Let's just keep fooling ourselves and making excuses - a long one

[vilehoopster]

Yes, why don’t we keep fooling ourselves and making excuses and diverting attention from the real problem? Let’s keep making fun of other coaches and programs.

I know, let’s make fun of Crean. Put up that video of him tucking in his shirt as R. Smith runs by, or the video or him kissing his son. Let’s call him Clappy and make tanning jokes. Let’s ignore his Final Four (one more than Painter and Keady combined) and this year’s Big Ten title and that he’s still playing and we aren’t.

I know, let’s make fun of Fran at Iowa. He swept us this year and took Siena, (SIENA for God’s sake!) to as many NCAA tourneys in five years there as Painter has gotten Purdue in the last five years. Oh, and Iowa, even with their collapse at the end of the season, made it to the weekend, unlike us.

I know, I saw someone this weekend make fun of Mike Davis, who also has been to one more Final Four than Painter and Keady combined.

I know, let’s bring up all the criminal stuff at Michigan State. It certainly may be true, but doesn’t make me feel any better this weekend as I’ve lost all interest in March Madness AGAIN!!!

I saw one yesterday where someone blamed our collapse the last two years on Francis Cordova (am I spelling her name correctly?). Yes, let’s blame it on the female with the Latino name. How Trumpian of you.

I like the people with the Fire Cal, Izzo, Huggins, Shaka posts on here. They are being sarcastic and ironically pointing out that fans are over reacting to JUST ONE LOSS. That just kills me. If one of those coaches, any of them had finished last in their conference like Painter did two years ago, the year after they lost a CBI game at home, every single one of them would have been fired back then, every one!

Let's use the youth excuse; too many freshmen and sophomores.Yes, seniors are physically more mature and therefore better than freshmen, but I used to coach high school basketball, and by sectional time, after 20 or 21 games, I didn't consider my freshmen or sophomores as young, I thought of them as experienced varsity players. Counting exhibition games, Purdue had played something like 35 or 36 games before Thursday. By then, Purdue had nothing but experienced players. I have always thought the youth excuse by tournament time was silly.

I was really angry with the people who came on here blaming the loss on the “Same ole Lazy A. J. Hammons.” My God! If it weren’t for a couple amazing block in OT and down the stretch, we would never have made it to the 2nd OT. Also, the center is a dependent position. People have to throw him the ball. That our players went away from feeding the post with the game on the line, as they have in other losses this year, then that problem was never solved and corrected in practice; that is just bad teaching, which is 100% on the coach.

Let’s blame our guards. Forget that we had different guards (including Lewis Jackson, who was mentioned in the Doyal article as a difference maker) last year or back when we blew a late lead down the stretch against Kansas about five years ago. Different guards, but the same results when we quit attacking the defense with the lead and are trying to waste out the shot clock; we either get a terrible shot and come up empty, or as happened to Purdue this Thursday and to Lewis Jackson against Kansas, the guard is trapped out on the perimeter and the ball is stolen. How many game must be lost on this strategy before a coach learns that it just doesn’t work, how many? Will Painter learn after it has cost him in our last three NCAA appearances?

Let’s blame that we’re terrible against the press on the guards; we’ve been bitchin’ about our guards on this forum all year. Our guards were more than adequate with our front line to get to a Final Four this year, more than adequate. I feel sorry that they’ve been thrown under the bus by everyone including Painter somewhat in the Doyal article. Please listen to this: Unless it’s a total surprise, THE PRESS SHOULD NEVER WORK, NEVER! That’s why you don’t see it in the NBA unless it’s a desperate situation. All you have to do is not panic, reverse the ball, go up the other sideline, then attack the press for layups or dunks. Why can’t we learn that in practice? In practice, do what high school coaches do; practice against seven guys pressing until they learn and run them til they puke if they make a mistake. That Painter can’t teach how to break a press is just plain bad teaching in practice, bad coaching!! We were terrible against the press last year (Cost us the Minnesota game). How can a coach not fix this in over a year of practices and summer workouts? How?

Let’s go with the excuse Painter said to Doyal, we need that one player who can break down a defense. Painter always finds a way to blame the players. Accordng to Haas, I sure repeating Painter comments to the team after the game, we, the players, lost focus, or what he said to Doyal: we need better players. That is total BS: We had good enough players to get a 17 point lead on Iowa at home, a big lead at Maryland, a huge lead then blow it against Michigan State at home, and get a lead against Kansas five years ago, or a 7 point lead against Cincy with 50 seconds to go, or get a 13 point lead with 3 and1/2 minutes on Thursday. Those lost leads and losses are on the coach, who clearly does a poor job with late games X’s and O’s, holding the ball and quitting to attack, and who does a terrible job of teaching how to beat a press and pressure defense.

No, I am not over-reacting to the loss Thursday; I am reacting to all the BS excuses I see on this board.

I am the guy who since we lost at home in the CBI three years ago has said Painter should be on the hot seat. I am the guy who repeated that claim two years ago after Northwestern came into Mackey and controlled a game that put Purdue in sole possession of last place. A Purdue program, that when Painter took over, led the Big Ten in total wins.

Yes, I am mad and upset that for the fourth year in a row, the best event in sports, March Madness, is ruined for me. Am I really the only Purdue fan whom March Madness is now ruined for?

One more point, all you Painter apologists and Doyal are correct: Painter is not in any trouble of losing his job, but that doesn’t mean that he should not be. Hazell wasn’t fired this year. Does anyone believe that Hazell should still be coaching football next year? Anyone? So don’t use that fact that Painter won’t be fired as justification that Painter shouldn’t be fired.

 

[NashvilleBoiler]

Yes, why don’t we keep fooling ourselves and making excuses and diverting attention from the real problem? Let’s keep making fun of other coaches and programs.

I know, let’s make fun of Crean. Put up that video of him tucking in his shirt as R. Smith runs by, or the video or him kissing his son. Let’s call him Clappy and make tanning jokes. Let’s ignore his Final Four (one more than Painter and Keady combined) and this year’s Big Ten title and that he’s still playing and we aren’t.

I know, let’s make fun of Fran at Iowa. He swept us this year and took Siena, (SIENA for God’s sake!) to as many NCAA tourneys in five years there as Painter has gotten Purdue in the last five years. Oh, and Iowa, even with their collapse at the end of the season, made it to the weekend, unlike us.

I know, I saw someone this weekend make fun of Mike Davis, who also has been to one more Final Four than Painter and Keady combined.

I know, let’s bring up all the criminal stuff at Michigan State. It certainly may be true, but doesn’t make me feel any better this weekend as I’ve lost all interest in March Madness AGAIN!!!

I saw one yesterday where someone blamed our collapse the last two years on Francis Cordova (am I spelling her name correctly?). Yes, let’s blame it on the female with the Latino name. How Trumpian of you.

I like the people with the Fire Cal, Izzo, Huggins, Shaka posts on here. They are being sarcastic and ironically pointing out that fans are over reacting to JUST ONE LOSS. That just kills me. If one of those coaches, any of them had finished last in their conference like Painter did two years ago, the year after they lost a CBI game at home, every single one of them would have been fired back then, every one!

Let's use the youth excuse; too many freshmen and sophomores.Yes, seniors are physically more mature and therefore better than freshmen, but I used to coach high school basketball, and by sectional time, after 20 or 21 games, I didn't consider my freshmen or sophomores as young, I thought of them as experienced varsity players. Counting exhibition games, Purdue had played something like 35 or 36 games before Thursday. By then, Purdue had nothing but experienced players. I have always thought the youth excuse by tournament time was silly.

I was really angry with the people who came on here blaming the loss on the “Same ole Lazy A. J. Hammons.” My God! If it weren’t for a couple amazing block in OT and down the stretch, we would never have made it to the 2nd OT. Also, the center is a dependent position. People have to throw him the ball. That our players went away from feeding the post with the game on the line, as they have in other losses this year, then that problem was never solved and corrected in practice; that is just bad teaching, which is 100% on the coach.

Let’s blame our guards. Forget that we had different guards (including Lewis Jackson, who was mentioned in the Doyal article as a difference maker) last year or back when we blew a late lead down the stretch against Kansas about five years ago. Different guards, but the same results when we quit attacking the defense with the lead and are trying to waste out the shot clock; we either get a terrible shot and come up empty, or as happened to Purdue this Thursday and to Lewis Jackson against Kansas, the guard is trapped out on the perimeter and the ball is stolen. How many game must be lost on this strategy before a coach learns that it just doesn’t work, how many? Will Painter learn after it has cost him in our last three NCAA appearances?

Let’s blame that we’re terrible against the press on the guards; we’ve been bitchin’ about our guards on this forum all year. Our guards were more than adequate with our front line to get to a Final Four this year, more than adequate. I feel sorry that they’ve been thrown under the bus by everyone including Painter somewhat in the Doyal article. Please listen to this: Unless it’s a total surprise, THE PRESS SHOULD NEVER WORK, NEVER! That’s why you don’t see it in the NBA unless it’s a desperate situation. All you have to do is not panic, reverse the ball, go up the other sideline, then attack the press for layups or dunks. Why can’t we learn that in practice? In practice, do what high school coaches do; practice against seven guys pressing until they learn and run them til they puke if they make a mistake. That Painter can’t teach how to break a press is just plain bad teaching in practice, bad coaching!! We were terrible against the press last year (Cost us the Minnesota game). How can a coach not fix this in over a year of practices and summer workouts? How?

