Memorable ways to lose...

[Abugabby]

On the play where Valentine made two threes because of TWO bad calls (missed over the back with PJ and whatever flop the MSU player performed), I started thinking about memorable ways and plays that ended Purdue games.

A couple of the more memorable:

1. Everette Stephens bounced a ball off his knee to end Purdue's NCAA tourney one year. It has bothered me all these years later...he just choked. No pressure, no defender...just a lapse in focus. If memory serves we were ranked #1 at some point that year and should have made noise in the tourney. Instead we bowed out in a game we should have won. EDIT: Found a video of the entire game!. Skip to 1:22:30 to see the stuff of my teenage nightmares.

2. I was listening to a game on the radio many years ago and Purdue was down 2 or three after a made bucket and had to foul to stop the clock. The whole world knew we were going to foul to stop the clock and the ref inexplicably called an INTENTIONAL foul...2 shots and the ball for whoever we were playing. Clisby had a fit on the radio.

3. During the Big Dog years, G-Rob? stepped over the endline while inbounding the ball...twice.

Anyone remember any particularly bad ways we lost a game?

 

[Boilerbrewer]

This may be my bad recollection of your second one, but I remember a game back in the late 1980s or early 1990s when Purdue was battling back in a non-conference game that it was expected to win. One of the guards made a basket that tied the game with just a few seconds left, but for whatever reason thought Purdue was still trailing and immediately fouled on the ensuing in-bounds play. The other team hit two free throws with just a couple of seconds left and Purdue lost.

I also seem to recall that it was on the heels of another bad home loss, but like I said, maybe I'm just not remembering it properly.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

On the play where Valentine made two threes because of TWO bad calls (missed over the back with PJ and whatever flop the MSU player performed), I started thinking about memorable ways and plays that ended Purdue games.

A couple of the more memorable:

1. Everette Stephens bounced a ball off his knee to end Purdue's NCAA tourney one year. It has bothered me all these years later...he just choked. No pressure, no defender...just a lapse in focus. If memory serves we were ranked #1 at some point that year and should have made noise in the tourney. Instead we bowed out in a game we should have won. EDIT: Found a video of the entire game!. Skip to 1:22:30 to see the stuff of my teenage nightmares.

2. I was listening to a game on the radio many years ago and Purdue was down 2 or three after a made bucket and had to foul to stop the clock. The whole world knew we were going to foul to stop the clock and the ref inexplicably called an INTENTIONAL foul...2 shots and the ball for whoever we were playing. Clisby had a fit on the radio.

3. During the Big Dog years, G-Rob? stepped over the endline while inbounding the ball...twice.

Anyone remember any particularly bad ways we lost a game?

You suck. Just when I have finally started to get over DeNightmare in Detroit, you have to unearth the video.

That was Geno's best team, no disrespect to the '94 team. So deep.

 

[02Boilermaker]

Your #2 was vs UNC in the final of the 1997 Great Alaska Shootout. It must still really bother me because, while I didn't remember the details, I was able to immediately recall that it happened in one of the preseason tournaments. I was able to find the AP write-up after a quick search:

"Brad Miller, who led all scorers with 29 points, brought Purdue within 70-69 with 16 seconds left. The Boilermakers (5-1), needing to stop the clock, fouled Antawn Jamison with nine seconds left. But Alan Eldridge was called for an intentional foul, giving North Carolina two shots and possession."

Jamison hit 1 of 2, PU fouled again, UNC made 2 more FTs & the final score was 73-69.


That one reminds me of DJ Byrd's flagrant elbow vs Villinova from a couple of years ago. PU was leading. Nova was in a must foul situation. They had a couple guys trap Byrd after the inbounds & were all over him. Officials swallowed the whistle & don't call any of the reaching fouls. DJ had to then try to create space to move the ball & hit one of them with an elbow. Refs had no choice but to call Byrd's flagrant based on the rules at that time...but it only happened because they made him "play through" the Nova contact. Nova tied the game & PU lost in OT.

