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Jordyn Poole entering portal

Are these transfers a cry of how bad it is? Is Purdue going to have anyone back? Maybe it would be best to start over with a whole new roster. We may be better. Hey AD, are you listening to this?
 
Are these transfers a cry of how bad it is? Is Purdue going to have anyone back? Maybe it would be best to start over with a whole new roster. We may be better. Hey AD, are you listening to this?

No - it's the sign of the times. Hundreds of athletes are entering the portal at every school. But obviously our complete lack of success is not helping any. Developmental P4 programs simply do not exist anymore. Players are not willing to stick around long enough to be developed. They want to win and win now and you can't do that when you are developing a bunch of average rated recruits hoping they will be something by the time they are upper classmen when they will simply not stick around long enough to reward coaches for taking the time with them. Swanson has potential. I'm sad to see her go. But she was up and down all season. She obviously wants to be somewhere else for whatever reason. Jordyn was injured the majority of the year. She showed little. But doesn't want to be here. So it's really hard to develop kids who will jump ship so easily.
 
She showed nothing, players leave now, hard to miss someone that in my opinion was pretty bad last year.
 
Just a sign of the times as one poster already stated. if I am not playing, the NIL is not paying or the team is not winning I have an out and many players across the country have completed two outs going on three! In football there are 25 year old players playing against 18 year old ones.
 
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No - it's the sign of the times. Hundreds of athletes are entering the portal at every school. But obviously our complete lack of success is not helping any. Developmental P4 programs simply do not exist anymore. Players are not willing to stick around long enough to be developed. They want to win and win now and you can't do that when you are developing a bunch of average rated recruits hoping they will be something by the time they are upper classmen when they will simply not stick around long enough to reward coaches for taking the time with them. Swanson has potential. I'm sad to see her go. But she was up and down all season. She obviously wants to be somewhere else for whatever reason. Jordyn was injured the majority of the year. She showed little. But doesn't want to be here. So it's really hard to develop kids who will jump ship so easily.
You keep circulating this hogwash, and i keep reminding you that 95+% of schools do not lose players at the rate Gearlds does. At first your excuses was is typical for a new coach to a program, then this is the second our third time you have tried peddling this falsehood that is the same everywhere, which it clearly isn't. The very high number of players we lose compared to other teams even ones that are losing is a very clear sign of chaos in our program and players having no faith in the coaches to fix any of the problems we have.
 
Well Painter certainly doesn't lose as many players, so there's that.
Painter has been here for 20 years now and is about to win his 500th game. You can't remotely compare the 2.

Also, Painter came here already with D1 coaching success. He built through solid/very good high school recruits - not All Americans. It's a completely different ball game from 2004 and 2025. Not even remotely the same.
 
Well Painter certainly doesn't lose as many players, so there's that.
For comparison, neither does Northwestern or before this year even Wisconsin. CKG loses players at a dizzying rate, and they are usually the players with good upside that she can't seem to develop. I kind of expected these two to leave, and maybe McCarthy. McKenna may follow her sister, and Jones may follow the Reynolds family to Western Michigan. I'd not be surprised to see Swanson at UILL.
 
Painter has been here 20 years because he's shown some level of success. Gearlds will be lucky to make it 6 years because she's shown nothing and can't keep anyone she recruits.
 
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Painter has been here for 20 years now and is about to win his 500th game. You can't remotely compare the 2.

Also, Painter came here already with D1 coaching success. He built through solid/very good high school recruits - not All Americans. It's a completely different ball game from 2004 and 2025. Not even remotely the same.
I'm not talking about 2004. I'm talking about the impact of NIL on men's and women's basketball right now in 2024, 2025. Painter's players could constantly jump ship every year as well, but something in the culture or the coaching keeps them here. His players certainly have (better?) NIL opportunities elsewhere, because you can watch these guys get better year over year. Yet most of them remain. Something within the women's program is amiss, whether it's the losses, the culture, the coach, the energy, whatever. Something is wrong and drives players away. Purdue losing 6 players to the portal this year, and they average a total of about 15 points a game. Is she that poor at evaluating talent or is the staff that bad at developing and nurturing it once they get here?
 
I'm not talking about 2004. I'm talking about the impact of NIL on men's and women's basketball right now in 2024, 2025. Painter's players could constantly jump ship every year as well, but something in the culture or the coaching keeps them here. His players certainly have (better?) NIL opportunities elsewhere, because you can watch these guys get better year over year. Yet most of them remain. Something within the women's program is amiss, whether it's the losses, the culture, the coach, the energy, whatever. Something is wrong and drives players away. Purdue losing 6 players to the portal this year, and they average a total of about 15 points a game. Is she that poor at evaluating talent or is the staff that bad at developing and nurturing it once they get here?
Swanson hurts a little, Poole I’m not sure, she looked terrible in games I watched, maybe it’s the Coaching. Going forward I’m hoping the rest stay, guessing another player or two likely leave. I think Puryear and maybe McCarthy announced they’re returning, thinking Jones stays, Coach pretty much handed her the keys to drive the car next year.
 
