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I can't remember any team in history disintegrate like this without having an injury. They were a top 5 team a month ago & have lost 5 of 6 (only win to Minnesota by 4 points). What happened. I have no doubt in my mind that if you switch our game schedule against Iowa only with IU, Purdue would have won the B1G. Like GK always said, it's not who you play, it's when you play them.
 
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One theory, put forth by someone in the other Iowa thread, was that Iowa has a very short bench, causing the starters to play extended minutes. That has lead to them being exhausted at this point in the season. They were short arming shots and failing to hustle for rebounds. If we were to play them now, we would take them 2/2 times. Too bad we got them while they were hot.

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One theory, put forth by someone in the other Iowa thread, was that Iowa has a very short bench, causing the starters to play extended minutes. That has lead to them being exhausted at this point in the season. They were short arming shots and failing to hustle for rebounds. If we were to play them now, we would take them 2/2 times. Too bad we got them while they were hot.

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I don't buy the short bench theory. There are and have been over the years, a lot of teams with short benches. They just don't look like the same team.
 
They were never a top 5 quality team. They are now what they were in the first half against Purdue. Their incredible RISE to that lofty position is what should be questioned. They are now much closer to where most thought they would be. Timing and luck and all kinds of voodoo can impact 3 or 4 games. The season usually pans out about right at the end.
 
One theory, put forth by someone in the other Iowa thread, was that Iowa has a very short bench, causing the starters to play extended minutes. That has lead to them being exhausted at this point in the season. They were short arming shots and failing to hustle for rebounds. If we were to play them now, we would take them 2/2 times. Too bad we got them while they were hot.

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Uthoff is just in a shooting slump. Iowa looks fast, quick, strong and on their game. But when your best player is in a slump, it hurts. It's not like it's going to last much longer, just like in baseball, great players work out of their slumps.... water finds its level. Look for Uthoff to go "off" last game of season (which i believe is a road game in ann arbor) and in the Big Ten Tourney.
 
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What do you mean? This Purdue team gets 15-20 pt leads in almost every game and then disintegrates to where we either pull it out by the skin of our teeth or lose in some cases. No injuries. Back on topic, though, Iowa was a hot team early in the BIG season and now they are just playing like everyone expected them to which is middle of the pack.
 
What do you mean? This Purdue team gets 15-20 pt leads in almost every game and then disintegrates to where we either pull it out by the skin of our teeth or lose in some cases. No injuries. Back on topic, though, Iowa was a hot team early in the BIG season and now they are just playing like everyone expected them to which is middle of the pack.
I am not sure who you are replying to, but I will respond anyway. I'll give you my 2 cents - exact;ly what this opinion is worth!

I know it seems it only happens to us, but its not true. I watched 6-7 games over the last two weeks (God! I've got to get a life). In all but 2, the team leading by a substantial margin had their opponent chew up the lead and close with them in the last few minutes. It happens regularly. Basketball is a game of runs.

When Nebraska went on their 12-2 run (IIRC) at the end of the first half, their all-BIG player, Shields, showed why he is all-BIG. How many all-BIG's guys do we have? It is not unreasonable to think he might try to dominate the play. He did but ran out of energy by mid-second half, or so. His supporting class was not up to the task of winning.

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I am not sure who you are replying to, but I will respond anyway. I'll give you my 2 cents - exact;ly what this opinion is worth!

I know it seems it only happens to us, but its not true. I watched 6-7 games over the last two weeks (God! I've got to get a life). In all but 2, the team leading by a substantial margin had their opponent chew up the lead and close with them in the last few minutes. It happens regularly. Basketball is a game of runs.

When Nebraska went on their 12-2 run (IIRC) at the end of the first half, their all-BIG player, Shields, showed why he is all-BIG. How many all-BIG's guys do we have? It is not unreasonable to think he might try to dominate the play. He did but ran out of energy by mid-second half, or so. His supporting class was not up to the task of winning.

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That's why they call it... "A game of runs". Exactly right
 
Uthoff is just in a shooting slump. Iowa looks fast, quick, strong and on their game. But when your best player is in a slump, it hurts. It's not like it's going to last much longer, just like in baseball, great players work out of their slumps.... water finds its level. Look for Uthoff to go "off" last game of season (which i believe is a road game in ann arbor) and in the Big Ten Tourney.
Disagree. They looked tentative, and did not pour in outside shots like they did during their peak. Jok couldn't hit from the outside, and Geseille (sp?) was pretty ineffective. Their center, ol' poke-eye, was getting out positioned and out hustled for rebounds. I would not call that "fast & strong". In fact, they all looked tired.