Let’s go with the excuse Painter said to Doyal, we need that one player who can break down a defense. Painter always finds a way to blame the players. Accordng to Haas, I sure repeating Painter comments to the team after the game, we, the players, lost focus, or what he said to Doyal: we need better players. That is total BS: We had good enough players to get a 17 point lead on Iowa at home, a big lead at Maryland, a huge lead then blow it against Michigan State at home, and get a lead against Kansas five years ago, or a 7 point lead against Cincy with 50 seconds to go, or get a 13 point lead with 3 and1/2 minutes on Thursday. Those lost leads and losses are on the coach, who clearly does a poor job with late games X’s and O’s, holding the ball and quitting to attack, and who does a terrible job of teaching how to beat a press and pressure defense.

No, I am not over-reacting to the loss Thursday; I am reacting to all the BS excuses I see on this board.

I am the guy who since we lost at home in the CBI three years ago has said Painter should be on the hot seat. I am the guy who repeated that claim two years ago after Northwestern came into Mackey and controlled a game that put Purdue in sole possession of last place. A Purdue program, that when Painter took over, led the Big Ten in total wins.

Yes, I am mad and upset that for the fourth year in a row, the best event in sports, March Madness, is ruined for me. Am I really the only Purdue fan whom March Madness is now ruined for?

One more point, all you Painter apologists and Doyal are correct: Painter is not in any trouble of losing his job, but that doesn’t mean that he should not be. Hazell wasn’t fired this year. Does anyone believe that Hazell should still be coaching football next year? Anyone? So don’t use that fact that Painter won’t be fired as justification that Painter shouldn’t be fired.

Boom.

 

[dal9]

great post, agree with everything, except I do blame the guards a little bit...PJ's final TO

 

[cprh9u]

I've seen 3-4 posters who post all the time say "If CMP doesn't perform next year, then he should be gone" or some variation of that. That's become my favorite excuse as this is about the 3rd year in a row that the same posters have said that, and Painter has no NCAA wins or B1G championships in that time, yet somehow, they think next year is when they will hold him accountable. Even if we finish middle of the B1G and without an NCAA appearance or win next year, those same posters will again want another year to see what happens.

11 years in, 2 S16's and 1 B1G co-championship. I think we know what we have in CMP.

 

[boiler62]

Yes, why don’t we keep fooling ourselves and making excuses and diverting attention from the real problem? Let’s keep making fun of other coaches and programs.

I know, let’s make fun of Crean. Put up that video of him tucking in his shirt as R. Smith runs by, or the video or him kissing his son. Let’s call him Clappy and make tanning jokes. Let’s ignore his Final Four (one more than Painter and Keady combined) and this year’s Big Ten title and that he’s still playing and we aren’t.

I know, let’s make fun of Fran at Iowa. He swept us this year and took Siena, (SIENA for God’s sake!) to as many NCAA tourneys in five years there as Painter has gotten Purdue in the last five years. Oh, and Iowa, even with their collapse at the end of the season, made it to the weekend, unlike us.

I know, I saw someone this weekend make fun of Mike Davis, who also has been to one more Final Four than Painter and Keady combined.

I know, let’s bring up all the criminal stuff at Michigan State. It certainly may be true, but doesn’t make me feel any better this weekend as I’ve lost all interest in March Madness AGAIN!!!

I saw one yesterday where someone blamed our collapse the last two years on Francis Cordova (am I spelling her name correctly?). Yes, let’s blame it on the female with the Latino name. How Trumpian of you.

I like the people with the Fire Cal, Izzo, Huggins, Shaka posts on here. They are being sarcastic and ironically pointing out that fans are over reacting to JUST ONE LOSS. That just kills me. If one of those coaches, any of them had finished last in their conference like Painter did two years ago, the year after they lost a CBI game at home, every single one of them would have been fired back then, every one!

Let's use the youth excuse; too many freshmen and sophomores.Yes, seniors are physically more mature and therefore better than freshmen, but I used to coach high school basketball, and by sectional time, after 20 or 21 games, I didn't consider my freshmen or sophomores as young, I thought of them as experienced varsity players. Counting exhibition games, Purdue had played something like 35 or 36 games before Thursday. By then, Purdue had nothing but experienced players. I have always thought the youth excuse by tournament time was silly.

I was really angry with the people who came on here blaming the loss on the “Same ole Lazy A. J. Hammons.” My God! If it weren’t for a couple amazing block in OT and down the stretch, we would never have made it to the 2nd OT. Also, the center is a dependent position. People have to throw him the ball. That our players went away from feeding the post with the game on the line, as they have in other losses this year, then that problem was never solved and corrected in practice; that is just bad teaching, which is 100% on the coach.

Let’s blame our guards. Forget that we had different guards (including Lewis Jackson, who was mentioned in the Doyal article as a difference maker) last year or back when we blew a late lead down the stretch against Kansas about five years ago. Different guards, but the same results when we quit attacking the defense with the lead and are trying to waste out the shot clock; we either get a terrible shot and come up empty, or as happened to Purdue this Thursday and to Lewis Jackson against Kansas, the guard is trapped out on the perimeter and the ball is stolen. How many game must be lost on this strategy before a coach learns that it just doesn’t work, how many? Will Painter learn after it has cost him in our last three NCAA appearances?

Let’s blame that we’re terrible against the press on the guards; we’ve been bitchin’ about our guards on this forum all year. Our guards were more than adequate with our front line to get to a Final Four this year, more than adequate. I feel sorry that they’ve been thrown under the bus by everyone including Painter somewhat in the Doyal article. Please listen to this: Unless it’s a total surprise, THE PRESS SHOULD NEVER WORK, NEVER! That’s why you don’t see it in the NBA unless it’s a desperate situation. All you have to do is not panic, reverse the ball, go up the other sideline, then attack the press for layups or dunks. Why can’t we learn that in practice? In practice, do what high school coaches do; practice against seven guys pressing until they learn and run them til they puke if they make a mistake. That Painter can’t teach how to break a press is just plain bad teaching in practice, bad coaching!! We were terrible against the press last year (Cost us the Minnesota game). How can a coach not fix this in over a year of practices and summer workouts? How?

Let’s go with the excuse Painter said to Doyal, we need that one player who can break down a defense. Painter always finds a way to blame the players. Accordng to Haas, I sure repeating Painter comments to the team after the game, we, the players, lost focus, or what he said to Doyal: we need better players. That is total BS: We had good enough players to get a 17 point lead on Iowa at home, a big lead at Maryland, a huge lead then blow it against Michigan State at home, and get a lead against Kansas five years ago, or a 7 point lead against Cincy with 50 seconds to go, or get a 13 point lead with 3 and1/2 minutes on Thursday. Those lost leads and losses are on the coach, who clearly does a poor job with late games X’s and O’s, holding the ball and quitting to attack, and who does a terrible job of teaching how to beat a press and pressure defense.

No, I am not over-reacting to the loss Thursday; I am reacting to all the BS excuses I see on this board.

I am the guy who since we lost at home in the CBI three years ago has said Painter should be on the hot seat. I am the guy who repeated that claim two years ago after Northwestern came into Mackey and controlled a game that put Purdue in sole possession of last place. A Purdue program, that when Painter took over, led the Big Ten in total wins.

Yes, I am mad and upset that for the fourth year in a row, the best event in sports, March Madness, is ruined for me. Am I really the only Purdue fan whom March Madness is now ruined for?

One more point, all you Painter apologists and Doyal are correct: Painter is not in any trouble of losing his job, but that doesn’t mean that he should not be. Hazell wasn’t fired this year. Does anyone believe that Hazell should still be coaching football next year? Anyone? So don’t use that fact that Painter won’t be fired as justification that Painter shouldn’t be fired.

We are so disorganized against the press it looks like we don't practice against it!

 

[09vdb]

The OP has made one of the most accurate and complete assessments I have seen on this site in quite some time. Bravo!

 

[slidde01]

Yes, why don’t we keep fooling ourselves and making excuses and diverting attention from the real problem? Let’s keep making fun of other coaches and programs.

I know, let’s make fun of Crean. Put up that video of him tucking in his shirt as R. Smith runs by, or the video or him kissing his son. Let’s call him Clappy and make tanning jokes. Let’s ignore his Final Four (one more than Painter and Keady combined) and this year’s Big Ten title and that he’s still playing and we aren’t.

I know, let’s make fun of Fran at Iowa. He swept us this year and took Siena, (SIENA for God’s sake!) to as many NCAA tourneys in five years there as Painter has gotten Purdue in the last five years. Oh, and Iowa, even with their collapse at the end of the season, made it to the weekend, unlike us.

I know, I saw someone this weekend make fun of Mike Davis, who also has been to one more Final Four than Painter and Keady combined.

I know, let’s bring up all the criminal stuff at Michigan State. It certainly may be true, but doesn’t make me feel any better this weekend as I’ve lost all interest in March Madness AGAIN!!!

I saw one yesterday where someone blamed our collapse the last two years on Francis Cordova (am I spelling her name correctly?). Yes, let’s blame it on the female with the Latino name. How Trumpian of you.

I like the people with the Fire Cal, Izzo, Huggins, Shaka posts on here. They are being sarcastic and ironically pointing out that fans are over reacting to JUST ONE LOSS. That just kills me. If one of those coaches, any of them had finished last in their conference like Painter did two years ago, the year after they lost a CBI game at home, every single one of them would have been fired back then, every one!

