deter illegal immigrants and the EU policy of picking them up and bringing them in?

 

[qazplm]

Then you appreciate the difference between the US policy of trying to deter illegal immigrants and the EU policy of picking them up and bringing them in?

You mean how we refuse to enforce laws against businesses hiring illegal immigrants that would totally shut down illegal immigration?
How we totally refuse to enforce minimum wage laws (or even exempt them) in certain sectors that if minimum wage had to be paid, there'd be less need for immigrants?

Yeah, totally deterring.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Then you appreciate the difference between the US policy of trying to deter illegal immigrants and the EU policy of picking them up and bringing them in?

I recognize that we're trying, but my point is that your assumption that that policy is actually deterring anything is an incorrect one. Thus, the point you're trying to make in this thread - that open borders and accepting migrants is a major problem and the reason they've got the migrant issue at all - is incorrect because they'd have a migrant issue regardless of if they turned these people back.

You're underestimating the desperation of many of these migrants/refugees to get out of some pretty terrible places and make better lives for themselves. On the other hand, those migrants/refugees often leave their homes with plans such as:

1) Get to Greece
2) ???
3) Life is good

And that's not right, and that's a large part of what creates these disaffected migrants whose expectations aren't met by reality upon arrival in the New World. They lack the language and educational backgrounds to be successful living in foreign lands. It's hard enough for well-educated folks to make new lives in foreign countries.

But try to appreciate that point - even given that difficulty and uncertainty once they arrive, let alone how the hell they get there, these people are still motivated to try... and not because they're going to Europe to blow it up and set it all on fire.

 

[buygreekbonds]

Hungary will hold a referendum to determine if its citizens want EU bureaucrats in Brussels to shove quotas of moslem migrants down its throat. Anyone want to wager a bet how this vote will turn out?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-hungary-referendum-idUSKCN0ZL0QW

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Hungary will hold a referendum to determine if its citizens want EU bureaucrats in Brussels to shove quotas of moslem migrants down its throat. Anyone want to wager a bet how this vote will turn out?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-hungary-referendum-idUSKCN0ZL0QW

I'm not sure this will pass in Hungary, but I think it's good they get to vote on it.

 

[qazplm]

I recognize that we're trying, but my point is that your assumption that that policy is actually deterring anything is an incorrect one. Thus, the point you're trying to make in this thread - that open borders and accepting migrants is a major problem and the reason they've got the migrant issue at all - is incorrect because they'd have a migrant issue regardless of if they turned these people back.

You're underestimating the desperation of many of these migrants/refugees to get out of some pretty terrible places and make better lives for themselves. On the other hand, those migrants/refugees often leave their homes with plans such as:

1) Get to Greece
2) ???
3) Life is good

And that's not right, and that's a large part of what creates these disaffected migrants whose expectations aren't met by reality upon arrival in the New World. They lack the language and educational backgrounds to be successful living in foreign lands. It's hard enough for well-educated folks to make new lives in foreign countries.

But try to appreciate that point - even given that difficulty and uncertainty once they arrive, let alone how the hell they get there, these people are still motivated to try... and not because they're going to Europe to blow it up and set it all on fire.

He wont because he doesn't accept your premise of desperation over his premise of invasion with an intent to overthrow.

 

[buygreekbonds]

He wont because he doesn't accept your premise of desperation over his premise of invasion with an intent to overthrow.

The Arabic word for the molsems' "intent to overthrow" is Da'wah.

https://www.namb.net/apologetics/the-quiet-revolution-islam-s-search-for-world-dominance

 

[qazplm]

The Arabic word for the molsems' "intent to overthrow" is Da'wah.

https://www.namb.net/apologetics/the-quiet-revolution-islam-s-search-for-world-dominance

thanks for confirming what I just said about you lol