 

[rjmpu82]

Anybody have thoughts on the reversal of the basket called a 2 pointer in overtime then after video review it was changed to a 3 pointer? TO me, that was quite a stretch to change the call based on what I saw on video. Both announcers also thought the call should have remained a 2.

 

[punaj]

Anybody have thoughts on the reversal of the basket called a 2 pointer in overtime then after video review it was changed to a 3 pointer? TO me, that was quite a stretch to change the call based on what I saw on video. Both announcers also thought the call should have remained a 2.

I couldn't see any white between the toe and the line so I would say it was a two. For them to change the play from a 2 to a 3 seemed crazy. I don't know what evidence they could have seen on their small replay screens. Just happy we won that game.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

This may be my bad recollection of your second one, but I remember a game back in the late 1980s or early 1990s when Purdue was battling back in a non-conference game that it was expected to win. One of the guards made a basket that tied the game with just a few seconds left, but for whatever reason thought Purdue was still trailing and immediately fouled on the ensuing in-bounds play. The other team hit two free throws with just a couple of seconds left and Purdue lost.

I also seem to recall that it was on the heels of another bad home loss, but like I said, maybe I'm just not remembering it properly.

How about Oklahoma shooting 46 free throws to our 5 in the NIT final?

 

[TC4THREE]

I don't remember the circumstances but I believe we lost one with an odd ending 10-15 years ago at Colorado State.

 

[FirstDownB]

Anybody have thoughts on the reversal of the basket called a 2 pointer in overtime then after video review it was changed to a 3 pointer? TO me, that was quite a stretch to change the call based on what I saw on video. Both announcers also thought the call should have remained a 2.

Yeah. I have no idea how they saw conclusive evidence that his toe wasn't on the line. That is the second time I've seen this happen this year, which makes me wonder how the rule reads compared to football replay, for example, which gives preference to the call on the field unless there is conclusive evidence to overturn. Glad that did not cost Purdue the game!

 

[GemstateBoiler]

I don't remember the circumstances but I believe we lost one with an odd ending 10-15 years ago at Colorado State.

That's mine.
December 30, 2003 at Moby Arena: Colorado State hosted AP #22[8] Purdue. Down 4 points with 7 seconds left, Colorado State committed a foul. In the double bonus, Purdue missed both free throws. CSU scored a three pointer with 0.7 seconds left. The ensuing Purdue inbound pass was tipped. The ball fell into the hands of Michael Moris who shot the game winning three pointer at the buzzer. The game was not televised. Being that the ball was tipped, the three pointer should not have counted based on 0.7 seconds. However, CSU was awarded the points and won the game by two points.[9][10]

From Wikipedia

 

[Boiler Buck]

Memorable ways to lose......only in Boiler land....

 

[TC4THREE]

That's mine.
December 30, 2003 at Moby Arena: Colorado State hosted AP #22[8] Purdue. Down 4 points with 7 seconds left, Colorado State committed a foul. In the double bonus, Purdue missed both free throws. CSU scored a three pointer with 0.7 seconds left. The ensuing Purdue inbound pass was tipped. The ball fell into the hands of Michael Moris who shot the game winning three pointer at the buzzer. The game was not televised. Being that the ball was tipped, the three pointer should not have counted based on 0.7 seconds. However, CSU was awarded the points and won the game by two points.[9][10]

From Wikipedia

Yep. That brings it all back.

 

[02Boilermaker]

which makes me wonder how the rule reads compared to football replay, for example, which gives preference to the call on the field unless there is conclusive evidence to overturn.

NCAA Men's BBall Rule 11-1.1 states (among other things):

"In order for an official to change or reverse a call made on the floor, the official must first find that the monitor review reveals by indisputable evidence that the call on the floor was incorrect."

Based on what I saw, I don't know how all 3 refs determined, without any doubt, that no part of the shoe touched the line.

 

[FirstDownB]

NCAA Men's BBall Rule 11-1.1 states (among other things):

"In order for an official to change or reverse a call made on the floor, the official must first find that the monitor review reveals by indisputable evidence that the call on the floor was incorrect."

Based on what I saw, I don't know how all 3 refs determined, without any doubt, that no part of the shoe touched the line.