Let's use the youth excuse; too many freshmen and sophomores.Yes, seniors are physically more mature and therefore better than freshmen, but I used to coach high school basketball, and by sectional time, after 20 or 21 games, I didn't consider my freshmen or sophomores as young, I thought of them as experienced varsity players. Counting exhibition games, Purdue had played something like 35 or 36 games before Thursday. By then, Purdue had nothing but experienced players. I have always thought the youth excuse by tournament time was silly.

I was really angry with the people who came on here blaming the loss on the “Same ole Lazy A. J. Hammons.” My God! If it weren’t for a couple amazing block in OT and down the stretch, we would never have made it to the 2nd OT. Also, the center is a dependent position. People have to throw him the ball. That our players went away from feeding the post with the game on the line, as they have in other losses this year, then that problem was never solved and corrected in practice; that is just bad teaching, which is 100% on the coach.

Let’s blame our guards. Forget that we had different guards (including Lewis Jackson, who was mentioned in the Doyal article as a difference maker) last year or back when we blew a late lead down the stretch against Kansas about five years ago. Different guards, but the same results when we quit attacking the defense with the lead and are trying to waste out the shot clock; we either get a terrible shot and come up empty, or as happened to Purdue this Thursday and to Lewis Jackson against Kansas, the guard is trapped out on the perimeter and the ball is stolen. How many game must be lost on this strategy before a coach learns that it just doesn’t work, how many? Will Painter learn after it has cost him in our last three NCAA appearances?

Let’s blame that we’re terrible against the press on the guards; we’ve been bitchin’ about our guards on this forum all year. Our guards were more than adequate with our front line to get to a Final Four this year, more than adequate. I feel sorry that they’ve been thrown under the bus by everyone including Painter somewhat in the Doyal article. Please listen to this: Unless it’s a total surprise, THE PRESS SHOULD NEVER WORK, NEVER! That’s why you don’t see it in the NBA unless it’s a desperate situation. All you have to do is not panic, reverse the ball, go up the other sideline, then attack the press for layups or dunks. Why can’t we learn that in practice? In practice, do what high school coaches do; practice against seven guys pressing until they learn and run them til they puke if they make a mistake. That Painter can’t teach how to break a press is just plain bad teaching in practice, bad coaching!! We were terrible against the press last year (Cost us the Minnesota game). How can a coach not fix this in over a year of practices and summer workouts? How?

Let’s go with the excuse Painter said to Doyal, we need that one player who can break down a defense. Painter always finds a way to blame the players. Accordng to Haas, I sure repeating Painter comments to the team after the game, we, the players, lost focus, or what he said to Doyal: we need better players. That is total BS: We had good enough players to get a 17 point lead on Iowa at home, a big lead at Maryland, a huge lead then blow it against Michigan State at home, and get a lead against Kansas five years ago, or a 7 point lead against Cincy with 50 seconds to go, or get a 13 point lead with 3 and1/2 minutes on Thursday. Those lost leads and losses are on the coach, who clearly does a poor job with late games X’s and O’s, holding the ball and quitting to attack, and who does a terrible job of teaching how to beat a press and pressure defense.

No, I am not over-reacting to the loss Thursday; I am reacting to all the BS excuses I see on this board.

I am the guy who since we lost at home in the CBI three years ago has said Painter should be on the hot seat. I am the guy who repeated that claim two years ago after Northwestern came into Mackey and controlled a game that put Purdue in sole possession of last place. A Purdue program, that when Painter took over, led the Big Ten in total wins.

Yes, I am mad and upset that for the fourth year in a row, the best event in sports, March Madness, is ruined for me. Am I really the only Purdue fan whom March Madness is now ruined for?

One more point, all you Painter apologists and Doyal are correct: Painter is not in any trouble of losing his job, but that doesn’t mean that he should not be. Hazell wasn’t fired this year. Does anyone believe that Hazell should still be coaching football next year? Anyone? So don’t use that fact that Painter won’t be fired as justification that Painter shouldn’t be fired.

What a fool...

 

[walstib816]

Yes, why don’t we keep fooling ourselves and making excuses and diverting attention from the real problem? Let’s keep making fun of other coaches and programs.

I know, let’s make fun of Crean. Put up that video of him tucking in his shirt as R. Smith runs by, or the video or him kissing his son. Let’s call him Clappy and make tanning jokes. Let’s ignore his Final Four (one more than Painter and Keady combined) and this year’s Big Ten title and that he’s still playing and we aren’t.

I know, let’s make fun of Fran at Iowa. He swept us this year and took Siena, (SIENA for God’s sake!) to as many NCAA tourneys in five years there as Painter has gotten Purdue in the last five years. Oh, and Iowa, even with their collapse at the end of the season, made it to the weekend, unlike us.

I know, I saw someone this weekend make fun of Mike Davis, who also has been to one more Final Four than Painter and Keady combined.

I know, let’s bring up all the criminal stuff at Michigan State. It certainly may be true, but doesn’t make me feel any better this weekend as I’ve lost all interest in March Madness AGAIN!!!

I saw one yesterday where someone blamed our collapse the last two years on Francis Cordova (am I spelling her name correctly?). Yes, let’s blame it on the female with the Latino name. How Trumpian of you.

I like the people with the Fire Cal, Izzo, Huggins, Shaka posts on here. They are being sarcastic and ironically pointing out that fans are over reacting to JUST ONE LOSS. That just kills me. If one of those coaches, any of them had finished last in their conference like Painter did two years ago, the year after they lost a CBI game at home, every single one of them would have been fired back then, every one!

Let's use the youth excuse; too many freshmen and sophomores.Yes, seniors are physically more mature and therefore better than freshmen, but I used to coach high school basketball, and by sectional time, after 20 or 21 games, I didn't consider my freshmen or sophomores as young, I thought of them as experienced varsity players. Counting exhibition games, Purdue had played something like 35 or 36 games before Thursday. By then, Purdue had nothing but experienced players. I have always thought the youth excuse by tournament time was silly.

I was really angry with the people who came on here blaming the loss on the “Same ole Lazy A. J. Hammons.” My God! If it weren’t for a couple amazing block in OT and down the stretch, we would never have made it to the 2nd OT. Also, the center is a dependent position. People have to throw him the ball. That our players went away from feeding the post with the game on the line, as they have in other losses this year, then that problem was never solved and corrected in practice; that is just bad teaching, which is 100% on the coach.

Let’s blame our guards. Forget that we had different guards (including Lewis Jackson, who was mentioned in the Doyal article as a difference maker) last year or back when we blew a late lead down the stretch against Kansas about five years ago. Different guards, but the same results when we quit attacking the defense with the lead and are trying to waste out the shot clock; we either get a terrible shot and come up empty, or as happened to Purdue this Thursday and to Lewis Jackson against Kansas, the guard is trapped out on the perimeter and the ball is stolen. How many game must be lost on this strategy before a coach learns that it just doesn’t work, how many? Will Painter learn after it has cost him in our last three NCAA appearances?

Let’s blame that we’re terrible against the press on the guards; we’ve been bitchin’ about our guards on this forum all year. Our guards were more than adequate with our front line to get to a Final Four this year, more than adequate. I feel sorry that they’ve been thrown under the bus by everyone including Painter somewhat in the Doyal article. Please listen to this: Unless it’s a total surprise, THE PRESS SHOULD NEVER WORK, NEVER! That’s why you don’t see it in the NBA unless it’s a desperate situation. All you have to do is not panic, reverse the ball, go up the other sideline, then attack the press for layups or dunks. Why can’t we learn that in practice? In practice, do what high school coaches do; practice against seven guys pressing until they learn and run them til they puke if they make a mistake. That Painter can’t teach how to break a press is just plain bad teaching in practice, bad coaching!! We were terrible against the press last year (Cost us the Minnesota game). How can a coach not fix this in over a year of practices and summer workouts? How?

Let’s go with the excuse Painter said to Doyal, we need that one player who can break down a defense. Painter always finds a way to blame the players. Accordng to Haas, I sure repeating Painter comments to the team after the game, we, the players, lost focus, or what he said to Doyal: we need better players. That is total BS: We had good enough players to get a 17 point lead on Iowa at home, a big lead at Maryland, a huge lead then blow it against Michigan State at home, and get a lead against Kansas five years ago, or a 7 point lead against Cincy with 50 seconds to go, or get a 13 point lead with 3 and1/2 minutes on Thursday. Those lost leads and losses are on the coach, who clearly does a poor job with late games X’s and O’s, holding the ball and quitting to attack, and who does a terrible job of teaching how to beat a press and pressure defense.

No, I am not over-reacting to the loss Thursday; I am reacting to all the BS excuses I see on this board.

I am the guy who since we lost at home in the CBI three years ago has said Painter should be on the hot seat. I am the guy who repeated that claim two years ago after Northwestern came into Mackey and controlled a game that put Purdue in sole possession of last place. A Purdue program, that when Painter took over, led the Big Ten in total wins.

Yes, I am mad and upset that for the fourth year in a row, the best event in sports, March Madness, is ruined for me. Am I really the only Purdue fan whom March Madness is now ruined for?

One more point, all you Painter apologists and Doyal are correct: Painter is not in any trouble of losing his job, but that doesn’t mean that he should not be. Hazell wasn’t fired this year. Does anyone believe that Hazell should still be coaching football next year? Anyone? So don’t use that fact that Painter won’t be fired as justification that Painter shouldn’t be fired.

