Malik Hall Crystal Ball

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  1. Boilermaker24

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    [​IMG] Eventhough it’s just a random prediction this makes me very happy. We got a CB from an Illini insider who doesn’t predict much but so far this year he’s also predicted Okoro to Oregon(although already a trend). Hope there’s smoke to this fire as coach brohm would say- hopefully more so tho
     
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    We weren't even on the crystal ball radar earlier. Would love to have Malik become a Boilermaker!
     
  4. Roeder

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    I just can't get my hopes up on these anymore after JJJ, Tyger, and Okoro all had us leading within a month of their decision times.

    Really like Hall though and think he would fit in perfect at Purdue.
     
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    Thompson, Gillis, Hall and Newman would be an incredible class.
     
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    Derek Piper is to illinois as Brian is to us. I’ll take that crystal ball pick, especially because Illinois has been trying to get involved with Malik for quite some time. Chicago area kid, and the Home state school can’t even get involved. We gotta be doing something right, and this kid seems a lot more level headed than Okoro, Tyger, and company.
     
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    And by level headed, I mean more of a Purdue fit than the others.
     
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    Haarms helped us to be in this situation. Hope we can close and establish a Sunrise to West Lafayette pipeline.
     
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    Is this true? I didn’t think they knew each other, and I haven’t heard that haarms has been actively recruiting him.
     
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    Going thru profiles on Rivals, I've noticed theres always more than one prospect at that school at a time.
     
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    Malik is a fine young man and would be a great asset to Purdue MBB!
     
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    The entire Sunrise team was here for a game last year. This had to be tied to Haarms being here. I am sure he is helping with the recruitment. If not, I dub thee to start.
     
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    Well, yeah... :)
     
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    Hey just stating facts... as much as I wanted all of the Paint Crew to have Tyger wigs for games, it just wasn’t gonna happen after UCLA got involved.
     
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    I think that’s right. If you’re interested in working hard on on your craft and getting a good education, Purdue can be a great fit. If you see the bright lights as an appeal rather than a distraction, you’re probably looking elsewhere if you have those options. I’m not sure that I would have been mature enough as a 17 or 18 year old to choose Matt Painter’s ‘come ready to work each day culture’, even though it would have been the best thing for me. Heck, Biggie almost got swayed by a silver tongued used car salesman and Purdue was the perfect fit for him and his Dad knew it.
     
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    Oh please......Are you implying that kids that go to high profile programs don't work hard on their games? You think other players don't work as hard as Purdue players? You think Coach K, or Self or whomever give their kids a break and expect less of their work ethic than Painter?
    And what bright lights are you referring to? You think players at UCLA get some sort of LA star treatment and are running from the paparazzi? Give me a break. If that were the case, no player would ever go to Kansas or MSU because those town are $hit holes. They'd all be lined up at St. Johns and Rutgers so they could live the NY lifestyle (or so you think).
     
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    So funny!
     
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    The level to which you are out of touch in regards to basketball is abundantly clear and hysterical.
     
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    I think you're probably selling yourself short. I'm assuming you went to Purdue, when you could have gone to some easier school that is known for parties rather than rigorous academics. But you knew what was best for you.
     
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    I think without a doubt Purdue over the last 30 years is known as a hard nosed program. It attracts a certain blue collar type of player. Additionally, all reports indicate that Painter is brutally honest with recruits, which, like anything else, appeals to some and turns off others.
     
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    So, what are you saying? That location is the most important factor to a recruit? I think you watch too many movies.
     
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    Would you consider MSU to be a hard nosed program? How about Kansas? Ohio State? I don't think any of those programs are considered soft.
    Do you also think there's a correlation then between Painter's style and the fact that we haven't been to a FF in 38 years?
     
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    We have gone around with you on this very subject numerous times. Not only is the conditioning program at Purdue equal to or more rigorous (remember Albrecht's experience), but the academics are certainly tougher for athletes.

    You seem to have bitten into the bait very hard and no doubt will find it very hard to let go of the hook. I look forward to 2-3 more pages of arguments about this subject. :cool:
     
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    I have 4 degrees. of the 4, Purdue was by far the hardest to achieve. Although, while at Purdue I changed my majors 5 times, and was part of the school of science, the school of management, and the school of education. When comparing universities, there are some schools at Purdue that are very academically challenging, but not all. In my humble opinion, Purdue's School of Education is a cakewalk compared to many of Purdue's other degree offerings. if I had started out in the Purdue's School of Education, I could have easily made the Deans list every semester. You may call me stupid for taking and completing 4 semesters of calculus and 2 semesters of Chemistry. Those 6 courses were HARD. But I did complete them which is something 95% of the world's college students can't say and wouldn't even try.

    my degrees from UTSA and USF do not compare with my degree from Purdue. They were a cakewalk by comparison. However, the two best job offers I ever received were as a student at USF.

    So I'll ask , what's the point of attending Purdue and staying up studying every night , if you can get better job offers attending a school that could care less about it's academic standards? isn't the point of college to prepare yourself to get a job?

    and I'll also admit, there are many degrees at Purdue that are very challenging, but there are also many degrees offered at Purdue that are relatively easy. And I don't see very many athletes coming to Purdue with the desire of taking thermo dynamics. or the 4 semester calculus series.

    if you're an elite athlete, why would you choose Purdue over a lesser academic school like UK, Kansas, Louisville, or Xavier ? because you also want to become an aerodynamical engineer? or because you believe would better develop your basketball talents? or because of the beauty of our campus? We just had 5 boilermaker basketball players graduate. At least 3 still have pro basketball aspirations. I'm curious, what were their degrees in? Who was the last 4/5 star elite athlete that came to Purdue to get an engineering degree?

