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IU/Purdue Game Lineups

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With basketball season approaching, I've been looking over the schedule trying to envision how we'd match up with different teams. Now, I've said before that I think IU will be good this year but that I don't think Purdue is a good matchup for us (just like last year.) What I've been curious about, however, is whether or not Painter will play Swanigan and Hammons next to each other for significant minutes against IU.

It seems like an obvious answer, but it's an interesting matchup if you think about it. IU's lineup, barring injury, will most likely be Ferrell/Blackmon/Johnson/Williams/Bryant. Looking at that lineup, it's not hard to see how IU intends to play. I'm expecting it to be similar to the IU team that started Ferrell/Hulls/Oladipo/Sheehey/Zeller. Bryant doesn't run like Zeller but he does run the floor well for his size.

Now, obviously Purdue holds the edge if they can slow the game down and work through the paint. On the other hand, if IU can create turnovers the way they did with the Zeller team, I'm not sure playing Swanigan/Hammons next to each other is an advantage. I know Swanigan has been working on his conditioning, but I highly doubt he can run with Williams. And there are the shot clock changes to take into consideration as well.

So, my question is, what lineup do you think Purdue will go with and will the Purdue backcourt be able to control the pace if IU plays defense like they did a couple years ago.
 
The bigger question to me is... Can Bryant & Williams hang with Hammons and Swanigan? I'm thinking nah. I agree Williams is hard to handle, but Biggie works hard to be the best, and I think he'll be ready by Feb 20.
 
I don't think there's really any question regarding Hammons/Bryant. Bryant is gonna have a rough night in the post. I think the Swanigan/Williams is interesting because it looks like a mismatch for both teams. Williams has been showing a seemingly much improved shot from the perimeter and should be able to stretch the floor. He also has the edge in athleticism. Swanigan obviously holds the edge on the block.

Fwiw, Bryant has shown the ability to step out to the three point line. Imo, that's what IU would have to do to win (in addition to creating turnovers.) If we can't get Swanigan/Hammons out of the paint it'll be another long night.
 
I don't think there's really any question regarding Hammons/Bryant. Bryant is gonna have a rough night in the post. I think the Swanigan/Williams is interesting because it looks like a mismatch for both teams. Williams has been showing a seemingly much improved shot from the perimeter and should be able to stretch the floor. He also has the edge in athleticism. Swanigan obviously holds the edge on the block.

Fwiw, Bryant has shown the ability to step out to the three point line. Imo, that's what IU would have to do to win (in addition to creating turnovers.) If we can't get Swanigan/Hammons out of the paint it'll be another long night.
I'm just speculating at this point, but it is possible that Hammons will guard Williams and Swanigan will guard Bryant. It worked pretty well last year when Hammons guarded Williams.
 
Wow, a civil IU fan. What a treat. Let me get my smartass comment out of the way first.

The IU/Purdue game is so far away, that it's plenty of time for one of IU's players to get arrested or suspended for drugs or alcohol.

I'm only busting your testicles.

Honestly, Bryant as a freshman will have his work cut out for him trying to contain Hammonds, Haas (you forgot about him), and Swanigan. Because of the lack of depth in your front court, foul trouble against Purdue is going to severely handicap you guys. It's not the size of our front court that you have to worry about. It's the depth that most teams can't match up against.
 
Wow, a civil IU fan. What a treat. Let me get my smartass comment out of the way first.

The IU/Purdue game is so far away, that it's plenty of time for one of IU's players to get arrested or suspended for drugs or alcohol.

I'm only busting your testicles.

Honestly, Bryant as a freshman will have his work cut out for him trying to contain Hammonds, Haas (you forgot about him), and Swanigan. Because of the lack of depth in your front court, foul trouble against Purdue is going to severely handicap you guys. It's not the size of our front court that you have to worry about. It's the depth that most teams can't match up against.

Purdue won't be able to match up with Tommy. He's going to draw up some plays like in the waterboy. We're going to fake the screen. No, we're going to fake the fake. Wait, we're going to pretend to fake.

Oh boy, I don't know if I can make it through this season...
 
