In this lost season. Lost to the last place team at home. Mostly had the game in hand, but missed 8 fts down the stretch and PSu hit some jumpers which we cannot. Hard to know when this free fall will stop. Maybe could beat MSU and Il at home but certainly no guarantees. In the BT this year the tourney has the bottom 4 teams do a play in on Weds. It appears our Boilers, with their storied history of great play in the BTT, will be one of those bottom four. This team is capable of last place. Very sad.
It just keeps getting worse
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Yes, it is sad. The girls are all great kids, but basketball wise this is one of the weakest teams we have had in 30 years. I have never seen a team that shoots so poorly consistently. Couple that with lots of turnovers and we have what we have. Can only hope that next years additions can shoot much better, can take care of the bssketball, have better overall skills and that hope that Bodnar is really good, that Erica Moore gets it together and that Horrocks really improves. Not much to ask for.
Maybe they need a new coach, too?
Today was the first game I stayed home from since I started getting season tickets. Too hard for me to watch.
Today was the first game I stayed home from since I started getting season tickets. Too hard for me to watch.
The Frosh class which brought in 5 players and was ranked in the 12-14 range has been a huge disappointment, I realize Bodnar has been injured but the 4 others haven't did much their first season, hopefully the jump to Sophs will turn their games in a different direction!
what about Hamby, I thought she was some kind of scoring machine in H.S. This program has really gotten stagnant, would be nice if Steph White would be interested in the job.
I would agree that if next year is not a significant improvement, then we should offer the HC position to Stephanie to see if she can turn the ship around. I say this grudgingly because I like Versyp and the way she molds women out of these ladies and she cares for them.
The only player in Hoop Gurlz/ESPN top 100 was Hall.
Next year McBryde,Murphy and Cooper are in the top 30 or so
As much as I respect Steph please go outside the "Family" for a replacement
I would consider a top asst from a WBB elite team.(Ralph,McCray-Penson,Brock
Next year McBryde,Murphy and Cooper are in the top 30 or so
As much as I respect Steph please go outside the "Family" for a replacement
I would consider a top asst from a WBB elite team.(Ralph,McCray-Penson,Brock
I thought Moore was considered a top 100 as well, the others were in the top 150, probably ranked that high because of the number of players. 3 in the top 25-30 is impressive, hopefully that leads Purdue back to respectability. As for White, she's a Indiana legend as a player, one would think she would be able to recruit the state pretty well. The gap between ND/Purdue right now is alarming, it shouldn't be that bad!
Do people not realize that Stephanie is the head coach of the Fever in the WNBA now? I guess it's possible she could consider stepping back down to the collegiate level, but she was just hired as the head coach, so I would be absolutely shocked if she abandoned that position either now or next year.
Not sure what the money difference would be. WNBA players are not getting rich, so doubt the coaches are, either.
I would love to get Stephanie back as a coach.
My wife is shocked I just gave away my club seats to the last three games. I cannot watch this anymore. I get upset. It is hard to watch. I was a supporter of CSV and have been a long time season ticket holder. I will not be renewing my tickets for next year without a coaching change however. That is the first time ever as a Boiler I have said that.
I would love to get Stephanie back as a coach.
My wife is shocked I just gave away my club seats to the last three games. I cannot watch this anymore. I get upset. It is hard to watch. I was a supporter of CSV and have been a long time season ticket holder. I will not be renewing my tickets for next year without a coaching change however. That is the first time ever as a Boiler I have said that.
Knowing the history of our administration, I would be surprised if they did anything this year especially since the incoming class looks to be the coach's best yet. That said, two years in a row and I think something would happen. I've said this before and there is documentation and studies that back how fickle fans of women sports are. Fans lose interest faster and will go elsewhere for their entertainment, legacy or not, if the team is not an attraction. I think this is even more true if you experienced some success previously.
If the ticket holder stops buying in a sport that is harder to attract in the first place, then getting them back later is difficult. I think that can mean quicker exits for women team coaches. I, like you, have trouble swallowing this season and optimistically hope for better days. Since you are a ticket holder, you may be in the group that pushes the envelope quicker. I understand your pain though. It's a strange feeling for me to want the season over...but I do. Love to be proven wrong but I feel it's past the stage of a turn around this season.
As a WNBA coach, Stephanie is not limited to her WNBA coaching income. She can and does add considerable additional income during the WNBA off season as a color commentator on the BTN, ESPN etc. during the college season. In fact, Steph has even provided commentary for some men's NBA game. If she were to take on a college coaching job, it would eliminate most or all of those gigs. IMO, there is not a chance that she would leave her new WNBA coaching job and her spots with BTN and ESPN for a college head coaching job.
Maybe the thought of slumming around with AAU coaches and kissing the butts of teenagers doesn't appeal to her either. I know it wouldn't to me. My guess is that if she preferred a college job to the professional then she would have spent those years she spent as an assistant to Dunn in the college game and probably would've landed a significant college job by now. I have no idea if that's the case or not. It's just speculation based on her career path.
