Let's speculate on possible OC's and DC's since we all know CDH is coming back

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Offensive Coordinators:

1. Bob Stitt
Current Job: Head Coach @ Montana
Reasoning: Stitt is known as an offensive innovator of the spread offense and has a successful track record as a coach to follow him. He has stated he would be highly interested in running his offense at a high level if he was given the keys to the car, so to say. In the event the offense is much improved but Hazell is let go, Stitt could then be hired as the HC, potentially.

2. Major Applewhite
Current Job: Offensive Coordinator @ Houston Cougars
Reasoning: Applewhite was a successful QB at the FBS level leading Texas to a record of 22-8. He could be tabbed as the next HC of Texas if Charlie Strong is found to be incapable to turning the program around. This could give Applewhite the chance to be the head of an offense at a P5 school and show he is capable of leading an offense at the major level. Houston currently ranks #10 in overall offense, #17 in first down offense, #40 in passing offense, #7 rushing offense, #8 in scoring offense, and #8 in 3rd down conversion. May not be a flashy hire but it is hard to argue his results.

3. Tyson Helton
Current Job: Offensive Coordinator @ Western Kentucky
Reasoning: Helton leads one of the more exciting offenses in the country with the Hilltoppers ranking #11 in total offense, #10 in scoring offense, #6 in passing offense, #95 rushing offense (Purdue is #109), #10 in 3rd down conversion, and #11 in first down offense. Clearly a pass first type of coordinator, Helton could lead a resurgence in the idea that Purdue's years of success come from them being a team that throws to establish an effective running game.

4. Mitch Stewart/Beau Baldwin
Current Job: Head Coaches @ Murray State/Eastern Washington
Reasoning: No real reasoning but these are the #1 and #2 passing offenses in the FCS. Hire them on for what is more than likely 2x-3x their normal salary as a head coach, give them the keys, and let him run the show. If the team vastly improves yet is still struggling, these two have backgrounds to be successful head coaches. Turn the keys of the program over to them (like my idea with Stitt).

To compare, Purdue's offense led by John Shoop ranks:

Total offense: 104
Passing Offense: 76
Rushing Offense: 109
First Down Offense: 93
3rd Down Percent: 101
Scoring Offense: 92
Red Zone Offense: 55
Team Passing Efficiency: 112

No idea on DC's right now honestly. I'll think about that later.

 

[boiler_pride]

Applewhite could be a great hire. A proven winner, an underdog, good offensive mind, not to mention he's a stand-up and good guy. If Hazell doesn't turn it around next year, you promote Apple to HC and see what he can do.

I'm going back and forth between giving Hudson another year at DC or not. On one hand, I feel like the O has basically broken our D. Even when we start a game well, the O just keeps turning the ball over, gives short field position, goes 3-and-out very often... On the other hand there has been too many personal penalties and obviously tackling is still a giant concern.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

No way any of those come. Maybe, in the odd chance of a new staff one would head this way. The Purdue job is not a better job than any of those that they have, especially the head coaches who will look for a lower level head job or a coordinator job at a good program.

If we cut bait with coordinators, and seeing how we operate and how delusional we are we probably will not do so, I would expect the retread of retreads. Remember Shoop was not even in football when he was hired in. Expect some old timer who was pretty shrewd 15-20 years ago.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

No way any of those come. Maybe, in the odd chance of a new staff one would head this way. The Purdue job is not a better job than any of those that they have, especially the head coaches who will look for a lower level head job or a coordinator job at a good program.

If we cut bait with coordinators, and seeing how we operate and how delusional we are we probably will not do so, I would expect the retread of retreads. Remember Shoop was not even in football when he was hired in. Expect some old timer who was pretty shrewd 15-20 years ago.

I put the hire of Shoop squarely on Hazell. I think he got caught up in resume alone (which Shoop's resume is pretty strong) and went with him based on that. Stitt makes 200k per year...Shoop makes 500k right now and the market has gone up for good OC's. I look for Purdue to give Hazell roughly $1.2 - $1.5 million to hire new coordinators and I tend to think the OC will be higher paid. That is a difficult offer to turn down knowing that some of the lower guys would have to really start out at a place not better than Purdue. For instance, the HC at NDSU went to Wyoming!

 

[PaBoiler78]

No way any of those come. Maybe, in the odd chance of a new staff one would head this way. The Purdue job is not a better job than any of those that they have, especially the head coaches who will look for a lower level head job or a coordinator job at a good program.