I would specualte that Vince will guard Williams. He is 6'8" and quick & athletic like Williams. He is also an experienced defender. I expect to see RayDay on JBJ, and a variety of players on Yogi. I will bet that Painter lets Yogi get his baskets and trys to isolate Yogi from easily passing to the rest of his team.

Purdue will guard the 3-pt line closely, which will allow IU to drive the lane. Hammons and company will stay home and try to alter those shots. I think the key will be to force IU to take contested 2-pt shots, and not allow them to bomb away from the 3-pt line.

On offense, I expect IU to pack the middle and denigh the entry pass to Biggie or Hammons. If the ball gets in, IU will let the big guys score uncontested, to keep from accumulating too many fouls. IU should dare Purdue to shoot from the outside. That is how X beat us, and I expect to see the same strategy used until we prove we can shoot.

By the time we play IU, I think Stephens & Mathias will have have proved they can shoot, or not. They have the potential and the credentials to shoot lights-out). If they are shooting well, we could bury IU. If they continue to struggle, the game will be close. Purdue's outside shooting is the aspect of the game that will swing the advantage one way or the other, IMHO.

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I think the game will look a lot like last year. I'm not really worried about Williams single handedly beating us. I'm sure he will get his but this year is going to be even more difficult for any team to get quality looks against us in the paint. There is just so much size, strength, depth and shot blocking ability. If yogi and jbj don't shoot about 50% from 3 then I think Purdue cruises. Like you said, it's not that iu is bad, but Purdue just exposes all the weaknesses with superior interior depth and talent and good perimeter defense.
 
I would specualte that Vince will guard Williams. He is 6'8" and quick & athletic like Williams. He is also an experienced defender. I expect to see RayDay on JBJ, and a variety of players on Yogi. I will bet that Painter lets Yogi get his baskets and trys to isolate Yogi from easily passing to the rest of his team.

Purdue will guard the 3-pt line closely, which will allow IU to drive the lane. Hammons and company will stay home and try to alter those shots. I think the key will be to force IU to take contested 2-pt shots, and not allow them to bomb away from the 3-pt line.

On offense, I expect IU to pack the middle and denigh the entry pass to Biggie or Hammons. If the ball gets in, IU will let the big guys score uncontested, to keep from accumulating too many fouls. IU should dare Purdue to shoot from the outside. That is how X beat us, and I expect to see the same strategy used until we prove we can shoot.

By the time we play IU, I think Stephens & Mathias will have have proved they can shoot, or not. They have the potential and the credentials to shoot lights-out). If they are shooting well, we could bury IU. If they continue to struggle, the game will be close. Purdue's outside shooting is the aspect of the game that will swing the advantage one way or the other, IMHO.

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I don't really like the idea of letting Purdue beat "us" from the outside either. That seems like a bad idea. Cline, Mathias and Stevens are plenty capable of hitting open shots by the bunches.
 
I would specualte that Vince will guard Williams. He is 6'8" and quick & athletic like Williams. He is also an experienced defender. I expect to see RayDay on JBJ, and a variety of players on Yogi. I will bet that Painter lets Yogi get his baskets and trys to isolate Yogi from easily passing to the rest of his team.

Purdue will guard the 3-pt line closely, which will allow IU to drive the lane. Hammons and company will stay home and try to alter those shots. I think the key will be to force IU to take contested 2-pt shots, and not allow them to bomb away from the 3-pt line.

On offense, I expect IU to pack the middle and denigh the entry pass to Biggie or Hammons. If the ball gets in, IU will let the big guys score uncontested, to keep from accumulating too many fouls. IU should dare Purdue to shoot from the outside. That is how X beat us, and I expect to see the same strategy used until we prove we can shoot.

By the time we play IU, I think Stephens & Mathias will have have proved they can shoot, or not. They have the potential and the credentials to shoot lights-out). If they are shooting well, we could bury IU. If they continue to struggle, the game will be close. Purdue's outside shooting is the aspect of the game that will swing the advantage one way or the other, IMHO.

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If Vince guards Williams, who guards Johnson (assuming Swanigan is in the game)? I don't think that either Hammons or Swanigan can guard Johnson.
 
