Quoted at halftime interview as saying,"you are not going to beat North Carolina by just playing defense, our problem is on offense." I don't care for the guy or his program, but he has been around forever and obviously knows a bit about basketball. I think with all the rule changes and the evolution of the college game, defense no longer wins by itself. You have to be able to score points as well. Not sure that thought process has totally permeated our proud program yet. Hopefully we can make the necessary adjustments and not only win a lot of regular season games, but advance in the tournament as well.
Interesting comment from Boeheim..
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Villinova plays some amazing D. Wouldnt of mattered if they weren't hitting consistently tonight they still would of won.
You always need both at this level. Syracuse was not a good offensive team this year (ranked outside of the top 50 in KemPom). Defense carried them to the Final Four, but Carolina is great on both ends of the court.
As far as Purdue, I'd argue that this year's team was pretty balanced as far as offensive and defensive efficiency and next year's team will probably be much better on offense than on defense.
A few stops in the second half would have given them a chance.
You can't trade buckets and win. Defense can always be there. Defense will get you to the tourney, hot shooting will win it.
Yes. He's right. You usually have to be good at both to beat other good teams. I marvel at how some people think this is some sort of revelation. Boeheim is like, "You know, to win it all we have to play well offensively AND defensively".
Some people on this board act like he must be the best coach ever for pointing this out. Wait until he divulges that he is trying to score more points than the other team!
Some people on this board act like he must be the best coach ever for pointing this out. Wait until he divulges that he is trying to score more points than the other team!
Purdue seemed to be a capable and efficient scoring team until late game situations where handling pressure and controlling clock became important. That's when we gave up leads consistently with scoring droughts. That's the key issue for this team in 16-17.
i agree and would add that when you have 2-3 players who are hesitant to shoot and then start "slowing it down" that will be a big problem again next year.
work it for a good shot but anyone who gets open needs to be a threat. it hasn't been that way for years. i'm thinking of tacos, the guy was a good shooter but wouldn't shoot. many other guys in the past few years plus this years team.
that is my complaint with painter, it's not natural for a guy to not want to score, he must take that out of them
Umm... He's been to 5 final fours and won a National Championship. I think that puts him in pretty elite company. Call me when Matt gets us to an elite 8
I heard that and actually thought...what the hell is THAT suppose to mean? I also thought I heard him say , "you are not going to beat NC just with D" and that is a whole different scenario. What I think he wanted to say was that NC is soooooooooo solid at soooooooo many spots that a good D will not be good enough ALONE and that he needed the team to have a better than usual O as well. Nobody that has ever coached and recognized as a good coach would state that D is not important or that D should not be the staple of a good program...nobody.
Now your comments about the rule changes (although they let them play yesterday) have skewed to game to less coach effect and more player is true. The 30 second clock is the opiate that sedates many that watch...
Paul Westhead at Loyola Marymount did not care about defense. They played a run and gun style and I believe still hold the record for the most points scored in a game. They gave up 150 points in a game and still won by 31.
Boeheim also stated this past week in a NY paper , that yea we broke some rules but I didn't cheat and we didn't benefit from breaking some rules.
fully aware of that and fully aware of Gaithers and Kimble. Do you consider him a top coach or even a "good" coach?
Here is a well-written article on Westhead's style as it might work today ... http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...th-25-years-bo-kimble-paul-westhead/24447175/
certainly the rule changes make it much more viable than years ago. Personally, I hate the shot clock as it makes the game more one dimensional. I want the coaches to coach the best way for the players in the team to beat the opposition...but I'm out of fashion and I know that.
Well, I think out-of-fashion may well be the better way to be. Not much about today that I think is great. But, today is the day we must live.
When you break the press you have to look to score. Painter motions them late in the game with a lead to back it out and not continue towards the basket. That just gives the opposition free license to press without fear of giving up a easy shot.
Who is questioning his tournament success? I just think it's hilarious that the premise of this thread was giving him props for pointing out that his team needed to be good on both end of the court in order to advance and play for a national championship. Fairly obvious.
are you saying Matt hasn't had the same perceived success or Matt's teams have no offense?
Pretty much both. Yelling at your team to "move" on offense for 40 min. tells me all I need to know. You should be teaching that in practice, not during a game. If 19-20 year old kids don't know to move on offense, when your trying to run a motion offense, your not doing a very good job at practice. I really wish he would quit doing that, I'm embarrassed for him.
I was questioned if he is a good coach. He won an NBA title, which I would argue is much more difficult than an NCAA title.
That wasn't the question that you responded to. You wrote:
"Paul Westhead at Loyola Marymount did not care about defense. They played a run and gun style and I believe still hold the record for the most points scored in a game. They gave up 150 points in a game and still won by 31."
I asked if they won the natiional championship. With those record-breaking offensive numbers, I expected that your point was that the team won a national championship. After all, isn't this the point being made... offense wins championships?
He did not, but he did go to an E8 with a team that's best player died less than a month before.
You do realize that Hank Gaithers died right before the NCAA tourney right?
fatigue makes cowards of us all...you do realize that we teach children how to add and subtract for a few years? I'm too far away to hear move for 40 minutes. What do the other coaches do while the game is going on? Can you imagine a college player having never faced a press before?
I've heard it from several coaches. For the motion offense to work players have to move, making sharp cuts. Players at times go brain dead from fatigue and if you have a player going one on one like Ronnie did. Painter yells move and you are right, it's really not a big deal most of the game.
Yes. An many people think that Purdue would have had at least one FF if Robbie Hummel had stayed healthy. So where does that leave the argument that offense wins championships?
Your really going to compare a death to a torn ACL? I can't believe you went there.
Purdue's offensive stats in the Big Ten this year were actually better than their defensive statistics.
As for the rule changes, if you haven't noticed, Purdue's defense is very different than it once was. There's a lot fewer risks being taken.
The notion that we have not adjusted is pretty silly.
I'm not sure Painter hasn't figured out his offense needs to improve, if that is what you are insinuating. I have to give him more credit than that. However, I don't think he has figured out how to consistently recruit guards who can create their own shot, which is what so often wins in March/April. Or maybe he hasn't developed guys to be effective/creative scorers. In the last 9 years, he has landed Moore who could consistently create his shot and score efficiently. I'm struggling to think of even 1 more. Not Scott, RJ, Anthony Johnson, Stephens, Mathias, Cline, etc. Maybe you can throw in Lew Jack who could get to the bucket, but couldn't shoot from the outside with any consistency.
Stats can tell one part of the story, but if you watched our losses, it was pretty clear why we didn't win, regularly going long stretches without getting a bucket and not having anyone that could get us on a run while we watched double digit leads dwindle way in the 2nd half.
The PG position is the most important on the court. He's the QB and all the offense flows through him. But, he has to be able to more than feed the post and play D for 94 feet.
That's been Painter's program. His PGs are usually 1 dimensional and usually what they're missing is the offense.
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