Johnny was fouled

[Purdue0034]

Watch the replay from the overhead camera and it is absolutely clear he was severely fouled. This wasn't the type of foul that you can just ignore (although somehow these refs did). Sure we should have done more to win the game, but we should have been on the free throw line with a chance to win it and then all questionable moves down the stretch would have been forgiven and we would all be sleeping good tonight. That is if he made his free throws of course.

 

[honey_badger]

he was bumbling, stumbling, and going down far before anyone touched him.

 

[honey_badger]

you can look at the top view and see that his right leg was slipping out from under him before the phantom arm grab.

 

[depthcharge623]

Johnny does have a tendancy to lose control of his body while driving, and it looks like that's what happened. I thought one of the commentators said the ref got in the way though... that could be part of the problem...

 

[Skydog6653]

Even his teammates looked at him like, WTF? There was 4 other guys on the floor, and he thought he was going to be the glory boy. He looked like a playground fool. Had he been the only one on the floor, nothing would have changed! He still would have dribbled the length of the court and performed the Fosbury Flop in front of millions. He looked like a bullhead catfish, flopping on the banks of the Wabash.

 

[KGBoilerfan]

No business taking that shot. Just like last Sunday.

 

[atmafola]

Even his teammates looked at him like, WTF? There was 4 other guys on the floor, and he thought he was going to be the glory boy. He looked like a playground fool. Had he been the only one on the floor, nothing would have changed! He still would have dribbled the length of the court and performed the Fosbury Flop in front of millions. He looked like a bullhead catfish, flopping on the banks of the Wabash.

very aptly described.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Watch the replay from the overhead camera and it is absolutely clear he was severely fouled. This wasn't the type of foul that you can just ignore (although somehow these refs did). Sure we should have done more to win the game, but we should have been on the free throw line with a chance to win it and then all questionable moves down the stretch would have been forgiven and we would all be sleeping good tonight. That is if he made his free throws of course.

He shouldn't have been on the court in that situation. Sorry, but that's my take. Saturday and yesterday.....completely out of control.

 

[Purdue0034]

I agree with most of the replies, however on the replay it appears to me that he doesn't go completely out of control and airborne until he gets the severe arm hook from Hagins. Without the foul there was at least a chance he could have made the shot; but with the foul it was over. I definitely agree that we should have been running a different play and I was cringing as Johnny was approaching the basket at full speed, but the foul was obvious and severe and should have been called. 2 free throws and game to the Boilermakers.

 

[atmafola]

I agree with most of the replies, however on the replay it appears to me that he doesn't go completely out of control and airborne until he gets the severe arm hook from Hagins. Without the foul there was at least a chance he could have made the shot; but with the foul it was over. I definitely agree that we should have been running a different play and I was cringing as Johnny was approaching the basket at full speed, but the foul was obvious and severe and should have been called. 2 free throws and game to the Boilermakers.

nah he picked up his dribble from too far. He was always out of control

 

[PaBoiler78]

nah he picked up his dribble from too far. He was always out of control

if you want to point out one missed foul, is when AJ made that move to the middle and lost the ball out to mid court, he was slapped hands down on the right wrist. Still can't believe that one series where Vince and AJ missed consecutive put backs underneath the basket.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

The fact that Purdue had to be in that situation to begin with is the problem with that game.

 

[Purdue0034]

Com' on man! Look at Hagins reaction, he put his hands in the air trying to make it look like he didn't foul. Almost like he was expecting the whistle to come. The ref under the basket probably missed it because Hagins had his back to the ref and it looks like the ref didn't have a good angle. This wasn't the only missed foul, but it could have made the difference. I thought we got hosed with the Haas flagrant foul as well. I also agree we shouldn't have been in this situation to begin with, but we had a chance and the refs either didn't see it or conveniently swallowed the whistle.