I don't really like the idea of letting Purdue beat "us" from the outside either. That seems like a bad idea. Cline, Mathias and Stevens are plenty capable of hitting open shots by the bunches.
Most games between talented teams (both are talented) fall into the "pick your poison" catagory. If you guard the 3-pt closely, you let the quicker team drive around you. If your front line players are a step slow, or the refs are picky, maybe you get too many fouls. Maybe if you drop back and stop the entry pass, and defend the drives, you can get killed by hot 3-pt shooting.

The coaches of both teams will look at the most current tendancies and make decisions about which poison they will try to live with. For me, based on where these teams were at the end of last season, I would dare Purdue to shoot it from the outside. I would disrupt the entry pass and try to knock Purdue's offensive strategy off its pins.

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Most games between talented teams (both are talented) fall into the "pick your poison" catagory. If you guard the 3-pt closely, you let the quicker team drive around you. If your front line players are a step slow, or the refs are picky, maybe you get too many fouls. Maybe if you drop back and stop the entry pass, and defend the drives, you can get killed by hot 3-pt shooting.

The coaches of both teams will look at the most current tendancies and make decisions about which poison they will try to live with. For me, based on where these teams were at the end of last season, I would dare Purdue to shoot it from the outside. I would disrupt the entry pass and try to knock Purdue's offensive strategy off its pins.

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There's certainly multiple options like you said. Being that the game is in Bloomington id prefer to make Hammons beat us. I know, he certainly can. But if the refs help us out, I think it could be our best option as I see it now.

Considering who our coach is, we will either need hot shooting or favorable refs to win the game.
 
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There's certainly multiple options like you said. Being that the game is in Bloomington id prefer to make Hammons beat us. I know, he certainly can. But if the refs help us out, I think it could be our best option as I see it now.

Considering who our coach is, we will either need hot shooting or favorable refs to win the game.
Wow. A realistic post about the officiating climate in bloomington. Never thought I would see the day :)
 
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Purdue won't be able to match up with Tommy. He's going to draw up some plays like in the waterboy. We're going to fake the screen. No, we're going to fake the fake. Wait, we're going to pretend to fake.

Oh boy, I don't know if I can make it through this season...
Easy to do when the coach is a fake, er, flake.
 
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There's certainly multiple options like you said. Being that the game is in Bloomington id prefer to make Hammons beat us. I know, he certainly can. But if the refs help us out, I think it could be our best option as I see it now.

Considering who our coach is, we will either need hot shooting or favorable refs to win the game.
I understand your perspective. The idea is that Hammons will miss 50%, and those he hits are only 2-pt. Whereas Stephhens & Mathias migh hit 40% from the 3-pt line.
  • So 20 shots from Hammons = 10 2 pt baskets = 20 points (Assumes no "and 1" with fouls)
  • Or, 20 shots from the backcourt = 8 3-pt baskets = 24 points
Your choice of poison works if Stephens and Mathias are hitting at a 40% rate. In which case, I agree with your thinking. On the other hand if Hammons is hitting 75% of his shots in close, then 20 shots = 15 2-pt baskets = 30 points.

IU's best chance is to run and score as much as possible, and try to run the opponent oout of the building.
 
I understand your perspective. The idea is that Hammons will miss 50%, and those he hits are only 2-pt. Whereas Stephhens & Mathias migh hit 40% from the 3-pt line.
  • So 20 shots from Hammons = 10 2 pt baskets = 20 points (Assumes no "and 1" with fouls)
  • Or, 20 shots from the backcourt = 8 3-pt baskets = 24 points
Your choice of poison works if Stephens and Mathias are hitting at a 40% rate. In which case, I agree with your thinking. On the other hand if Hammons is hitting 75% of his shots in close, then 20 shots = 15 2-pt baskets = 30 points.

IU's best chance is to run and score as much as possible, and try to run the opponent oout of the building.
Plus let's not forget the new rule changes like the shot clock. In a game like this, that could have a big impact.
 
Plus let's not forget the new rule changes like the shot clock. In a game like this, that could have a big impact.

That is an excellent point. I'm curious to see how that impacts the game this year. I'd like to say it helps inept coaches like Crean and hurts tacticians like Bo, but then again the truly great coaches will find a way to adapt.
 
