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ISIS executioner 'Jihadi John' identified as......

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LONDON - The world knows him as "Jihadi John," the masked man with a British accent who has beheaded several hostages held by the Islamic State and who taunts audiences in videos circulated widely online.


But his real name, according to friends and others familiar with his case, is Mohammed Emwazi, a Briton from a well-to-do family who grew up in West London and graduated from college with a degree in computer programming.

Marie Harf, stupid Hoosier, you need a new theory.

The Kuwaiti-born Emwazi, in his mid-20s, appears to have left little trail on social media or elsewhere online. Those who knew him say he was polite and had a penchant for wearing stylish clothes while adhering to the tenets of his Islamic faith.

It sure is a good thing the UK imported Diversity.

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if only he would have had a good gob't provided job or midnight basketball to occupy his muslim mind.
 
In Europe, diversity is called multiculturalism.

And they both have the same purpose: divide, dilute, and ultimately destroy Western societies.
 
Both fail for the same reasons: self-segregation, refusal to assimilate and ingrained hatred of other cultures.
 
In other words, he's Muslim...

...in addition to being a psychopath.

Got it.
 
Fail?

No, I'd say they're working. Is the West worse off because of either Diversity or Multiculturalism? Yes. Then they're working as planned.
 
Strange......

......how there are so many "psychopaths" who randomly happen to be Muslim. And how such a high percentage of the "psychopaths" out there murdering and raping and genociding are Muslim as well.

What a weird coincidence!
 
no one does cognitive disconnect

like bigots.

You talk about hatred of other cultures, as you rail against other cultures for not fully assimilating into your preferred culture.

"If you don't abandon your culture completely and embrace ours fully, then you clearly hate other cultures and are self-segregating."
 
Re: no one does cognitive disconnect

The classic response to anyone who does not buy into some lunatic liberal scheme: "You are a hater and a bigot."
 
Re: no one does cognitive disconnect

qazplm,

This is rich, even for you. He is not saying that Muslims need to abandon their culture completely.

He is saying they need to assimilate just as every other group of immigrants has in American history. There are some Muslims who have come to America recently who seem loathe to assimilate in any way, shape, or form, except where they can derive benefit from government programs that provide them with sustenance and also at times seem to protect them from having to try to assimilate in any, way, shape or form. Sometimes, they do self-segregate and set up their own "ethnic/religious areas". "Not one of us, not welcome".
 
Typical

"Jihadi John" represents one of the worst aspects of the West's immigration policies, and political attitudes, as he is one of thousands of who actively support or have actually participiated in Islamic jihad. How do you respond?

By hurling some bad names at people who point out awful behavior by Muslims. Yes, we know who you think the real villains are.
 
there is zero evidence

that the vast majority of Muslims here have not assimilated.

Your entire paragraph is bereft of any actual evidence that a meaningful size of folks do any of that.

The only part that has some resonance is that yes, immigrants will often set up near other immigrants, because those folks have, wait for it, figured out how to assimilate, how our culture works, how to navigate things in America and they can help them do the same (without judging them for being foreign).

Just like expat Americans do the same in other countries. Just like those Americans serving overseas in the government or military service do. But folks like you label it "self-segregation."
 
nope

He just represents one example of an exceedingly horrible and evil human being.

And I can recognize that he is that, AND I can recognize when others are using him to make a bigoted point.
 
Re: there is zero evidence

More to the point...immigrants to America have always self-segregated, to an extent.

My grandparents on one side were immigrants from the same country. They married here. They spoke heavily accented English to me. They were successful in business. But the friends they hung out with in many cases were from the same ethnic group.

We've always had Chinatowns and Little Italys and Puerto Rican neighborhoods and on and on in the U.S. This is nothing new! Thing is, while some of the second-gen folks will cling to those areas, most of the kids and grandkids want nothing more than to slide out of that neighborhood, and to slide into mainstream American society.

One big question for some groups now is: does mainstream American (or European) society want them?

And: what has changed that can impact the inevitable assimilation? I'm guessing it's not Jihadi John's parents who radicalized him. But the internet and social media may have changed everything permanently.
 
Re: there is zero evidence

We've always had Chinatowns and Little Italys and Puerto Rican neighborhoods and on and on in the U.S.

