a record of 4-8...You are the new AD...do you fire or retain Hazell? If you fire, who are you realistically looking at to bring to Purdue (give 3-5 names)?
It is November 27th, 2016...and Purdue has finished the season with...
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I am torn because 4-8 shows definite improvement with Hazell's own players in the program and contributing. I would say the results in the loses makes all the difference. If Purdue is sporty in 6 of the loses (I am not expecting good things against Cinncy, Wisconsin, and Iowa), I think Hazell deserves the 5th year and a full year to work with the new AD on a plan to use the new facilities as a background to his recruiting.
If the loses pile up similarly as they have the last 3 years, I think Purdue needs to find a new head coach. Here are my top 5 realistic coaching hires NOT named Kevin Sumlin:
1. Art Briles: If the man is available, he is the best commodity on the market to build a winner at a program that has struggled but not to the amount that Baylor had prior to his arrival. It should be noted the amount of incoming players who left simply because he wasn't going to be the head coach even though the position coaches remained on staff. If the man is available, the new AD needs to have him on his short list. If he ends up jumping ship after a few seasons, it will probably mean a better program has come calling and Purdue has improved drastically for that to happen.
2. Jeff Brohm: Leading the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers to a final ranking of #24 is a damn good start to a coaching career following his time at Louisville as a player. He is probably one of the biggest coaching commodities in the non-P5/power programs (BYU, Boise State, etc) that could be lured away from his current job. He has Midwestern ties growing up in the Louisville area. Brohm would bring a passing style offense to Purdue and seems to be able to not only recruit well but to create effective game planning to take advantage of his team's strengths and opponent's weaknesses.
3. Bob Stitt: You all are probably wondering, 'I wonder why he didn't put him #1...he has been clamoring for Stitt for 3 years now.' I get it but the honest truth is the man is an innovator on the offensive side of the ball and throws it around as much as anyone in the country NOT named Mike Leach or Cliff Kingsberry. Stitt moved on to Montana after a long and successful run at Colorado School of Mines and made a national name for himself after being NDSU in his initial game. Give him P5 talent (jokes here about the P5 talent at Purdue), and I think he could flourish if Purdue can find a solid defensive coordinator to go with him...at the very least, the Bucket Game would be one hell of a game and could feature 150 passes between both sides....now THAT would be exciting!
4. Brock Spack: Probably the most likely of all hires would be Spack. He is a Purdue alum and has proven he can build a program and win. I would welcome this hire with open arms and with Burke stepping away, the likelihood appears better than it did had Burke stayed in longer. I think a lot of people would have boo'd this hire right after Tiller and even after Hope, but Tiller once again looks like a genius when he called for Spack to be the HC and Burke fumbled it. Goes to show you how much Tiller can find those diamonds in the rough.
5. Tom Herman: This may have to be done sooner rather than later because Herman is making a case for a major coaching job next season. He could become the next coach at A&M if Sumlin is fired or at Texas if Charlie Strong is fired. If Purdue can break out the money for the man, he could get back in to the B1G and turn the program around as he is known as a top notch recruiter. This, in all liklihood, is probably not going to happen because Houston stepped up and paid him to retain him AND Houston is likely stepping up to the Big 12. If that happens (or one of the other big boys from the Big 12 come calling), Herman remains in Texas.
If the loses pile up similarly as they have the last 3 years, I think Purdue needs to find a new head coach. Here are my top 5 realistic coaching hires NOT named Kevin Sumlin:
1. Art Briles: If the man is available, he is the best commodity on the market to build a winner at a program that has struggled but not to the amount that Baylor had prior to his arrival. It should be noted the amount of incoming players who left simply because he wasn't going to be the head coach even though the position coaches remained on staff. If the man is available, the new AD needs to have him on his short list. If he ends up jumping ship after a few seasons, it will probably mean a better program has come calling and Purdue has improved drastically for that to happen.
2. Jeff Brohm: Leading the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers to a final ranking of #24 is a damn good start to a coaching career following his time at Louisville as a player. He is probably one of the biggest coaching commodities in the non-P5/power programs (BYU, Boise State, etc) that could be lured away from his current job. He has Midwestern ties growing up in the Louisville area. Brohm would bring a passing style offense to Purdue and seems to be able to not only recruit well but to create effective game planning to take advantage of his team's strengths and opponent's weaknesses.
