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Illinois paid leave for any reason!

Sure, why not. I know, 2 of the 3 unions at US Steel Gary Works do not have paid call-offs or leave. What if your child is sick and you have to stay home? Or have to go to the child's school for something. Or, you are sick yourself and want to stay home. Not getting paid for leave forces people to go to work sick spreading it to others in the workplace. Salaried personnel in various industries get paid time off all the time.
 
It’s called vacation time or a paid sick day if one needs time off.

To be clear what my wife's work does, is put vacation, sick leave and paid time off under one PTO no excuses umbrella. Probably why she gets 6 full weeks?
Think that is the way to go.
 
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It’s called vacation time or a paid sick day if one needs time off.

Sorry, I agree with you on most posts but I worked for Alcoa for 15 years. There was no paid sick time. Sick or Dr appointment you missed a day of pay. Vacation was by the week and scheduled months in advance.
 
Didn’t realize that at a place like Alcoa that happened. Seems like the union would have negotiated that into a contract with salaried employees getting some benefit from that. I just hate to see the government telling employers what they have to do when some might have in place already with sick or vacation time.
 
One has to earn the time off and it's limited to 40 hours, so no big deal I think.
Hopefully it'll keep workers at home when they have transmittable illnesses.
 
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Pritzker signs this bill today.


It’s called vacation time or a paid sick day if one needs time off.
Again, some hourly workers don't get paid time off. That's a big deal in the railroad industry. They don't get paid sick leave. They have to use up their vacation time in order to call off sick, deal with kids, etc.

That's the problem with the right wingers. If the common, everyday worker gets a benefit of some sort, y'all demonize it every time.
 
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Again, some hourly workers don't get paid time off. That's a big deal in the railroad industry. They don't get paid sick leave. They have to use up their vacation time in order to call off sick, deal with kids, etc.

That's the problem with the right wingers. If the common, everyday worker gets a benefit of some sort, y'all demonize it every time.
Don’t you fret some everyday worker gets plenty of benefits today. I don’t begrudge their benefits. I just don’t like the government telling companies what to do. Today if an employee doesn’t like something, then quit and get another job. There’s plenty of jobs available today.
 
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Yeah, but you have no problems with ne'er do wells like Gov. DeSantis telling educators in Florida what to teach and what not to teach, particularly when it came to that AP African America Studies class and banning books. Or VA Gov Youngkin and other red states banning CRT and books.

You also live in NW Indiana. Of all the steel mills we have in East Chicago, Gary, Portage, and Burns Harbor, plus all the other surrounding industrial plants you have to complain if they may get paid time off that they did not before. You say get another job. Number 1 these folks like their job. Secondly, a steelworker operator on the galvanize line can't just leave and go somewhere else. If he does and gets another hourly job, he will be in the same boat of not getting paid leave. You guys are so out of touch with everyday lives and people.
 
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That's the problem with the right wingers. If the common, everyday worker gets a benefit of some sort, y'all demonize it every time.

Hmmm,...you call me a right winger. Yet I am for this. ???? Interesting. Kind of blows up your "argument"

Btw...The 'right winger" label. Labeling people is an argument tool of the weak minded and insecure ......reminds me if Trump. I guess you and him have the need to label people in common. Should we call you Trump Jr? Lol.
 
Yeah, but you have no problems with ne'er do wells like Gov. DeSantis telling educators in Florida what to teach and what not to teach, particularly when it came to that AP African America Studies class and banning books. Or VA Gov Youngkin and other red states banning CRT and books.

You also live in NW Indiana. Of all the steel mills we have in East Chicago, Gary, Portage, and Burns Harbor, plus all the other surrounding industrial plants you have to complain if they may get paid time off that they did not before. You say get another job. Number 1 these folks like their job. Secondly, a steelworker operator on the galvanize line can't just leave and go somewhere else. If he does and gets another hourly job, he will be in the same boat of not getting paid leave. You guys are so out of touch with everyday lives and people.
It’s amazing I worked 40 years with a family and seem so out of touch with everyday problems. :rolleyes:
 
Hmmm,...you call me a right winger. Yet I am for this. ???? Interesting. Kind of blows up your "argument"

Btw...The 'right winger" label. Labeling people is an argument tool of the weak minded and insecure ......reminds me if Trump. I guess you and him have the need to label people in common. Should we call you Trump Jr? Lol.
Yes, I read your post and I am glad that you are for this. Perhaps I should have said most right wingers.

