Just a bit of a history lesson for some fans....

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

In the 1993-1994 (arguably Purdue's greatest team and a FF had GR not hurt his back), Purdue lost to Wisconsin. That Wisconsin team ended up 8-10 and 8th in the B1G...granted it was at Wisconsin but Purdue had NO BUSINESS losing to that team. Wisconsin ended the year 18-11 and missing the NCAA tourney. Minnesota, arguably, is going to make the tourney this season.

In 1994-1995 (another B1G Championship season), Purdue lost to an average Missouri team at home, lost to Western Michigan (who ended up 14-13 and 7th in the MAC), and to James Madison (16-13 overall) (btw, those were three straight losses)...and some how figured out how to go 15-3 in the conference that season.

In 1995-1996, (a team that went 15-3) Purdue lost to a 7-11 Illinois team at home.

In 2007-2008, Purdue lost to an Wofford team at home (Wofford went 16-16 overall) and to Iowa State at home (14-18 overall) before ripping off 15 wins in the league.

In 2008-2009, a 27-10 Purdue team lost at home to Northwestern at the end of the season (NU ended 17-14 overall that season).

In 2010-2011, a Purdue team that finished with 26 wins lost to Iowa at home of the senior night (Iowa ended up 11-20).

A lone loss doesn't make for a bad season, as evidenced above. In fact, if you look at the losses suffered this season, Purdue has arguably learned, grown, and played better after them. This was a loss that the players will learn from effort and execution wise as they appear to be a team that is able to learn from their mistakes to improve their play. Does the loss to Minny hurt? Of course, but if the history of this season shows anything...it could mean for a better team down the pipeline and one that is totally capable of ripping off a string of double digit wins to end up winning the conference.

 

[Mcluck]

Stop it with the common sense already. We lost a game. PANIC!!!

 

[cprh9u]

In the 1993-1994 (arguably Purdue's greatest team and a FF had GR not hurt his back), Purdue lost to Wisconsin. That Wisconsin team ended up 8-10 and 8th in the B1G...granted it was at Wisconsin but Purdue had NO BUSINESS losing to that team. Wisconsin ended the year 18-11 and missing the NCAA tourney. Minnesota, arguably, is going to make the tourney this season.

In 1994-1995 (another B1G Championship season), Purdue lost to an average Missouri team at home, lost to Western Michigan (who ended up 14-13 and 7th in the MAC), and to James Madison (16-13 overall) (btw, those were three straight losses)...and some how figured out how to go 15-3 in the conference that season.

In 1995-1996, (a team that went 15-3) Purdue lost to a 7-11 Illinois team at home.

In 2007-2008, Purdue lost to an Wofford team at home (Wofford went 16-16 overall) and to Iowa State at home (14-18 overall) before ripping off 15 wins in the league.

In 2008-2009, a 27-10 Purdue team lost at home to Northwestern at the end of the season (NU ended 17-14 overall that season).

In 2010-2011, a Purdue team that finished with 26 wins lost to Iowa at home of the senior night (Iowa ended up 11-20).

A lone loss doesn't make for a bad season, as evidenced above. In fact, if you look at the losses suffered this season, Purdue has arguably learned, grown, and played better after them. This was a loss that the players will learn from effort and execution wise as they appear to be a team that is able to learn from their mistakes to improve their play. Does the loss to Minny hurt? Of course, but if the history of this season shows anything...it could mean for a better team down the pipeline and one that is totally capable of ripping off a string of double digit wins to end up winning the conference.

I don't think the Wofford game is much of a comparison, since that was a freshman and sophomore dominated team that was still learning how to play very early in the season. Minny was a home game with a team that has plenty of experience and is a few months into their season.

That said, many other good comparisons, nice job on the research. As you point out, there is certainly no reason for panic at this point. Purdue has every chance to go 15-3 still and win a B1G championship if they are as good as many on here think they are. Losing one game at home to a scrappy Minnesota team does not change that.