Maybe it was the pace IU played at. Maybe it was their short bench. Maybe it was something we don't know, like the coach having long practices on the morning of game day. Who knows? I just hope they play this way when and if we play them again.

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Thing I noticed with Iowa was they had a habit of getting down by 14-18 and then had to claw back.

Happened both times against IU and the first game against Purdue, I didn't see the second game with you guys.

You just can't keep putting yourself in a hole like that and expect to win. As far as Uthoff's shooting slump, he had 18 last night against IU. I haven't seen the box score to know how many shots he took, the kid has no limit to his range.
 
Thing I noticed with Iowa was they had a habit of getting down by 14-18 and then had to claw back.

Happened both times against IU and the first game against Purdue, I didn't see the second game with you guys.

You just can't keep putting yourself in a hole like that and expect to win. As far as Uthoff's shooting slump, he had 18 last night against IU. I haven't seen the box score to know how many shots he took, the kid has no limit to his range.
Agree. They seem listless and disengaged during much of the game, then they put on the afterburners to try and catch up.
 
What do you mean? This Purdue team gets 15-20 pt leads in almost every game and then disintegrates to where we either pull it out by the skin of our teeth or lose in some cases. No injuries. Back on topic, though, Iowa was a hot team early in the BIG season and now they are just playing like everyone expected them to which is middle of the pack.
Yes, but that is our MO. Iowa was very good most of the year, not half to half like Purdue
 
Yes, but that is our MO. Iowa was very good most of the year, not half to half like Purdue
That's exactly the issue I have with many posters here. 4Purdue, please forgive me, but I will use this as an example. You think this half-to-half stuff is our MO? Please watch more than just Purdue. Most of college basketball looks like this, especially when there is as much parity in the college game as there is this year. Unless there is a blow-out, this is EVRYBODY's MO. It boils down to emotion, especially when teams are evenly matched on talent. 17-19 year old kids are all over the map emotionally. Nobody is consistent. We had a couple games we let down in the second half, but that does not make it our "MO".

Sorry to be fussy about this, but I just get tired of people noting flaws in the team and assuming everybody else is perfect.
 
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I'm just disappointed they lost last night. And at home too. It gave the local paper another chance to puff their unbiased IU chest all out. Again. Enough to hurl your breakfast.
 
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That's exactly the issue I have with many posters here. 4Purdue, please forgive me, but I will use this as an example. You think this half-to-half stuff is our MO? Please watch more than just Purdue. Most of college basketball looks like this, especially when there is as much parity in the college game as there is this year. Unless there is a blow-out, this is EVRYBODY's MO. It boils down to emotion, especially when teams are evenly matched on talent. 17-19 year old kids are all over the map emotionally. Nobody is consistent. We had a couple games we let down in the second half, but that does not make it our "MO".

Sorry to be fussy about this, but I just get tired of people noting flaws in the team and assuming everybody else is perfect.
I watch tons of college hoops, and yes it does happen, but with Purdue, not only has it happened, it happened fast and often. We blew a 10 point lead in 40 seconds of game clock.
 
What do you mean? This Purdue team gets 15-20 pt leads in almost every game and then disintegrates to where we either pull it out by the skin of our teeth or lose in some cases. No injuries. Back on topic, though, Iowa was a hot team early in the BIG season and now they are just playing like everyone expected them to which is middle of the pack.

My theory on our big, early leads that go away.

Refs blow whistle on interior post play defenders at start of game. Our inside game dominates. As game progresses, two things happen that take away this domination:

1. Primary reason: They quit blowing whistle on post defense and hack-a-hammons/haas takes away our domination
2. Secondary reason: Hammons and Haas get in foul trouble and are less aggressive

If refs called interior fouls fairly the ENTIRE game instead of only at the beginning, the opponent would have no players left by halftime.

Oh, and Colin Hartman would be fouled out within 5 mins every game. lol
 
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I can't remember any team in history disintegrate like this without having an injury. They were a top 5 team a month ago & have lost 5 of 6 (only win to Minnesota by 4 points). What happened. I have no doubt in my mind that if you switch our game schedule against Iowa only with IU, Purdue would have won the B1G. Like GK always said, it's not who you play, it's when you play them.