Smh. They must have been afraid munchkin would bite them in the ankle or something. You saw how he reacted to the overturn of the out of bounds call that was clear as day off MSU.

 

[punaj]

Smh. They must have been afraid munchkin would bite them in the ankle or something. You saw how he reacted to the overturn of the out of bounds call that was clear as day off MSU.

Or maybe the entire state team would start smacking the floor constantly throwing a fit... oh wait, that happened... a lot.

 

[boiler-deuce]

Anybody have thoughts on the reversal of the basket called a 2 pointer in overtime then after video review it was changed to a 3 pointer? TO me, that was quite a stretch to change the call based on what I saw on video. Both announcers also thought the call should have remained a 2.

I happen to think it was one of the very few questionable calls. It sure seemed like his foot was so close the call, either way, would have stood. JMHO

 

[Casey and his Brother]

This may be my bad recollection of your second one, but I remember a game back in the late 1980s or early 1990s when Purdue was battling back in a non-conference game that it was expected to win. One of the guards made a basket that tied the game with just a few seconds left, but for whatever reason thought Purdue was still trailing and immediately fouled on the ensuing in-bounds play. The other team hit two free throws with just a couple of seconds left and Purdue lost.

I also seem to recall that it was on the heels of another bad home loss, but like I said, maybe I'm just not remembering it properly.

Maybe it's happened more than once, but I believe that was Brandon McKnight, in the early 2000's.

 

[*4purdue*]

I don't remember the circumstances but I believe we lost one with an odd ending 10-15 years ago at Colorado State.

We were ahead by 5 with 10 seconds to go shooting a 1-1. Missed, CSU rebounded, came down hit a 3 with less than a second, stole the inbounds pass and hit another 3 to win it. That was the team with Chris Booker that beat Duke in Alaska. He became ineligible and the team when from one of great promise to a disaster. Kenny Lowe was on that team also.

 

[buffboiler]

On the play where Valentine made two threes because of TWO bad calls (missed over the back with PJ and whatever flop the MSU player performed), I started thinking about memorable ways and plays that ended Purdue games.

A couple of the more memorable:

1. Everette Stephens bounced a ball off his knee to end Purdue's NCAA tourney one year. It has bothered me all these years later...he just choked. No pressure, no defender...just a lapse in focus. If memory serves we were ranked #1 at some point that year and should have made noise in the tourney. Instead we bowed out in a game we should have won. EDIT: Found a video of the entire game!. Skip to 1:22:30 to see the stuff of my teenage nightmares.

2. I was listening to a game on the radio many years ago and Purdue was down 2 or three after a made bucket and had to foul to stop the clock. The whole world knew we were going to foul to stop the clock and the ref inexplicably called an INTENTIONAL foul...2 shots and the ball for whoever we were playing. Clisby had a fit on the radio.

3. During the Big Dog years, G-Rob? stepped over the endline while inbounding the ball...twice.

Anyone remember any particularly bad ways we lost a game?

About the first one, I now work at a street across from the Silverdome. More than enough times reminded of that moment whenever I pass by the now crumbling megastructure. Not so cool, but I also remember how good the team was. Just a thought..

 

[takedownboiler]

How about the overturn of an out of bounds call vs Cinci last year with seconds to play. Costing us foul shots. I didn't see one angle where it didn't even look remotely close to out on us. Yet overturn and they hit a three I believe.

 

[takedownboiler]

Maybe if we had tear away jerseys against Memphis!

 

[Bluegrass Boiler]

Yeah. I have no idea how they saw conclusive evidence that his toe wasn't on the line. That is the second time I've seen this happen this year, which makes me wonder how the rule reads compared to football replay, for example, which gives preference to the call on the field unless there is conclusive evidence to overturn. Glad that did not cost Purdue the game!

It actually happened earlier in our game with MSU in Purdue's favor. I recall rewinding my DVR at the time that RD's shot-clock beater was called a two and ranting online that while his foot was on the line when he caught the pass (and what the ref must have seen), he CLEARLY stepped back off the line before taking the shot. It wasn't even close. It was a THREE all the way! Apparently someone on the Purdue staff thought so too, and the officials reviewed that shot during the next media timeout and changed it to a three.