If we cut bait with coordinators, and seeing how we operate and how delusional we are we probably will not do so, I would expect the retread of retreads. Remember Shoop was not even in football when he was hired in. Expect some old timer who was pretty shrewd 15-20 years ago.

Ron Zook, maybe

 

[loftygoal]

No way any of those come. Maybe, in the odd chance of a new staff one would head this way. The Purdue job is not a better job than any of those that they have, especially the head coaches who will look for a lower level head job or a coordinator job at a good program.

If we cut bait with coordinators, and seeing how we operate and how delusional we are we probably will not do so, I would expect the retread of retreads. Remember Shoop was not even in football when he was hired in. Expect some old timer who was pretty shrewd 15-20 years ago.

Yep. If Haz is back the odds are there will be no changes. 1) He's about staying the course and 2) who would want to come here that had any talent

 

[pboiler18]

While the team is currently hot garbage, it's not out of the realm of possibility that we could hire a good OC, especially with our reputation and secondly us being able to pay significantly more than their current job. Shoop makes $500K a year and I think that puts him in the top 3-4 OCs in the conference. I know that Hudson doesn't make a lot though so we WOULD have to step things up there to get somebody worth a darn.

I see us promoting Freeman from within to be the DC and going out and trying to make a splash with our OC hire. All I know, is that if the guy isn't running a dynamic, pass based spread, we don't want him.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

While the team is currently hot garbage, it's not out of the realm of possibility that we could hire a good OC, especially with our reputation and secondly us being able to pay significantly more than their current job. Shoop makes $500K a year and I think that puts him in the top 3-4 OCs in the conference. I know that Hudson doesn't make a lot though so we WOULD have to step things up there to get somebody worth a darn.

I see us promoting Freeman from within to be the DC and going out and trying to make a splash with our OC hire. All I know, is that if the guy isn't running a dynamic, pass based spread, we don't want him.

Hudson makes $490k

 

[BeerbellyBoiler]

I like the thought of promoting Freeman to DC. As far as OC we have to bring in someone new and they must have passing offense that can spread the ball and get not only the players but a starving fan base something to be excited about. Anyone but Shoop and Hudson would be an upgrade.

 

[Statey]

If Purdue is promoting position coaches from within, it's reasonable to think that the current salaries of Shoop and Hudson would be more than sufficient for the new guys. Their job stability is no worse (same employer), and you'd have to think compensation of $500k would be a pretty nice increase for them.

If Purdue is hiring externally, I'd anticipate needing to add 25-50% (ballparking) to existing OC and DC salaries. The reason being, with the uncertainty of the head coaching position, and perhaps staring down the barrel of a 12-month gig, anyone good enough to come in and make a difference is going to require a bit of a premium relative to competing employers.

 

[pboiler18]

If Purdue is promoting position coaches from within, it's reasonable to think that the current salaries of Shoop and Hudson would be more than sufficient for the new guys. Their job stability is no worse (same employer), and you'd have to think compensation of $500k would be a pretty nice increase for them.

If Purdue is hiring externally, I'd anticipate needing to add 25-50% (ballparking) to existing OC and DC salaries. The reason being, with the uncertainty of the head coaching position, and perhaps staring down the barrel of a 12-month gig, anyone good enough to come in and make a difference is going to require a bit of a premium relative to competing employers.

If you bump Freeman, you could get away with paying him $250K this next year and then roll the other $250K over so that we could go buy a guy for $750K. I think Freeman makes like $135K this year, so its not like 250K is a small bump either.

 

[BeerbellyBoiler]

If you bump Freeman, you could get away with paying him $250K this next year and then roll the other $250K over so that we could go buy a guy for $750K. I think Freeman makes like $135K this year, so its not like 250K is a small bump either.

Is it at all possible to put pay increased performance clauses or bonuses into the coordinator contracts?

 

[pboiler18]

Is it at all possible to put pay increased performance clauses or bonuses into the coordinator contracts?

Most of them have them, but also demand the high base salary as well.

As I read Hazell's contract, he stands to make less than $2.25 million this year even though thats what his buyout amount is. His base salary is like 400K but the rest of the money is tied into bonuses with attendance and performance.

Or, there might be a clause that says the bear minimum is $2.25 but it doesn't read that way to me.

So, is Purdue paying Hazell less than his buyout by keeping him as coach? Not that that is a solid strategy...