While the winner is humping the prom queen.
 
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I can't remember any team in history disintegrate like this without having an injury. They were a top 5 team a month ago & have lost 5 of 6 (only win to Minnesota by 4 points). What happened. I have no doubt in my mind that if you switch our game schedule against Iowa only with IU, Purdue would have won the B1G. Like GK always said, it's not who you play, it's when you play them.
Fran has to be the worst clock manager and the worst end game coach in Division 1. And yet, IU still came very close to blowing another game at the end. Two Tone just has that knack.
 
Fran has to be the worst clock manager and the worst end game coach in Division 1. And yet, IU still came very close to blowing another game at the end. Two Tone just has that knack.

And yet IU won and few will remember how that game ended, but winning the B1G outright is etched forever... and Twindegrees will once again go home and kick his dog because there's nothing he can do about it.
 
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That's exactly the issue I have with many posters here. 4Purdue, please forgive me, but I will use this as an example. You think this half-to-half stuff is our MO? Please watch more than just Purdue. Most of college basketball looks like this, especially when there is as much parity in the college game as there is this year. Unless there is a blow-out, this is EVRYBODY's MO. It boils down to emotion, especially when teams are evenly matched on talent. 17-19 year old kids are all over the map emotionally. Nobody is consistent. We had a couple games we let down in the second half, but that does not make it our "MO".

Sorry to be fussy about this, but I just get tired of people noting flaws in the team and assuming everybody else is perfect.
Plus let's also remember this is the first year with all the new rules and no two games will be called the same. I think these rules will take time for everyone to adjust to (officials included) and may be impacting things more than we think.
 
While the winner is humping the prom queen.
Thanks for the LOL!

Not taking anything away from IU's victory at Iowa, I don't think I have ever seen a team sink so fast as Iowa without an injury to a key starter. I saw Purdue do the same drop after Hummel got injured, but as far as I know, Iowa is not suffering with any injuries.

For a while durring the season, Utoff, Jok and company looked unbeatable, and were top 5 ranked. Then they have dropped to also rans. I know IU fans want to think it was their defense, but I think Iowa started to sink well before the IU game. Maybe IU just pushed the corpse into the hole.

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My theory on our big, early leads that go away.

Refs blow whistle on interior post play defenders at start of game. Our inside game dominates. As game progresses, two things happen that take away this domination:

1. Primary reason: They quit blowing whistle on post defense and hack-a-hammons/haas takes away our domination
2. Secondary reason: Hammons and Haas get in foul trouble and are less aggressive

If refs called interior fouls fairly the ENTIRE game instead of only at the beginning, the opponent would have no players left by halftime.

Oh, and Colin Hartman would be fouled out within 5 mins every game. lol
Yes , you are right, and #2 is because of the refs. I've never seen such bad officiating. And bad officiating is due to bias toward IU & Michigan State. MSU because of IZZO and his intimidation factor, even though he is a midget, and IU because of the Bobby Knight factor still lingering. I think they think Bobby will suddenly appear and throw a chair if too many fouls are called on IU.
 
Yes , you are right, and #2 is because of the refs. I've never seen such bad officiating. And bad officiating is due to bias toward IU & Michigan State. MSU because of IZZO and his intimidation factor, even though he is a midget, and IU because of the Bobby Knight factor still lingering. I think they think Bobby will suddenly appear and throw a chair if too many fouls are called on IU.

When Bobby threw the chair, I don't think he endeared himself to very many refs. In fact, the psychology would have worked in reverse. A good many refs would have been extra interested in calling fouls oin IU after that tyrade.

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Thanks for the LOL!

Not taking anything away from IU's victory at Iowa, I don't think I have ever seen a team sink so fast as Iowa without an injury to a key starter. I saw Purdue do the same drop after Hummel got injured, but as far as I know, Iowa is not suffering with any injuries.

For a while durring the season, Utoff, Jok and company looked unbeatable, and were top 5 ranked. Then they have dropped to also rans. I know IU fans want to think it was their defense, but I think Iowa started to sink well before the IU game. Maybe IU just pushed the corpse into the hole.

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I agree. I think if Purdue gets a third chance at Iowa, they might actually stand a chance of winning!

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