She only played in 8 games due to a stress fracture last summer. I saw her play in high school and thought she was a very good player.
She was runner up for Indiana miss basketball.
I thought she had potential in the short time I saw her. Her injury certainly set her back, but I had hopes for her helping our program the next few years.
 
I'm not talking about 2004. I'm talking about the impact of NIL on men's and women's basketball right now in 2024, 2025. Painter's players could constantly jump ship every year as well, but something in the culture or the coaching keeps them here. His players certainly have (better?) NIL opportunities elsewhere, because you can watch these guys get better year over year. Yet most of them remain. Something within the women's program is amiss, whether it's the losses, the culture, the coach, the energy, whatever. Something is wrong and drives players away. Purdue losing 6 players to the portal this year, and they average a total of about 15 points a game. Is she that poor at evaluating talent or is the staff that bad at developing and nurturing it once they get here?

We didn't lose 6 players. We have lost 4 - 2 of them being a sister package deal and neither produced anything of worth during their time here. Mila hasn't produced a thing her entire college career. Madison and Jayla's departure do not count. Smith went through senior day and was completely worthless for us. Madison being counted towards our departure's a joke. She completed her time with us and is moving on.

We lost 4 players to the portal.


Matt painter has had 20 years to cement his system and winning culture. He has won - been to a final four - and won a ton of big ten championships. You comparing that to KG and her career is a joke. Players want to play for him because a supremely accomplished coach that wins. They are all also getting paid very nicely on top of that. To compare the two situations is extremely ignorant on your part.
 
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She only played in 8 games due to a stress fracture last summer. I saw her play in high school and thought she was a very good player.
She was runner up for Indiana miss basketball.
I saw that, she looked overmatched here, maybe it was because of her injuries, we’ll see how she looks somewhere else, very well could be Coaching because both Reynolds looked below average as well.
 
I saw that, she looked overmatched here, maybe it was because of her injuries, we’ll see how she looks somewhere else, very well could be Coaching because both Reynolds looked below average as well.
The younger Reynolds gets the benefit of the doubt because of her injury. I can’t say she got a real shot at anything. The older Reynolds didn’t produce much here or at Penn St. So not much to cry about there. The real loss is probably the incoming young sister. She looks like the best of the whole package. Looking to make the top 15 in the conference next season. That would be improvement
 
My under the radar Douwnstra posts seem to be looking better by the day. She may have to log 40 minutes a night and look like an Allstar while half our team is filled with walkons. I jest... sorta haha.
 
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My under the radar Douwnstra posts seem to be looking better by the day. She may have to log 40 minutes a night and look like an Allstar while half our team is filled with walkons. I jest... sorta haha.
She will be our next AA and her number will be hanging from the rafters 5 yers from now. (I hope our new leadership doesn’t figure out a way to charge for dreaming because then I’d be in trouble).
 
Just announced she has committed to Dayton. Interesting she went mid major. I assume she will use this past year as a redshirt and will have 4 left. She was highly regarded out of high school - I think this is a good program for her to develop at a lower level but I wouldn't be surprised if she hits the portal again after a couple years of polishing.
 
Per sources: Purdue guard Jordyn Poole is entering the transfer portal after one year with Boilermakers.

Just saw where Poole committed to Dayton. Much better fit for her. CKG has yet to bring in an elite, high level player who can produce. She struggles to develop players she recruits. Good luck to Poole for choosing a program she can likely be successful in.
 
Just saw where Poole committed to Dayton. Much better fit for her. CKG has yet to bring in an elite, high level player who can produce. She struggles to develop players she recruits. Good luck to Poole for choosing a program she can likely be successful in.

Swanson and Spider were being developed just fine by CKG. Both had substantial improvement from their freshmen and sophomore years and I really think CKG thought she would see the fruits of her labor during their upperclassmen years. Again - neither were super elite recruits out of high school. Developing their first 2 years and then being key performers their final two seemed to be the normal trajectory for players like those two.

Unfortunately - both players opted to leave. Again - is what it is. I get they are tired of losing but we were losing mainly due to developing them and giving them meaningful minutes their first two years and having them work through it while also unfortunately losing on the court. This is the reason why it's so hard right now for Big Ten teams to be a developmental program. We need to win and we need players ready-made for the BIG arena. That's not going to come with recruiting average recruits out of high school and spending years developing them through their inevitable ups and downs they will have during their rookie and sophomore campaigns - just to have them enter the portal for greener pastures because they're tired of losing.

I really hope - but I'm kind of expecting - the same thing doesn't happen with Puryear and McCarthy. Let these average/decently ranked recruits go mid major for a their first two years out of high school - and then go up a level their final two. The loyalty is clearly not there from a player perspective and the HC is the one getting burned while another (Duffy in Swanson's case) gets a much more developed product to work with for two years.
 
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Swanson and Spider were being developed just fine by CKG. Both had substantial improvement from their freshmen and sophomore years and I really think CKG thought she would see the fruits of her labor during their upperclassmen years. Again - neither were super elite recruits out of high school. Developing their first 2 years and then being key performers their final two seemed to be the normal trajectory for players like those two.

