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There's a problem with m0slem pilots and it is;
They do what they think Allah wishes;
When they go jihad;
That's really bad;
Because passengers end up with the fishes.

This post was edited on 12/29 10:44 PM by buygreekbonds
 
If you weren't obviously drunk, then that might have been good enough to be sorta funny.
 
Originally posted by buygreekbonds:

db, would you prefer to fly with an Islamic pilot or a Methodist pilot?
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Which one has more hours in the air? Or more years training? Or the most trips on the particular flight I'm taking?
 
I'm sure

those are the same questions the unrequited love child of GMM and hunk would ask as well.
 
Well as you've convinced me

I always say if something happens once per tens of thousands of times it's ironclad evidence.
 
Re: I'm sure


Originally posted by buygreekbonds:
OK, who remembers this one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
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To make your argument work, you would have to statistically prove that the number of planes intentionally crashed by Muslim pilots in any given period of time is greater than the number of planes that crash accidentally with pilots of other faiths.

When you've done that research and can prove that I am statistically more likely to die by intentional crash if my pilot is Muslim than accidentally if my pilot is, say, Buddhist, then I'll buy it.

Good luck.
 
Re: I'm sure


More on Egypt Air 990


Thirty minutes after takeoff from New York on a nonstop flight to Cairo, the fully loaded Boeing 767, a 300-series long-range model, dropped from 36,000 feet to 19,000 feet in half a minute, an enormously fast dive that probably made the aircraft break up in several large pieces. At 19,000 feet the Boeing disappeared from radar; its pieces then hit the Atlantic Ocean. All 217 passengers and crew died. The investigation showed that pilot Gamal al-Batouti had muttered several times an Arabic phrase often associated with the moments before death, "I rely on God," as the autopilot was disconnected and the plane entered a steep dive. The position of the tailplanes found amid the wreckage suggested that the person seated on the left, al-Batouti, had been pushing the yoke forward to make the plane dive, while the other pilot tried to pull up.

The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board concluded that no mechanical event could have caused the airplane's behavior. Egypt never accepted the implicit conclusion that al-Batouti had intentionally crashed, and conspiracy theories flourished. Aviation writer and pilot William Langewiesche wrote a lengthy piece in the Atlantic magazine on the accident's aftermath, arguing that the English-speaking Cairo upper classes knew full well that the Egyptian pilot had killed himself and everybody on board, but that the government chose instead to fuel speculation of an American coverup.
 
Re: I'm sure

It doesn't matter how many examples you can give, unless you have proof that:

1. All of these incidents were intentional.

and

2. That there are more of these incidents than accidents with non-Muslim pilots.

Without knowing how many crashes involved non-Muslim pilots, your instances mean nothing.

In other words, you need to say something like:

"From 1960-2010, there were X number of crashes involving Muslim pilots and Y number of crashes involving non Muslim pilots. Since X is greater than Y, you are in greater danger with a Muslim pilot."
 
Re: I'm sure

Back at ya, Pastor Joe. Other than Islam, I defy you to cite any other airline crash in which the religious beliefs of the pilot(s) was suspected as being the primary cause.
 
oh good grief...in none of your examples is there any evidence that

the religious beliefs of the pilot were the primary cause of the crash. So one guy was praying to Allah when he allegedly nosedived into the ground. That doesn't mean his religion is what caused him to do it. People of all faiths tend to pray in the face of death, whether its a self-inflicted death or one caused by something else. The fact that the pilots in your examples were Muslim does not mean that it was their religion which caused them to nosedive into the ground on purpose.

Case in point: Younes Khayati. (RAM 630). The conclusion of investigators is that he nosedived because of a lovers' quarrel--between him and his female co-pilot! Now, how was his religion the primary cause?



This post was edited on 12/31 11:21 AM by Noodle
 
stop

You are using logic, when your gut should tell you, they were all Muslims, therefore, they did it because of their religion.

It feels right, doesn't it? And when it feels right, you don't need logic or facts. (I miss Colbert already).

This post was edited on 12/31 11:24 AM by qazplm
 
Re: I'm sure

Captain Tsu Way Ming of Singapore is somehow a "Jihad pilot"? Your linked Wiki article doesn't even mention the words "Islam" or "Muslim".
 