 

[tjreese]

In the 1993-1994 (arguably Purdue's greatest team and a FF had GR not hurt his back), Purdue lost to Wisconsin. That Wisconsin team ended up 8-10 and 8th in the B1G...granted it was at Wisconsin but Purdue had NO BUSINESS losing to that team. Wisconsin ended the year 18-11 and missing the NCAA tourney. Minnesota, arguably, is going to make the tourney this season.

In 1994-1995 (another B1G Championship season), Purdue lost to an average Missouri team at home, lost to Western Michigan (who ended up 14-13 and 7th in the MAC), and to James Madison (16-13 overall) (btw, those were three straight losses)...and some how figured out how to go 15-3 in the conference that season.

In 1995-1996, (a team that went 15-3) Purdue lost to a 7-11 Illinois team at home.

In 2007-2008, Purdue lost to an Wofford team at home (Wofford went 16-16 overall) and to Iowa State at home (14-18 overall) before ripping off 15 wins in the league.

In 2008-2009, a 27-10 Purdue team lost at home to Northwestern at the end of the season (NU ended 17-14 overall that season).

In 2010-2011, a Purdue team that finished with 26 wins lost to Iowa at home of the senior night (Iowa ended up 11-20).

A lone loss doesn't make for a bad season, as evidenced above. In fact, if you look at the losses suffered this season, Purdue has arguably learned, grown, and played better after them. This was a loss that the players will learn from effort and execution wise as they appear to be a team that is able to learn from their mistakes to improve their play. Does the loss to Minny hurt? Of course, but if the history of this season shows anything...it could mean for a better team down the pipeline and one that is totally capable of ripping off a string of double digit wins to end up winning the conference.

So are you telling me there is a chance?

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Purdue has every chance to go 15-3 still and win a B1G championship if they are as good as many on here think they are. Losing one game at home to a scrappy Minnesota team does not change that.

No, they don't have "every chance". Losing at home to Minny does change that. It absolutely lowers your chances. It doesn't make it impossible, but it is an enormous hit to our B1G championship odds.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

No, they don't have "every chance". Losing at home to Minny does change that. It absolutely lowers your chances. It doesn't make it impossible, but it is an enormous hit to our B1G championship odds.

Had that loss been to IU, would it have made any difference in your mind?

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Also, if Purdue didn't win the B1G because of this single loss to Minnesota BUT grew from it as a team and made it to the Sweet 16 or Elite Eight...would the same people be panicking or calling for Painter to be fired?

 

[rgarlitz]

The '94 team also lost at Penn State. At the time, I thought that game would cost Purdue the league title.

Sure, the season is far from over. But, Purdue took an unexpected loss to Minnesota. Credit the Gophers. Now, Purdue has to go out and steal a few from other teams.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

In the 1993-1994 (arguably Purdue's greatest team and a FF had GR not hurt his back), Purdue lost to Wisconsin. That Wisconsin team ended up 8-10 and 8th in the B1G...granted it was at Wisconsin but Purdue had NO BUSINESS losing to that team. Wisconsin ended the year 18-11 and missing the NCAA tourney. Minnesota, arguably, is going to make the tourney this season.

In 1994-1995 (another B1G Championship season), Purdue lost to an average Missouri team at home, lost to Western Michigan (who ended up 14-13 and 7th in the MAC), and to James Madison (16-13 overall) (btw, those were three straight losses)...and some how figured out how to go 15-3 in the conference that season.

In 1995-1996, (a team that went 15-3) Purdue lost to a 7-11 Illinois team at home.

In 2007-2008, Purdue lost to an Wofford team at home (Wofford went 16-16 overall) and to Iowa State at home (14-18 overall) before ripping off 15 wins in the league.

In 2008-2009, a 27-10 Purdue team lost at home to Northwestern at the end of the season (NU ended 17-14 overall that season).

In 2010-2011, a Purdue team that finished with 26 wins lost to Iowa at home of the senior night (Iowa ended up 11-20).