Equality! All immigrant groups are interchangeable!

Thing is, while some of the second-gen folks will cling to those areas, most of the kids and grandkids want nothing more than to slide out of that neighborhood, and to slide into mainstream American society.

Is that true for Muslim immigrants? Its certainly true that in Europe 2nd and 3rd generation Muslim are more radical and hostile to the host society.

One big question for some groups now is: does mainstream American (or European) society want them?

Do we get to ask ourselves that question? Or do we have no say in which immigrants, or immigrant groups, can come here?
 
Re: there is zero evidence

We've always had a say. Quotas by country are a consistent part of our history, as far as I know.

You make the statement that "in Europe 2nd and 3rd generation Muslim are more radical and hostile to the host society." Obviously this is not supportable as a generalization. But no doubt some individuals are. What do you think the percentage is? And what is the data source? And how does 2nd and 3rd generation compare with 1st generation? And how much does social isolation/ostracism, and in some cases racism in certain countries, fuel the bitter feelings?

You might be surprised how sympathetic some folks could be to rational conversation about these things, if rational conversation is to be had. After all, as you often point out, it's not as though conflict between Muslim expansionists and entrenched cultures in continental Europe is a particularly new thing.
 
Re: there is zero evidence

We've always had a say. Quotas by country are a consistent part of our history, as far as I know.

We're having less and less of a say. Any opposition to immigration is tarred as "racist", "xenophobic", "anti-immigrant", etc.

There have been periods of very low immigration in this country's past so quotas vary. We used to be more selective. But, again, we can't do that nearly as much thanks to political correctness.

And how much does social isolation/ostracism, and in some cases racism in certain countries, fuel the bitter feelings?

Couldn't have a discussion about hostile Muslims in Europe without bringing up "racism". Is the violence/terrorism rate in Europe the same for non-Muslim immigrants? No, its lower. Somehow the "racism" must've skipped over them.

After all, as you often point out, it's not as though conflict between Muslim expansionists and entrenched cultures in continental Europe is a particularly new thing.

Yet another reason not to import Muslims.
 
How did the importation of this Muslim affect the UK? Correct me if I'm wrong, but he returned to the "caliphate" to fight the war and behead people, yes? Seems an incongruous argument to make in this case.

What should the UK do about this?

Nothing. That's right. That's your plan.

Nothing.
 
Re: no one does cognitive disconnect

Originally posted by SDBoiler1:

This is rich, even for you. He is not saying that Muslims need to abandon their culture completely.

He is saying they need to assimilate just as every other group of immigrants has in American history. There are some Muslims who have come to America recently who seem loathe to assimilate in any way, shape, or form, except where they can derive benefit from government programs that provide them with sustenance and also at times seem to protect them from having to try to assimilate in any, way, shape or form. Sometimes, they do self-segregate and set up their own "ethnic/religious areas". "Not one of us, not welcome".
Click to expand...
Actually.... he said:

"Don't cater to their Islamic sensibilities. Encourage
them to assimilate. Encourage them to emigrate to anywhere else. Pay
them to emigrate. Convert them to anything besides Islam. Encourage
Muslim leftists who will undermine Islam."

And then I asked, what if they don't do all of that? What if they refuse to leave? What if they refuse to convert?

"Nothing."

Good talk.

It's a bunch of rhetoric, and none of you has a solution because there isn't one that aligns with your desire to evict Islam from the United States while also upholding the Constitution of the United States. Tough position you guys have put yourselves in, and at least GMM is intellectually honest enough to admit he hasn't the first clue how to solve this perceived problem.
 
You're right, it didn't affect the UK at all. There are no other Muslims living in the UK who think like he does. They have nothing to worry about.

What should the UK do about this?

Nothing. That's right. That's your plan.

Nothing.

Still searching for some demonic plan so you can shift the focus away from the real problem.

Tell me, if the UK actually stopped importing Muslims, would they be worse off?

If not, what do you recommend the UK do about the growing threat of Islam within its own borders?
 
Re: no one does cognitive disconnect

It's a bunch of rhetoric, and none of you has a solution because there
isn't one that aligns with your desire to evict Islam from the United
States while also upholding the Constitution of the United States.

So, because I don't advocate violating the Constitution I'm the bad guy? Got it.