Unfortunately - both players opted to leave. Again - is what it is. I get they are tired of losing but we were losing mainly due to developing them and giving them meaningful minutes their first two years and having them work through it while also unfortunately losing on the court. This is the reason why it's so hard right now for Big Ten teams to be a developmental program. We need to win and we need players ready-made for the BIG arena. That's not going to come with recruiting average recruits out of high school and spending years developing them through their inevitable ups and downs they will have during their rookie and sophomore campaigns - just to have them enter the portal for greener pastures because they're tired of losing.

I really hope - but I'm kind of expecting - the same thing doesn't happen with Puryear and McCarthy. Let these average/decently ranked recruits go mid major for a their first two years out of high school - and then go up a level their final two. The loyalty is clearly not there from a player perspective and the HC is the one getting burned while another (Duffy in Swanson's case) gets a much more developed product to work with for two years.
I agree. I think we are saying the same thing as far as CKG’s inability to bring in elite level players. I can see your take in that when players do develop, and then decide to go elsewhere, that doesn’t help us. Some of it is the lure of money, while some is due to a disinterest in remaining loyal to the program whose put time into you.
 
I agree. I think we are saying the same thing as far as CKG’s inability to bring in elite level players. I can see your take in that when players do develop, and then decide to go elsewhere, that doesn’t help us. Some of it is the lure of money, while some is due to a disinterest in remaining loyal to the program whose put time into you.

What experience did she have when she came here to even be in the conversation to bring in elite level recruits? NONE. This is why this hire is, and continues to be, very frustrating to me. I'm not going to hate on CKG. She is a still super young when it comes to coaching. I believe she has a future in it and she wasn't going to turn down an absolute DREAM of a situation - coming her alma mater that she loves so much and being a HC of a P4 women's basketball program.

But, I really think it would've proven to be a better move for her had she been able to move up the latter before coming here. She should be cutting her teeth at a mid major level - and then if she has success and really proves herself (and creates good connections - which is what recruiting essentially is) then get the offer to come to a program like Purdue.

But now if she fails here - which is looking ever so likely - she will have to start from the ground up somewhere and will likely never get another shot at coaching her dream school. It really is unfortunate. She came in at the absolutely worst time to do so as a young, and fairly inexperienced coach. The creation of the instant transfer rule, NIL and then the addition of 4 really good programs into an already tough and settled league. This job is 1000 times harder than it was a mere 6-7 years ago.
 
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I agree. I think we are saying the same thing as far as CKG’s inability to bring in elite level players. I can see your take in that when players do develop, and then decide to go elsewhere, that doesn’t help us. Some of it is the lure of money, while some is due to a disinterest in remaining loyal to the program whose put time into you.
Swanson and Jones have developed very little in two years under CKG. I would bet big money they and Poole will look MUCH better under competent coaching. The rest of Pride's talking points are just smoke and mirrors trying to defend a failed coach that he argued vehemently was a great hire at the time.
 
Swanson and Jones have developed very little in two years under CKG. I would bet big money they and Poole will look MUCH better under competent coaching. The rest of Pride's talking points are just smoke and mirrors trying to defend a failed coach that he argued vehemently was a great hire at the time.
They should look better. They already have two years experience at a power 4 conference . It’s not like they are going into their next stop as freshmen. As far as not being able to recruit elite players, that has been going on for a long time. Consider that out last burger girls were the duo of Erin Lawless and Katie Gearlds. I don’t think Caesar had crossed the Rubicon just yet. CKG did not cause the train wreck. The team she inherited won a grand total of 7 games in a lot weaker Big Ten. She just hasn’t been able to clean up the mess that was thrown at her feet. And with all the changes that have happened to college athletics I am not too confident that any other non established coach will ever be able to fix it. And by established coach I don’t mean a successful mid major coach. I think it will take a coach that makes deep tournament runs often . Don’t hold your breath while Purdue goes after such a coach. Yet again, you never know : dreaming is still free…
 
They should look better. They already have two years experience at a power 4 conference . It’s not like they are going into their next stop as freshmen. As far as not being able to recruit elite players, that has been going on for a long time. Consider that out last burger girls were the duo of Erin Lawless and Katie Gearlds. I don’t think Caesar had crossed the Rubicon just yet. CKG did not cause the train wreck. The team she inherited won a grand total of 7 games in a lot weaker Big Ten. She just hasn’t been able to clean up the mess that was thrown at her feet. And with all the changes that have happened to college athletics I am not too confident that any other non established coach will ever be able to fix it. And by established coach I don’t mean a successful mid major coach. I think it will take a coach that makes deep tournament runs often . Don’t hold your breath while Purdue goes after such a coach. Yet again, you never know : dreaming is still free…
An up and coming mid major coach. could easily get us to at least middle of the pack Big Ten. Someone that runs an effective offense not rooted in 90s high school girls ball and knows how to develop players.
 
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