Maing the Right Move on Educational Preferences

[SDBoiler1]

What is the right answer? Make universities more inclusive by having different admissions standards for some demographics?

"On July 3, the Trump administration withdrew those six college guidances, plus a seventh promoting racial quotas in secondary education. The documents went beyond the confines of existing law, according to the Trump Education and Justice Departments, and were part of the Obama administration’s abuse of executive power. Universities would remain free to use racial preferences, but the federal government would no longer encourage them to do so."

https://www.city-journal.org/html/making-right-move-racial-preferences-16016.html

 

[ComradeRedBoilermaker]

What is the right answer? Make universities more inclusive by having different admissions standards for some demographics?

"On July 3, the Trump administration withdrew those six college guidances, plus a seventh promoting racial quotas in secondary education. The documents went beyond the confines of existing law, according to the Trump Education and Justice Departments, and were part of the Obama administration’s abuse of executive power. Universities would remain free to use racial preferences, but the federal government would no longer encourage them to do so."

https://www.city-journal.org/html/making-right-move-racial-preferences-16016.html

an enormous amount of exaggerations, misrepresentations, and outright lies in this article. I had never heard of city-journal, so googling it was not surprised to see it was the mouth piece of a right wing think tank.

There were no racial quotas. Those were ruled unconstitutional decades ago. Anyone saying there were racial quotas is lying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratz_v._Bollinger

I studied affirmative action policy extensively my senior year of college. The idea that colleges and universities were admitting badly under-qualified racial minorities based on their race is simply untrue. The supreme court has ruled many times on this issue over the last 30-40 years and it is inarguably against the law to admit people to schools based on race alone or race primarily. Past supreme court cases set guidelines on what must be considered before race can be considered in admissions.

 

[SDBoiler1]

an enormous amount of exaggerations, misrepresentations, and outright lies in this article. I had never heard of city-journal, so googling it was not surprised to see it was the mouth piece of a right wing think tank.

There were no racial quotas. Those were ruled unconstitutional decades ago. Anyone saying there were racial quotas is lying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratz_v._Bollinger

I studied affirmative action policy extensively my senior year of college. The idea that colleges and universities were admitting badly under-qualified racial minorities based on their race is simply untrue. The supreme court has ruled many times on this issue over the last 30-40 years and it is inarguably against the law to admit people to schools based on race alone or race primarily. Past supreme court cases set guidelines on what must be considered before race can be considered in admissions.

Then why are Asian students suing Harvard, for instance? There have been numerous lawsuits against public colleges about affirmative action admissions policies. Some have gone to the USSC, some haven’t.

 

[hunkgolden]

an enormous amount of exaggerations, misrepresentations, and outright lies in this article. I had never heard of city-journal, so googling it was not surprised to see it was the mouth piece of a right wing think tank.

There were no racial quotas. Those were ruled unconstitutional decades ago. Anyone saying there were racial quotas is lying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratz_v._Bollinger

I studied affirmative action policy extensively my senior year of college. The idea that colleges and universities were admitting badly under-qualified racial minorities based on their race is simply untrue. The supreme court has ruled many times on this issue over the last 30-40 years and it is inarguably against the law to admit people to schools based on race alone or race primarily. Past supreme court cases set guidelines on what must be considered before race can be considered in admissions.

More facts for you lefties to munch on:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/15/politics/harvard-admissions-asian-american/index.html

 

[ComradeRedBoilermaker]

Then why are Asian students suing Harvard, for instance? There have been numerous lawsuits against public colleges about affirmative action admissions policies. Some have gone to the USSC, some haven’t.

The plaintiffs in that case are alleging Harvard uses a quota system similar to the one the University of Michigan used before Gratz v Bollinger. If Harvard is found to be using a quota system, they will be ordered by the courts to stop, per the ruling of Gratz.

What i was saying when I said "there were no racial quotas" was that the Obama administration did not recommend to colleges and universities that they adopt a racial quota system. The article you posted alleges that the 7th of the Obama era guidelines called for racial quotas. That is a lie. The Obama era guidelines were in compliance with Gratz.

 

[tjreese]

an enormous amount of exaggerations, misrepresentations, and outright lies in this article. I had never heard of city-journal, so googling it was not surprised to see it was the mouth piece of a right wing think tank.

There were no racial quotas. Those were ruled unconstitutional decades ago. Anyone saying there were racial quotas is lying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratz_v._Bollinger

I studied affirmative action policy extensively my senior year of college. The idea that colleges and universities were admitting badly under-qualified racial minorities based on their race is simply untrue. The supreme court has ruled many times on this issue over the last 30-40 years and it is inarguably against the law to admit people to schools based on race alone or race primarily. Past supreme court cases set guidelines on what must be considered before race can be considered in admissions.

trying to go off memory and admit I've slept since then, but think Berkley dropped the SAT for a while due to not being to admit enough blacks on campus. I was quickly able to find this though..

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/5131720/ns/us_news-life/t/black-admissions-drop-uc-berkeley/#.W0YStdVKhEY

Snip..snip "Part of the explanation may go beyond the famously liberal school itself. Applications from black students were down about 10 percent here, and decreases in minority applications also were reported at the University of Michigan and Ohio State University.

The cause Gary Orfield, co-director of The Civil Rights Project at Harvard University, said possible explanations include higher tuitions across the nation as well as publicity over a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that struck down Michigan’s system for giving admission preference based on race.

Berkeley recruiting efforts were further hurt, campus officials say, by new restrictions on their practice of flying students from predominantly minority high schools to campus for pre-application visits.

There may be more...just wanted to provide info that preference based upon race was true to some degree and some fashion...how much I don't know...

The word "quotas" instead of preference provides a different context...