Tough position you guys have put yourselves in, and at least GMM is
intellectually honest enough to admit he hasn't the first clue how to
solve this perceived problem.

Yep, keep your head buried in the sand. Its how atrocities like the Rotherham pedophile rape gangs are allowed to happen.
 
Re: no one does cognitive disconnect

Never said you were a bad guy, just said you're nothing but hot air and no solutions to the problems you constantly bring up.
 
Point is, if Jihadi John had been raised in Kuwait but learned English there (as many do) it wouldn't be a story. He'd be some dude beheading people. For some reason the fact that he lived in the UK matters, as if the people he is killing are more dead because of it.
I don't want to demonize a plan... I just want you to offer one. This is clearly the biggest problem in your world, but you have no clue how to solve it. You offer nothing to discuss other than hot air.

ISLAM IS BAD!!!

Yeah, so what do we do about it?

STOP IMPORTING IT!!

How?

Uhhhhhhhhh... I dunno.

What about people that are here?

ASSIMILATE THEM!

And if they refuse?

Uh.... I dunno.



Every thread with GMM ever.

Do us a favor and just save the bandwidth. Your schtick is worn out.
 
I don't know why....

he doesn't just say what he clearly really thinks:

Expel all muslims and don't let them in.

And quite frankly, in his heart of hearts, I'm sure he'd be ok with the idea of making this a Whites-only nation.
 
Seriously?

You seriously have no idea how to stop Muslims from emigrating to Western societies? Should we even have an immigration policy?

What about people that are here?

What do we do with Nazis who live here?

Regardless, I guess according to you we'll just have to live with the jihad, the violence, the rapes, the changing of our culture to meet their demands, etc. Nothing we can do to stop it. Enjoy your dhimmitude.
 
Re: no one does cognitive disconnect

Never said you were a bad guy...

Yeah, sure.

......just said you're nothing but hot air and no solutions to the problems you constantly bring up.

Now I understand why you keep saying there are no solutions: you won't accept the idea that solutions are possible. Or, if they're not perfect solutions they don't count. Its just not hard for a country to control which people enter it. Most countries do this. Its also not hard for a society to make civic demands of its citizens. Just about every country does it with varying degrees of success. But, again, if they don't achieve perfect compliance then they're either not solutions at all or you start demanding crazier and crazier solutions to prove they mean it.
 
Re: no one does cognitive disconnect

There are indeed "solutions". Two different issues.

1. Stop Muslim immigration. This is easy to do. Stop giving them visas and deport those who are here illegally.

2. Control of Muslim No Go Communities that are already here. This is much more difficult but it can be done by intense police surveillance similar to that of other undesirable cells in our society (KKK, Nazi Party, Mafia, kiddie porn goons). The biggest hurdle here is electing political leaders who understand that the Religion of Peace wants to kill all infidels. These wackos really, really believe that they'll be rolling in the hair pie of 77 virgins if they die in a jihad.
 
Re: no one does cognitive disconnect


MAYOR REFUSES TO REMOVE PORK FROM SCHOOL CANTEEN- MENU... EXPLAINS WHY

Muslim parents demanded the abolition of pork in all the school canteens of a Montreal suburb.
The mayor of the Montreal suburb of Dorval, has refused, and the town clerk sent a note to all parents to explain why...

"Muslims must understand that they have to adapt to Canada and Quebec, its customs, its traditions, its way of life, because that's where they chose to immigrate.

"They must understand that they have to integrate and learn to live in Quebec.
"They must understand that it is for them to change their lifestyle, not the Canadians who so generously welcomed them.

"They must understand that Canadians are neither racist nor xenophobic, they accepted many immigrants before Muslims (whereas the reverse is not true, in that Muslim states do not accept non-Muslim immigrants).
"That no more than other nations, Canadians are not willing to give up their identity, their culture.
"And if Canada is a land of welcome, it's not the Mayor of Dorval who welcomes foreigners, but the Canadian-Quebecois people as a whole.
"Finally, they must understand that in Canada (Quebec) with its Judeo-Christian roots, Christmas trees, churches and religious festivals, religion must remain in the private domain.
The municipality of Dorval was right to refuse any concessions to Islam and Sharia.
"For Muslims who disagree with secularism and do not feel comfortable in Canada, there are 57 beautiful Muslim countries in the world, most of them under-populated and ready to receive them with open halal arms in accordance with Shariah.
"If you left your country for Canada, and not for other Muslim countries, it is because you have considered that life is better in Canada than elsewhere.
"Ask yourself the question, just once, "Why is it better here in Canada than where you come from?"
"A canteen with pork is part of the answer."