Purdue women's ticket holders have seemed more loyal than most, but then again we have had historically more success than most. I have been loyal to the men's basketball team and football team through tough times over the years, yet here I am forfeiting my women's bball tickets. So, maybe you are correct. After leaving, it may be hard to get me back.
I realize CSV has had some tough cards dealt to her and have remained loyal through many ugly games partially for that reason. However, it seems as a body of work her teams do not improve as the year goes on, have never valued possessions (I would imagine TO stats would prove that out), and have always been inconsistent from one game to the next. Of course, she does get them up for the BTT where they have done well.
I just don't see CSV ever taking a team further than she already has and the turnovers, poor fundamentals, inconsistent play, and poor shooting make me not fun to be around after most games.
My concern about next year is if this recruiting class is as talented as advertised, we will be just good enough to keep CSV for another 4-5 years of frustration.
I doubt Stephanie would take a cut in pay to come back here to coach, but I'll bet she could really recruit!
I realize CSV has had some tough cards dealt to her and have remained loyal through many ugly games partially for that reason. However, it seems as a body of work her teams do not improve as the year goes on, have never valued possessions (I would imagine TO stats would prove that out), and have always been inconsistent from one game to the next. Of course, she does get them up for the BTT where they have done well.
I just don't see CSV ever taking a team further than she already has and the turnovers, poor fundamentals, inconsistent play, and poor shooting make me not fun to be around after most games.
My concern about next year is if this recruiting class is as talented as advertised, we will be just good enough to keep CSV for another 4-5 years of frustration.
I doubt Stephanie would take a cut in pay to come back here to coach, but I'll bet she could really recruit!
I would be interested in knowing what the income is as a result of women's basketball attendance. Given the price of tickets and the REAL number of fans who have been attending each year, I think that one men's game may bring in as much income as all the women's games. If not, I would think two would. My point is that I don't think a drop in women's basketball attendance would be seen as critical.
Don't agree
In this sport at Purdue, I think a possible substantial drop in future attendance = poorer teams= lower overall fan interest=poor recruiting.
I live in a city where the Division 1 women's basketball team has rarely been good. This year they have a decent record. They still only get 2000-2500 fans at games...pretty much the same as last year and previous years. I think once you drop numbers with the attendees, it's difficult to get them back. If you're an upper tier high school athlete (top 100) do you want to go to a school that draws 2000 or one that draws 8000? Because you compare it to the men's game, which I don't think is a fair comparison, wouldn't you rather draw enough fans to at least make a small profit instead of losing revenue each time you play? Because of equal rights under Title lX, the sport will be here no matter what, so I think it's bad business to say a drop in attendance doesn't mean much and is not critical.
Maybe if you look at the bottom-line side only. I don't agree because I think it's four-fold.
In this sport at Purdue, I think a possible substantial drop in future attendance = poorer teams= lower overall fan interest=poor recruiting.
I live in a city where the Division 1 women's basketball team has rarely been good. This year they have a decent record. They still only get 2000-2500 fans at games...pretty much the same as last year and previous years. I think once you drop numbers with the attendees, it's difficult to get them back. If you're an upper tier high school athlete (top 100) do you want to go to a school that draws 2000 or one that draws 8000? Because you compare it to the men's game, which I don't think is a fair comparison, wouldn't you rather draw enough fans to at least make a small profit instead of losing revenue each time you play? Because of equal rights under Title lX, the sport will be here no matter what, so I think it's bad business to say a drop in attendance doesn't mean much and is not critical.
Maybe the incoming recruiting class will be good enough, combined with Perry, Wilson, Morrissette (who is a very talented player and has the potential to be a deadly shooter, and will probably be doing a lot of shooting drills over the summer in order to try to shake off the Sophomore Slump), Keys, Bodnar, Horrocks & Co., for SV to finally do something with. If not, and if a change is going to be made, what people forget is that Purdue has very tight purse strings. If you want a really good coach (want to take Waltz or Wantz or whatever his name is, away from Lousiville, for instance?), take a look at what they are making elsewhere. Can and will Purdue match or exceed that? No way. That's one reason I think MB keeps going after Purdue alums--because they love Purdue and want to be at Purdue, even if it is less $$. But non-Purdue coaches who want to be here that badly are probably very few and far between. I mean, after all, this is Indiana. 
Re: Don't agree
Home games only: If you're talking tickets sold vs actual bodies maybe it is less than what is listed at the Big Ten and NCAA websites. But then your original statement that 2 games revenue for men's vs all the women's games doesn't add up since this is based on tickets sold and the men only average 12,000ish. I don't know where you get the 1500-2500 number from.
