Joey Galloway

[Chi-Boiler]

Did anyone hear this clown last night during the selection update?

First, he suggested than Indinia should bench Rourke this weekend against Ohio State so the same thing doesn't happen to them that happened to Florida State last year. Huh?

He also said that "LITERALLY Indinia hasn't beaten anyone." And Texas and Penn State as well. Literally. As in, you literally don't know what the word literally means.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Did anyone hear this clown last night during the selection update?

First, he suggested than Indinia should bench Rourke this weekend against Ohio State so the same thing doesn't happen to them that happened to Florida State last year. Huh?

He also said that "LITERALLY Indinia hasn't beaten anyone." And Texas and Penn State as well. Literally. As in, you literally don't know what the word literally means.

If that’s the case, then his team should win huge on Saturday.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

If that’s the case, then his team should win huge on Saturday.

Maybe he's playing a jedi mind trick on them!

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

My solution/suggestion when watching these so-called experts regarding sports or other "news." It has LITERALLY worked for me.

 

[TC4THREE]

If Indiana gets in while losing to Ohio State, I think the blueprint is there.

1. Have a decent team.
2. Schedule nobody in the non-conference. Remember they bought out the Louisville game they had scheduled.
3. Have a conference schedule in one of these new mega conferences where you miss most or all of the best teams and beat the lower level teams.

Personally, I would not reward a team sitting on the fence that schedules so poorly out of conference. You can't control the conference schedule but if you happen to have a really bad one and don't beat any quality teams, and didn't play any out of conference, I don't think that should be rewarded. If it is, we're going to see some really boring Septembers in college football in the near future because if all that matters is wins then there is no incentive to play decent competition.

Reminds me of qualifying for the NCAA tournament and the Quad wins. The value of your opponents and wins matter. They should in football as well. When a team is on the bubble in February and March, beating the last place team on your homecourt doesn't move you. It shouldn't in football either.

That said, I think it's absurd that any conference should get more than 2 teams in the playoffs. Certainly not 4. The conference season should determine who the best teams are in each conference. If that's impossible because we now barely play half the other teams in the Big Ten and SEC each year, that's too bad for those conferences. Find a better format or way to determine your champion.

Of course that's exactly why the new playoff format skipped right from 4 teams, over the logical number of 8, and directly to 12. The Big Ten and SEC run the show now and want to flood the field with 3/4 teams each for money. Just a terrible setup from the start. I don't care to watch SEC football in the regular season and I certainly don't care to watch them rematch in the playoffs. And you know when Indiana and Penn State should play? During the conference season. Then one of them would have a quality win and we would know who belongs in the playoffs.

 

[POTFHBTFU]

If Indiana gets in while losing to Ohio State, I think the blueprint is there.

1. Have a decent team.
2. Schedule nobody in the non-conference. Remember they bought out the Louisville game they had scheduled.
3. Have a conference schedule in one of these new mega conferences where you miss most or all of the best teams and beat the lower level teams.

Personally, I would not reward a team sitting on the fence that schedules so poorly out of conference. You can't control the conference schedule but if you happen to have a really bad one and don't beat any quality teams, and didn't play any out of conference, I don't think that should be rewarded. If it is, we're going to see some really boring Septembers in college football in the near future because if all that matters is wins then there is no incentive to play decent competition.

Reminds me of qualifying for the NCAA tournament and the Quad wins. The value of your opponents and wins matter. They should in football as well. When a team is on the bubble in February and March, beating the last place team on your homecourt doesn't move you. It shouldn't in football either.

That said, I think it's absurd that any conference should get more than 2 teams in the playoffs. Certainly not 4. The conference season should determine who the best teams are in each conference. If that's impossible because we now barely play half the other teams in the Big Ten and SEC each year, that's too bad for those conferences. Find a better format or way to determine your champion.

Of course that's exactly why the new playoff format skipped right from 4 teams, over the logical number of 8, and directly to 12. The Big Ten and SEC run the show now and want to flood the field with 3/4 teams each for money. Just a terrible setup from the start. I don't care to watch SEC football in the regular season and I certainly don't care to watch them rematch in the playoffs. And you know when Indiana and Penn State should play? During the conference season. Then one of them would have a quality win and we would know who belongs in the playoffs.