As far as labels, you know folks on this board throw the term liberals around all the time. The liberals this, the liberals that. To use your words, i guess most folks on this board are weak minded.
 
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It’s amazing I worked 40 years with a family and seem so out of touch with everyday problems. :rolleyes:
Have you even worked a job where you did not get paid time off? Or know someone that does not get paid time off.
 
Yes, I read your post and I am glad that you are for this. Perhaps I should have said most right wingers.

As far as labels, you know folks on this board throw the term liberals around all the time. The liberals this, the liberals that. To use your words, i guess most folks on this board are weak minded.
Well done.
 
I have. Times were more strict when I worked than they are now.
Times are more strict? What are you talking about. These steelworkers, railroad engineers and conductors have families like you. They get sick, kids get sick, school obligations to go up to the school to see what’s going on with your child etc. Same as back in the day. It’s just a shame that they have to use up their vacation days in order take off. It’s bad at Kellogg’s in Battle Creek, MI. also.
 
Times are more strict? What are you talking about. These steelworkers, railroad engineers and conductors have families like you. They get sick, kids get sick, school obligations to go up to the school to see what’s going on with your child etc. Same as back in the day. It’s just a shame that they have to use up their vacation days in order take off. It’s bad at Kellogg’s in Battle Creek, MI.
Yeah things were tighter then than now I was union at Alcoa 73-88. A sick or family day was unpaid. Vacation could not be used by the day and there were no sick days.
 
Times are more strict? What are you talking about. These steelworkers, railroad engineers and conductors have families like you. They get sick, kids get sick, school obligations to go up to the school to see what’s going on with your child etc. Same as back in the day. It’s just a shame that they have to use up their vacation days in order take off. It’s bad at Kellogg’s in Battle Creek, MI. also.
That’s life my friend. If you have a job and a family things happen. I had to take vacation days many times when the kids were sick or parents needed help or other things. Other times if I needed to be off it was unpaid. Unfortunately the company expected me to be at work, imagine that.
 
Yeah, but you have no problems with ne'er do wells like Gov. DeSantis telling educators in Florida what to teach and what not to teach, particularly when it came to that AP African America Studies class and banning books. Or VA Gov Youngkin and other red states banning CRT and books.

You also live in NW Indiana. Of all the steel mills we have in East Chicago, Gary, Portage, and Burns Harbor, plus all the other surrounding industrial plants you have to complain if they may get paid time off that they did not before. You say get another job. Number 1 these folks like their job. Secondly, a steelworker operator on the galvanize line can't just leave and go somewhere else. If he does and gets another hourly job, he will be in the same boat of not getting paid leave. You guys are so out of touch with everyday lives and people.
There are no books banned in Florida. This is a myth and I again feel sorry for you that you let people lie to you. WhT is prohibited are certain books in school libraries that are not age appropriate and pornographic. I.e there are no books that are prohibited to be purchased or read by a citizen of Florida.

Conversely. Illinois the Governor requires teachers to teach sex ed and gender Identity to 6 year olds. This you are ok with.
 
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Yeah, but you have no problems with ne'er do wells like Gov. DeSantis telling educators in Florida what to teach and what not to teach, particularly when it came to that AP African America Studies class and banning books. Or VA Gov Youngkin and other red states banning CRT and books.

You also live in NW Indiana. Of all the steel mills we have in East Chicago, Gary, Portage, and Burns Harbor, plus all the other surrounding industrial plants you have to complain if they may get paid time off that they did not before. You say get another job. Number 1 these folks like their job. Secondly, a steelworker operator on the galvanize line can't just leave and go somewhere else. If he does and gets another hourly job, he will be in the same boat of not getting paid leave. You guys are so out of touch with everyday lives and people.
As the son of a former Union steel worker at Wisconsin Steel I ask you if PTO/sick leave was a concern why did the Union representatives not bargain this? Do (heavy) dues paying members not pay these people to deliver the demands of the worker? You act like it’s the company not providing? And before you respond for disclosure here is the union’s release on their accomplishments. 20% pay increase. Increased medical benefits. Increased pension. Extra holiday. So it looks like they received benefits most American workers haven’t realized. Summary. Be mad at your union for not representing the membership if this is THE priority. But my experience union reps don’t always do that. I would also ask them for info on who they are making millions in political contributions to and if those people support policies that help or hurt their sector. You think the Green Agenda is good for your steel working friends?

https://m.usw.org/news/media-center...kers-ratify-four-year-contract-with-u-s-steel
 
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Yeah, but you have no problems with ne'er do wells like Gov. DeSantis telling educators in Florida what to teach and what not to teach, particularly when it came to that AP African America Studies class and banning books. Or VA Gov Youngkin and other red states banning CRT and books.
I see you are busy spreading your usual incoherence on this thread while continuing to hide from replying to the facts I posted about Fox news v the regime media in the idiot faux news thread you started.