Hey Vile,

 

[walstib816]

There are a lot of us out here who think the one main issue with Purdue is the coach....who is at best a mid major type of coach.

I feel off the Painter bandwagon when he could not recruit Gary Harris to Purdue, a kid who grew up wearing gold and black..

Keep it up the majority of this board believe since Painter played for Keady he cannot be the problem....I do not think they have ever looked at the Gene coaching tree in regards to NCAA success....it is sad indeed..

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

poking fun at Crean is just that, only for fun, and others, who have excuses, its just talk, what's the big deal, and if one person or a couple say something, doesn't mean "everyone" thinks that way, Purdue fans just had their bubble popped and are letting out frustration, just my thoughts

 

[TJBoiler]

Yes, why don’t we keep fooling ourselves and making excuses and diverting attention from the real problem? Let’s keep making fun of other coaches and programs.

I know, let’s make fun of Crean. Put up that video of him tucking in his shirt as R. Smith runs by, or the video or him kissing his son. Let’s call him Clappy and make tanning jokes. Let’s ignore his Final Four (one more than Painter and Keady combined) and this year’s Big Ten title and that he’s still playing and we aren’t.

I know, let’s make fun of Fran at Iowa. He swept us this year and took Siena, (SIENA for God’s sake!) to as many NCAA tourneys in five years there as Painter has gotten Purdue in the last five years. Oh, and Iowa, even with their collapse at the end of the season, made it to the weekend, unlike us.

I know, I saw someone this weekend make fun of Mike Davis, who also has been to one more Final Four than Painter and Keady combined.

I know, let’s bring up all the criminal stuff at Michigan State. It certainly may be true, but doesn’t make me feel any better this weekend as I’ve lost all interest in March Madness AGAIN!!!

I saw one yesterday where someone blamed our collapse the last two years on Francis Cordova (am I spelling her name correctly?). Yes, let’s blame it on the female with the Latino name. How Trumpian of you.

I like the people with the Fire Cal, Izzo, Huggins, Shaka posts on here. They are being sarcastic and ironically pointing out that fans are over reacting to JUST ONE LOSS. That just kills me. If one of those coaches, any of them had finished last in their conference like Painter did two years ago, the year after they lost a CBI game at home, every single one of them would have been fired back then, every one!

Let's use the youth excuse; too many freshmen and sophomores.Yes, seniors are physically more mature and therefore better than freshmen, but I used to coach high school basketball, and by sectional time, after 20 or 21 games, I didn't consider my freshmen or sophomores as young, I thought of them as experienced varsity players. Counting exhibition games, Purdue had played something like 35 or 36 games before Thursday. By then, Purdue had nothing but experienced players. I have always thought the youth excuse by tournament time was silly.

I was really angry with the people who came on here blaming the loss on the “Same ole Lazy A. J. Hammons.” My God! If it weren’t for a couple amazing block in OT and down the stretch, we would never have made it to the 2nd OT. Also, the center is a dependent position. People have to throw him the ball. That our players went away from feeding the post with the game on the line, as they have in other losses this year, then that problem was never solved and corrected in practice; that is just bad teaching, which is 100% on the coach.

Let’s blame our guards. Forget that we had different guards (including Lewis Jackson, who was mentioned in the Doyal article as a difference maker) last year or back when we blew a late lead down the stretch against Kansas about five years ago. Different guards, but the same results when we quit attacking the defense with the lead and are trying to waste out the shot clock; we either get a terrible shot and come up empty, or as happened to Purdue this Thursday and to Lewis Jackson against Kansas, the guard is trapped out on the perimeter and the ball is stolen. How many game must be lost on this strategy before a coach learns that it just doesn’t work, how many? Will Painter learn after it has cost him in our last three NCAA appearances?

Let’s blame that we’re terrible against the press on the guards; we’ve been bitchin’ about our guards on this forum all year. Our guards were more than adequate with our front line to get to a Final Four this year, more than adequate. I feel sorry that they’ve been thrown under the bus by everyone including Painter somewhat in the Doyal article. Please listen to this: Unless it’s a total surprise, THE PRESS SHOULD NEVER WORK, NEVER! That’s why you don’t see it in the NBA unless it’s a desperate situation. All you have to do is not panic, reverse the ball, go up the other sideline, then attack the press for layups or dunks. Why can’t we learn that in practice? In practice, do what high school coaches do; practice against seven guys pressing until they learn and run them til they puke if they make a mistake. That Painter can’t teach how to break a press is just plain bad teaching in practice, bad coaching!! We were terrible against the press last year (Cost us the Minnesota game). How can a coach not fix this in over a year of practices and summer workouts? How?

Let’s go with the excuse Painter said to Doyal, we need that one player who can break down a defense. Painter always finds a way to blame the players. Accordng to Haas, I sure repeating Painter comments to the team after the game, we, the players, lost focus, or what he said to Doyal: we need better players. That is total BS: We had good enough players to get a 17 point lead on Iowa at home, a big lead at Maryland, a huge lead then blow it against Michigan State at home, and get a lead against Kansas five years ago, or a 7 point lead against Cincy with 50 seconds to go, or get a 13 point lead with 3 and1/2 minutes on Thursday. Those lost leads and losses are on the coach, who clearly does a poor job with late games X’s and O’s, holding the ball and quitting to attack, and who does a terrible job of teaching how to beat a press and pressure defense.

No, I am not over-reacting to the loss Thursday; I am reacting to all the BS excuses I see on this board.

I am the guy who since we lost at home in the CBI three years ago has said Painter should be on the hot seat. I am the guy who repeated that claim two years ago after Northwestern came into Mackey and controlled a game that put Purdue in sole possession of last place. A Purdue program, that when Painter took over, led the Big Ten in total wins.

Yes, I am mad and upset that for the fourth year in a row, the best event in sports, March Madness, is ruined for me. Am I really the only Purdue fan whom March Madness is now ruined for?

One more point, all you Painter apologists and Doyal are correct: Painter is not in any trouble of losing his job, but that doesn’t mean that he should not be. Hazell wasn’t fired this year. Does anyone believe that Hazell should still be coaching football next year? Anyone? So don’t use that fact that Painter won’t be fired as justification that Painter shouldn’t be fired.

First I am not one of those fans who makes fun of other opponents. Secondly our starting guards were weak. Hit your open shots and Purdue wins. At least hit some open shots. BTW I watched that Kansas game you mentioned. In that game Hummel was hot in 1st half. Purdue played him at center. That Purdue team had no Center that year. Kansas went all the way to the Final game. In fact what happened was Bill Self took out a NBA 1st rd draft pick at center and went small matching up to Purdue in the second half and slowly came back taking the lead late. But that 2012 team had Lewis Jackson and Hummel and no inside game whatsoever. Go back to 2009 when Purdue beat a very good Wash St team to get to the sweet 16. Purdue made plays down the stretch to win that game. In fact Painter until last year had won 6 straight first rd games in the tournament from 07-12.

Now I am not defending the mistakes Painter made in that Ark game. But here is the deal. Painter has 3 years left on his contract. He should have enough talent to be good for at least the next 2 years... If he doesn't get it done then he will likely be gone after year 2. You don't fire a coach after losing a NCAA Tournament game. If it frustrates you soo much vilehoopster. Then DON'T Watch Purdue play for the next 2-3 years until Painter is gone. Don't go to the games and don't watch.

 

[TJBoiler]

I've seen 3-4 posters who post all the time say "If CMP doesn't perform next year, then he should be gone" or some variation of that. That's become my favorite excuse as this is about the 3rd year in a row that the same posters have said that, and Painter has no NCAA wins or B1G championships in that time, yet somehow, they think next year is when they will hold him accountable. Even if we finish middle of the B1G and without an NCAA appearance or win next year, those same posters will again want another year to see what happens.

11 years in, 2 S16's and 1 B1G co-championship. I think we know what we have in CMP.

Did you go read my post comparing Keady and Painter after 11 years. Painter is 8-8 in tournament for Purdue. Keady was 5-8.

You guys are freaking hilarious. You act like Purdue is Duke or Kansas. Look at the budget compared to those schools. Painter has been to the tourney 8 out of his 11 years at Purdue. Ask Northwestern or Illinois what that is like. What EXACTLY is your betch? That they blew leads and got beat 2 years in a roll in the NCAA? It happens ok? Why aren't you screaming at Gene Keady for losing in 94 with Glenn Robinson and 2000 to Wisconsin in the elite 8? The Wisconsin loss was when I lost faith in Keady. Considering he lost a senior dominated team that was a higher seed and a trip to Indy for Final 4.

Purdue has good talent coming back in 2016. The NCAA is a single elimination tournament that has become a national event. With huge pressure on 18-20 year kids to perform. AND Coaches.... The Purdue team this year even though good. It never felt like the team fit together properly. Painter recruited the kids on the team right now. He got #1 and #2 MR BBall from Indiana last year and has that interesting Carsen Edwards coming in. BUT FIRE PAINTER NOW. How do you know a bunch of these kids won't transfer? Do you enjoy these games or just sit there ranting that Painter is coaching the team? Pointing out every mistake. Hey if Cline hits that FT in OT Purdue likely wins.

 

[TC4THREE]

Go back to 2009 when Purdue beat a very good Wash St team to get to the sweet 16.

Um. This never happened..... Think you meant Washington.

 

[BoilerDeac]

Yes, why don’t we keep fooling ourselves and making excuses and diverting attention from the real problem? Let’s keep making fun of other coaches and programs.