Re: I'm sure

Since 2012, there have been 30 major commercial airplane accidents involving fatalities. 30 in three years. You've given one example from 1997 where you might possibly construe that Islamic Jihad had anything to do with the pilot crashing the aircraft.

To answer your initial question, no, I would not have a problem flying with a Muslim pilot. I've done so several times.
 
what is your point?

Is your point, don't fly with Muslim pilots cuz they'll kill ya?
If so, then your post here is nonsensical.
If so, then you'd need to ask, what is the percentage of Muslim flights where the pilot was Muslim and they purposefully crashed the plane? What percentage would I attribute to simply every group has a few crazies and what percentage does it become this group is a significant risk to do this such that I should alter my behavior or approach?

Or is it just more "Muslims bad/other" bigotry?

I think I know what I think since you haven't bothered to do any of the former, and since if you did, it's clear the answer would be that Muslim pilots do this so exceedingly rarely that it would be insipid to fold it into any planning or preparation when flying.
 
Re: I'm sure

Originally posted by gr8indoorsman:
Captain Tsu Way Ming of Singapore is somehow a "Jihad pilot"? Your linked Wiki article doesn't even mention the words "Islam" or "Muslim".
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Are you sure that it wasn't Captain Sum Ting Wong or possibly the Co-Pilot Wi Tu Lo that flew the plane into the sea?
 
Re: oh good grief...in none of your examples is there any evidence that

Originally posted by Noodle:
the religious beliefs of the pilot were the primary cause of the crash. So one guy was praying to Allah when he allegedly nosedived into the ground. That doesn't mean his religion is what caused him to do it. People of all faiths tend to pray in the face of death, whether its a self-inflicted death or one caused by something else. The fact that the pilots in your examples were Muslim does not mean that it was their religion which caused them to nosedive into the ground on purpose.
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Transcript of Last Moments of EgyptAir Flight 990







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Following is the English translation of the final two minutes and 43 seconds of EgyptAir Flight 990's cockpit voice recorder.

Only the voices of the departure crew's pilot, Ahmed Mahmoud El Habashy, and the relief crew's co-pilot, Gamil El Batouty, are identified on this final portion of the tape.



El Batouty: Look, here's the new first officer's pen. Give it to him please. God spare you. (unidentified voice):Yeah. El Batouty: To make sure it doesn't get lost. El Habashy: Excuse me, Jimmy, while I take a quick trip to the toilet …

(whirring sound similar to electric seat motor operating; sound of click; sound similar to cockpit door operating) El Batouty: Go ahead, please.


(sound of several clicks) El Habashy: … before it gets crowded. While they are eating, and I'll get back to you.

(sound similar to cockpit door operating; sound of thunk; sound of clink) (unidentified voice): [three unintelligible syllables]

(sound of click and thump) El Batouty: I rely on God. (heard faintly)



(sounds of thumps and clicks for about 30 seconds; whirring sound similar to electric seat motor operating; two faint thumps followed by louder thump; about 17 seconds later, two clicks and two thumps) El Batouty: I rely on God.

(one loud thump and three faint thumps) El Batouty: I rely on God. I rely on God.



(four tones similar to Master Caution aural beeper) El Batouty: I rely on God. I rely on God. I rely on God. I rely on God.

(sound of loud thump) El Batouty: I rely on God. El Habashy: What's happening? What's happening? El Batouty: I rely on God.



(sound of numerous thumps and clicks continue for approximately 15 seconds; repeating high-low tone similar to Master Warning aural starts and continues to the end of recording) El Batouty: I rely on God. El Habashy: What's happening? (unidentified voice): [unintelligible] El Habashy: What's happening, Gamil? What's happening?



(four tones similar to Master Caution aural beeper) El Habashy: What is this? What is this? Did you shut the engine?

(one microphone detects a change and increase in sound) El Habashy: Get away in the engines. Shut the engines. El Batouty: It's shut. El Habashy: Pull. Pull with me. Pull with me. Pull with me.



According to investigators, the transcript ends here - at 1:50 a.m. and 38 seconds EST - as the aircraft starts to descend from cruise altitude. Apparently, electrical power to the recorder ended at that time.
 
That's it? Really?


You're either an idiot or a troll. Take your pick.

Again, the fact that the pilot was praying to God as he flew the plane into the ocean says absolutely nothing about why he did what he did. Nothing. Yet, you reach the conclusion that his religion was the primary cause of it?!?