Agree. There are seven at large teams and Notre dame will get one. sec probably deserves at least 3 of them, if we created quad 1 wins it would be obvious. I think you may see an at large vultured by the ACC (Miami, SMU, Clemson) or B12 (BYU, Colorado). Likely though sec will do well as there are 5 sec teams in the top 11 and none of them play each other. If indiana loses and it’s not close Saturday I don’t see how they can stay ahead of those 5 especially if Texas goes and beats A&M.

Let’s just say for the sake of argument quad 1 win is top 15 at home, top 30 neutral, top 45 road, IU would have no quad 1 wins per Sagarin. I know I will be accused of cherry picking but the numbers are lower since there are fewer D1 football teams. It’s hard to be much lower than 100 in Sagarin (Purdue and Stanford are only p4 teams that are). Tennessee is 2-1 with wins vs Oklahoma and Alabama and a road loss to Arkansas who is better than anyone indiana has beat on the road.

 

[Wolegib]

I’ve said it before. The only people who care about strength of schedule is about 5 people in this forum. NOBODY ELSE CARES.

To everyone else, a win is a win! And the fans are happy!

Indiana’s current rating is based on wins, not some dumb statistical Ken Pom rating based on quadrants! The only people who care about all that stats junk are fantasy football players and stats professors .

Look at Ohio st, Texas and Alabama and their non conference opponents! They have Enough tough conference opponents they don’t need tough non conference opponents!

So it’s time to get over all your strength of schedule and this team isn’t as strong as its ratings crap. Nobody cares.

As for Purdue, they couldn’t even win the games their statistical formula said they were favored to win.

All these formulas are meaningless. All that counts is the win. Just ask Marquette’s basketball team who was the better statistical team and who won!

 

[iubhounds]

The change in the non conference schedule was made by Tom Allen trying to save his job. Unless things change for 2025 their non conference schedule next year is just as sad. I do know they have tried to schedule other P4 mid level teams and have been turned down because those P4 teams "we have too tough of a conference schedule to play another (now P4 this year) team. That is also the reason UK dropped the IU football game years ago after the SEC went to an 8 game schedule.

 

[Akerphin]

If Indiana gets in while losing to Ohio State, I think the blueprint is there.

1. Have a decent team.
2. Schedule nobody in the non-conference. Remember they bought out the Louisville game they had scheduled.
3. Have a conference schedule in one of these new mega conferences where you miss most or all of the best teams and beat the lower level teams.

Personally, I would not reward a team sitting on the fence that schedules so poorly out of conference. You can't control the conference schedule but if you happen to have a really bad one and don't beat any quality teams, and didn't play any out of conference, I don't think that should be rewarded. If it is, we're going to see some really boring Septembers in college football in the near future because if all that matters is wins then there is no incentive to play decent competition.

Reminds me of qualifying for the NCAA tournament and the Quad wins. The value of your opponents and wins matter. They should in football as well. When a team is on the bubble in February and March, beating the last place team on your homecourt doesn't move you. It shouldn't in football either.

That said, I think it's absurd that any conference should get more than 2 teams in the playoffs. Certainly not 4. The conference season should determine who the best teams are in each conference. If that's impossible because we now barely play half the other teams in the Big Ten and SEC each year, that's too bad for those conferences. Find a better format or way to determine your champion.

Of course that's exactly why the new playoff format skipped right from 4 teams, over the logical number of 8, and directly to 12. The Big Ten and SEC run the show now and want to flood the field with 3/4 teams each for money. Just a terrible setup from the start. I don't care to watch SEC football in the regular season and I certainly don't care to watch them rematch in the playoffs. And you know when Indiana and Penn State should play? During the conference season. Then one of them would have a quality win and we would know who belongs in the playoffs.

Saban and (I think) Rece Davis said on Game Day Nov 16th that with IU's 100th -rated schedule strength, if they get their clocks cleaned by OSU then they would not be worthy of an at-large 12 berth. No argument here!

 

[Akerphin]

SOS means everything when slotting teams.

 

[Middawg]

Saban and (I think) Rece Davis said on Game Day Nov 16th that with IU's 100th -rated schedule strength, if they get their clocks cleaned by OSU then they would not be worthy of an at-large 12 berth. No argument here!

That's ESPN's SoS metric which is rooted in preseason rankings and their very heavy SEC bias to promote their SEC business partner.