 

[honey_badger]

I agree with most of the replies, however on the replay it appears to me that he doesn't go completely out of control and airborne until he gets the severe arm hook from Hagins. Without the foul there was at least a chance he could have made the shot; but with the foul it was over. I definitely agree that we should have been running a different play and I was cringing as Johnny was approaching the basket at full speed, but the foul was obvious and severe and should have been called. 2 free throws and game to the Boilermakers.

its a judgement deal, it cannot be reviewed -- and unless the referee was in the rafters of the building, there was no arm hook visible. even with the overhead view, it's still questionable because his right leg was already slipping out from under him (looking at this very close and in slow mo). I cannot for the life of me, fathom what the play call was. It's on Painter. BLNYBU.

 

[honey_badger]

Com' on man! Look at Hagins reaction, he put his hands in the air trying to make it look like he didn't foul. Almost like he was expecting the whistle to come. The ref under the basket probably missed it because Hagins had his back to the ref and it looks like the ref didn't have a good angle. This wasn't the only missed foul, but it could have made the difference. I thought we got hosed with the Haas flagrant foul as well. I also agree we shouldn't have been in this situation to begin with, but we had a chance and the refs either didn't see it or conveniently swallowed the whistle.

C'mon, we've seen tons of Flagrant 1's that were more petty than Haas' this year all over the league and country. It is what it is.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Com' on man! Look at Hagins reaction, he put his hands in the air trying to make it look like he didn't foul. Almost like he was expecting the whistle to come. The ref under the basket probably missed it because Hagins had his back to the ref and it looks like the ref didn't have a good angle. This wasn't the only missed foul, but it could have made the difference. I thought we got hosed with the Haas flagrant foul as well. I also agree we shouldn't have been in this situation to begin with, but we had a chance and the refs either didn't see it or conveniently swallowed the whistle.

The flagrant foul was the correct call BUT Painter was right in saying the first foul should have been called for pushing Haas directly in the back. In that instance, I wish Painter would have blown up as it was clear the team was starting to get unfocused. I'd risk a free throw and a possession to light the fire under the teams ass again.

 

[atmafola]

if you want to point out one missed foul, is when AJ made that move to the middle and lost the ball out to mid court, he was slapped hands down on the right wrist. Still can't believe that one series where Vince and AJ missed consecutive put backs underneath the basket.

going back to silly games we lost OOC last season. The pattern was always the same.

VE and AJ missing bunny lay-ups
Some no name guard starts making all sorts of incredible 3s.

Once the VE bunny misses happend. I knew we were headed for a loss.

 

[Purdue0034]

As far as the flagrant on Haas is concerned, I just thought it was incidental contact. The defender was coming at Haas and he sort of put his left arm up to defend himself. I just don't like the rule if that is a flagrant 1. The rule needs to allow for a bit more judgment on the part of the referee. It seemed like after that Haas wasn't even a factor in the game. Why Biggie or Haas weren't in the game at all during either overtime is mind-boggling.

 

[honey_badger]

The flagrant foul was the correct call BUT Painter was right in saying the first foul should have been called for pushing Haas directly in the back. In that instance, I wish Painter would have blown up as it was clear the team was starting to get unfocused. I'd risk a free throw and a possession to light the fire under the teams ass again.

was thinking the same thing, or blow up on a different call or no-call just to Izzo the situation. How many times does Izzo get T's, not very many but manages to fire everyone up with his yelling and screaming. but like you said, go ahead and take the risk.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

As far as the flagrant on Haas is concerned, I just thought it was incidental contact. The defender was coming at Haas and he sort of put his left arm up to defend himself. I just don't like the rule if that is a flagrant 1. The rule needs to allow for a bit more judgment on the part of the referee. It seemed like after that Haas wasn't even a factor in the game. Why Biggie or Haas weren't in the game at all during either overtime is mind-boggling.

He wasn't a factor because he didn't step foot on the floor again.

 

[Schnelk]

Same old story: pound on Haas, no whistle. Draw a foul on Haas by standing so close to him he can't even move a muscle without contact. Bullshit...all...year...long...
Please figure out how to deal with this before next season.

 

[bnsummers]

The flagrant foul was the correct call BUT Painter was right in saying the first foul should have been called for pushing Haas directly in the back. In that instance, I wish Painter would have blown up as it was clear the team was starting to get unfocused. I'd risk a free throw and a possession to light the fire under the teams ass again.