Pork
 
Re: no one does cognitive disconnect

What is the purpose of this post? That the town clerk of Dorval is a plagiarist, you are gullible or that you will spread lies to try and make as point?

PORK IN SCHOOL CANTEENS

A REAL MAYOR WHO REFUSES TO REMOVE PORK FROM THE SCHOOL CANTEENS EXPLAINS WHY


Muslim parents demanded the abolition of pork in all the school canteens of Ath in Belgium.


Marc Duvivier the mayor of Ath, has refused, and the town clerk sent a note to all parents to explain why.


"Muslims must understand that they have to adapt to Belgium, its
customs, its traditions, its way of life, because that's where they
chose to immigrate.


They must understand that they have to integrate and learn to live in Belgium.


They must understand that it is for them to change their lifestyle, not the Belgians who so generously welcomed them.


They must understand that the Athois are neither racist nor
xenophobic, they accepted many immigrants before Muslims (whereas the
reverse is not true that Muslims do not accept non-Muslim foreigners on
their soil).


That no more than other nations, the Belgians are not willing to give up their identity, their culture.


And if Belgium is a land of welcome, it's not Marc Duvivier
that welcomes foreigners, but the Belgian people as a whole.


Finally, they must understand that in Belgium with its
Judeo-Christian roots, Christmas trees, churches and religious
festivals, religion must remain in the private domain. The municipality
of Ath was right to refuse any concessions to Islam and Sharia.


For Muslims that disagree with secularism and do not feel
comfortable in Belgium, there are 57 beautiful Muslim countries in the
world, most of them under-populated and ready to receive them with open
halal arms in accordance with Shariah.


If you left your country for Belgium, and not for other Muslim
countries, it is because you have considered that life is better in
Belgium than elsewhere.


Ask yourself the question, just once, "Why is it better here in Belgium than where you come from?"


A canteen with pork is part of the answer




Boogeymen everywhere
 
Re: no one does cognitive disconnect

Even if that diatribe was written by a right-wing think tank and no town clerk anywhere, I think it is well-written and conveys many meaningful and mostly non-offensive points.

I liked it.

One charitable way to look at, say, GMM's ramblings on the subject would be: if you want to live in a theocracy, go live in a theocracy. I would agree with that.

Of course there's more than that going on beneath the covers, when you consider all the religious history in the U.S., from the Salem witch trials, to the founding of Mormonism and its migrations and permutations, to the "no-go" insular lifestyles of communities of Amish people, to the hysteria around Catholic immigration in the mid-19th century, to "In God We Trust" on coinage and "Under God" added to the Pledge of Allegiance (in the 1950s!), and on and on. Religious oppression of minorities certainly isn't new even in the U.S. with its supposed separation of church and state.

Here, you've probably got to allow a Muslim to wear a hijab in a private boarding school, or a Sikh to keep his beard in the army. But you don't have to inconvenience everyone else in tangible ways. I don't see Hindus on street corners protesting burger joints. I don't see East Asians clamoring for their food preferences in school cafeterias, or Jews making such a big stink about pork in public schools.

Muslim people (and anyone else) who immigrate legally need to have a reasonable concept of these boundaries. If they don't, they'll get an outcome like illegal Mexicans in Arizona, where hateful laws that encourage state harassment and actually cause them to leave are enacted. I hope it doesn't come to that.
 
Re: no one does cognitive disconnect

Point is, Muslims do not assimilate. The clerk's rant is secondary to the insight into the mindset of the Muslim parents, who had the gall to "demand" that all public schools accommodate their loony religious customs. These people have no intention of integrating into Canadian society.
 
Re: no one does cognitive disconnect

I don't really see how creating fictitious events and treating them as real helps the debate.

All of this is nothing new, as you point out. It seems every group has had to deal with it. Each time, each group assimilates and in some cases we take parts of their culture, mix it up and make it our own, ice cream, hotdogs and apple pie...

