It's now 2021, does Painter get another extension?

[vilehoopster]

Okay, let’s project here a little; let’s assume it’s 2021 and the new AD is trying to decide whether or not to extend Painter’s contract or not.

Let’s assume that Painter, in the next five years to 2021 continues on at the level of success he has for the last 11 years here at Purdue. Now, I’m averaging 11 years into five years, but it pretty much works.

So let’s say over the next five seasons, Painter achieves….

· He makes four NCAA tournaments.

· But in that one down year, he comes in last or tied for last in the Big Ten (He has been 11th and also 12th in the 12 team Big Ten) in his 11 years here, so , on average, in five years, it should happen again.

· But one year in the next five years, he gets Purdue to a Sweet Sixteen

· Also, in one of these five years, he wins the Big Ten Tournament or ties (not win outright) for a Big Ten title.

· In two different years, he wins one NCAA game to get to the round of 32, then loses (This is being generous in Painter’s favor, especially the last five years but we’re looking at all 11 years)

· In another year, he loses the 1st game of the tourney, blowing a lead in the last minute (like Kansas, ALR, and Cincy).


So here’s my question: Are you happy with that? Do you give Painter another five years, or do you finally look elsewhere?

Personally, I would vote, HELL NO to that extension in 2021. I vote a less strong no to this one in 2016.

And if you give him another five years in 2021, do you gladly accept that and give him another five years in 2026, even though Purdue still hasn’t made a Final Four or even an Elite Eight? After 26 years of Painter mediocrity, will he then retire and become a legend? We can then have Painter Pavilion to go along side Keady Court to celebrate, what will by then, be over 50 years of Purdue not making a Final Four?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Kansas was a 2nd round NCAA loss, though I think your question is an interesting one.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Yes
We will still be trying to figure out football

 

[boilerzz]

A decision would have to be made before 2021 or recruiting will suffer. They'll have to make the call in three years.

 

[BBG]

A decision would have to be made before 2021 or recruiting will suffer. They'll have to make the call in three years.

This. If a coach is performing at an above average rate like Painter is currently, then they will get an extension more than likely.

 

[SIBoiler2]

If the Boilers continue to be a top 15-20 team, recruit good kids, graduate good kids and they stay out of jail, he gets an extension without question.

 

[TC4THREE]

Yes. Next time a longer extension though so your hypothetical can sound even more ridiculous in 3 years.

 

[PurdueCF12]

Love playing hypotheticals!

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Love playing hypotheticals!

OK. As long as we are playing hypotheticals, what if Purdue hires a mini Ditka as their new A.D.?

Would a mini Ditka sign painter to An extension?

 

[BBG]

Love playing hypotheticals!

Indeed. And hypothetically this thread stands a real chance to not get ugly!

 

[SIBoiler2]

OK. As long as we are playing hypotheticals, what if Purdue hires a mini Ditka as their new A.D.?

Would a mini Ditka sign painter to An extension?

Hypothetically this could never happen since the real Dicka is bigger than life and it is hypothetically impossible to downsize anything or anyone that is larger than life.

 

[nat100]

Hypothetically this could never happen since the real Dicka is bigger than life and it is hypothetically impossible to downsize anything or anyone that is larger than life.

Unfamiliar with the skit?

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

real Dicka is bigger than life

jigga what?

 

[DG10]

If the Boilers continue to be a top 15-20 team, recruit good kids, graduate good kids and they stay out of jail, he gets an extension without question.

And people say the Purdue job is not appealing/attractive/desirable...

 

[DG10]

This. If a coach is performing at an above average rate like Painter is currently, then they will get an extension more than likely.

Just out of curiosity, "above average rate" in what regard(s)?

 

[DG10]

Okay, let’s project here a little; let’s assume it’s 2021 and the new AD is trying to decide whether or not to extend Painter’s contract or not.

Let’s assume that Painter, in the next five years to 2021 continues on at the level of success he has for the last 11 years here at Purdue. Now, I’m averaging 11 years into five years, but it pretty much works.

So let’s say over the next five seasons, Painter achieves….

· He makes four NCAA tournaments.

· But in that one down year, he comes in last or tied for last in the Big Ten (He has been 11th and also 12th in the 12 team Big Ten) in his 11 years here, so , on average, in five years, it should happen again.

· But one year in the next five years, he gets Purdue to a Sweet Sixteen

· Also, in one of these five years, he wins the Big Ten Tournament or ties (not win outright) for a Big Ten title.