I disagree that it should have been a flagrant. If you watch the LR player, his head doesn't snap back until Isaacs arm has started down. Obvious flop. A foul maybe, but an Oscar for the Yogi flop to make it a flagrant.

 

[Beeazlebub]

Watch the replay from the overhead camera and it is absolutely clear he was severely fouled. This wasn't the type of foul that you can just ignore (although somehow these refs did). Sure we should have done more to win the game, but we should have been on the free throw line with a chance to win it and then all questionable moves down the stretch would have been forgiven and we would all be sleeping good tonight. That is if he made his free throws of course.

Add to that the "charge" called against Edwards in the first half (Davis hit a three after the whistle), and you get a triumvirate of horrible calls that went against us at critical times. Everything that had to happen for us to lose yesterday happened.

 

[FirstDownB]

Same old story: pound on Haas, no whistle. Draw a foul on Haas by standing so close to him he can't even move a muscle without contact. Bullshit...all...year...long...
Please figure out how to deal with this before next season.

I knew we might be in trouble with the officiating when the radio guys said they didn't recognize any of the refs working the game. To his credit, I think Painter has steadily raised awareness within the group of refs that commonly do B1G games of how our bigs get abused by opponents. Not using this as an excuse, but it didn't help yesterday.

 

[Dakota Girl]

its a judgement deal, it cannot be reviewed -- and unless the referee was in the rafters of the building, there was no arm hook visible. even with the overhead view, it's still questionable because his right leg was already slipping out from under him (looking at this very close and in slow mo). I cannot for the life of me, fathom what the play call was. It's on Painter. BLNYBU.

The play is easy to figure out because there was no time do anything else. Get to your fastest dribbler moving up the court (they did), drive the lane (he did), shoot layup if open (this where the execution fell apart), drop to cutter if his man comes off to you, or kick out for three. That's about it to go full court in 8 seconds.

 

[boilergold]

There was no doubt he was fouled. They were fouls called with far less contact. This one affected his shot.

 

[MacDee1975]

Those damn refs; always out to get Purdue. If not for the clear agenda they have towards you, you all would've easily gone undefeated this season. Anyone know if any investigation is going to get launched? Someone need to get to the bottom of all this anti-Purdue bias that exists within NCAA headquarters.

 

[PU pit bull]

Those damn refs; always out to get Purdue. If not for the clear agenda they have towards you, you all would've easily gone undefeated this season. Anyone know if any investigation is going to get launched? Someone need to get to the bottom of all this anti-Purdue bias that exists within NCAA headquarters.

You are correct on all accounts. Hopefully, it gets cleaned up!

 

[depthcharge623]

I don't think there's any animus towards Purdue qua Purdue by the league or refs. But I do think there is strong resistance to the style of basketball we play-- half court, motion offense with our bigs playing traditional center w/backs to the basket, aggressive man defense, etc. The league has decided it wants to become the NBA in order to make even more money so they are pressuring the game to go a certain way, and unfortunately it isn't the way that Purdue plays basketball.

I don't really see what we can do at this point besides adapt, which is very frustrating. I like the game how it is, but if we want to succeed...

 

[honey_badger]

Com' on man! Look at Hagins reaction, he put his hands in the air trying to make it look like he didn't foul. Almost like he was expecting the whistle to come. The ref under the basket probably missed it because Hagins had his back to the ref and it looks like the ref didn't have a good angle. This wasn't the only missed foul, but it could have made the difference. I thought we got hosed with the Haas flagrant foul as well. I also agree we shouldn't have been in this situation to begin with, but we had a chance and the refs either didn't see it or conveniently swallowed the whistle.

what do you want the refs to do, review all foul calls on replay. and have replay from ceiling cams? the only reason that camera was there is because it was an NCAA tourney game. I guess you also want games to last 4 hours too.

 

[NVBoilerFan]

Add to that the "charge" called against Edwards in the first half (Davis hit a three after the whistle), and you get a triumvirate of horrible calls that went against us at critical times. Everything that had to happen for us to lose yesterday happened.

Allow me to add the 3 in the corner that wasn't a 3. Toe was clearly on the line, they went to the video twice and still blew it. That's not just incompetence, it's an agenda.