Did you even bother to look at the other reports about why investigators think he did it? I'll help you out a little bit:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/mar/16/duncancampbell

And please just go away. You bring absolutely nothing useful or interesting to the table. Nothing.
 
Re: That's it? Really?


Nothing? Re-read this:

" El Habashy: What is this? What is this? Did you shut the engine?



"(one microphone detects a change and increase in sound) El Habashy: Get away in the engines. Shut the engines. El Batouty: It's shut. El Habashy: Pull. Pull with me. Pull with me. Pull with me."

The jihadist shut the engines off and the plane went started down. The co-pilot returned from the lavatory and begged the pilot to pull on the control stick to get the plane out of the dive. What does it take to get it into your head?

And how about that Malaysian Airlines flight where a pilot shut off the transponder and evaded radar for hours? That wasn't intentional?
 
maybe you should write to the arilines and ask them to...


start publishing the religious affiliation of its pilots--so you can pick your seat AND the religion of your pilot!

Better yet, maybe there's a business opportunity for an airline that only uses Christian or Jewish pilots? Are there any other religions that are acceptable for you with respect to a person who has your life in their hands? Are Zoroastrians OK?

Better yet, how about all atheist pilot and crew? That way their is no possibility of religion influencing them during flight.

And do we need to do the same thing with respect to surgeons? Or are you comfortable with a Muslim doctor?
 
Re: That's it? Really?


Don't know why I am bothering, but let's see if I can simplify things down to your level.

I am not challenging your assertion that the pilots you mentioned intentionally crashed their airplanes. At no point in this thread have I questioned or challenged that claim. Rather, I am calling you out on your ridiculous and completely unsupported claim that it was their religious beliefs which was the primary cause of their decision to intentionally crash their airplane. Absolutely nothing supports that claim.

In other words, all you have done is make the absurdly stupid conclusion that since the pilot was Muslim, it was his religion which caused him to intentionally crash his plane.

And on top of that, to refer to the pilots as "jihadists"?

This post was edited on 12/31 4:37 PM by Noodle
 
Re: That's it? Really?



Rather, I am calling you out on your ridiculous and completely unsupported claim that it was their religious beliefs which was the primary cause of their decision to intentionally crash their airplane. Absolutely nothing supports that claim.
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" El Batouty: I rely on God. (heard faintly)




"(sounds of thumps and clicks for about 30 seconds; whirring sound similar to electric seat motor operating; two faint thumps followed by louder thump; about 17 seconds later, two clicks and two thumps) El Batouty: I rely on God.

'(one loud thump and three faint thumps) El Batouty: I rely on God. I rely on God.



"(four tones similar to Master Caution aural beeper) El Batouty: I rely on God. I rely on God. I rely on God. I rely on God.

"(sound of loud thump) El Batouty: I rely on God. El Habashy: What's happening? What's happening? El Batouty: I rely on God.


"(sound of numerous thumps and clicks continue for approximately 15 seconds; repeating high-low tone similar to Master Warning aural starts and continues to the end of recording) El Batouty: I rely on God."
 
Re: That's it? Really?


Originally posted by buygreekbonds:


Rather, I am calling you out on your ridiculous and completely unsupported claim that it was their religious beliefs which was the primary cause of their decision to intentionally crash their airplane. Absolutely nothing supports that claim.
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" El Batouty: I rely on God. (heard faintly)




"(sounds of thumps and clicks for about 30 seconds; whirring sound similar to electric seat motor operating; two faint thumps followed by louder thump; about 17 seconds later, two clicks and two thumps) El Batouty: I rely on God.

'(one loud thump and three faint thumps) El Batouty: I rely on God. I rely on God.


"(four tones similar to Master Caution aural beeper) El Batouty: I rely on God. I rely on God. I rely on God. I rely on God.

"(sound of loud thump) El Batouty: I rely on God. El Habashy: What's happening? What's happening? El Batouty: I rely on God.

"(sound of numerous thumps and clicks continue for approximately 15 seconds; repeating high-low tone similar to Master Warning aural starts and continues to the end of recording) El Batouty: I rely on God."
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This demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of Islam. "I rely on God" is a Muslim prayer along the lines of a Christian praying, "God help me."

So, if there was a recording of a Christian pilot on a plane going down repeatedly saying, "God help me," you would say that the pilot was intentionally crashing the plane for religious reasons, right?
 