I know, let’s make fun of Crean. Put up that video of him tucking in his shirt as R. Smith runs by, or the video or him kissing his son. Let’s call him Clappy and make tanning jokes. Let’s ignore his Final Four (one more than Painter and Keady combined) and this year’s Big Ten title and that he’s still playing and we aren’t.

I know, let’s make fun of Fran at Iowa. He swept us this year and took Siena, (SIENA for God’s sake!) to as many NCAA tourneys in five years there as Painter has gotten Purdue in the last five years. Oh, and Iowa, even with their collapse at the end of the season, made it to the weekend, unlike us.

I know, I saw someone this weekend make fun of Mike Davis, who also has been to one more Final Four than Painter and Keady combined.

I know, let’s bring up all the criminal stuff at Michigan State. It certainly may be true, but doesn’t make me feel any better this weekend as I’ve lost all interest in March Madness AGAIN!!!

I saw one yesterday where someone blamed our collapse the last two years on Francis Cordova (am I spelling her name correctly?). Yes, let’s blame it on the female with the Latino name. How Trumpian of you.

I like the people with the Fire Cal, Izzo, Huggins, Shaka posts on here. They are being sarcastic and ironically pointing out that fans are over reacting to JUST ONE LOSS. That just kills me. If one of those coaches, any of them had finished last in their conference like Painter did two years ago, the year after they lost a CBI game at home, every single one of them would have been fired back then, every one!

Let's use the youth excuse; too many freshmen and sophomores.Yes, seniors are physically more mature and therefore better than freshmen, but I used to coach high school basketball, and by sectional time, after 20 or 21 games, I didn't consider my freshmen or sophomores as young, I thought of them as experienced varsity players. Counting exhibition games, Purdue had played something like 35 or 36 games before Thursday. By then, Purdue had nothing but experienced players. I have always thought the youth excuse by tournament time was silly.

I was really angry with the people who came on here blaming the loss on the “Same ole Lazy A. J. Hammons.” My God! If it weren’t for a couple amazing block in OT and down the stretch, we would never have made it to the 2nd OT. Also, the center is a dependent position. People have to throw him the ball. That our players went away from feeding the post with the game on the line, as they have in other losses this year, then that problem was never solved and corrected in practice; that is just bad teaching, which is 100% on the coach.

Let’s blame our guards. Forget that we had different guards (including Lewis Jackson, who was mentioned in the Doyal article as a difference maker) last year or back when we blew a late lead down the stretch against Kansas about five years ago. Different guards, but the same results when we quit attacking the defense with the lead and are trying to waste out the shot clock; we either get a terrible shot and come up empty, or as happened to Purdue this Thursday and to Lewis Jackson against Kansas, the guard is trapped out on the perimeter and the ball is stolen. How many game must be lost on this strategy before a coach learns that it just doesn’t work, how many? Will Painter learn after it has cost him in our last three NCAA appearances?

Let’s blame that we’re terrible against the press on the guards; we’ve been bitchin’ about our guards on this forum all year. Our guards were more than adequate with our front line to get to a Final Four this year, more than adequate. I feel sorry that they’ve been thrown under the bus by everyone including Painter somewhat in the Doyal article. Please listen to this: Unless it’s a total surprise, THE PRESS SHOULD NEVER WORK, NEVER! That’s why you don’t see it in the NBA unless it’s a desperate situation. All you have to do is not panic, reverse the ball, go up the other sideline, then attack the press for layups or dunks. Why can’t we learn that in practice? In practice, do what high school coaches do; practice against seven guys pressing until they learn and run them til they puke if they make a mistake. That Painter can’t teach how to break a press is just plain bad teaching in practice, bad coaching!! We were terrible against the press last year (Cost us the Minnesota game). How can a coach not fix this in over a year of practices and summer workouts? How?

Let’s go with the excuse Painter said to Doyal, we need that one player who can break down a defense. Painter always finds a way to blame the players. Accordng to Haas, I sure repeating Painter comments to the team after the game, we, the players, lost focus, or what he said to Doyal: we need better players. That is total BS: We had good enough players to get a 17 point lead on Iowa at home, a big lead at Maryland, a huge lead then blow it against Michigan State at home, and get a lead against Kansas five years ago, or a 7 point lead against Cincy with 50 seconds to go, or get a 13 point lead with 3 and1/2 minutes on Thursday. Those lost leads and losses are on the coach, who clearly does a poor job with late games X’s and O’s, holding the ball and quitting to attack, and who does a terrible job of teaching how to beat a press and pressure defense.

No, I am not over-reacting to the loss Thursday; I am reacting to all the BS excuses I see on this board.

I am the guy who since we lost at home in the CBI three years ago has said Painter should be on the hot seat. I am the guy who repeated that claim two years ago after Northwestern came into Mackey and controlled a game that put Purdue in sole possession of last place. A Purdue program, that when Painter took over, led the Big Ten in total wins.

Yes, I am mad and upset that for the fourth year in a row, the best event in sports, March Madness, is ruined for me. Am I really the only Purdue fan whom March Madness is now ruined for?

One more point, all you Painter apologists and Doyal are correct: Painter is not in any trouble of losing his job, but that doesn’t mean that he should not be. Hazell wasn’t fired this year. Does anyone believe that Hazell should still be coaching football next year? Anyone? So don’t use that fact that Painter won’t be fired as justification that Painter shouldn’t be fired.

+100000000000000000000000000

 

[gelesen]

You poor thing, March Madness has been ruined for you the past 4 years. And it's all one person's fault. If you can't get the coach you want then why don't you switch teams coached by who you think you want. I hope you pick the one out of 351 Div I teams that wins it all. Then your life can be complete. By the way you're not getting that many "likes" on your post.
P.S. Maybe we should look for a coach who averages 22 wins a year or 65%, has 3 championships, 3 coach of the year awards, gold medal form USA 19 team.

 

[vilehoopster]

One thing I want to point out. 8 and 8 in the NCAA's for Painter versus Keady's 5 and 8 does not mean that Painter is better in the tourney than Keady.

Better is the comparative of good; neither one is good.

Painter is merely less bad than Keady in his eleven years, less bad.

 

[cprh9u]

One thing I want to point out. 8 and 8 in the NCAA's for Painter versus Keady's 5 and 8 does not mean that Painter is better in the tourney than Keady.

Better is the comparative of good; neither one is good.

Painter is merely less bad than Keady in his eleven years, less bad.

Keady also had 3 B1G championships in 11 years compared to 1 tie for CMP.

 

[tjreese]

Yes, why don’t we keep fooling ourselves and making excuses and diverting attention from the real problem? Let’s keep making fun of other coaches and programs.

I know, let’s make fun of Crean. Put up that video of him tucking in his shirt as R. Smith runs by, or the video or him kissing his son. Let’s call him Clappy and make tanning jokes. Let’s ignore his Final Four (one more than Painter and Keady combined) and this year’s Big Ten title and that he’s still playing and we aren’t.

I know, let’s make fun of Fran at Iowa. He swept us this year and took Siena, (SIENA for God’s sake!) to as many NCAA tourneys in five years there as Painter has gotten Purdue in the last five years. Oh, and Iowa, even with their collapse at the end of the season, made it to the weekend, unlike us.

I know, I saw someone this weekend make fun of Mike Davis, who also has been to one more Final Four than Painter and Keady combined.

I know, let’s bring up all the criminal stuff at Michigan State. It certainly may be true, but doesn’t make me feel any better this weekend as I’ve lost all interest in March Madness AGAIN!!!

I saw one yesterday where someone blamed our collapse the last two years on Francis Cordova (am I spelling her name correctly?). Yes, let’s blame it on the female with the Latino name. How Trumpian of you.

I like the people with the Fire Cal, Izzo, Huggins, Shaka posts on here. They are being sarcastic and ironically pointing out that fans are over reacting to JUST ONE LOSS. That just kills me. If one of those coaches, any of them had finished last in their conference like Painter did two years ago, the year after they lost a CBI game at home, every single one of them would have been fired back then, every one!

Let's use the youth excuse; too many freshmen and sophomores.Yes, seniors are physically more mature and therefore better than freshmen, but I used to coach high school basketball, and by sectional time, after 20 or 21 games, I didn't consider my freshmen or sophomores as young, I thought of them as experienced varsity players. Counting exhibition games, Purdue had played something like 35 or 36 games before Thursday. By then, Purdue had nothing but experienced players. I have always thought the youth excuse by tournament time was silly.

I was really angry with the people who came on here blaming the loss on the “Same ole Lazy A. J. Hammons.” My God! If it weren’t for a couple amazing block in OT and down the stretch, we would never have made it to the 2nd OT. Also, the center is a dependent position. People have to throw him the ball. That our players went away from feeding the post with the game on the line, as they have in other losses this year, then that problem was never solved and corrected in practice; that is just bad teaching, which is 100% on the coach.

Let’s blame our guards. Forget that we had different guards (including Lewis Jackson, who was mentioned in the Doyal article as a difference maker) last year or back when we blew a late lead down the stretch against Kansas about five years ago. Different guards, but the same results when we quit attacking the defense with the lead and are trying to waste out the shot clock; we either get a terrible shot and come up empty, or as happened to Purdue this Thursday and to Lewis Jackson against Kansas, the guard is trapped out on the perimeter and the ball is stolen. How many game must be lost on this strategy before a coach learns that it just doesn’t work, how many? Will Painter learn after it has cost him in our last three NCAA appearances?