Indiana's Sagarin SoS is very comparable to Notre Dame and the other teams that people shout about not playing anybody like Texas, Penn St., and Miami.

It hurts Indiana the most that we ripped out Nebraska's soul and they are winless since, after starting out 5-1.

 

[TC4THREE]

I’ve said it before. The only people who care about strength of schedule is about 5 people in this forum. NOBODY ELSE CARES.

To everyone else, a win is a win! And the fans are happy!

Indiana’s current rating is based on wins, not some dumb statistical Ken Pom rating based on quadrants! The only people who care about all that stats junk are fantasy football players and stats professors .

Look at Ohio st, Texas and Alabama and their non conference opponents! They have Enough tough conference opponents they don’t need tough non conference opponents!

So it’s time to get over all your strength of schedule and this team isn’t as strong as its ratings crap. Nobody cares.

As for Purdue, they couldn’t even win the games their statistical formula said they were favored to win.

All these formulas are meaningless. All that counts is the win. Just ask Marquette’s basketball team who was the better statistical team and who won!

Explain FSU getting left out last year then.

You are a moron.

 

[TC4THREE]

FWIW I'm not sure ND is any more worthy of a spot than IU. Probably less so. They haven't beaten anyone and have the NIU loss. I think if they drop one of their last two they will not get in which is what I'm hoping for.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

FWIW I'm not sure ND is any more worthy of a spot than IU. Probably less so. They haven't beaten anyone and have the NIU loss. I think if they drop one of their last two they will not get in which is what I'm hoping for.

Frankly, when they went to 12, it just poured more cash for the SEC/Big Ten cartel to work with.....I would hasten to wager there are more back-door deals then there were with Jordan Lee, Merilee Stone, Andy Bradley, and Cliff Barnes waiting for J.R. to fleece them.

 

[POTFHBTFU]

I’ve said it before. The only people who care about strength of schedule is about 5 people in this forum. NOBODY ELSE CARES.

To everyone else, a win is a win! And the fans are happy!

Indiana’s current rating is based on wins, not some dumb statistical Ken Pom rating based on quadrants! The only people who care about all that stats junk are fantasy football players and stats professors .

Look at Ohio st, Texas and Alabama and their non conference opponents! They have Enough tough conference opponents they don’t need tough non conference opponents!

So it’s time to get over all your strength of schedule and this team isn’t as strong as its ratings crap. Nobody cares.

As for Purdue, they couldn’t even win the games their statistical formula said they were favored to win.

All these formulas are meaningless. All that counts is the win. Just ask Marquette’s basketball team who was the better statistical team and who won!

Everyone cares about it and so do the decision makers, ask florida state. Dude it was a fun discussion about using some metric WHICH IS THE SAME THEY USE FOR SEEDING TOURNEY IN BASKEBRALL. It’s not just for fantasy junkies it’s THE process for basketball and if they applied to football it would reward teams that schedule tough games and not teams that cancel losable games to run up their wins.

 

[POTFHBTFU]

FWIW I'm not sure ND is any more worthy of a spot than IU. Probably less so. They haven't beaten anyone and have the NIU loss. I think if they drop one of their last two they will not get in which is what I'm hoping for.

The question is a one loss indiana vs a one loss Notre same as this is all assuming nd loses Saturday. Notre dam beat A&M on the road, Louisville, and I’ll even count navy as a good win. Nothing would make my thanksgiving more joy than a trifecta, Purdue upsetting indiana and me losing to USC and neither of those two getting in.

 

[Akerphin]

Some handy. reference material for the gang.

Latest ESPN SoS, rated teams:

133 - ARMY
106 - IU
100-UNLV
96-Tulane
86-SMU
82-DomeHeads
77-Boise St.
74-Colorado
72-Iowa State
67-Arizona State
54-Miami
53-BYU
46-Clemson - CFP Ranking: 12
43-Oregon CFP Ranking: No. 1
38-Texas - CFP Ranking: No. 3
35-Penn State CFP Ranking: No. 4
29-Mississippi - CFP Ranking: No. 9
28-Ohio State - CFP Ranking: No. 2
24-Texas A&M - CFP Ranking: No. 15
23-Illinois - CFP Ranking: No. 25
21-Missouri - CFP Ranking: No. 23
17-Tennessee - CFP Ranking: No. 11
16-Alabama - CFP Ranking: No. 7
8-South Carolina - CFP Ranking: No. 18
1-Georgia CFP Ranking: No. 10

Purdue's SoS is 7.