3. Bob Stitt: You all are probably wondering, 'I wonder why he didn't put him #1...he has been clamoring for Stitt for 3 years now.' I get it but the honest truth is the man is an innovator on the offensive side of the ball and throws it around as much as anyone in the country NOT named Mike Leach or Cliff Kingsberry. Stitt moved on to Montana after a long and successful run at Colorado School of Mines and made a national name for himself after being NDSU in his initial game. Give him P5 talent (jokes here about the P5 talent at Purdue), and I think he could flourish if Purdue can find a solid defensive coordinator to go with him...at the very least, the Bucket Game would be one hell of a game and could feature 150 passes between both sides....now THAT would be exciting!
4. Brock Spack: Probably the most likely of all hires would be Spack. He is a Purdue alum and has proven he can build a program and win. I would welcome this hire with open arms and with Burke stepping away, the likelihood appears better than it did had Burke stayed in longer. I think a lot of people would have boo'd this hire right after Tiller and even after Hope, but Tiller once again looks like a genius when he called for Spack to be the HC and Burke fumbled it. Goes to show you how much Tiller can find those diamonds in the rough.
5. Tom Herman: This may have to be done sooner rather than later because Herman is making a case for a major coaching job next season. He could become the next coach at A&M if Sumlin is fired or at Texas if Charlie Strong is fired. If Purdue can break out the money for the man, he could get back in to the B1G and turn the program around as he is known as a top notch recruiter. This, in all liklihood, is probably not going to happen because Houston stepped up and paid him to retain him AND Houston is likely stepping up to the Big 12. If that happens (or one of the other big boys from the Big 12 come calling), Herman remains in Texas.
I was on board with the Hazell hire. I was willingly to give him a pass as he established the culture & foundation in years 1 & 2. I wanted to see real progress in year 3. 4 wins in year #4 is not enough for me especially as I imagine blowouts among the 8 losses just as we've seen in years 1-3. Haze might be able to have success elsewhere, but 4 wins in year 4 would not give me any confidence he could have sustained long-term success at Purdue.
I don't have any names for you right now, but I do have one wish. Whenever MBob goes through the process of hiring a new coach, I really hope he doesn't unnecessarily limit his candidate pool to those with previous HC experience (for football hires). I hated that MB refused to consider innovative, energetic P5 coordinators. Just look at the firings following every season, and you'll see hiring a HC at a non-helmet-U is a very inexact science that often doesn't work out too well. Is some MAC or CUSA HC really a surer bet than say a guy like Lincoln Riley (the OC at Oklahoma)?
I don't have any names for you right now, but I do have one wish. Whenever MBob goes through the process of hiring a new coach, I really hope he doesn't unnecessarily limit his candidate pool to those with previous HC experience (for football hires). I hated that MB refused to consider innovative, energetic P5 coordinators. Just look at the firings following every season, and you'll see hiring a HC at a non-helmet-U is a very inexact science that often doesn't work out too well. Is some MAC or CUSA HC really a surer bet than say a guy like Lincoln Riley (the OC at Oklahoma)?
List of some up and coming coaches:
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-top-25-head-coaches-rise-2016
I like Brohm best, but I also like Diaco, Morris, and Fleck.
Year old article but discusses Calhoun's different offense
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...cademy-falcons-troy-calhoun-overlooked-072715
Gone....I'm fearful Purdue will win 5 and be in that "is he turning it around" but then the 2017 schedule is a toughie
My picks, no order:
-Spack: Illinois State
-Niumatalolo: Navy
-Kileman: NDSU
-Hopson: So. Miss (long shot)
-Briles? Free Agent...would Purdue take the PR hit?
Even if he wins 6, that is no better than DH1 when he was fired in year 4 (let alone overall record).
Why would DH2, who is paid almost three-four times the money, have that much less standards when it comes to results?
IMO, it will take something significant for him to stay. Fans are either apathetic or so pissed they refuse to show up/contribute until he is gone. Im not sure they will support him with only one decent season. The AD may be forced to act either way.
I don't know....and I don't know why he survived year three though
I just am fearful the decision to keep him will be "progress is being made".
As NAT said, fans will not come back for 5/6 wins.
He would need the inverse of that for me to keep him on. Its either fire or extend this season. If you don't extend our recruiting is going to be even more poor. And the only way I extend him is if none of it is guaranteed, which won't happen... So 4-8 congrats on improving maybe that will be enough to convince a FCS school to give you a HC position. Sorry Hazel it took you 2 years too many to discover that Shoop is clueless.