Let’s blame that we’re terrible against the press on the guards; we’ve been bitchin’ about our guards on this forum all year. Our guards were more than adequate with our front line to get to a Final Four this year, more than adequate. I feel sorry that they’ve been thrown under the bus by everyone including Painter somewhat in the Doyal article. Please listen to this: Unless it’s a total surprise, THE PRESS SHOULD NEVER WORK, NEVER! That’s why you don’t see it in the NBA unless it’s a desperate situation. All you have to do is not panic, reverse the ball, go up the other sideline, then attack the press for layups or dunks. Why can’t we learn that in practice? In practice, do what high school coaches do; practice against seven guys pressing until they learn and run them til they puke if they make a mistake. That Painter can’t teach how to break a press is just plain bad teaching in practice, bad coaching!! We were terrible against the press last year (Cost us the Minnesota game). How can a coach not fix this in over a year of practices and summer workouts? How?

Let’s go with the excuse Painter said to Doyal, we need that one player who can break down a defense. Painter always finds a way to blame the players. Accordng to Haas, I sure repeating Painter comments to the team after the game, we, the players, lost focus, or what he said to Doyal: we need better players. That is total BS: We had good enough players to get a 17 point lead on Iowa at home, a big lead at Maryland, a huge lead then blow it against Michigan State at home, and get a lead against Kansas five years ago, or a 7 point lead against Cincy with 50 seconds to go, or get a 13 point lead with 3 and1/2 minutes on Thursday. Those lost leads and losses are on the coach, who clearly does a poor job with late games X’s and O’s, holding the ball and quitting to attack, and who does a terrible job of teaching how to beat a press and pressure defense.

No, I am not over-reacting to the loss Thursday; I am reacting to all the BS excuses I see on this board.

I am the guy who since we lost at home in the CBI three years ago has said Painter should be on the hot seat. I am the guy who repeated that claim two years ago after Northwestern came into Mackey and controlled a game that put Purdue in sole possession of last place. A Purdue program, that when Painter took over, led the Big Ten in total wins.

Yes, I am mad and upset that for the fourth year in a row, the best event in sports, March Madness, is ruined for me. Am I really the only Purdue fan whom March Madness is now ruined for?

One more point, all you Painter apologists and Doyal are correct: Painter is not in any trouble of losing his job, but that doesn’t mean that he should not be. Hazell wasn’t fired this year. Does anyone believe that Hazell should still be coaching football next year? Anyone? So don’t use that fact that Painter won’t be fired as justification that Painter shouldn’t be fired.

okay, those are all fair. I understand you want a coach that is more demonstrative on the court. what else do you want? Why doesn't the team play as well as you think they should? I have no problem at all listening to an opinion in how to attack this or that, or what to play or even how to play. I have no problem discussing recruiting or anything relative to the game as there are many different opinions and some have merit...

 

[vilehoopster]

I like the guy who called me a "fool" and the "love it or leave it" guys who tell me to find a new team to support because they can't attack the logic of my post, so they do the simple thing and attack me as a poster.

Besides my position to fire Painter, what did I say that is not true? Were we not last place in the conference two years ago? Are you happy with the way we handle pressure and the press? Do you disagree that a coach should be able to fix the press problem? Do you disagree and think A. J. and the guards are to blame? Come on, show some intelligence; attack my points and logic, don't just insult the poster because you disagree with him.

 

[FirstDownB]

Epic rant!

However, the comparison to the football program is off base. Firing Painter right now would be more comparable to firing Hope after consecutive bowl games. Which, of course, is how we got Hazell in the first place. Actually, this would be much more drastic than firing Hope, who never even sniffed a conference title. The basketball program has much farther to fall (potentially) with a bad hire vs. the relatively minor improvements required to reach the next level.

Am I 100% convinced those improvements will happen or that the program will not go back to 2012-2014 levels? Nope. But it is pointless to argue the merits of firing Painter simply because there isn't any remote possibility of it happening this year. His seat isn't even warm. No one is firing a coach after a 26 win season and consecutive trips to the NCAA tourney. That is not an issue unique to Purdue. But it is absolutely not going to happen right now with a lame duck AD and a much bigger football problem.

 

[TC4THREE]

I like the guy who called me a "fool" and the "love it or leave it" guys who tell me to find a new team to support because they can't attack the logic of my post, so they do the simple thing and attack me as a poster.

Besides my position to fire Painter, what did I say that is not true? Were we not last place in the conference two years ago? Are you happy with the way we handle pressure and the press? Do you disagree that a coach should be able to fix the press problem? Do you disagree and think A. J. and the guards are to blame? Come on, show some intelligence; attack my points and logic, don't just insult the poster because you disagree with him.

Do you think Chris Mack should replace him?

 

[typeviic]

Yes, why don’t we keep fooling ourselves and making excuses and diverting attention from the real problem? Let’s keep making fun of other coaches and programs.

I know, let’s make fun of Crean. Put up that video of him tucking in his shirt as R. Smith runs by, or the video or him kissing his son. Let’s call him Clappy and make tanning jokes. Let’s ignore his Final Four (one more than Painter and Keady combined) and this year’s Big Ten title and that he’s still playing and we aren’t.

I know, let’s make fun of Fran at Iowa. He swept us this year and took Siena, (SIENA for God’s sake!) to as many NCAA tourneys in five years there as Painter has gotten Purdue in the last five years. Oh, and Iowa, even with their collapse at the end of the season, made it to the weekend, unlike us.

I know, I saw someone this weekend make fun of Mike Davis, who also has been to one more Final Four than Painter and Keady combined.

I know, let’s bring up all the criminal stuff at Michigan State. It certainly may be true, but doesn’t make me feel any better this weekend as I’ve lost all interest in March Madness AGAIN!!!

I saw one yesterday where someone blamed our collapse the last two years on Francis Cordova (am I spelling her name correctly?). Yes, let’s blame it on the female with the Latino name. How Trumpian of you.

I like the people with the Fire Cal, Izzo, Huggins, Shaka posts on here. They are being sarcastic and ironically pointing out that fans are over reacting to JUST ONE LOSS. That just kills me. If one of those coaches, any of them had finished last in their conference like Painter did two years ago, the year after they lost a CBI game at home, every single one of them would have been fired back then, every one!

Let's use the youth excuse; too many freshmen and sophomores.Yes, seniors are physically more mature and therefore better than freshmen, but I used to coach high school basketball, and by sectional time, after 20 or 21 games, I didn't consider my freshmen or sophomores as young, I thought of them as experienced varsity players. Counting exhibition games, Purdue had played something like 35 or 36 games before Thursday. By then, Purdue had nothing but experienced players. I have always thought the youth excuse by tournament time was silly.

I was really angry with the people who came on here blaming the loss on the “Same ole Lazy A. J. Hammons.” My God! If it weren’t for a couple amazing block in OT and down the stretch, we would never have made it to the 2nd OT. Also, the center is a dependent position. People have to throw him the ball. That our players went away from feeding the post with the game on the line, as they have in other losses this year, then that problem was never solved and corrected in practice; that is just bad teaching, which is 100% on the coach.

Let’s blame our guards. Forget that we had different guards (including Lewis Jackson, who was mentioned in the Doyal article as a difference maker) last year or back when we blew a late lead down the stretch against Kansas about five years ago. Different guards, but the same results when we quit attacking the defense with the lead and are trying to waste out the shot clock; we either get a terrible shot and come up empty, or as happened to Purdue this Thursday and to Lewis Jackson against Kansas, the guard is trapped out on the perimeter and the ball is stolen. How many game must be lost on this strategy before a coach learns that it just doesn’t work, how many? Will Painter learn after it has cost him in our last three NCAA appearances?

Let’s blame that we’re terrible against the press on the guards; we’ve been bitchin’ about our guards on this forum all year. Our guards were more than adequate with our front line to get to a Final Four this year, more than adequate. I feel sorry that they’ve been thrown under the bus by everyone including Painter somewhat in the Doyal article. Please listen to this: Unless it’s a total surprise, THE PRESS SHOULD NEVER WORK, NEVER! That’s why you don’t see it in the NBA unless it’s a desperate situation. All you have to do is not panic, reverse the ball, go up the other sideline, then attack the press for layups or dunks. Why can’t we learn that in practice? In practice, do what high school coaches do; practice against seven guys pressing until they learn and run them til they puke if they make a mistake. That Painter can’t teach how to break a press is just plain bad teaching in practice, bad coaching!! We were terrible against the press last year (Cost us the Minnesota game). How can a coach not fix this in over a year of practices and summer workouts? How?

Let’s go with the excuse Painter said to Doyal, we need that one player who can break down a defense. Painter always finds a way to blame the players. Accordng to Haas, I sure repeating Painter comments to the team after the game, we, the players, lost focus, or what he said to Doyal: we need better players. That is total BS: We had good enough players to get a 17 point lead on Iowa at home, a big lead at Maryland, a huge lead then blow it against Michigan State at home, and get a lead against Kansas five years ago, or a 7 point lead against Cincy with 50 seconds to go, or get a 13 point lead with 3 and1/2 minutes on Thursday. Those lost leads and losses are on the coach, who clearly does a poor job with late games X’s and O’s, holding the ball and quitting to attack, and who does a terrible job of teaching how to beat a press and pressure defense.

No, I am not over-reacting to the loss Thursday; I am reacting to all the BS excuses I see on this board.