The Zebras rule the day. I see a rematch in the B10 Tournament. We win that one going away.

One thing the arguements have missed is the rebounding edge which I assume will belong to Purdue in both games.
 
That is an excellent point. I'm curious to see how that impacts the game this year. I'd like to say it helps inept coaches like Crean and hurts tacticians like Bo, but then again the truly great coaches will find a way to adapt.
In the most simple thoughts it diminishes coaching and rewards athleticism and more specifically reduces post play and enhances guard play...all favoring improving IU. Arm bars not allowed on perimeter, but allowed inside... :)
 
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I think the game will look a lot like last year. I'm not really worried about Williams single handedly beating us. I'm sure he will get his but this year is going to be even more difficult for any team to get quality looks against us in the paint. There is just so much size, strength, depth and shot blocking ability. If yogi and jbj don't shoot about 50% from 3 then I think Purdue cruises. Like you said, it's not that iu is bad, but Purdue just exposes all the weaknesses with superior interior depth and talent and good perimeter defense.
I agree. I think we play it the same as last year. We will try to run the shooters off of the 3 point line and make players like Williams and Bryant beat us. I assume we will go at Bryant hard trying to draw fouls and allow Williams to attempt as many 3's as he likes.
I have no clue what IU will do on defense other then I expect a lot of zone. They won't be able to double AJ down low and if Bryant gets an early foul or two I expect them to press us hard for the remainder of the game.

The keys will be us hitting our deep attempts at a decent clip with Bryant on the game and them making a good amount of their 3's as well.

I honestly don't see how their bench can keep up with ours. In all likely hood we can run starters at thier bench as we have a pretty balanced roster and lots of options if one strategy fails to produce.

Haas should have a huge game because who on that team outside of Bryant has any chance of defending him?
 
I'm just speculating at this point, but it is possible that Hammons will guard Williams and Swanigan will guard Bryant. It worked pretty well last year when Hammons guarded Williams.

I would agree with this. But whether it be AJ or Biggie, whoever is defending Williams likely will never leave the paint....much like last year.
 
With basketball season approaching, I've been looking over the schedule trying to envision how we'd match up with different teams. Now, I've said before that I think IU will be good this year but that I don't think Purdue is a good matchup for us (just like last year.) What I've been curious about, however, is whether or not Painter will play Swanigan and Hammons next to each other for significant minutes against IU.

It seems like an obvious answer, but it's an interesting matchup if you think about it. IU's lineup, barring injury, will most likely be Ferrell/Blackmon/Johnson/Williams/Bryant. Looking at that lineup, it's not hard to see how IU intends to play. I'm expecting it to be similar to the IU team that started Ferrell/Hulls/Oladipo/Sheehey/Zeller. Bryant doesn't run like Zeller but he does run the floor well for his size.

Now, obviously Purdue holds the edge if they can slow the game down and work through the paint. On the other hand, if IU can create turnovers the way they did with the Zeller team, I'm not sure playing Swanigan/Hammons next to each other is an advantage. I know Swanigan has been working on his conditioning, but I highly doubt he can run with Williams. And there are the shot clock changes to take into consideration as well.

So, my question is, what lineup do you think Purdue will go with and will the Purdue backcourt be able to control the pace if IU plays defense like they did a couple years ago.
For Purdue, offense will be no problem, similar to last year. Purdue shot 65% from inside the arc at IU. Hammons and Haas went for 32 points between them. Purdue got half of the available offensive rebounds. Bryant is a big body, probably better than Perea, but still a freshman. He'll be in foul trouble early. And Williams hasn't really proven to have a clue on defense. Biggie will get him in foul trouble as well. Hammons, Haas and Swanigan will have a field day. Then Edwards can cut in for easy baskets and offensive rebounds.

Davis and Hill just need to pass the ball around a lot. Purdue almost lost at IU last year because they settled for 3-pointers that IU gave them and shot 11%, which foreshadowed Purdue's NCAA game loss vs Cincinnati. Purdue just needs to hit a respectable % from 3.