Just staying with your food issue and religion, do public schools really make no exception for religious groups? Some do some don't. Each community must work that out for themselves. I just checked the HS menu for Charleston County, I have a Catholic relative on the school board, but they do not offer a non meat option on Friday it appears, but Tippecanoe County Indiana does cater to the Catholic students.

One of the problems today is that if something were to happen in Ath Belgium or Dorval Quebec we hear about it instantly and for some strange reason feel that it is happening to us.

Islam is not imposing itself on me, there are no pickets at burger joints and I couldn't tell you in which direction Mecca lies, it's just not an issue, and I assume for 99% of the people working themselves up over the issue, it isn't directly effecting them either.

EDIT- buygreekbonds reply to your post is exactly why there is no place for fiction in these debates, extremist can't separate it from reality.

This post was edited on 2/27 12:10 PM by kescwi

This post was edited on 2/27 12:12 PM by kescwi
 
Re: no one does cognitive disconnect

I get your point but I think that is way overly broad. Especially the most radical "imported" Muslims -- they probably don't get it from their 40-something-year-old parents who immigrated, presumably in most cases self-selected not to mind the idea of living in a society that is Western. The kids get it in many instances from the Internet.

Now if you want to take the position that significant numbers of Muslims immigrate as part of a sinister multi-generational plan to take over the world, that is an entirely different conversation. But I've gotta say if that were the case, they would or should be keeping a lower profile now.

When you call the Muslims' customs "loony," you are contributing to the problem in my opinion. I think not eating pork is a practical anachronism, but I wouldn't call it a "loony" custom. Everybody has customs not grounded in reality -- from shaking hands to tattoos to not talking in elevators to Christmas trees and on and on and on. A custom is just a custom.
 
Re: no one does cognitive disconnect

On the food topic, offering foods that are important or required by a minority is hugely different from cleaning out some other important food so that others' can't have it. I'm good with fish on Fridays. I'd not be good if a vegan ran the cafeteria and wouldn't ever serve me any meat.

A really interesting analogy to the Dorval pork story, that removes the religious component, is nut allergies. You have extremist parents demanding all nut products be removed (can't cite a specific but I believe this has happened). There's gotta be some compromise.
 
Re: no one does cognitive disconnect

Okay, in your analogy if some extremist parents in California campaign, lobby, vote, protest, rally... and finally get all nuts removed from the schools in their community, there is nothing I can do about it, but more importantly I'm not going jump up and down, scream and yell demanding the censure of all parents with food allergies in Charleston for fear they may get the same idea.

Extremists, that is the problem and they win if we give into the basest aspects of fear and human nature by punishing the innocent.
 
Here's something that won't work

But I wouldn't be surprised if you support it:


A day after federal authorities arraigned three young men in Brooklyn on charges of plotting to join the Islamic State of Iraq
and Syria, Borough President Eric Adams announced his office would launch a new effort to help integrate Muslim youth into New York and American society.

Mr. Adams joined with heads of local immigrant groups from ex-Soviet republics in the Central Asia, which is the birthplace of the three men arrested for allegedly seeking to detonate a bomb in Coney Island, assassinate President Barack Obama and hijack a plane and take it to Syria. The Brooklyn leaders warned that many under-30 Muslims-like the
three arrested yesterday-feel alienated in the United States, and find camaraderie and community in militant Islamic websites.

"Many of these young men don't understand how to be part of the American
culture, and someone is not there showing them that process," he said,
suggesting that the Digital Dialogues would be an alternative to
becoming involved in extremist online forums. "We want to be pro-active:
go into these communities, establish relationships with the
communities, identify their young people and have them talk to young
people from America, from Brooklyn, so they can understand that the hate
that they were hearing online, that the hate is not what America is."

Yes, its our fault. Maybe we could get federal grant for some "Digital Dialogues". That oughta do it.


We could demand answers from their friends and family about where they got the idea that joining ISIS was a good idea. Did it come from their local mosque? If not, ask the mosque what programs they have to make sure this never happens again. If they don't have such programs (and they most certainly don't) ask them to implement them. You know, because they're totally on our side and are totally against violence in the name of Islam.

We succeeded in assimilating immigrants in the past. But now it doesn't work anywhere near as well. Is our attitude too much of a guilt-based one where constantly accommodate their demands? Are Muslims just too intransigent? Both?