· In two different years, he wins one NCAA game to get to the round of 32, then loses (This is being generous in Painter’s favor, especially the last five years but we’re looking at all 11 years)

· In another year, he loses the 1st game of the tourney, blowing a lead in the last minute (like Kansas, ALR, and Cincy).


So here’s my question: Are you happy with that? Do you give Painter another five years, or do you finally look elsewhere?

Personally, I would vote, HELL NO to that extension in 2021. I vote a less strong no to this one in 2016.

And if you give him another five years in 2021, do you gladly accept that and give him another five years in 2026, even though Purdue still hasn’t made a Final Four or even an Elite Eight? After 26 years of Painter mediocrity, will he then retire and become a legend? We can then have Painter Pavilion to go along side Keady Court to celebrate, what will by then, be over 50 years of Purdue not making a Final Four?

Skipping the entire hypothetical(s)...and someone else alluded to it already below in the chain...the decision to extend will need to be made again in three years if the sole basis of/for it remains the same.

 

[CRBoiler]

First of all, I'd say making the NCAA tournament 80% of the time is fairly impressive. I doubt there are all that many schools that have achieved that in the past 10 years or since 1939 for that matter. If someone has such stats available, please share.

And the one down year mentioned in the hypothetical scenario isn't all that bothering. The vast majority of schools will have the occasional down year.

Here's what I'd like to see: a chance to win a NC. I'll define that by Purdue being a 1 or 2 seed in the tournament, because it is relatively infrequent that a 3 seed or worse wins it all (one website said around 10 times that has happened since 1939). We should have had that chance the season when the BB's were juniors & Kramer/Grant were seniors, but then the Hummel ACL tragedy occurred.

I'd say if Purdue has not been a 1 or 2 seed in the tourney at least once in the next 5 years, it will be time to reevaluate Painter as HC because he will have had a LOT of time by then to make it happen.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

OK. As long as we are playing hypotheticals, what if Purdue hires a mini Ditka as their new A.D.?

Would a mini Ditka sign painter to An extension?

Da......Boilers!

 

[Do Dah Day]

· He makes four NCAA tournaments.

· But in that one down year, he comes in last or tied for last in the Big Ten (He has been 11th and also 12th in the 12 team Big Ten) in his 11 years here, so , on average, in five years, it should happen again.

· But one year in the next five years, he gets Purdue to a Sweet Sixteen

· Also, in one of these five years, he wins the Big Ten Tournament or ties (not win outright) for a Big Ten title.

· In two different years, he wins one NCAA game to get to the round of 32, then loses (This is being generous in Painter’s favor, especially the last five years but we’re looking at all 11 years)

· In another year, he loses the 1st game of the tourney, blowing a lead in the last minute (like Kansas, ALR, and Cincy).

Looking at this in three years as has been stated above and using perfectly clear crystal balls,

· He makes three NCAA tournaments. --- ALMOST A CERTAINTY - RECRUITED AND EXISTING PLAYERS WILL NOT FAIL TO ACHIEVE THIS.

· But in that one down year, he comes in last or tied for last in the Big Ten (He has been 11th and also 12th in the 12 team Big Ten) in his 11 years here, so , on average, in five years, it should happen again. --- NO DOWN YEAR IN THE NEXT 3 YEARS - PLAYERS WON'T ALLOW IT

So let’s say over the next five seasons, Painter achieves….

· He makes four NCAA tournaments. --- HE MAKES THREE IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS

· But in that one down year, he comes in last or tied for last in the Big Ten (He has been 11th and also 12th in the 12 team Big Ten) in his 11 years here, so , on average, in five years, it should happen again. --- THERE IS NO DOWN YEAR IN THE NEXT THREE

· But one year in the next five years, he gets Purdue to a Sweet Sixteen --- YES - SWEET 16 1 OF NEXT THREE YEARS

· Also, in one of these five years, he wins the Big Ten Tournament or ties (not win outright) for a Big Ten title. --- YES - BIGTEN CHAMPS 1 OF NEXT THREE YEARS

· In two different years, he wins one NCAA game to get to the round of 32, then loses (This is being generous in Painter’s favor, especially the last five years but we’re looking at all 11 years) --- YES - THE OTHER TWO YEARS (not sweet 16) PU WINS ONE NCAA GAME

· In another year, he loses the 1st game of the tourney, blowing a lead in the last minute (like Kansas, ALR, and Cincy). --- NOT HAPPENING IN NEXT THREE YEARS

OK, NOW ... EXTENSION TIME??????