A lone loss doesn't make for a bad season, as evidenced above. In fact, if you look at the losses suffered this season, Purdue has arguably learned, grown, and played better after them. This was a loss that the players will learn from effort and execution wise as they appear to be a team that is able to learn from their mistakes to improve their play. Does the loss to Minny hurt? Of course, but if the history of this season shows anything...it could mean for a better team down the pipeline and one that is totally capable of ripping off a string of double digit wins to end up winning the conference.

Did not the 1993-94 team also lose to Penn State?! I can't imagine the meltdown had this board existed then. "Fire Keady!" "Maybe Glenn should transfer!" "Why does Waddell always lose his contact lenses?"

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Had that loss been to IU, would it have made any difference in your mind?

at home? no. away, yes. You can't drop your home games and expect to bring home a conference title. The baby boiler teams 15-3, 11-7, 14-4, 14-4 with only one title. Were those supposed to make me feel better?

 

[Gold&Black]

Not so fast my friend. While the 93-94 team was a fine team there are others to consider before naming them "the greatest". The 1980 team with JBC went to the FF. The 69 Mount, Keller, Gilliam team went to the championship game against UCLA and might have won had we not lost Chuck Bavis to injury. There was also a team in the late 40s that turned down an invitation for the tourney (I think it might have been the NIT which was the premier tourney at the time) because the coach at the time thought it was corrupt (point shaving, etc). I believe IU went in our stead and might have won there first banner that year. The Hummel/Kramer team was probably FF until he went down in the barn.

And if you look carefully into the rafters next time you are in Mackey, I believe there is a national championship banner from the '30s although it was voted on and not played for.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Not so fast my friend. While the 93-94 team was a fine team there are others to consider before naming them "the greatest". The 1980 team with JBC went to the FF. The 69 Mount, Keller, Gilliam team went to the championship game against UCLA and might have won had we not lost Chuck Bavis to injury. There was also a team in the late 40s that turned down an invitation for the tourney (I think it might have been the NIT which was the premier tourney at the time) because the coach at the time thought it was corrupt (point shaving, etc). I believe IU went in our stead and might have won there first banner that year. The Hummel/Kramer team was probably FF until he went down in the barn.

And if you look carefully into the rafters next time you are in Mackey, I believe there is a national championship banner from the '30s although it was voted on and not played for.

1940 on the invitation team, IIRC

'88 was also a fine team....IMO...most disappointing ending to a season I've seen, however.

 

[njm8845]

The loss in 2011 was AT Iowa, not at Mackey. I was at that game and it sucked.

Every year, good teams lose games they shouldn't. People shouldn't jump off a cliff when upsets happen. But you also can't brush them off either - Purdue is already looking up at teams, needing others to lose.

Sunday is going to be huge.

 

[DG10]

Also, if Purdue didn't win the B1G because of this single loss to Minnesota BUT grew from it as a team and made it to the Sweet 16 or Elite Eight...would the same people be panicking or calling for Painter to be fired?

Could the same lessons not have been learned in the losses to Villanova and Louisville, or debacle of a first half against ND? What is magical about laying an egg at home to a Minnesota team that had not beat anyone else of remote significance? Just seems like Purdue has A LOT of learning opportunities or opportunities to grow from mistakes and bad losses...but they unfortunately never pay off in the way that you suggest, and, more importantly, they just keep happening.

Winning the B1G is nice...but, getting better and being a threat in March is what seemingly matters most...losing to Minnesota as they did does not really help either cause.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Also, if Purdue didn't win the B1G because of this single loss to Minnesota BUT grew from it as a team and made it to the Sweet 16 or Elite Eight...would the same people be panicking or calling for Painter to be fired?

It doesn't work this way. Every loss has the potential to knock your seeding down. The best way to make an elite 8 or sweet 16 is getting the best seeding possible. What did this game teach us? That when Carsen and Haas are a hot mess we lose? That turning the ball over gets you beat? Also, I'm not calling for CMP to be fired. Let's keep things in perspective. I'm saying our championship ambitions to a big hit. I'm not even sure why people are arguing...