Afraid to speak up and admit you didn't know what you were talking about, instead of hiding like a clownpants fan after the Bucket game - or even worse, like Bob? Maybe you should say you 'misspoke' like you did after stating repeatedly that CRT is only taught in law schools.

I wouldn't really care about all your incoherent posts, except I have become increasingly annoyed with your penchant for calling others fools in the midst of your ongoing and vast display of confusion and ignorance.

DeSantis, btw, just won re-election in a landslide against a pro-teacher's union hack, Charlie Christ. Do you think the citizens of Florida might know more about the topic than you do, there in northern Indiana or wherever you are?
 
As the son of a former Union steel worker at Wisconsin Steel I ask you if PTO/sick leave was a concern why did the Union representatives not bargain this? Do (heavy) dues paying members not pay these people to deliver the demands of the worker? You act like it’s the company not providing? And before you respond for disclosure here is the union’s release on their accomplishments. 20% pay increase. Increased medical benefits. Increased pension. Extra holiday. So it looks like they received benefits most American workers haven’t realized. Summary. Be mad at your union for not representing the membership if this is THE priority. But my experience union reps don’t always do that. I would also ask them for info on who they are making millions in political contributions to and if those people support policies that help or hurt their sector. You think the Green Agenda is good for your steel working friends?

https://m.usw.org/news/media-center...kers-ratify-four-year-contract-with-u-s-steel
Yeah, union workers may have conceded paid time off for other benefits. Other unions may not have.
 
I see you are busy spreading your usual incoherence on this thread while continuing to hide from replying to the facts I posted about Fox news v the regime media in the idiot faux news thread you started.

Afraid to speak up and admit you didn't know what you were talking about, instead of hiding like a clownpants fan after the Bucket game - or even worse, like Bob? Maybe you should say you 'misspoke' like you did after stating repeatedly that CRT is only taught in law schools.

I wouldn't really care about all your incoherent posts, except I have become increasingly annoyed with your penchant for calling others fools in the midst of your ongoing and vast display of confusion and ignorance.

DeSantis, btw, just won re-election in a landslide against a pro-teacher's union hack, Charlie Christ. Do you think the citizens of Florida might know more about the topic than you do, there in northern Indiana or wherever you are?
So, you agree with Tucker that's the deplorables on Jan 6 were tourists?
 
Yeah, but you have no problems with ne'er do wells like Gov. DeSantis telling educators in Florida what to teach and what not to teach, particularly when it came to that AP African America Studies class and banning books. Or VA Gov Youngkin and other red states banning CRT and books.

You also live in NW Indiana. Of all the steel mills we have in East Chicago, Gary, Portage, and Burns Harbor, plus all the other surrounding industrial plants you have to complain if they may get paid time off that they did not before. You say get another job. Number 1 these folks like their job. Secondly, a steelworker operator on the galvanize line can't just leave and go somewhere else. If he does and gets another hourly job, he will be in the same boat of not getting paid leave. You guys are so out of touch with everyday lives and people.
Why do you worry about Youngkin banning CRT when they are not teaching it there or anywhere else any way? Curious minds would like to know.
 
Why do you worry about Youngkin banning CRT when they are not teaching it there or anywhere else any way? Curious minds would like to know.
I'm not worried about it as I don't live in VA. I just find it dumb and a waste of time discussing, let alone banning something that is not taught in K-12. CRT is taught only in law schools AND (Riveting) some graduate schools. Then he incorporates a so called "Hot Line" for people to call in to report any teachings of this so called buggy man, called CRT. Youngkin, and 99% of Americans can't even define CRT but want it banned. Youngkin, DeSantis, and other repubs have fallen into the false narrative of banning tenants of black history, labeling it erroneously as CRT so that they have an excuse to not teach certain tenants of black history. Because of this false narrative, a few US school districts have tried to ban books even about Rosa Parks.

On the subject of banning stuff. DeSantis proposed an anti-diverse, equity, and Inclusion bill, HB 999. Many black fraternities and black sororities from the FL state colleges and universities are concerned about how that bill will have an effect on how they operate on these campuses.
 