I am the guy who since we lost at home in the CBI three years ago has said Painter should be on the hot seat. I am the guy who repeated that claim two years ago after Northwestern came into Mackey and controlled a game that put Purdue in sole possession of last place. A Purdue program, that when Painter took over, led the Big Ten in total wins.

Yes, I am mad and upset that for the fourth year in a row, the best event in sports, March Madness, is ruined for me. Am I really the only Purdue fan whom March Madness is now ruined for?

One more point, all you Painter apologists and Doyal are correct: Painter is not in any trouble of losing his job, but that doesn’t mean that he should not be. Hazell wasn’t fired this year. Does anyone believe that Hazell should still be coaching football next year? Anyone? So don’t use that fact that Painter won’t be fired as justification that Painter shouldn’t be fired.

 

[typeviic]

Of coarse we are all upset.
36 year. 36 FREAKING years since we been to the FF.............
In that time, we have seen Minnesota and freaking Wisconsin (a hockey state), of all teams in the Big Ten go to the FF.....

 

[BoilerDeac]

Of coarse we are all upset.
36 year. 36 FREAKING years since we been to the FF.............
In that time, we have seen Minnesota and freaking Wisconsin (a hockey state), of all teams in the Big Ten go to the FF.....

And we have don't have to look any further for the culprit(s)...Keady and Painter...time to get a coach cut from a new, more modern cloth; after all, it's been ALMOST 40 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[boilerart]

The quicker Painter goes the better. People can back him all they want and can these people actually believe we can get better?? Purdue has got to be the easiest team in the world to scout. Painter does the same year in year out. Same offense same defense. I wish I could stop watching them but after watching them for 40 yrs I guess I like the pain. We need a whole new philosophy toward the bball program. We are drier than an old prostitute.

 

[vilehoopster]

Hey, I googled it. Chris Mack is the coach of Xavier.

That's a pretty major school; you kinda can make fun of me for not knowing that. But I didn't watch the Wisconsin/ Xavier game last night because the tourney is ruined for me, AGAIN.

Hey, here's a question. What's Painter's record against Xavier. I know he's never beaten Xavier, which is really a glorified mid-major. I googled it and couldn't find it. Is Painter 0 and 3 vs. Xavier or O and 4? Or maybe O and 5. I know they knocked us out of the NCAAs one year.

Maybe we should hire the coach of Xavier since Painter can't beat them.

Thanks for giving me an opportunity to point out another weakness in Painter's resume. Hey, bring up something about Butler.

 

[M51]

Yes, why don’t we keep fooling ourselves and making excuses and diverting attention from the real problem? Let’s keep making fun of other coaches and programs.

I know, let’s make fun of Crean. Put up that video of him tucking in his shirt as R. Smith runs by, or the video or him kissing his son. Let’s call him Clappy and make tanning jokes. Let’s ignore his Final Four (one more than Painter and Keady combined) and this year’s Big Ten title and that he’s still playing and we aren’t.

I know, let’s make fun of Fran at Iowa. He swept us this year and took Siena, (SIENA for God’s sake!) to as many NCAA tourneys in five years there as Painter has gotten Purdue in the last five years. Oh, and Iowa, even with their collapse at the end of the season, made it to the weekend, unlike us.

I know, I saw someone this weekend make fun of Mike Davis, who also has been to one more Final Four than Painter and Keady combined.

I know, let’s bring up all the criminal stuff at Michigan State. It certainly may be true, but doesn’t make me feel any better this weekend as I’ve lost all interest in March Madness AGAIN!!!

I saw one yesterday where someone blamed our collapse the last two years on Francis Cordova (am I spelling her name correctly?). Yes, let’s blame it on the female with the Latino name. How Trumpian of you.

I like the people with the Fire Cal, Izzo, Huggins, Shaka posts on here. They are being sarcastic and ironically pointing out that fans are over reacting to JUST ONE LOSS. That just kills me. If one of those coaches, any of them had finished last in their conference like Painter did two years ago, the year after they lost a CBI game at home, every single one of them would have been fired back then, every one!

Let's use the youth excuse; too many freshmen and sophomores.Yes, seniors are physically more mature and therefore better than freshmen, but I used to coach high school basketball, and by sectional time, after 20 or 21 games, I didn't consider my freshmen or sophomores as young, I thought of them as experienced varsity players. Counting exhibition games, Purdue had played something like 35 or 36 games before Thursday. By then, Purdue had nothing but experienced players. I have always thought the youth excuse by tournament time was silly.

I was really angry with the people who came on here blaming the loss on the “Same ole Lazy A. J. Hammons.” My God! If it weren’t for a couple amazing block in OT and down the stretch, we would never have made it to the 2nd OT. Also, the center is a dependent position. People have to throw him the ball. That our players went away from feeding the post with the game on the line, as they have in other losses this year, then that problem was never solved and corrected in practice; that is just bad teaching, which is 100% on the coach.

Let’s blame our guards. Forget that we had different guards (including Lewis Jackson, who was mentioned in the Doyal article as a difference maker) last year or back when we blew a late lead down the stretch against Kansas about five years ago. Different guards, but the same results when we quit attacking the defense with the lead and are trying to waste out the shot clock; we either get a terrible shot and come up empty, or as happened to Purdue this Thursday and to Lewis Jackson against Kansas, the guard is trapped out on the perimeter and the ball is stolen. How many game must be lost on this strategy before a coach learns that it just doesn’t work, how many? Will Painter learn after it has cost him in our last three NCAA appearances?

Let’s blame that we’re terrible against the press on the guards; we’ve been bitchin’ about our guards on this forum all year. Our guards were more than adequate with our front line to get to a Final Four this year, more than adequate. I feel sorry that they’ve been thrown under the bus by everyone including Painter somewhat in the Doyal article. Please listen to this: Unless it’s a total surprise, THE PRESS SHOULD NEVER WORK, NEVER! That’s why you don’t see it in the NBA unless it’s a desperate situation. All you have to do is not panic, reverse the ball, go up the other sideline, then attack the press for layups or dunks. Why can’t we learn that in practice? In practice, do what high school coaches do; practice against seven guys pressing until they learn and run them til they puke if they make a mistake. That Painter can’t teach how to break a press is just plain bad teaching in practice, bad coaching!! We were terrible against the press last year (Cost us the Minnesota game). How can a coach not fix this in over a year of practices and summer workouts? How?

Let’s go with the excuse Painter said to Doyal, we need that one player who can break down a defense. Painter always finds a way to blame the players. Accordng to Haas, I sure repeating Painter comments to the team after the game, we, the players, lost focus, or what he said to Doyal: we need better players. That is total BS: We had good enough players to get a 17 point lead on Iowa at home, a big lead at Maryland, a huge lead then blow it against Michigan State at home, and get a lead against Kansas five years ago, or a 7 point lead against Cincy with 50 seconds to go, or get a 13 point lead with 3 and1/2 minutes on Thursday. Those lost leads and losses are on the coach, who clearly does a poor job with late games X’s and O’s, holding the ball and quitting to attack, and who does a terrible job of teaching how to beat a press and pressure defense.

No, I am not over-reacting to the loss Thursday; I am reacting to all the BS excuses I see on this board.

I am the guy who since we lost at home in the CBI three years ago has said Painter should be on the hot seat. I am the guy who repeated that claim two years ago after Northwestern came into Mackey and controlled a game that put Purdue in sole possession of last place. A Purdue program, that when Painter took over, led the Big Ten in total wins.

Yes, I am mad and upset that for the fourth year in a row, the best event in sports, March Madness, is ruined for me. Am I really the only Purdue fan whom March Madness is now ruined for?

One more point, all you Painter apologists and Doyal are correct: Painter is not in any trouble of losing his job, but that doesn’t mean that he should not be. Hazell wasn’t fired this year. Does anyone believe that Hazell should still be coaching football next year? Anyone? So don’t use that fact that Painter won’t be fired as justification that Painter shouldn’t be fired.

Spot on! Painter has been giving us the "have to get faster, stronger, etc bs" since VCU waxed us. I was for Keady to be gone after the Kansas State debacle, but he some how managed to stick around for the Wisconsin missed final four and a few terrible years beyond. Would not be bothered when Painter is gone.

 

[FleeTheScene]

I just don't know who we get if we get rid of Painter. As Neubert says, that's how you get the Richie Pitinos of the world. It's a lot of money to pay him to take a flyer on whoever happens to be available.

 

[PU pit bull]

"A riot is an ugly thing........."

 

[honey_badger]

Wow, has this thread sparked a nerve

 

[cprh9u]

Per Indystar:

Here are examples of what it would cost if he's fired on the last day of the fiscal year.

• June 30, 2016: $7,350,000.

• June 30, 2017: $4,925,000.

• June 30, 2018: $2,475,000.

Painter's no fool, gotta give him that. He can continue mediocrity for another 3 years and there is NO chance he is let go. Purdue wouldn't pay the lowest amount of 2.475 unless there was a scandal (then they might get out of it). He isn't going anywhere, maybe not until he chooses, because "we could do worse" and we flat out settle for less. For comparison, Crean is signed through 2019-2020, and his buyout is $1 mil.

 

[BuilderBob6]

I like the guy who called me a "fool" and the "love it or leave it" guys who tell me to find a new team to support because they can't attack the logic of my post, so they do the simple thing and attack me as a poster.