On defense, Purdue will switch on screens and keep Hammons inside. Biggie's a very intelligent player and won't lose track of Williams. Williams can get by him, but still will be bothered by Hammons. IU historically shoots much better at home, though. They're very confident and they'll hit shots. But Purdue just needs to make IU take contested shots and keep them under 50%, which is manageable. If Biggie gets abused, Purdue slides Edwards over and brings in a shooter off the bench.

I would expect Purdue to be favored, but the game can obviously swing on 3-point shooting by either team and Purdue's turnovers.
 
For Purdue, offense will be no problem, similar to last year. Purdue shot 65% from inside the arc at IU. Hammons and Haas went for 32 points between them. Purdue got half of the available offensive rebounds. Bryant is a big body, probably better than Perea, but still a freshman. He'll be in foul trouble early. And Williams hasn't really proven to have a clue on defense. Biggie will get him in foul trouble as well. Hammons, Haas and Swanigan will have a field day. Then Edwards can cut in for easy baskets and offensive rebounds.

Davis and Hill just need to pass the ball around a lot. Purdue almost lost at IU last year because they settled for 3-pointers that IU gave them and shot 11%, which foreshadowed Purdue's NCAA game loss vs Cincinnati. Purdue just needs to hit a respectable % from 3.

On defense, Purdue will switch on screens and keep Hammons inside. Biggie's a very intelligent player and won't lose track of Williams. Williams can get by him, but still will be bothered by Hammons. IU historically shoots much better at home, though. They're very confident and they'll hit shots. But Purdue just needs to make IU take contested shots and keep them under 50%, which is manageable. If Biggie gets abused, Purdue slides Edwards over and brings in a shooter off the bench.

I would expect Purdue to be favored, but the game can obviously swing on 3-point shooting by either team and Purdue's turnovers.

Good analysis. But, assuming no injuries, I don't see Purdue being favored in the game. It's still a rivalry game being played in Bloomington. With the crowd and the refs it will still be a tough game for Purdue, and likely not one they will be Vegas favorites.

On a neutral court, I would favor Purdue by 2-3.
 
A lot of good analysis in this thread. I'm interested to see how the game plays out because the matchups create a lot of different possibilities. I'm going to venture a guess from the IU perspective and say that we press the guards to create opportunities for turnovers. When the ball goes inside, the guards collapse and go for the strip. In all likelihood Bryant will be told to just stay vertical so that we can keep him in the game. If/when he gets beat, so be it. IU just needs to be pesky enough to make Swanigan/Hammmons/Haas kick the ball back to the guards and beat us from the perimeter.

On the offensive end, we'll have to try and pull the Purdue bigs out of the lane. A couple early three pointers from Williams/Bryant would go a long way toward accomplishing that. Our offensive is predicated on the drive and that just isn't going to work if we can't stretch the floor. We tried it last year and it was ugly. I hate when Crean puts 4, sometimes 5 players around the perimeter but I feel like it's almost a necessity with the size Purdue will have on the floor. I'm really hoping that strategy works, not only because it gives us a better chance at winning, but because it might force Purdue to rotate their bigs as opposed to playing them side by side. I'd really like to see the matchup a previous poster mentioned with Edwards replacing Swanigan against IU's starting lineup. I feel like that would be an exciting game.
 
Point guards win big games. IU has one of the best in the country and a good backup.
Purdue will not be favored to win this game. I do like Purdue and the problems they will cause with the height, but even UK (bigger than most NBA teams) couldn't win it all last year.
 
Point guards win big games. IU has one of the best in the country and a good backup.
Purdue will not be favored to win this game. I do like Purdue and the problems they will cause with the height, but even UK (bigger than most NBA teams) couldn't win it all last year.
Did I miss something? Did Okafer, Winston, Kaminsky, Decker, and Hayes skip the Final Four last year?
 
Point guards win big games. IU has one of the best in the country and a good backup.
Purdue will not be favored to win this game. I do like Purdue and the problems they will cause with the height, but even UK (bigger than most NBA teams) couldn't win it all last year.

That didn't work out too well for IU in last years game. I think if Purdue can shoot 30% from three to offset IU's shooting we will be fine.
 
