Isn't it amazing that Mueller decides....three days before POTUS meets

[TwinDegrees2]

with Putin, to charge 12 Russians who have never been on US soil, will never be on US soil, will never be arrested or serve jail time and are sitting on their ass somewhere around Moscow drinking potato juice and laughing at Mueller.

Another attempt by Mueller to make POTUS look bad going into his meeting with Putin. Imagine that, and what's worse....those with no ability to reason or think on their own will never see the phoniness of this move.

 

[mk_peters]

with Putin, to charge 12 Russians who have never been on US soil, will never be on US soil, will never be arrested or serve jail time and are sitting on their ass somewhere around Moscow drinking potato juice and laughing at Mueller.

Another attempt by Mueller to make POTUS look bad going into his meeting with Putin. Imagine that, and what's worse....those with no ability to reason or think on their own will never see the phoniness of this move.

Of course it was timed. Time will tell why.

 

[BoilerJS]

Mueller is a political hack. This info should have been given to the Potus to use in negotiations with Putin. Dilvelged at a later date to the public. He release it to say, during the show boat and Page hearings, see we are finding stuff. Stuff they shouldnt have let happen in the first place.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Of course it was timed. Time will tell why.

Oh yes, Mueller is a prosecutorial genius. He’s just waiting to pounce on Trump - just wait for it, wait for it, wait for it......

 

[lbodel]

with Putin, to charge 12 Russians who have never been on US soil, will never be on US soil, will never be arrested or serve jail time and are sitting on their ass somewhere around Moscow drinking potato juice and laughing at Mueller.

Another attempt by Mueller to make POTUS look bad going into his meeting with Putin. Imagine that, and what's worse....those with no ability to reason or think on their own will never see the phoniness of this move.

How is it a bad thing?

The President received a briefing about the upcoming indictment of Russian government spies that hacked Americans, American political parties and state election board which included stealing hundreds of thousands of voter information.

In a previous meeting, Putin denied it happened. Trump said ok, well he denied it. What else can I do?

Well, the FBI handed Trump hard facts of the operation Putin denied: our law enforcement detailed how it happened with a step-by-step analysis of how it was carried out, where Russians took painstaking methods to conceal their identities. Our intelligence traced every step.

After briefing Trump, Trump and his staff had 7 days before meeting with the Russian president - plenty of time to prepare to confront a man who has directly attacked American institution - on presumably his orders or his high level military officials were acting on their own.

Now Trump can walk in that door, state cold hard, detailed facts - and can hold Putin accountable as the first step to this "meeting/summit" where Russia wants to be seen on the world stage again. Here's your world stage, Putin: You're not getting away with attacking our democracy.

Why is that a bad thing?

 

[mk_peters]

Oh yes, Mueller is a prosecutorial genius. He’s just waiting to pounce on Trump - just wait for it, wait for it, wait for it......

No, fool, he’s systematically gathering evidence and filing indictments. If it ends before Trump, that’s fantastic. However, a few are convinced it won’t; many suspect it won’t; and a few obfuscate and deflect.

 

[lbodel]

How is it a bad thing?

The President received a briefing about the upcoming indictment of Russian government spies that hacked Americans, American political parties and state election board which included stealing hundreds of thousands of voter information.

In a previous meeting, Putin denied it happened. Trump said ok, well he denied it. What else can I do?

Well, the FBI handed Trump hard facts of the operation Putin denied: our law enforcement detailed how it happened with a step-by-step analysis of how it was carried out, where Russians took painstaking methods to conceal their identities. Our intelligence traced every step.

After briefing Trump, Trump and his staff had 7 days before meeting with the Russian president - plenty of time to prepare to confront a man who has directly attacked American institution - on presumably his orders or his high level military officials were acting on their own.

Now Trump can walk in that door, state cold hard, detailed facts - and can hold Putin accountable as the first step to this "meeting/summit" where Russia wants to be seen on the world stage again. Here's your world stage, Putin: You're not getting away with attacking our democracy.

Why is that a bad thing?

It might be a bad thing when:

After being briefed by your law enforcement leadership about indicting 12 Russian military operatives for attacking the US, you go and call where the indictments came from consisting of American investigators a "witch hunt".

Oh, then you do it again. And again. Exactly what Putin wants.

You meet with your closest allies in NATO and basically trash them. Exactly what Putin wants.

You are asked who is your greatest foe, and the first thing you say is the European Union. And when you mention Russia - you give them an out. Exactly what Putin wants.

You won't firmly say you won't recognize Russia's invasion of Crimea - just probably! Exactly what Putin wants.

You say that you're open to calling off military operations in the Baltic. Exactly what Putin wants.