    I'm being serious. Why? because while Purdue may have a lofty reputation as being a challenging academic school, the reality is that many of Purdue's degrees are just as easy to complete as the degree programs at colleges Purdue fans say are papermill colleges.

    I'll go on record as saying USF and Auburn are papermill colleges. but if you're a smart person, why burn yourself out for 4 years at Purdue, if you can get a better job offer graduating from Auburn or USF ? Wouldn't you rather party hearty for 4 years, accept your diploma, and then accept that 6 figure job that is waiting for you? Why work hard for something, when you can have something twice as good at half the effort?

    I'm beginning to think this entire thing about having ethics, pride, and working hard is the wrong avenue to take. and just use contacts rather than your skills and intelligence to get a job.
     
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    I don't think much of this makes sense. You have to know that certain degrees/majors earn more money than others, no matter which school you get them from. An Ag degree from Purdue won't compare well to a masters in EE from anywhere.

    For example: Graduate with a pre-med degree, get a $40k job as a med tech. Instead, take the pre-med degree and get into med school, and get $100k when you graduate. Wait. Turn around and get a specialist education, and get $600k. You are telling us that the school you got the pre-med degree isn't as good as the specialty school because the salary was less. Really? Surely you are not that dumb, but you attempt to tell us this fairy story.
     
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    Wow, that feels like a lot of emotion in response to a fairly innocuous post. I’ll bite though, here are my answers to your questions?

    Do I think that players at Purdue work harder than other program? If you read my post at no point did I say that. Do I think that Matt’s teams work harder than most? I do.

    Do I think that Matt’s recruiting pitch is ‘come here, bust your ass, be part of a great basketball culture and we’ll make you a better player and give you an opportunity to earn a great degree? I know that it is.

    Are there some kids to whom that pitch doesn’t doesn’t resonate because they want more media exposure, don’t want to live in central Indiana for four years, etc? Having been a division 1 athlete a million years ago and knowing hundreds more, I’d be shocked if that weren’t true.

    Do I think that players at UCLA, Kansas and Duke get star treatment relative to players at Purdue? No, I know that they do, it’s not a debate, simply a fact. Even in towns that aren’t great the media exposure and fan treatment of players is in a different realm than Purdue. You don’t have to look to different states to see that, it’s true at IU.

    Did I miss any? I’m happy to discuss if you have a different view that you care to support.
     
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    So, according to Spike, Purdue had a tougher conditioning program than Michigan yet Michigan has been to how many FFs? What gives?
     
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    Maybe one does not automatically guarantee the other. Shockingly, there may be no specific actions that guarantee a FF because the damn thing has so much random chance in it that many teams have everything needed to reach the FF and never do.
     
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    Unfortunately, you could win a lot of bar bets asking which B10 teams haven’t made a FF in the last 38 years.
    But, it’s no mistake that teams like UM, OSU, and other B10 teams will make a FF every 5-7 years and PU is not in that group.
     
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    Odd that you would stop at 38 years. Why not round it off to 40 years, or use 20 years? Maybe 38 years works better for your specific argument?

    Using 40 years makes for more of a better representation of a long history. Using 10 or 15 years may show a better trend line.
     
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    If Hummel doesn't bust up his knee and last year, Purdue got Michigans draw with a healthy Haas, one could argue Purdue would have more final fours than Michigan in the same span. Luck plays a major factor in both draw and health of the players. Not taking anything away from what Michigan has done because they have absolutely taken advantage of the opportunities presented.

    The point of this was not to play the what if game. It's simply to point out that multiple factors play into makeing a final four. Virginia is the perfect example. They earned the one seed. They lost a key piece riggt before the tournament. They then ran into UMBC that looked like a team good enough to beat anybody. As a result, they became the first one seed to lose to a 16 seed.
     
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    Umm...because PUs last FF was in 1980.
    2018-1980=38 years. Pretty simple.
     
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    There’s no guarantees on whether we make a FF without those injuries. Injuries happen. But the Eagles won a Super Bowl with a backup QB.
    Speaking of UVA, how many FF have they made since 1980?
     
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    Just for the record, I do think Painter has changed his recruiting and coaching philosophy. I think he is more offensive as opposed to defense oriented. I think in order to attract top talent, Purdue needs to get away from the “defense lives here” mantra.
    He’s starting to get guards who can create and shoot as opposed to just manage the half court offense and play man to man D.
    Will this translate into FF and NCs? I can only hope.
     
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    I love professional students.
     
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    Injuries and luck. It's all about placement and matchups. No guarantees, of course, but you can't deny Michigan had a hilariously easy path. Purdue got an key injury and was placed in the same bracket as Villanova.

    Purdue went 2-1 against the runner up for the national title, but only made it to the sweet 16.

    Eagles won because they had a former starter for the Eagles, former pro bowler, and former NFL passer rating leader to come in as a backup. It's not like Curtis Painter trying to replace Manning there.

    I am not exactly sure what broad point you are trying to make, it seems to have been pulled off the path. But in Painter has had a pretty good run at Purdue. A lot of programs would give anything for multiple sweet 16s and conference titles. Not to mention, Purdue has had a player in contention for the national player of the year for what will be the third straight year.
     
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    There’s more to it than injury, luck and matchups. I don’t believe Purdue has been unlucky for 38 years with only 2 Elite 8s to show for it over that time. Eventually it comes down to players and coaching.
     

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