 

[iubhounds]

Explain FSU getting left out last year then.

You are a moron.

FSU was left out for playing in a weak ACC plus losing their QB for the season. After the playoff teams were announced for the final time a committee member did say that FSU losing their QB for the season was a factor in their decision.

 

[iubhounds]

The question is a one loss indiana vs a one loss Notre same as this is all assuming nd loses Saturday. Notre dam beat A&M on the road, Louisville, and I’ll even count navy as a good win. Nothing would make my thanksgiving more joy than a trifecta, Purdue upsetting indiana and me losing to USC and neither of those two getting in.

USC will beat ND in Los Angeles.

 

[iubhounds]

Some handy. reference material for the gang.

Latest ESPN SoS, rated teams:

133 - ARMY
106 - IU
100-UNLV
96-Tulane
86-SMU
82-DomeHeads
77-Boise St.
74-Colorado
72-Iowa State
67-Arizona State
54-Miami
53-BYU
46-Clemson - CFP Ranking: 12
43-Oregon CFP Ranking: No. 1
38-Texas - CFP Ranking: No. 3
35-Penn State CFP Ranking: No. 4
29-Mississippi - CFP Ranking: No. 9
28-Ohio State - CFP Ranking: No. 2
24-Texas A&M - CFP Ranking: No. 15
23-Illinois - CFP Ranking: No. 25
21-Missouri - CFP Ranking: No. 23
17-Tennessee - CFP Ranking: No. 11
16-Alabama - CFP Ranking: No. 7
8-South Carolina - CFP Ranking: No. 18
1-Georgia CFP Ranking: No. 10

Purdue's SoS is 7.

You list Purdue's SoS is 7 ... you know why? It is the same reason that IU's USE BE SO LOW ... because they couldn't win a game and most of their opponents in the B1G East were OSU, scUM, PSU and MSU whom they played annually.

 

[TC4THREE]

You list Purdue's SoS is 7 ... you know why? It is the same reason that IU's USE BE SO LOW ... because they couldn't win a game and most of their opponents in the B1G East were OSU, scUM, PSU and MSU whom they played annually.

IU always made up for playing in the big ten East by scheduling crap out of conference. Tradition appears to continue.

 

[iubhounds]

IU always made up for playing in the big ten East by scheduling crap out of conference. Tradition appears to continue.

they beat the teams on their schedule. See you in a couple of weeks. Did you have to play scUM, OSU and PSU in back to back weeks? My memory sucks most of the time but I don't think you did.

 

[TC4THREE]

they beat the teams on their schedule. See you in a couple of weeks. Did you have to play scUM, OSU and PSU in back to back weeks? My memory sucks most of the time but I don't think you did.

Not sure what year you're talking about.

 

[Bank Shot Podcast]

If Indiana gets in while losing to Ohio State, I think the blueprint is there.

1. Have a decent team.
2. Schedule nobody in the non-conference. Remember they bought out the Louisville game they had scheduled.
3. Have a conference schedule in one of these new mega conferences where you miss most or all of the best teams and beat the lower level teams.

Personally, I would not reward a team sitting on the fence that schedules so poorly out of conference. You can't control the conference schedule but if you happen to have a really bad one and don't beat any quality teams, and didn't play any out of conference, I don't think that should be rewarded. If it is, we're going to see some really boring Septembers in college football in the near future because if all that matters is wins then there is no incentive to play decent competition.

Reminds me of qualifying for the NCAA tournament and the Quad wins. The value of your opponents and wins matter. They should in football as well. When a team is on the bubble in February and March, beating the last place team on your homecourt doesn't move you. It shouldn't in football either.

That said, I think it's absurd that any conference should get more than 2 teams in the playoffs. Certainly not 4. The conference season should determine who the best teams are in each conference. If that's impossible because we now barely play half the other teams in the Big Ten and SEC each year, that's too bad for those conferences. Find a better format or way to determine your champion.