2014 Women's Basketball Attendance Team Leaders
DIVISION I
Rk. School G Attendance Average
1. Tennessee 18 198,692 11,038
2. Iowa St. 17 168,576 9,916
3. Louisville 20 189,385 9,469
4. Notre Dame 17 147,799 8,694
5. UConn 18 149,625 8,313
6. Purdue 15 110,825 7,388
7. Michigan St. 15 107,177 7,145
8. Baylor 22 151,384 6,881
9. Kentucky 18 121,089 6,727
10. South Carolina 16 101,935 6,371
2013 Women's Basketball Attendance Team Leaders
DIVISION I
Rk. School G Attendance Average
1. Tennessee 18 205,027 11,390
2. Iowa St. 15 149,557 9,970
3. Louisville 18 168,442 9,358
4. Baylor 17 155,713 9,160
5. Notre Dame 14 125,699 8,979
6. Connecticut 20 179,542 8,977
7. Purdue 13 110,689 8,515
8. New Mexico 17 109,651 6,450
9. Texas Tech 18 115,517 6,418
10. Michigan St. 15 95,282 6,352
11. Kentucky 17 104,447 6,144
12. Oklahoma 17 102,061 6,004
13. Gonzaga 17 96,523 5,678
14. Texas A&M 19 105,556 5,556
15. Penn St. 14 76,050 5,432
This post was edited on 2/12 11:05 AM by GemstateBoiler
Home games only: If you're talking tickets sold vs actual bodies maybe it is less than what is listed at the Big Ten and NCAA websites. But then your original statement that 2 games revenue for men's vs all the women's games doesn't add up since this is based on tickets sold and the men only average 12,000ish. I don't know where you get the 1500-2500 number from.
2014 Women's Basketball Attendance Team Leaders
DIVISION I
Rk. School G Attendance Average
1. Tennessee 18 198,692 11,038
2. Iowa St. 17 168,576 9,916
3. Louisville 20 189,385 9,469
4. Notre Dame 17 147,799 8,694
5. UConn 18 149,625 8,313
6. Purdue 15 110,825 7,388
7. Michigan St. 15 107,177 7,145
8. Baylor 22 151,384 6,881
9. Kentucky 18 121,089 6,727
10. South Carolina 16 101,935 6,371
2013 Women's Basketball Attendance Team Leaders
DIVISION I
Rk. School G Attendance Average
1. Tennessee 18 205,027 11,390
2. Iowa St. 15 149,557 9,970
3. Louisville 18 168,442 9,358
4. Baylor 17 155,713 9,160
5. Notre Dame 14 125,699 8,979
6. Connecticut 20 179,542 8,977
7. Purdue 13 110,689 8,515
8. New Mexico 17 109,651 6,450
9. Texas Tech 18 115,517 6,418
10. Michigan St. 15 95,282 6,352
11. Kentucky 17 104,447 6,144
12. Oklahoma 17 102,061 6,004
13. Gonzaga 17 96,523 5,678
14. Texas A&M 19 105,556 5,556
15. Penn St. 14 76,050 5,432
This post was edited on 2/12 11:05 AM by GemstateBoiler
Re: Don't agree
If you had been attending games, Walt, you would know that the lower bowl has been filled for at least the past 11 years I have been getting season tickets while the numbers in the upper bowl vary.
Unfortunately, this year the lower bowl has not been full and is about 1/2 full by the end of the game. Anyone who knows me will tell you I have always stayed till the end of the game in support of the student-athletes. Many this year do not do that. I do not blame them. When the athletes appear to have given up, so do the fans.
I will not be the only one non-renewing my tickets next year, based on comments from those sitting in my section and the increase in empty seats as the season has worn on.
If you had been attending games, Walt, you would know that the lower bowl has been filled for at least the past 11 years I have been getting season tickets while the numbers in the upper bowl vary.
Unfortunately, this year the lower bowl has not been full and is about 1/2 full by the end of the game. Anyone who knows me will tell you I have always stayed till the end of the game in support of the student-athletes. Many this year do not do that. I do not blame them. When the athletes appear to have given up, so do the fans.
I will not be the only one non-renewing my tickets next year, based on comments from those sitting in my section and the increase in empty seats as the season has worn on.
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I have had season tickets for 15 years and may have missed 2 or 3 games in that time. I have never seen the lower bowl filled. There are always lots of empty seats among the folks sitting there. Last year we played Oklahoma State in the tourney, and the crowd was under2000, if I recall correctly; and it was a typical crowd. During the season they count student activity tickets, I have been told. Whatever, there have never been nearly the number of people in attendance as the announced attendance, and I am quite sure there haven't been regular tickets sold.
I have had season tickets for 15 years and may have missed 2 or 3 games in that time. I have never seen the lower bowl filled. There are always lots of empty seats among the folks sitting there. Last year we played Oklahoma State in the tourney, and the crowd was under2000, if I recall correctly; and it was a typical crowd. During the season they count student activity tickets, I have been told. Whatever, there have never been nearly the number of people in attendance as the announced attendance, and I am quite sure there haven't been regular tickets sold.
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