Re: That's it? Really?

I also read that he picked his nose and ate his buggers right in front of the co-pilot right before he turned off the engines.
 
Re: That's it? Really?

Let's grant you that this Egypt air guy crashed the plane because he was Muslim. I give you that. You win.

That's one flight. As I mentioned, there were 30 fatal commercial airplane accidents from 2012 to 2014. Thirty in three years. Your only example that even has the remote smell of being related to "jihad" is from 1997. If there were ~10 per year, that means there've been 170 fatal commercial airplane accidents not involving hijacking since 1997, and you've found one example that even has a remote chance of being traced to an Islamic pilot conducting "Islamic Jihad" by crashing an airplane. The other examples you cited haven't even sniffed anything about religion or Islam, and one of them was a Singaporan pilot who clearly wasn't Muslim anwyay.

So no, I do not have a problem flying with a Muslim pilot. Done it several times.

What a stupid thread. You guys must be having a competition about who can say the most idiotic crap. I think OP wins... JMO. Anyway, done here.

This post was edited on 12/31 6:47 PM by gr8indoorsman
 
I wouldn't even concede that

but heck concede every flight he's listed so far, then compare that to the number of flights flown by all Muslim pilots during the relevant time period. The percentage is going to be miniscule.
 
Why even give him that?

I already posted a link to a report explaining why the Egypt Air pilot is believed to have deliberately crashed the airplane, and it had nothing to do with his religion.

Also, the OP is pretty much the only person posting stupid stuff in this thread, unless you include my nose picking story. ;)
 
Re: Why even give him that?

Gosh, maybe you fellas are right. And I previously had Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan on my S list as a jihadist, but maybe he was just having a bad hair day at Fort Hood when he killed 13 fellow soldiers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan


Islamist praise



Some radical Muslim individuals and groups have claimed the events in Islamist terms for political purposes. After the Fort Hood shooting, [154]


Nidal Hassan [[157][/QUOTE]

In March 2010, the Al Qaeda spokesman, Adam Yahiye Gadahn, praised Hasan, saying that, although he was not a member of Al Qaeda, the


Mujahid brother ... has shown us what one righteous Muslim with an assault rifle can do for his religion and brothers in faith ... is a pioneer, a trailblazer and a role-model ... and yearns to discharge his duty to Allah and play a part in the defense of Islam and Muslims against the savage, heartless and bloody Zionist Crusader assault on our religion, sacred places and homelands."[158][/QUOTE]

Hours before the attack, CNN happened to have posted an interview and video of a New York group, [160]

A statement issued by the Ansar Al-Mujahideen Network, another extremist group, on November 24, 2009, cited Hasan as a role model. It congratulated him for his "brave and heroic deed" for standing up to the "modern Zionist-Christian Crusades" against the Muslim community.[159]
 
lol

Was he a pilot?

Oh wait no, he's a Muslim so this wasn't really about pilots, it was about "Muslims bad." And yes, it's pretty clear Hasan did it for religious reasons. It's also pretty clear that he had mental health issues. Just like Akbar (why didn't you add him to the list?).

Let me ask you, how many people did Hasan kill, and how many people did McVeigh/Nichols kill?
Or Koresh?
Or the KKK under the guise of Christianity?


Ah, but as GMM asserts, it's a numbers game right? If Muslims kill one more than other religions, that means something. Regardless of the fact that the VAST majority of people of all religions (or no religion) haven't killed, hurt, harmed, or done anything to anyone physically short of a punch or minor scuffle. That part doesn't matter.

We should also look to the 30 or so years when Islamic terrorism has been at the forefront, not at the entirety of history when every religion (and non-religion if you count the SU) has copious blood on their hands.

Your schtick is already being used by others on here. It's boring.
 
Re: Why even give him that?

Originally posted by gr8indoorsman:
Lose one argument, shift to another. Well played!
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Lose? The loser is you. You don't know what you're talking about.

A jihad murderer is a jihad murderer. They want to kill us infidels for pussy in paradise, specifically an houri of 77 virgins. Allah doesn't care if it's a gun or an airplane.

Hey, why don't you talk about Malaysian Flight 370? I asked previously but nary a response.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370
This post was edited on 1/1 10:22 PM by buygreekbonds
 
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