That didn't work out too well for IU in last years game. I think if Purdue can shoot 30% from three to offset IU's shooting we will be fine.
This isn't last years team or the one a couple years ago that blasted Purdue.
JBJ and Johnson won't be freshmen and Yogi improves every year. That is some talented guards that can make a difference. Plus IF Bryant plays up to his hype, it will be nothing like last year.
Granted, we all know Purdue never gets the credit nationally that they deserve. Purdue will have a fine year and maybe finish ahead of IU, but I don't see Purdue winning this game.
 
This isn't last years team or the one a couple years ago that blasted Purdue.
JBJ and Johnson won't be freshmen and Yogi improves every year. That is some talented guards that can make a difference. Plus IF Bryant plays up to his hype, it will be nothing like last year.
Granted, we all know Purdue never gets the credit nationally that they deserve. Purdue will have a fine year and maybe finish ahead of IU, but I don't see Purdue winning this game.

One foul on Bryant and it will be exactly like last year. Except we will have Biggie.
I am also curious of a single big game that Yogi has won with his point guard skills?
I only remember missed shots such as the one against Purdue at IU and of course the Maryland game at Maryland.
 
Plus IF Bryant plays up to his hype, it will be nothing like last year.

Depends on WHOSE hype.

If it is the experts it could mean a closer game.

If it the IU fans, then they won't need no stinkin' team, Bryant will do it all himself.

WITH one arm tied behind his back!

AND his shoe laces tied together!!

WHILE kissing your sister!!!

AND your girlfriend!!!!

AND Tommy!!!!!

ALL on the mouth!!!!!!
 
Point guards win big games. IU has one of the best in the country and a good backup.
Purdue will not be favored to win this game. I do like Purdue and the problems they will cause with the height, but even UK (bigger than most NBA teams) couldn't win it all last year.

IU had that same all-everything PG last year. Purdue had some new kid. Just sayin'.
 
This isn't last years team or the one a couple years ago that blasted Purdue.
JBJ and Johnson won't be freshmen and Yogi improves every year. That is some talented guards that can make a difference. Plus IF Bryant plays up to his hype, it will be nothing like last year.
Granted, we all know Purdue never gets the credit nationally that they deserve. Purdue will have a fine year and maybe finish ahead of IU, but I don't see Purdue winning this game.

Wait. Is it point guards that decide the wins, or is it everyone else. I'll step back and let you argue it out with yourself. I won't take sides.
 
Point guards win big games. IU has one of the best in the country and a good backup.
Purdue will not be favored to win this game. I do like Purdue and the problems they will cause with the height, but even UK (bigger than most NBA teams) couldn't win it all last year.
In the last 20 years only 28% of the NCAA winning team had a first round point guard. Despite what people want to believe, NBA 4 men have been the position that has carried the winning team.
 
You mean like AJ against that new kid Cody and the 30 some point beat down at Mackey?
Or Ronnie Johnson was a better player than Yogi?

Drug-induced stupor? So much wrong with this post. That wasn't last year, brainiac. Cody wasn't a freshman when he played against AJ. AJ had a great game against Cody. LOL. But wait. Maybe you thought you were arguing with yourself when you responded to my post. You seem to do that quite a bit. Carry on. I'll leave you two alone.
 
You mean like AJ against that new kid Cody and the 30 some point beat down at Mackey?
Or Ronnie Johnson was a better player than Yogi?
Hopefully Yogi still has that game on DVR, because it will be the only win against Purdue he will be a part of.
 
In the last 20 years only 28% of the NCAA winning team had a first round point guard. Despite what people want to believe, NBA 4 men have been the position that has carried the winning team.
In the last 5 years, 3 times a point guard has been the mvp of the final four.
 
Drug-induced stupor? So much wrong with this post. That wasn't last year, brainiac. Cody wasn't a freshman when he played against AJ. AJ had a great game against Cody. LOL. But wait. Maybe you thought you were arguing with yourself when you responded to my post. You seem to do that quite a bit. Carry on. I'll leave you two alone.
I was talking about when Cody was a fresh and I believe AJ a sophomore.
Easy, I realize IU is Purdues Super Bowl, but IU try's to set the bar higher.
 
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