 

[vilehoopster]

A couple points --

1st of all, I know that Kansas was in the second round. If you can remember, the bracket broke wide open and easy. That year, more than probably any in Painter's 11 years, was his chance to get to a Final Four. But my point about that game is we choked away a lead in the final minute to lose an NCAA game.

Second - can we get off the extensions for recruiting. That is not the point of my question. What I'm asking is this: Are you okay with the level of success that Painter has achieved in the last 11 years? Are you willing to let him go on indefinitely achieving at the level he's been achieving, or after a while, Do we as Purdue fans eventually insist on success in the NCAA tourney?

To the guy who said as long as we "continue to be a top 15 - 20 team" all is fine with Painter. Well, we are not a top 15-20 team". You're using an argument in Painter's favor that isn't true. Purdue has only been a top 15 to 20 team one time in the last five years, One time in five, and that was this past season, and barely.

Purdue was a 5-seed; so that means we were somewhere between the 16th to 20 best team in the nation, and after ALR, I don't think we were seen as a top-20 team

Two years ago - a 9-seed: that's a 33 thru 36 team, not top 20

Three years - last in Big Ten - Did we make the top 20 that year?

Four years - lost in CBI - had a losing season -- almost top 20, right?

Five years - a 10 seed - so that 37 to 40, not top 20.

We are not a perennial top-20 team. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. If we were,LIKE WE SHOULD BE, I wouldn't be on here saying it's time to try someone else other than Painter.

 

[Kesselschmiede]

A couple points --

1st of all, I know that Kansas was in the second round. If you can remember, the bracket broke wide open and easy. That year, more than probably any in Painter's 11 years, was his chance to get to a Final Four. But my point about that game is we choked away a lead in the final minute to lose an NCAA game.

Second - can we get off the extensions for recruiting. That is not the point of my question. What I'm asking is this: Are you okay with the level of success that Painter has achieved in the last 11 years? Are you willing to let him go on indefinitely achieving at the level he's been achieving, or after a while, Do we as Purdue fans eventually insist on success in the NCAA tourney?

To the guy who said as long as we "continue to be a top 15 - 20 team" all is fine with Painter. Well, we are not a top 15-20 team". You're using an argument in Painter's favor that isn't true. Purdue has only been a top 15 to 20 team one time in the last five years, One time in five, and that was this past season, and barely.

Purdue was a 5-seed; so that means we were somewhere between the 16th to 20 best team in the nation, and after ALR, I don't think we were seen as a top-20 team

Two years ago - a 9-seed: that's a 33 thru 36 team, not top 20

Three years - last in Big Ten - Did we make the top 20 that year?

Four years - lost in CBI - had a losing season -- almost top 20, right?

Five years - a 10 seed - so that 37 to 40, not top 20.

We are not a perennial top-20 team. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. If we were,LIKE WE SHOULD BE, I wouldn't be on here saying it's time to try someone else other than Painter.

The fact of the matter is, if Painter were the coach but available you negatrons would be the first in line clamoring to hire Painter based off his record. That is a fact.

It is also why you shouldn't be suggesting coaching changes because you haven't the first clue about any of it. Painter is an above average coach. Fact. And the team has performed well for the majority of his term. Fact. The fact that he hasn't met your irrational emotional, self-entitled expectations is YOUR problem, not his or anyone else's.

I have little doubt that if your employer held you to the same emotional standards you are trying to hold Painter to, you would be whining at how unrealistic it is from the treetops. That I can guarantee.

 

[nat100]

The fact of the matter is, if Painter were the coach but available you negatrons would be the first in line clamoring to hire Painter based off his record. That is a fact.

It is also why you shouldn't be suggesting coaching changes because you haven't the first clue about any of it. Painter is an above average coach. Fact. And the team has performed well for the majority of his term. Fact. The fact that he hasn't met your irrational emotional, self-entitled expectations is YOUR problem, not his or anyone else's.

I have little doubt that if your employer held you to the same emotional standards you are trying to hold Painter to, you would be whining at how unrealistic it is from the treetops. That I can guarantee.

Performing well is a subjective measure. Hardly a fact

There are arguments on both sides. He does fine in the regular season then flames out in March. For some that is okay. For others it isn't.

He will have 3ish years now to improve or I wouldn't be surprised if a different decision is made.

 

[Kesselschmiede]

Performing well is a subjective measure. Hardly a fact

There are arguments on both sides. He does fine in the regular season then flames out in March. For some that is okay. For others it isn't.

He will have 3ish years now to improve or I wouldn't be surprised if a different decision is made.