 

[cprh9u]

No, they don't have "every chance". Losing at home to Minny does change that. It absolutely lowers your chances. It doesn't make it impossible, but it is an enormous hit to our B1G championship odds.

My point is 1 game does not define your season. I think Purdue ends up around 12-6, but I have thought that all season. Surprise wins and losses are a part of every teams seasons. They are not suddenly doomed to be 4-18 because they lost to Minny just like they wouldn't likely be on their way to 16-2 had they won. I get that it wasn't a "good" loss, but they alone determine what happens from here on.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

My point is 1 game does not define your season. I think Purdue ends up around 12-6, but I have thought that all season. Surprise wins and losses are a part of every teams seasons. They are not suddenly doomed to be 4-18 because they lost to Minny just like they wouldn't likely be on their way to 16-2 had they won. I get that it wasn't a "good" loss, but they alone determine what happens from here on.

I do not expect us to go 12-6. I guess that's the difference. I want and expect us to compete for the B1G title.

 

[nagemj02]

In the 1993-1994 (arguably Purdue's greatest team and a FF had GR not hurt his back), Purdue lost to Wisconsin. That Wisconsin team ended up 8-10 and 8th in the B1G...granted it was at Wisconsin but Purdue had NO BUSINESS losing to that team. Wisconsin ended the year 18-11 and missing the NCAA tourney. Minnesota, arguably, is going to make the tourney this season.

In 1994-1995 (another B1G Championship season), Purdue lost to an average Missouri team at home, lost to Western Michigan (who ended up 14-13 and 7th in the MAC), and to James Madison (16-13 overall) (btw, those were three straight losses)...and some how figured out how to go 15-3 in the conference that season.

In 1995-1996, (a team that went 15-3) Purdue lost to a 7-11 Illinois team at home.

In 2007-2008, Purdue lost to an Wofford team at home (Wofford went 16-16 overall) and to Iowa State at home (14-18 overall) before ripping off 15 wins in the league.

In 2008-2009, a 27-10 Purdue team lost at home to Northwestern at the end of the season (NU ended 17-14 overall that season).

In 2010-2011, a Purdue team that finished with 26 wins lost to Iowa at home of the senior night (Iowa ended up 11-20).

A lone loss doesn't make for a bad season, as evidenced above. In fact, if you look at the losses suffered this season, Purdue has arguably learned, grown, and played better after them. This was a loss that the players will learn from effort and execution wise as they appear to be a team that is able to learn from their mistakes to improve their play. Does the loss to Minny hurt? Of course, but if the history of this season shows anything...it could mean for a better team down the pipeline and one that is totally capable of ripping off a string of double digit wins to end up winning the conference.

I get what you're trying to say, but a clarification: the '94-'95 Missouri game was at a neutral site. It was part of the pre-conference "Great Eight" Tournament, which paired Elite Eight teams from the previous NCAA Tournament against one another.

 

[BBG]

Personally I don't care that much for the regular season title. I guess with the addition of the tourney, for me it has lost it's "luster" as it were. Now don't get me wrong, if we won it I would be elated, but if we don't, meh.

What I DO want is at least is a high finish in the conference standings, a good NCAA seed and a deep tourney run. If that comes without winning the conference crown, I'll take it.

 

[cprh9u]

I do not expect us to go 12-6. I guess that's the difference. I want and expect us to compete for the B1G title.

What I want and expect are 2 very different things. CMP has a single shared B1G title in 11 years. I would love to win it this year and get a 1 seed and win it all, but realistically, I think we finish 12-6 like we have the last few years and land in the 5-6 seed range.

 

[DG10]

Personally I don't care that much for the regular season title. I guess with the addition of the tourney, for me it has lost it's "luster" as it were. Now don't get me wrong, if we won it I would be elated, but if we don't, meh.