You're asked by a member of the media if you're going to demand extradition of the 12 Russians indicted by the FBI and your answer is: I hadn't thought of that. Exactly what Putin wants.

You go into a one-on-one meeting with no backup with a savvy "foe" (maybe!) and you have no agenda prepared. Exactly what Putin wants.

Then yeah, in that case, maybe it is a bad thing!

 

[Purdue4Life]

Mueller is a political hack. This info should have been given to the Potus to use in negotiations with Putin. Dilvelged at a later date to the public. He release it to say, during the show boat and Page hearings, see we are finding stuff. Stuff they shouldnt have let happen in the first place.

fool. mueller is a republican and potus knew the indictments were coming a week or two ago.

 

[ecouch]

Everyone knows that this was just a presser, right? Nothing more is coming from this. Literally, nothing more is going to happen on this front. The culmination was RR reading a piece of paper. This was public relations.

 

[mk_peters]

This was public relations.

Bullshit. Only in Dumbass Land is this indictment merely public relations.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Bullshit. Only in Dumbass Land is this indictment merely public relations.

Please explain how these (12) Russians will EVER be held to account. As long as they never set foot on American soil, they are essentially untouchable. There is no extradition treaty between Russia and the USA. These indictments are nothing more than political grandstanding.

 

[mk_peters]

Please explain how these (12) Russians will EVER be held to account. As long as they never set foot on American soil, they are essentially untouchable. There is no extradition treaty between Russia and the USA. These indictments are nothing more than political grandstanding.

They better not travel too far from Russia, unless it’s under a new identity.

Foreigners are indicted all the time. The FBI doesn’t overlook a crime just because the person doesn’t live in the US. The only reason you care about this indictment is because it mentions several GOP members.

 

[PurdueFan1]

So many triggered trumptards on here. Such snowflakes.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Please explain how these (12) Russians will EVER be held to account. As long as they never set foot on American soil, they are essentially untouchable. There is no extradition treaty between Russia and the USA. These indictments are nothing more than political grandstanding.

These indictments detail precisely how Russia attempted to interfere in our election. We probably won't be able to get our hands on the parties responsible.......so no big deal? K

 

[indy35]

Oh yes, Mueller is a prosecutorial genius. He’s just waiting to pounce on Trump - just wait for it, wait for it, wait for it......

Looking at Mueller's various court filings since last September makes clear he knew the individual changes Paul Manafort made in a specific Microsoft Word document; he knew that Dutch lawyer Alex van der Zwaan was lying about what he did on behalf of Manafort and Gates; he knew the specific times Russia military intelligence officers were searching specific words way back in 2016; he knew the specific cryptocurrency transactions used to register the Russian intelligence agency accounts; he knows what the hired trolls at the Internet Research Agency were writing in emails to their family members in 2017; he knew the messages Manafort was sending on encrypted messaging services.

This is how a true investigation is run, you don't know what the investigator knows until the time comes that they want you to know it. You may not understand this if you're basing your understanding of investigations from the clown show investigations on the right over the years, selectively leaking misleading details to create a Fox News narrative only for it to fizzle out at the end once there's nothing there. Mueller is getting actual results which you should really be happy about if you care about our country.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Looking at Mueller's various court filings since last September makes clear he knew the individual changes Paul Manafort made in a specific Microsoft Word document; he knew that Dutch lawyer Alex van der Zwaan was lying about what he did on behalf of Manafort and Gates; he knew the specific times Russia military intelligence officers were searching specific words way back in 2016; he knew the specific cryptocurrency transactions used to register the Russian intelligence agency accounts; he knows what the hired trolls at the Internet Research Agency were writing in emails to their family members in 2017; he knew the messages Manafort was sending on encrypted messaging services.

This is how a true investigation is run, you don't know what the investigator knows until the time comes that they want you to know it. You may not understand this if you're basing your understanding of investigations from the clown show investigations on the right over the years, selectively leaking misleading details to create a Fox News narrative only for it to fizzle out at the end once there's nothing there. Mueller is getting actual results which you should really be happy about if you care about our country.

Exactly who colluded with the Russians to impact the 2016 election? Isn't that supposed to be what this was all about? The Mueller investigation has ventured way off the rails of what it was originally premised upon. It has the feel of a desperate attempt to find SOMETHING, even if it has nothing to do with Russian collusion (which isn't even a crime in the legal books).

 

[mk_peters]

Exactly who colluded with the Russians to impact the 2016 election? Isn't that supposed to be what this was all about? The Mueller investigation has ventured way off the rails of what it was originally premised upon. It has the feel of a desperate attempt to find SOMETHING, even if it has nothing to do with Russian collusion (which isn't even a crime in the legal books).