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I agree with all but Houston going to the Big 12 and brock spack being the most likely of hires. Houston doesn't add anything to a tv deal so its just not going to happen. So few people in the area care about Houston football its funny (currently in Houston). A&M solidly owns the area. Big 12 needs to push for Cinci, and BYU.
IMO: it will be hard to retain Haze if Purdue goes 4-8 this year. He has to make a really compelling case in year four, and it's hard to see how 4-8 can do that. He's had three years to show incremental improvement, now it's time to win or move on. A fourth straight late season collapse and loss to Indiana should definitely seal Haze's fate.
Without the facts behind the 4 - 8 season, who did we beat and by how much and where and how competitive were the Boilers in the 8 losses...1) Herman and Brohm but both will have big time offers if their seasons go well 3) Stiitt 4) Leach no to the rest mentioned especially Briles who brought in bums to win on the field and acted liked bums off the field...I doubt that Purdue would even consider hiring him!
I think it is very safe to assume it's bowl or bust for Hazell. Hell I'd bet he'd even tell you that. He has to at least get to a bowl game.
It would depend if the AD has a good set of names to consider. 4 wins would be an improvement for DH and may give him a reprieve for one season. That would especially be true if Bobinski cannot get a good list of candidates in line at the end of this season. There is no point in replacing DH with a coach that may not be an improvement either.
With this schedule, I can't imagine retaining him without 5 wins. It is sad that the program's fallen so far that we're not excited about the potential of being 5-0 heading into a big Homecoming game against Iowa.
Scenario:
2-1 in the non-conference September home games
1-1 @Maryland & @Illinois
1-5 Iowa, @Nebraska, PSU, @Gophers, NU, UW
1-0 @IU to break bucket losing streak
As long as they're not getting drubbed in that 1-5 stretch, I'd call it forward progress and keep DH for another year.
Scenario:
2-1 in the non-conference September home games
1-1 @Maryland & @Illinois
1-5 Iowa, @Nebraska, PSU, @Gophers, NU, UW
1-0 @IU to break bucket losing streak
As long as they're not getting drubbed in that 1-5 stretch, I'd call it forward progress and keep DH for another year.
After 4 years, with his 6-23 record, anything less than 6 regular seasons and a bowl win is a total failure and he should be shown the door. This is his team...his recruits..his coaches...no excuses.
I am thinking maybe 5 wins also. As long as we are competitive(not looking like the KEYSTONE COPS!) and we as fans see some drastic improvements, he will get his 5th year. Anything resembling the past 3 years, he may be let go during the season! I think we will be a better team, may not translate into wins, but I would like to get past the third qtr this year without having to go mow the grass.............
We have really only ever won with NFL QBs out-throwing the opposition. Not to mention that triple option stuff is a snooze fest. I won't watch navy or Georgia Tech play.
Really?
I enjoy watching different offenses including triple option, since it is rare these days
I enjoy watching different offenses including triple option, since it is rare these days
Anything less than 6 wins is failure. It will be time to begin anew and Hazell should clearly know that by now.
1) Brock Spack - Knows Purdue, Gold and Black runs in his veins from his playing and coaching days here. It was a mistake to let him go and not give him the shot vs. D. Hope. He'd know the schools where he can get the recruits and win again quickly.
If his relationship with Jim Chaney was good, bring him back right now. Creative, free-wheeling offense was entertaining even if we lost. We were still competitive in most games. Make Jim Chaney Asst. Head coach/O.C.
2) Luke Fickell or Greg Schiano. Either can improve the overall defense and aim for a competent O.C.
3) This is a long shot, but get Kevin Sumlin back to Purdue. Player, 12 yr Asst. Coach at Purdue and H.C. (with an impressive Head Coaching resume). Pick up the phone and buyout his contract. If Texas A&M University President doesn't want him, get him the hell up here ASAP. Recruiting would jump instantly. He is an Indy Native and knows he landscape of recruiting and what it takes to get and retain the bigger names. I'm thinking he'd have Purdue competitive and near .500 in year one and back to winning seasons thereafter. That is how good he is.
1) Brock Spack - Knows Purdue, Gold and Black runs in his veins from his playing and coaching days here. It was a mistake to let him go and not give him the shot vs. D. Hope. He'd know the schools where he can get the recruits and win again quickly.