Or, we could recognize the pattern that Muslim immigrants and their children are far less likely to assimilate and far more likely to wage war against the West so maybe we should just stop importing them.


Mr. Adams, a former NYPD sergeant, said he did not favor reviving Giuliani and Bloomberg era police surveillance programs on Muslim communities. But he called upon local business owners to report suspicious activities to the authorities.

Oh, so police surveillance is bad but local reporting of "suspicious activities" is OK? Yeah, sure. There's no way that any such reporting would be denounced as "racist" or "Islamophobic", right?
 
Re: Here's something that won't work


Originally posted by GMM:
But I wouldn't be surprised if you support it:

...


We could demand answers from their friends and family about where they got the idea that joining ISIS was a good idea. Did it come from their local mosque? If not, ask the mosque what programs they have to make sure this never happens again. If they don't have such programs (and they most certainly don't) ask them to implement them. You know, because they're totally on our side and are totally against violence in the name of Islam.

...

Or, we could recognize the pattern that Muslim immigrants and their children are far less likely to assimilate and far more likely to wage war against the West so maybe we should just stop importing them.

...
Click to expand...
Wait, the system that is in place worked, they were caught before they
could do anything yet that is not enough for you?

The family must answer for this.

What answers and how are you going to demand them?

Mosques, because of
these three individuals, must implement programs to "make sure this never happens again."

How? and what happens when they can't?

Here we are again, you say the children of immigrants will not assimilate so the question becomes, after you stop immigration, what do you do with those already in the West?

That's right, nothing. You time and time again make claims of the evils of all of Islam and how it is in an all or nothing war with the West but you propose to do nothing about the non-assimilating Muslims already in the West.

They are okay to stay and not a threat that needs to be addressed with anything more than "encouragement?" Interesting, if that is all it takes to make a Muslim none threatening then why not let them all emigrate to the West and simply "encourage" them rather than waist money fighting them?
 
Well, that's one way of putting it

Wait, the system that is in place worked, they were caught before they could do anything yet that is not enough for you?

Great idea. We'll just keep hoping that the authorities stop them before they attack. Of course if they had never come here in the first place we wouldn't have to spend our resources on things like this. But, forget that. Keeping importing future terrorist threats!

The family must answer for this.

Something tells me you're going for the exaggeration strategy.

What answers and how are you going to demand them?

If we had a news media that believed in this country they'd already be on this. How was the militia movement treated by the news media in the wake of the McVeigh attack?

Mosques, because of these three individuals, must implement programs to "make sure this never happens again."

Yeah, "three individuals". That's all. There is no pattern to recognize. Move along.

That's right, nothing. You time and time again make claims of the evils
of all of Islam and how it is in an all or nothing war with the West but
you propose to do nothing about the non-assimilating Muslims already in
the West.

You and gr8 keep going back and forth between denouncing my recommendations and then saying I don't have any recommendations.

Assuming you acknowledge the problem of a lack of assimilation, terrorist attacks, support for terrorists, hostility, a supremacist attitude, etc., what are your recommendations to handle this problem?

Or maybe you'll just deny there is a problem and keep insisting that its just another random "three individuals" who are not at all part of overall pattern.
 
Re: Well, that's one way of putting it

Exaggeration strategy, give me a break, according to you if one Muslim farts all of Islam has gas. Plus you are the one who said, "We could demand answers from their friends and family about where they got the idea that joining ISIS was a good idea."

Again with the media, my lord just because you will believe any little bit of propaganda your side puts out doesn't mean the rest of us are as gullible.

Did you demand Catholic Churches implement programs stopping the IRA from terrorist activities?

They were already here, if we stopped "importing" Islam last week they still would have been here? You keep dodging the point and won't take it to it's logical conclusion. You are the one who continually states ALL Islam is a threat, Muslims WILL NOT assimilate, every bad act by a Muslim is PROOF of a pattern. No one is putting those words in your mouth, so if ALL are a threat, they WILL NOT assimilate and every terrorist act in the history of mankind perpetrated by a Muslim is PROOF that all Muslims are a threat then how do we deal with the ones already in the West? According to you we don't, we will be okay just as long as we don't import them.
 
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