Performing well isn't subjective when you have the ranking to back it up. Which Painter does. Fact.

If that trend continues over the next 3 years, no AD on the planet would replace him. Also a fact.

 

[nat100]

Performing well isn't subjective when you have the ranking to back it up. Which Painter does. Fact.

If that trend continues over the next 3 years, no AD on the planet would replace him. Also a fact.

Sure they would. No ad at Purdue ever would. Which is a sad fact.

You missed my point about postseason huh?

 

[Kesselschmiede]

You missed my point about postseason huh?

Didn't miss it at all. Just not claiming to have the ability to see what the future holds and instead am relying on what is happening now.

And no, no AD would. Fact. And Painter isn't doing bad enough to warrant getting fired anyway.

 

[BBG]

 

[nat100]

Didn't miss it at all. Just not claiming to have the ability to see what the future holds and instead am relying on what is happening now.

And no, no AD would. Fact. And Painter isn't doing bad enough to warrant getting fired anyway.

none of the blue bloods would have kept him.

I don't think he is going anywhere. Doesn't mean there isn't a valid argument for it

 

[Kesselschmiede]

none of the blue bloods would have kept him.

I don't think he is going anywhere. Doesn't mean there isn't a valid argument for it

Alright we can narrow it down that way if you want. But then again, Purdue isn't nor never will be most likely what you consider a blue blood.

And yes he isn't going anywhere and there isn't a valid argument for it anyway.

 

[nat100]

And yes he isn't going anywhere and there isn't a valid argument for it anyway.

Sure there is.

Let me ask a follow up. What are your thoughts on versyp?

 

[mathboy]

Sure there is.

Let me ask a follow up. What are your thoughts on versyp?

Take this to the other board, please. This is not about Purdue's Men's basketball. If you want to argue pointlessly about the women's coach, don't do it here.

 

[nat100]

Take this to the other board, please. This is not about Purdue's Men's basketball. If you want to argue pointlessly about the women's coach, don't do it here.

im aware of the board. It is a relevant question that establishes a baseline

 

[mathboy]

im aware of the board. It is a relevant question that establishes a baseline

Good, then I don't need to send you the URL.

I am not sure you will establish any sort of "baseline" with this pointless argument. Pointless about the "future Painter" or about Sharon Versyp.

 

[Dakota Girl]

OK. As long as we are playing hypotheticals, what if Purdue hires a mini Ditka as their new A.D.?

Would a mini Ditka sign Painter to An extension?

A mini Ditka AD wouldn't need coaches...or players. He would go undefeated in every sport all by himself while defeating the state of Rhoad Island in a war. This board would still try to fire him.

 

[Do Dah Day]

A mini Ditka AD wouldn't need coaches...or players. He would go undefeated in every sport all by himself while defeating the state of Rhoad Island in a war. This board would still try to fire him.

KaBAM!!!!!

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Performing well isn't subjective when you have the ranking to back it up. Which Painter does. Fact.

If that trend continues over the next 3 years, no AD on the planet would replace him. Also a fact.

The question is not how Painter compares to the coach at Clemson, Baylor, or Vanderbilt. The question is how is he doing versus successful Purdue coaches of the past.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Sure there is.

Let me ask a follow up. What are your thoughts on versyp?

i am curious on how the opinions of her and CMP compare and contrast here.

 

[nat100]

i am curious on how the opinions of her and CMP compare and contrast here.

At a high level, Their carreer achievement is similar. With versyp having more postseason success.

Most I know would like to see versyp gone. Same people think painter is doing well enough.

 

[PurdueCF12]

Performing well is a subjective measure. Hardly a fact

There are arguments on both sides. He does fine in the regular season then flames out in March. For some that is okay. For others it isn't.

He will have 3ish years now to improve or I wouldn't be surprised if a different decision is made.

People making the decisions don't think it's subjective. They put it as fact.

So, he is your coach for 6 more years. You can either support him or not, but either way, you have him for 6 more years.

I'd suggest trying to support him. It'll make you happier, unless you just want to stir things up.

 

[nat100]

People making the decisions don't think it's subjective. They put it as fact.

So, he is your coach for 6 more years. You can either support him or not, but either way, you have him for 6 more years.

I'd suggest trying to support him. It'll make you happier, unless you just want to stir things up.

There will be another decision in 3 years. This extension took it out of burkes hands and give the new ad time to fix football before evaluating basketball

 

[Gemini95]

Yes he does.. at Austin Peay or Pepperdine or wherever he is coaching by then.