First, Mueller must establish that there was a crime. The two Russian indictments go to that. Then, he can establish that there was a conspiracy. Time will tell whether he can do that, but I wouldn't bet against it.

FYI, Mueller participated in the following FBI investigations: Pan Am 103 Bombing, 9/11 Investigation, and Amerithrax or Anthrax Investigation.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Exactly who colluded with the Russians to impact the 2016 election? Isn't that supposed to be what this was all about? The Mueller investigation has ventured way off the rails of what it was originally premised upon. It has the feel of a desperate attempt to find SOMETHING, even if it has nothing to do with Russian collusion (which isn't even a crime in the legal books).

Investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated" with Trump's campaign, but also to examine "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

Also to investigate "any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)" - including perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses."

Seems pretty clear.

If anything the house investigation appears to be looking for anything to cast doubt on the Mueller investigation.

 

[PurdueFan1]

After the press conference a short while ago, it’s clear that Trump is nothing more than a Putin puppet. Even Fox derided him. Yet another shameful and embarrassing display by him. Literally taking Russia’s side.

 

[SDBoiler1]

First, Mueller must establish that there was a crime. The two Russian indictments go to that. Then, he can establish that there was a conspiracy. Time will tell whether he can do that, but I wouldn't bet against it.

FYI, Mueller participated in the following FBI investigations: Pan Am 103 Bombing, 9/11 Investigation, and Amerithrax or Anthrax Investigation.

You mean this Robert Mueller? He's effed up a bunch of cases in the past and he's also a real a-hole to work with.

https://www.newsweek.com/robert-mueller-special-counsel-russia-aides-criticize-722670
http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/19...i-repeatedly-abused-prosecutorial-discretion/
http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/08/robert-mueller-botching-investigations-since-anthrax-attacks/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/4/robert-muellers-bias-will-affect-his-investigation/

 

[mk_peters]

You mean this Robert Mueller? He's effed up a bunch of cases in the past and he's also a real a-hole to work with.

https://www.newsweek.com/robert-mueller-special-counsel-russia-aides-criticize-722670
http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/19...i-repeatedly-abused-prosecutorial-discretion/
http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/08/robert-mueller-botching-investigations-since-anthrax-attacks/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/4/robert-muellers-bias-will-affect-his-investigation/

Is that your litmus test, because I can link stuff about Trump if you want me to.

 

[Klaatu2]

with Putin, to charge 12 Russians who have never been on US soil, will never be on US soil, will never be arrested or serve jail time and are sitting on their ass somewhere around Moscow drinking potato juice and laughing at Mueller.

Another attempt by Mueller to make POTUS look bad going into his meeting with Putin. Imagine that, and what's worse....those with no ability to reason or think on their own will never see the phoniness of this move.

It was probably more of a warning shot across his bow, but Trump either wasn't listening or completely has failed to pay attention.

Time will tell I suppose. Historians will be looking back on this event for a long time.

 

[Klaatu2]

Investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated" with Trump's campaign, but also to examine "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

Also to investigate "any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)" - including perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses."

Seems pretty clear.

If anything the house investigation appears to be looking for anything to cast doubt on the Mueller investigation.

I would not be surprised if Mueller's investigation might ultimately investigate some of those on the House investigative committee when it's all said and done. The behavior and intentions of some of them has definitely been quite questionable.

 

[SDBoiler1]

I would not be surprised if Mueller's investigation might ultimately investigate some of those on the House investigative committee when it's all said and done. The behavior and intentions of some of them has definitely been quite questionable.

You have it backwards. Congress has oversight over Mueller, not the other way around.

 

[kescwi]

You have it backwards. Congress has oversight over Mueller, not the other way around.

Uhh? DoJ is in the executive, they have oversight. More sophist crap from an alwaystrump’er

 

[Purdue97]

Uhh? DoJ is in the executive, they have oversight. More sophist crap from an alwaystrump’er

HMM, was certain that Mueller is not using DoJ money, but money from congress, which they oversee. And Trump could fire Mueller which likely gets tangled up in court.

 

[kescwi]

HMM, was certain that Mueller is not using DoJ money, but money from congress, which they oversee. And Trump could fire Mueller which likely gets tangled up in court.

https://www.rollcall.com/politics/special-counsel-russia-probe-gets-separate-funding-path

 

[Purdue97]

https://www.rollcall.com/politics/special-counsel-russia-probe-gets-separate-funding-path

That is intersting and a good find. Had heard/read that congress had passed some bills that gives them oversight of his money in investigation.