What I DO want is at least is a high finish in the conference standings, a good NCAA seed and a deep tourney run. If that comes without winning the conference crown, I'll take it.

Not just the addition of the tourney...but the imbalanced schedule is more of the issue for me personally, as it has almost as much to do with who wins as anything.

 

[cprh9u]

Personally I don't care that much for the regular season title. I guess with the addition of the tourney, for me it has lost it's "luster" as it were. Now don't get me wrong, if we won it I would be elated, but if we don't, meh.

What I DO want is at least is a high finish in the conference standings, a good NCAA seed and a deep tourney run. If that comes without winning the conference crown, I'll take it.

Get it, but the 2 are pretty well tied. If we win the B1G title, we have an excellent chance at having a high seed. Here's hoping for a B1G conference and tourney title to go along with Purdue's first NC title.

 

[BBG]

Not just the addition of the tourney...but the imbalanced schedule is more of the issue for me personally, as it has almost as much to do with who wins as anything.

You know that is a good point I forgot. Like you said the schedule has really kinda screwed up things.

It makes you wonder if those that have since then, would still have if they had to play everyone twice.

 

[PistolPt]

Winning B10 tourney is a must regardless how we finish B10 play. If we can stay competitive(will) and finish 1 thru 4 in B10play will start on Friday. If we can get hot(that's obviously the key) and beat 3 really good teams in the tourney a #3 seed is ideal. I can live with a 4 this year just no 5 or 6 seed.

 

[rgarlitz]

Not just the addition of the tourney...but the imbalanced schedule is more of the issue for me personally, as it has almost as much to do with who wins as anything.

Maybe the B1G regular season title isn't quite what it was back before the tournament when everyone played a full round robin (or mostly so after PSU joined the league in 1990).

Still, Purdue has one shared regular season title in the past 20 years. It would be nice to win a few more.

 

[Dryfly88]

1940 on the invitation team, IIRC

'88 was also a fine team....IMO...most disappointing ending to a season I've seen, however.

Right with you. As you can tell from my name, I was a Senior that year. Devastating loss. Losing to Duke with Glenn was tough, but this one hurt me much more.

 

[PU pit bull]

In the 1993-1994 (arguably Purdue's greatest team and a FF had GR not hurt his back), Purdue lost to Wisconsin. That Wisconsin team ended up 8-10 and 8th in the B1G...granted it was at Wisconsin but Purdue had NO BUSINESS losing to that team. Wisconsin ended the year 18-11 and missing the NCAA tourney. Minnesota, arguably, is going to make the tourney this season.

In 1994-1995 (another B1G Championship season), Purdue lost to an average Missouri team at home, lost to Western Michigan (who ended up 14-13 and 7th in the MAC), and to James Madison (16-13 overall) (btw, those were three straight losses)...and some how figured out how to go 15-3 in the conference that season.

In 1995-1996, (a team that went 15-3) Purdue lost to a 7-11 Illinois team at home.

In 2007-2008, Purdue lost to an Wofford team at home (Wofford went 16-16 overall) and to Iowa State at home (14-18 overall) before ripping off 15 wins in the league.

In 2008-2009, a 27-10 Purdue team lost at home to Northwestern at the end of the season (NU ended 17-14 overall that season).

In 2010-2011, a Purdue team that finished with 26 wins lost to Iowa at home of the senior night (Iowa ended up 11-20).

A lone loss doesn't make for a bad season, as evidenced above. In fact, if you look at the losses suffered this season, Purdue has arguably learned, grown, and played better after them. This was a loss that the players will learn from effort and execution wise as they appear to be a team that is able to learn from their mistakes to improve their play. Does the loss to Minny hurt? Of course, but if the history of this season shows anything...it could mean for a better team down the pipeline and one that is totally capable of ripping off a string of double digit wins to end up winning the conference.

Basically, this is the BIG TEN. You can't ever count anyone out. Have to be ready every game.....even when the so called experts say the BIG is down. Same thing every year. On to the next.