Besides my position to fire Painter, what did I say that is not true? Were we not last place in the conference two years ago? Are you happy with the way we handle pressure and the press? Do you disagree that a coach should be able to fix the press problem? Do you disagree and think A. J. and the guards are to blame? Come on, show some intelligence; attack my points and logic, don't just insult the poster because you disagree with him.

Do you know how to break a press? If you say it's about teaching the X's and O's you are wrong. It's not about knowing how, hell everyone knows how. You can look it up right now on Google. 1-2-2, 1-3-1......it's all there. You can practice all day and night. But if you 1. Don't have right personnel it can get much harder. You think Yogi has much trouble with the press? Athleticism helps. 2. Execution and decision making. When do you dribble, when do you pass. Make the decision....right now. That's what it's about. Before you say it, it is the coach's responsibility to have the right players. We had two athletes that would have done well if they could execute. But Scott and RJ didn't work out. Again, you can blame Painter that they didn't stay if you like but he recruited the right kind of athlete. The players that we do have are young or are poor decision makers. Ray has a horrible basketball IQ. Pj is small and young, Johnny got out of control. Vince has poor handles.

This team practiced the hell out of the press. But the players have to make decisions and execute at the right moment, we didn't. Ask Northern Iowa how it happens.

 

[BuilderBob6]

The quicker Painter goes the better. People can back him all they want and can these people actually believe we can get better?? Purdue has got to be the easiest team in the world to scout. Painter does the same year in year out. Same offense same defense. I wish I could stop watching them but after watching them for 40 yrs I guess I like the pain. We need a whole new philosophy toward the bball program. We are drier than an old prostitute.

We got better from '13/14 to '14/'15. Got better from '14/'15 to '15/'16. Had some down years due to bad recruiting by Painter. Building it back up. looks like you won't be around to see how it turns out.

 

[klmLB]

Per Indystar:

Here are examples of what it would cost if he's fired on the last day of the fiscal year.

• June 30, 2016: $7,350,000.

• June 30, 2017: $4,925,000.

• June 30, 2018: $2,475,000.

Painter's no fool, gotta give him that. He can continue mediocrity for another 3 years and there is NO chance he is let go. Purdue wouldn't pay the lowest amount of 2.475 unless there was a scandal (then they might get out of it). He isn't going anywhere, maybe not until he chooses, because "we could do worse" and we flat out settle for less. For comparison, Crean is signed through 2019-2020, and his buyout is $1 mil.

If Painter can put the same creative and strategic energies into game plans and recruiting as he did his contract negotiations, then we'd really have something. The real question is why wasn't he so rigid and predictable in the contract negotiations?

 

[vilehoopster]

Replies to Builder Bob --

1st, yes, it helps to have good athletes who are quick to beat pressure defense and the press. With that said, a press should never work, unless it completely surprises you. Purdue should know that everyone, as soon as they get down, are gonna press. And I say it again, our guards were more than adequate to compete athletically to beat a press. First of all: don't inbound it into that damn corner by either baseline (us and Northern Iowa). How hard is that to teach? Then be strong with the ball, ball fake, and reverse it to the other side and then up the sideline or quickly to the middle. Now here's where Painter gets torched. You have to attack the press by attacking the basket and scoring when you have the numbers advantage. I know that means taking a quick shot, which is what the defense wants, but you have to do it or they will just pressure you again and eventually steal it (Kansas and Little Rock). Torch the pressure; don't let it get away with not defending the basket. But what Painter teaches his players to do is cross half court and stop and hold it up; thereby, with the half-court line, putting us in a second corner in one possession. It has nothing to do with athletes and has everything to do with staying aggressive. Also, on your point: are you really going to claim that Arkansas Little Rock had our guards outclassed athletically, Arkansas Little Rock? What did they have, maybe three or four players that we would even bother to recruit.

2nd thing: yes, we have improved from 13/14. It pretty hard not to improve from LAST PLACE!

 

[tookme55]

Each fan has different expectations. Like it or not, NCAA tournament has become the Super Bowl and the World Series, There is nothing like it especially the first weekend when 64 teams begin play on Thursday. The entire country is riveted. It's pure excitement.

My basketball season is over when IU loses in the tournament. I may come around and watch the final game. When I was much younger, hell, I thought IU would win it all every seven years. Boy was I way off.

I get the OP......I share his frustrations. What do we play for? Repetitive top 5 conference finishes and 20 game seasons? Then say that's okay because Northwestern and Illinois can't do it? Really? You set your bar to that of Northwestern?

I get the OP. Painter started off with a Big Bang. But the program has stabilized just short of tournament success. He's a good coach. You know what you got. I don't think OP disagrees.

But can you dream bigger with a different coach? OP wants to risk good seasons for a great season. I get it.

IU and many programs schedule 20 win seasons. IU fans get what Crean is doing and we don't like it. Why do we play so many teams with 250+ RPI's?

My high school AD wants titles. Conference, County and Sectionals and beyond. 20 win season has become meaningless. We schedule tough to get ready for the state tournament.

I get the OP.

 

[Boiler_HD]

You I am sure someone from Purdue read this and realized we should actually fire Painter.

Im glad you created a post that just summarizes the endless threads of Painter hate on here. Like this constant cry for his head does anything? He is our coach, and honestly he has a pretty good team as well.

Yeah that loss was devastating and yes I dont care about the tourney anymore, but lets be honest, this is not completely his fault, and no matter how you spin it, everyone is to blame for that loss. Missed free throws, turnovers, not moving the ball. Yes coaching matters, but missing wide open 3's does as well.

So if you want to call for Painter's head, dont stop there, ask for the basketball team to be removed as a sport, because even not having a coach doesnt account for that type of play at the end. The players not making plays was the issue.

 

[SoCalFan]

Do you know how to break a press? If you say it's about teaching the X's and O's you are wrong. It's not about knowing how, hell everyone knows how. You can look it up right now on Google. 1-2-2, 1-3-1......it's all there. You can practice all day and night. But if you 1. Don't have right personnel it can get much harder. You think Yogi has much trouble with the press? Athleticism helps. 2. Execution and decision making. When do you dribble, when do you pass. Make the decision....right now. That's what it's about. Before you say it, it is the coach's responsibility to have the right players. We had two athletes that would have done well if they could execute. But Scott and RJ didn't work out. Again, you can blame Painter that they didn't stay if you like but he recruited the right kind of athlete. The players that we do have are young or are poor decision makers. Ray has a horrible basketball IQ. Pj is small and young, Johnny got out of control. Vince has poor handles.

This team practiced the hell out of the press. But the players have to make decisions and execute at the right moment, we didn't. Ask Northern Iowa how it happens.

You are correct. In the UK/IU game, UK put on a full court press only once. IU got the ball to Yogi and he immediately raced up court through four Wildcats and Indiana had an easy opportunity. Cal, may have his challenges, but he isn't stupid. They didn't press again. Every good team seems to have an outstanding PG in college.

 

[BoilerStation]

Replies to Builder Bob --

1st, yes, it helps to have good athletes who are quick to beat pressure defense and the press. With that said, a press should never work, unless it completely surprises you. Purdue should know that everyone, as soon as they get down, are gonna press. And I say it again, our guards were more than adequate to compete athletically to beat a press. First of all: don't inbound it into that damn corner by either baseline (us and Northern Iowa). How hard is that to teach? Then be strong with the ball, ball fake, and reverse it to the other side and then up the sideline or quickly to the middle. Now here's where Painter gets torched. You have to attack the press by attacking the basket and scoring when you have the numbers advantage. I know that means taking a quick shot, which is what the defense wants, but you have to do it or they will just pressure you again and eventually steal it (Kansas and Little Rock). Torch the pressure; don't let it get away with not defending the basket. But what Painter teaches his players to do is cross half court and stop and hold it up; thereby, with the half-court line, putting us in a second corner in one possession. It has nothing to do with athletes and has everything to do with staying aggressive. Also, on your point: are you really going to claim that Arkansas Little Rock had our guards outclassed athletically, Arkansas Little Rock? What did they have, maybe three or four players that we would even bother to recruit.

2nd thing: yes, we have improved from 13/14. It pretty hard not to improve from LAST PLACE!

Bingo! There was zero risk to ever pressing us this year because we never punished anybody for it. So what if we'd break it 10 times in a row, we weren't aggressive and didn't take advantage of an opportunity for an easy bucket so they are just going to come right back with it.

 

[tjreese]

Do you know how to break a press? If you say it's about teaching the X's and O's you are wrong. It's not about knowing how, hell everyone knows how. You can look it up right now on Google. 1-2-2, 1-3-1......it's all there. You can practice all day and night. But if you 1. Don't have right personnel it can get much harder. You think Yogi has much trouble with the press? Athleticism helps. 2. Execution and decision making. When do you dribble, when do you pass. Make the decision....right now. That's what it's about. Before you say it, it is the coach's responsibility to have the right players. We had two athletes that would have done well if they could execute. But Scott and RJ didn't work out. Again, you can blame Painter that they didn't stay if you like but he recruited the right kind of athlete. The players that we do have are young or are poor decision makers. Ray has a horrible basketball IQ. Pj is small and young, Johnny got out of control. Vince has poor handles.

This team practiced the hell out of the press. But the players have to make decisions and execute at the right moment, we didn't. Ask Northern Iowa how it happens.

YOU are 100% right on the press. I have no problem offering generalities, but have tried to not be confrontational to all that are upset and see the coach. You must remember, when things don't go well it usually falls on the coach. That is not to say that Matt hasn't made mistakes, just that many have not been in the arena, have not taught the game and are not correct on some things.