 

[lbodel]

Offensive Coordinators:

1. Bob Stitt
Current Job: Head Coach @ Montana
Reasoning: Stitt is known as an offensive innovator of the spread offense and has a successful track record as a coach to follow him. He has stated he would be highly interested in running his offense at a high level if he was given the keys to the car, so to say. In the event the offense is much improved but Hazell is let go, Stitt could then be hired as the HC, potentially.

2. Major Applewhite
Current Job: Offensive Coordinator @ Houston Cougars
Reasoning: Applewhite was a successful QB at the FBS level leading Texas to a record of 22-8. He could be tabbed as the next HC of Texas if Charlie Strong is found to be incapable to turning the program around. This could give Applewhite the chance to be the head of an offense at a P5 school and show he is capable of leading an offense at the major level. Houston currently ranks #10 in overall offense, #17 in first down offense, #40 in passing offense, #7 rushing offense, #8 in scoring offense, and #8 in 3rd down conversion. May not be a flashy hire but it is hard to argue his results.

3. Tyson Helton
Current Job: Offensive Coordinator @ Western Kentucky
Reasoning: Helton leads one of the more exciting offenses in the country with the Hilltoppers ranking #11 in total offense, #10 in scoring offense, #6 in passing offense, #95 rushing offense (Purdue is #109), #10 in 3rd down conversion, and #11 in first down offense. Clearly a pass first type of coordinator, Helton could lead a resurgence in the idea that Purdue's years of success come from them being a team that throws to establish an effective running game.

4. Mitch Stewart/Beau Baldwin
Current Job: Head Coaches @ Murray State/Eastern Washington
Reasoning: No real reasoning but these are the #1 and #2 passing offenses in the FCS. Hire them on for what is more than likely 2x-3x their normal salary as a head coach, give them the keys, and let him run the show. If the team vastly improves yet is still struggling, these two have backgrounds to be successful head coaches. Turn the keys of the program over to them (like my idea with Stitt).

To compare, Purdue's offense led by John Shoop ranks:

Total offense: 104
Passing Offense: 76
Rushing Offense: 109
First Down Offense: 93
3rd Down Percent: 101
Scoring Offense: 92
Red Zone Offense: 55
Team Passing Efficiency: 112

No idea on DC's right now honestly. I'll think about that later.

First off, he's back as of last night. Many times schools put out statements and fire a coach still.

Secondly, bless you for thinking anyone legit will come be a coordinator for a lame duck coach that has little talent.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Offensive Coordinators:

1. Bob Stitt
Current Job: Head Coach @ Montana
Reasoning: Stitt is known as an offensive innovator of the spread offense and has a successful track record as a coach to follow him. He has stated he would be highly interested in running his offense at a high level if he was given the keys to the car, so to say. In the event the offense is much improved but Hazell is let go, Stitt could then be hired as the HC, potentially.

2. Major Applewhite
Current Job: Offensive Coordinator @ Houston Cougars
Reasoning: Applewhite was a successful QB at the FBS level leading Texas to a record of 22-8. He could be tabbed as the next HC of Texas if Charlie Strong is found to be incapable to turning the program around. This could give Applewhite the chance to be the head of an offense at a P5 school and show he is capable of leading an offense at the major level. Houston currently ranks #10 in overall offense, #17 in first down offense, #40 in passing offense, #7 rushing offense, #8 in scoring offense, and #8 in 3rd down conversion. May not be a flashy hire but it is hard to argue his results.

3. Tyson Helton
Current Job: Offensive Coordinator @ Western Kentucky
Reasoning: Helton leads one of the more exciting offenses in the country with the Hilltoppers ranking #11 in total offense, #10 in scoring offense, #6 in passing offense, #95 rushing offense (Purdue is #109), #10 in 3rd down conversion, and #11 in first down offense. Clearly a pass first type of coordinator, Helton could lead a resurgence in the idea that Purdue's years of success come from them being a team that throws to establish an effective running game.

4. Mitch Stewart/Beau Baldwin
Current Job: Head Coaches @ Murray State/Eastern Washington
Reasoning: No real reasoning but these are the #1 and #2 passing offenses in the FCS. Hire them on for what is more than likely 2x-3x their normal salary as a head coach, give them the keys, and let him run the show. If the team vastly improves yet is still struggling, these two have backgrounds to be successful head coaches. Turn the keys of the program over to them (like my idea with Stitt).

To compare, Purdue's offense led by John Shoop ranks:

Total offense: 104
Passing Offense: 76
Rushing Offense: 109
First Down Offense: 93
3rd Down Percent: 101
Scoring Offense: 92
Red Zone Offense: 55
Team Passing Efficiency: 112

No idea on DC's right now honestly. I'll think about that later.