I'm guessing the refs felt they needed a "makeup" call there. So that MSU shot review, even though was obviously NOT clear evidence for a reversal, was reversed anyway. I hate refs who do things like that, whether its an in-game makeup call, or during a media timeout, like that one.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Yep. That brings it all back.

Funny, strange we were just talking about this one and then this happens at Colorado State last night against Boise State. Eerie stuff. They used a stop watch to make the call. Next they'll be asking people in the stands for cellphone video angles.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/sport...y/boise-state-basketball/article59723371.html

 

[skfboiler]

Yeah, I may have needed counseling after that game because I think about that Kansas State game all the time. That was choke city.

Another game that Purdue loss late in the game was I think in 1990. I think it was the Sweet Sixteen game vs Texas. Tony Jones had a layup with just seconds left in the game to win it and was mauled. The refs did not call it and Purdue lost.

 

[Boiler77_81]

Unfortunately, I was at #1 sitting in the corner of the floor where it happened. One of many opportunities for Purdue to make a deep run which got derailed.

On the play where Valentine made two threes because of TWO bad calls (missed over the back with PJ and whatever flop the MSU player performed), I started thinking about memorable ways and plays that ended Purdue games.

A couple of the more memorable:

1. Everette Stephens bounced a ball off his knee to end Purdue's NCAA tourney one year. It has bothered me all these years later...he just choked. No pressure, no defender...just a lapse in focus. If memory serves we were ranked #1 at some point that year and should have made noise in the tourney. Instead we bowed out in a game we should have won. EDIT: Found a video of the entire game!. Skip to 1:22:30 to see the stuff of my teenage nightmares.

2. I was listening to a game on the radio many years ago and Purdue was down 2 or three after a made bucket and had to foul to stop the clock. The whole world knew we were going to foul to stop the clock and the ref inexplicably called an INTENTIONAL foul...2 shots and the ball for whoever we were playing. Clisby had a fit on the radio.

3. During the Big Dog years, G-Rob? stepped over the endline while inbounding the ball...twice.

Anyone remember any particularly bad ways we lost a game?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Yeah, I may have needed counseling after that game because I think about that Kansas State game all the time. That was choke city.

Another game that Purdue loss late in the game was I think in 1990. I think it was the Sweet Sixteen game vs Texas. Tony Jones had a layup with just seconds left in the game to win it and was mauled. The refs did not call it and Purdue lost.

And that was a week or so after Tony got mauled by Dwayne Stephens at MSU, game tied in the final seconds, they scored to take the Big Ten title away.

 

[09vdb]

The Colorado St. game in 2004 was clearly the most bizarre given how it happened and the obscurity in which the game was played with no coverage. Only Purdue can lose up 4 with 1 second to go....

I appreciate the reference to the Memphis tournament game, as I recall all the Memphis players with 50 inch verticals climbing over the back on every missed basket with nothing called to lose that game.

Let's see, what else...I recall a traveling violation near the end of the Texas 1990 NCAA game not being called that cost us.

Anyone remember the 10-point possession in the 2002 Temple NCAA tournament game that sank us? - There were at least two technicals and six foul shots made in one possession if I am not mistaken. Never seen that one before....

The Stanford '98 Sweet 16 NCAA loss, '00 NCAA Elite 8 Wisconsin loss and the recent '12 NCAA 2nd round Kansas loss were the most painful for me. Not that they were strange, but we could not get over the hump on the first two and we did poor coaching job at the end of the Kansas game and I emotionally more vested on those....

 

[Don Julio]

William Franklin being called for goaltending at the buzzer on a three-quarter court shot by Don Buse of Evansville, I believe in 1972.

 

[boiler-deuce]

A couple of heartbreakers I remember were......Hairston getting his jersey torn off for a putback against Memphis and Stanford beating the daylights out of a bloody Brad Miller.

 

[Abugabby]

Remember that year we were a 5 seed, had a 13 point lead with 3 minutes to play and choked it away because we couldn't get a shot off with 8 seconds left?

 

[09vdb]

I remember it like it was yesterday.