If his relationship with Jim Chaney was good, bring him back right now. Creative, free-wheeling offense was entertaining even if we lost. We were still competitive in most games. Make Jim Chaney Asst. Head coach/O.C.
2) Luke Fickell or Greg Schiano. Either can improve the overall defense and aim for a competent O.C.
3) This is a long shot, but get Kevin Sumlin back to Purdue. Player, 12 yr Asst. Coach at Purdue and H.C. (with an impressive Head Coaching resume). Pick up the phone and buyout his contract. If Texas A&M University President doesn't want him, get him the hell up here ASAP. Recruiting would jump instantly. He is an Indy Native and knows he landscape of recruiting and what it takes to get and retain the bigger names. I'm thinking he'd have Purdue competitive and near .500 in year one and back to winning seasons thereafter. That is how good he is.
I will be shocked if we win 4 games.
I was against hiring Spack but the more I read and think about it, he might be the ideal replacement.
I was against hiring Spack but the more I read and think about it, he might be the ideal replacement.
I think Spack would be competent and a definite improvement over what Haze has done to date.
I don't think he'd exactly wow the fan base, but maybe Purdue fans are more willing to give him a chance now than they would have back in 2008.
Fickell's an interesting idea. Young, defensive-oriented, strong record as an assistant. But, almost his entire career has been at a school where he routinely enjoys overwhelming talent. Can he build something almost from scratch at Purdue? Plus, he struggled in his only season as a head coach (under less than ideal circumstances to be sure).
My $.02: if Bobinski wants to make Purdue football fun again and build a winner based on the formula that has usually worked at Purdue, I would go hard after a guy like Mike Leach. I know there are questions from his time at Texas Tech, and he might be comfortable at WSU now that he's had success there. But, go hard. Find out what it would take, and go after it. Purdue is going to lose games in the near future no matter who's in charge. 48-44 is a lot more fun than 48-14.
I don't think he'd exactly wow the fan base, but maybe Purdue fans are more willing to give him a chance now than they would have back in 2008.
Fickell's an interesting idea. Young, defensive-oriented, strong record as an assistant. But, almost his entire career has been at a school where he routinely enjoys overwhelming talent. Can he build something almost from scratch at Purdue? Plus, he struggled in his only season as a head coach (under less than ideal circumstances to be sure).
My $.02: if Bobinski wants to make Purdue football fun again and build a winner based on the formula that has usually worked at Purdue, I would go hard after a guy like Mike Leach. I know there are questions from his time at Texas Tech, and he might be comfortable at WSU now that he's had success there. But, go hard. Find out what it would take, and go after it. Purdue is going to lose games in the near future no matter who's in charge. 48-44 is a lot more fun than 48-14.
I agree....Leach would be one of my first choices. Great football mind. Pay the money to make it a great program. Look at the recruits coming to Illinois to play for Smith.
With this schedule, if we can't win 6 games and go to a bowl, then he should definitely not be retained. I actually like Hazell and think if he could just win games he would be a great fit for the school. If he wins 5 and we happened to of had a bunch of injuries and really bad luck, then maybe you factor that in.
If we stay healthy, I'm expecting 6 wins and Hazell being extended another few years for recruiting purposes.
If we stay healthy, I'm expecting 6 wins and Hazell being extended another few years for recruiting purposes.
While 6 wins may be a highwater mark stretch from the past 3+ yrs of history, I'm hoping it is the grade Hazell has to make or else. DH is a nice guy and says all the right things, but performance on the field is not competitive or entertaining. If it were easy, everybody would be a head coach with big $'s. It is not, and it appears to me at this juncture that DH is over his head at this point. In a few more weeks, our Train will either be on the tracks or completely de-railed. Interesting analogy...Purdue football and train logo moniker.
Fickel won 6 games with a very talented osu roster. The next year meyer went undefeated. Pass on fickel, that would be a huge mistake.
You dont want Fickell. He was so bad as a DC, Meyer brought in people to co-coordinate.
I doubt if Fickell would leave OSU for Purdue,but you never know.I think Purdue needs to win six this year or He needs to be gone.I think He is a fine person but when a guy goes into coaching,he must know he has to win.or he is going to be canned.
Can you explain to the regulars on here just what it is that the Boilers are running now???? Most of us haven't been able to figure out the DH2 scheme.