Pep Hamilton is looking for work!

 

[BeerbellyBoiler]

Pep Hamilton is looking for work!

And you think John Shoop's offensive lacks creativity? Peps offense has no separation for wide receivers and doesn't know what a draw or screen pass is.

 

[Redhotfill]

MB will sprinkle some holy natatorium water on it all and bless it as is. Everyone comes back for Shyte Show IV Starring Haz & Friends!

 

[hawks!!]

Mark Mangino is available and he LOVES to pass (and eat).

 

[pb1941]

Mark Mangino is available and he LOVES to pass (and eat).

I think its eat and when I`m done I`ll pass if there is any left.

 

[nat100]

Its going to be malone on offense. Easier to promote than to convince someone to come here for a year.

 

[fentonboiler]

Its going to be malone on offense. Easier to promote than to convince someone to come here for a year.

Yep. That's what I'm thinking as well.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Its going to be malone on offense. Easier to promote than to convince someone to come here for a year.

I agree he is best option. My only fear is he bolts back to the league.

 

[SIBoiler2]

I'm putting my money on Shoop and Hudson to continue the work in progress that they are so much a part of.

 

[Statey]

If you bump Freeman, you could get away with paying him $250K this next year and then roll the other $250K over so that we could go buy a guy for $750K. I think Freeman makes like $135K this year, so its not like 250K is a small bump either.

Your position isn't unreasonable, but I really don't like it. Being incredibly cheap with assistants is one thing that people on here complain about constantly. You're suggesting Purdue reduce the value they put on the OC position by 50% because the guy they're going to offer it to is a position coach who only deserve's half what Shoop makes? And you're going to demand better results too? Again, thinking purely in dollars and cents, I get where you're coming from. But if you're low balling him just because you can get away with it, if he has any success at all, he's going to look for "regular level" pay somewhere else the first time the phone rings. And he's probably not going to listen to Burke and others down the road when they say "oh no, don't go... we'll give you real OC pay if you stay!?"

 

[PaBoiler78]

Your position isn't unreasonable, but I really don't like it. Being incredibly cheap with assistants is one thing that people on here complain about constantly. You're suggesting Purdue reduce the value they put on the OC position by 50% because the guy they're going to offer it to is a position coach who only deserve's half what Shoop makes? And you're going to demand better results too? Again, thinking purely in dollars and cents, I get where you're coming from. But if you're low balling him just because you can get away with it, if he has any success at all, he's going to look for "regular level" pay somewhere else the first time the phone rings. And he's probably not going to listen to Burke and others down the road when they say "oh no, don't go... we'll give you real OC pay if you stay!?"

I think its eat and when I`m done I`ll pass if there is any left.

no to Mangino, he had some trouble w/ the law the other day. He was standing in the street and the cops come up to him and told him " to break it up".

 

[lbodel]

no to Mangino, he had some trouble w/ the law the other day. He was standing in the street and the cops come up to him and told him " to break it up".

Any hires externally would be no-names. NOBODY with a respectable resume will come to work for a lame duck coach - and if Hazell does return, everyone will know he's only returning for one reason (well 6 million reasons). Hopefully, we'll just have a coaching change in the next month.

 

[Heiner]

Its going to be malone on offense. Easier to promote than to convince someone to come here for a year.

And I'm 100% ok with that.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Your position isn't unreasonable, but I really don't like it. Being incredibly cheap with assistants is one thing that people on here complain about constantly. You're suggesting Purdue reduce the value they put on the OC position by 50% because the guy they're going to offer it to is a position coach who only deserve's half what Shoop makes? And you're going to demand better results too? Again, thinking purely in dollars and cents, I get where you're coming from. But if you're low balling him just because you can get away with it, if he has any success at all, he's going to look for "regular level" pay somewhere else the first time the phone rings. And he's probably not going to listen to Burke and others down the road when they say "oh no, don't go... we'll give you real OC pay if you stay!?"

I think the assumption is we're dealing with a 1 year (hopefully!!??) lame duck situation, we will suck, everyone's getting canned in 12 months scenario.

If that's the case, spend as little as possible on the staff, and put the 900K you save by getting rid of hudson and weird beard towards hazell's buyout.