Of course that's exactly why the new playoff format skipped right from 4 teams, over the logical number of 8, and directly to 12. The Big Ten and SEC run the show now and want to flood the field with 3/4 teams each for money. Just a terrible setup from the start. I don't care to watch SEC football in the regular season and I certainly don't care to watch them rematch in the playoffs. And you know when Indiana and Penn State should play? During the conference season. Then one of them would have a quality win and we would know who belongs in the playoffs.

Yea Indiana should just keep scheduling bad conference teams every year. There is really no use for Indiana or any Big Ten team to schedule any out of conference games against P4 teams. Oh Georgia scheduled Clemson and Georgia Tech? Cool they also scheduled UMass and Tennessee Tech. Georgia just did the equivalent of playing 9 conference games and scheduling a P4 team. It really makes no difference. Now will Indiana change that? Maybe. That's the only reason they scheduled with UofL to begin with was because they felt the program was going to be better(forgetting Tom Allen was still around). Schedule 3 cupcakes because most years you're still playing a few good teams in a 9 game conference schedule.

 

[Bank Shot Podcast]

IU always made up for playing in the big ten East by scheduling crap out of conference. Tradition appears to continue.

Indiana always scheduled teams Wake Forest and Virginia for awhile. But it never really made any sense for the program. They even played Mizzou in 13 and 14. Actually beat a ranked Mizzou on the road in 14. But a program that is normally trying to find 6 wins like needles in a haystack, it doesn't make sense to make it more difficult on yourself.

 

[PaBoiler78]

USC will beat ND in Los Angeles.

doubt this , but USC should have won their game vs psu but the refs contributed to USC's loss

 

[TC4THREE]

Indiana always scheduled teams Wake Forest and Virginia for awhile. But it never really made any sense for the program. They even played Mizzou in 13 and 14. Actually beat a ranked Mizzou on the road in 14. But a program that is normally trying to find 6 wins like needles in a haystack, it doesn't make sense to make it more difficult on yourself.

Agree. I get why they schedule like that. I don't like it myself but there are many Purdue fans on this board that would schedule three easy wins for us (assuming such a thing even exists) if they had their way.

But I don't think you should be able to have it both ways. Take the easy wins but if you happen to have a year like you're having then don't throw your hands up and pretend like the schedule is out of your control.

IU should just win tomorrow and put this whole conversation to rest.

 

[Akerphin]

You list Purdue's SoS is 7 ... you know why? It is the same reason that IU's USE BE SO LOW ... because they couldn't win a game and most of their opponents in the B1G East were OSU, scUM, PSU and MSU whom they played annually.

Huh?

 

[iubhounds]

doubt this , but USC should have won their game vs psu but the refs contributed to USC's loss

You know how B1G refs are when certain teams have to win. I have seen it to much and for too long or then not to a factor.

 

[iubhounds]

Huh?

I can't explain it to you. But I'll try I guess. You say Purdue's SoS is 7th ?? Well one, you are losing, which has no factor in the SoS, I know that. But every team you are playing is winning. Just like before this year when IU played in the B1G East they had a great SoS because they played OSU, PSU, MSU and UM every year .... I just went to Sagarin and he has IU 77 and you at 7 ... because you have played 4 teams in HIS top 30 ... IU has played 0 top 30 teams.

And, I don't care. If Urban Meyer as IU is a good football no matter who they played then I agree with him. He knows more football than I have ever thought about. I do think IU is a good team, they cannot do anything about it when teams they beat can't seem to win enough games to raise their SoS.

Before the season started it was like this ...

IU’s schedule at the beginning of the year had The National Champion, The NC runner up, OSU, 8-5 NW, and 8-5 Maryland and a UCLA game to time zones away.

They were never favored in any of those games and in fact was to win 1 B1G game, place 17th and only 2 of their 3 NON C games.

If they end up losing to OSU, fine .. they end up 11-1 and we may or may not be in the CFP ...

 

[Chi-Boiler]

I can't explain it to you. But I'll try I guess. You say Purdue's SoS is 7th ?? Well one, you are losing, which has no factor in the SoS, I know that. But every team you are playing is winning. Just like before this year when IU played in the B1G East they had a great SoS because they played OSU, PSU, MSU and UM every year .... I just went to Sagarin and he has IU 77 and you at 7 ... because you have played 4 teams in HIS top 30 ... IU has played 0 top 30 teams.

Normal calculations of SOS do not include what you're talking about.