 

[BoilermakerD]

Offensive Coordinators:

1. Bob Stitt
Current Job: Head Coach @ Montana
Reasoning: Stitt is known as an offensive innovator of the spread offense and has a successful track record as a coach to follow him. He has stated he would be highly interested in running his offense at a high level if he was given the keys to the car, so to say. In the event the offense is much improved but Hazell is let go, Stitt could then be hired as the HC, potentially.

2. Major Applewhite
Current Job: Offensive Coordinator @ Houston Cougars
Reasoning: Applewhite was a successful QB at the FBS level leading Texas to a record of 22-8. He could be tabbed as the next HC of Texas if Charlie Strong is found to be incapable to turning the program around. This could give Applewhite the chance to be the head of an offense at a P5 school and show he is capable of leading an offense at the major level. Houston currently ranks #10 in overall offense, #17 in first down offense, #40 in passing offense, #7 rushing offense, #8 in scoring offense, and #8 in 3rd down conversion. May not be a flashy hire but it is hard to argue his results.

3. Tyson Helton
Current Job: Offensive Coordinator @ Western Kentucky
Reasoning: Helton leads one of the more exciting offenses in the country with the Hilltoppers ranking #11 in total offense, #10 in scoring offense, #6 in passing offense, #95 rushing offense (Purdue is #109), #10 in 3rd down conversion, and #11 in first down offense. Clearly a pass first type of coordinator, Helton could lead a resurgence in the idea that Purdue's years of success come from them being a team that throws to establish an effective running game.

4. Mitch Stewart/Beau Baldwin
Current Job: Head Coaches @ Murray State/Eastern Washington
Reasoning: No real reasoning but these are the #1 and #2 passing offenses in the FCS. Hire them on for what is more than likely 2x-3x their normal salary as a head coach, give them the keys, and let him run the show. If the team vastly improves yet is still struggling, these two have backgrounds to be successful head coaches. Turn the keys of the program over to them (like my idea with Stitt).

To compare, Purdue's offense led by John Shoop ranks:

Total offense: 104
Passing Offense: 76
Rushing Offense: 109
First Down Offense: 93
3rd Down Percent: 101
Scoring Offense: 92
Red Zone Offense: 55
Team Passing Efficiency: 112

No idea on DC's right now honestly. I'll think about that later.

I almost vomited. I googled best ocs and one list had bill legg near the top...

 

[pboiler18]

I almost vomited. I googled best ocs and one list had bill legg near the top...

What watering with Legg?

He put up good #s in his 2 seasons as OC here

 

[BoilermakerD]

What watering with Legg?

He put up good #s in his 2 seasons as OC here

I know... We already had him... That's why I feel sick.

 

[pboiler18]

I know... We already had him... That's why I feel sick.

His offense put up huge #s vs bad to average teams.

We'd be 5-5 this year if he was out OC.

Don't see why that's vomit inducing.

Purdue CAN go out and spend big bucks on an OC and get somebody with a good resume. What makes me ill is that in my mind our HC probably thinks that Shoop is a good OC and is thinking about keeping him around. 4th times the charm right?

 

[Hatter22]

Malone as OC, get rid of Hudson and replace him with Shoop as DC. Shoop has demonstrated a freakish ability to shut down offenses and it's about time we took advantage of this.

 

[FirstDownB]

Malone as OC, get rid of Hudson and replace him with Shoop as DC. Shoop has demonstrated a freakish ability to shut down offenses and it's about time we took advantage of this.

Now, we are thinking outside the box! I like it! Or how about this idea... Hold a Quarterback camp this summer, invite QB recruits for future Purdue opponents. Put a name on it like "Cradle of QB camp", advertise appearances by former Purdue QBs (use Drew's and Orton's likeness on the invite, but maybe Terbush and Henry show up instead). Then, when the kids get there it is a 24/7 mass Shooping. After one week those kids will be so f'd their college coaches will never be able to recover!

 

[Cevol03]

Malone as OC, get rid of Hudson and replace him with Shoop as DC. Shoop has demonstrated a freakish ability to shut down offenses and it's about time we took advantage of this.

haha so true

 

[BeerbellyBoiler]

Is there any chance Purdue could get the Bowling Green offensive coordinator to come to Purdue? I'm sure the pay increase would be worth a listen?

 

[pboiler18]

Is there any chance Purdue could get the Bowling Green offensive coordinator to come to Purdue? I'm sure the pay increase would be worth a listen?

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. However, I think it's their HC Dino Babers that calls the plays there.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

haha so true

His brother actually is a really good DC at Penn State.

http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/bob_shoop_882997.html