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So, you agree with Tucker that's the deplorables on Jan 6 were tourists?
I don't agree that all were tourists, but you are hiding from backing up this idiot statement you made and that I challenged with three major examples proving otherwise:

"Dude, it’s no question Faux News. CNN, ABC, MSNBC never spread horrible propaganda like Faux News does."

I just bumped it for you. Don't hide, 'dude', back up what you said or admit you didn't know what you were talking about, as is your custom.
 
I don't agree that all were tourists, but you are hiding from backing up this idiot statement you made and that I challenged with three major examples proving otherwise:

"Dude, it’s no question Faux News. CNN, ABC, MSNBC never spread horrible propaganda like Faux News does."

I just bumped it for you. Don't hide, 'dude', back up what you said or admit you didn't know what you were talking about, as is your custom.
CNN the coverup news now media outlet along with almost all of the others for the Democratic Party.
 
I don't agree that all were tourists, but you are hiding from backing up this idiot statement you made and that I challenged with three major examples proving otherwise:

"Dude, it’s no question Faux News. CNN, ABC, MSNBC never spread horrible propaganda like Faux News does."

I just bumped it for you. Don't hide, 'dude', back up what you said or admit you didn't know what you were talking about, as is your custom.
"Tourists", as Tucker calls them is the gist of my thread. NONE of the deplorables were tourists. Absolutely none. Nobody is hiding any of that footage of them walking around the Capitol. I saw some of that footage on the news stations right after JAN 6 happened. Again, that footage of them walking around was of the first idiots to arrive from the earlier rally. That is obvious as no Capitol police were showing the deplorables around later when the rest of them arrived and started beating cops. If they were black they would have 2,000 black folks killed. All y'all get this picture in your mind. Picture the Capitol building and there are 2,000 violent negroes trying to enter the Capitol building AND beating the hell out of the cops. Black people pepper spraying cops. Black people beating cops with flag poles. Black people beating cops with barriers. Black people beating cops with their own weapons. Black people tasing cops. Picture all that and tell them that they would not have been shot and killed.

When you had 100s of Capitol police injured. A crazy MAGA chick was killed by police for disobeying direct police orders. Being called tourists is the one most egregious lie any so-called news host and news agency has ever put out on the airways with a straight face. You can argue and deflect to the other agencies if you want to. But calling these deplorables "tourists" is a stretch.
 
"Tourists", as Tucker calls them is the gist of my thread. NONE of the deplorables were tourists. Absolutely none. Nobody is hiding any of that footage of them walking around the Capitol. I saw some of that footage on the news stations right after JAN 6 happened. Again, that footage of them walking around was of the first idiots to arrive from the earlier rally. That is obvious as no Capitol police were showing the deplorables around later when the rest of them arrived and started beating cops. If they were black they would have 2,000 black folks killed. All y'all get this picture in your mind. Picture the Capitol building and there are 2,000 violent negroes trying to enter the Capitol building AND beating the hell out of the cops. Black people pepper spraying cops. Black people beating cops with flag poles. Black people beating cops with barriers. Black people beating cops with their own weapons. Black people tasing cops. Picture all that and tell them that they would not have been shot and killed.

When you had 100s of Capitol police injured. A crazy MAGA chick was killed by police for disobeying direct police orders. Being called tourists is the one most egregious lie any so-called news host and news agency has ever put out on the airways with a straight face. You can argue and deflect to the other agencies if you want to. But calling these deplorables "tourists" is a stretch.
Ok, fine. But you are still hiding from backing up this particular idiot statement you made by countering the three major regime media propaganda efforts that I listed:

"Dude, it’s no question Faux News. CNN, ABC, MSNBC never spread horrible propaganda like Faux News does."

You are ducking because you cannot counter any of the three and you once more don't want to admit you didn't know what you were talking about when you made that idiot statement. Right?
 
"Tourists", as Tucker calls them is the gist of my thread. NONE of the deplorables were tourists. Absolutely none. Nobody is hiding any of that footage of them walking around the Capitol. I saw some of that footage on the news stations right after JAN 6 happened. Again, that footage of them walking around was of the first idiots to arrive from the earlier rally. That is obvious as no Capitol police were showing the deplorables around later when the rest of them arrived and started beating cops. If they were black they would have 2,000 black folks killed. All y'all get this picture in your mind. Picture the Capitol building and there are 2,000 violent negroes trying to enter the Capitol building AND beating the hell out of the cops. Black people pepper spraying cops. Black people beating cops with flag poles. Black people beating cops with barriers. Black people beating cops with their own weapons. Black people tasing cops. Picture all that and tell them that they would not have been shot and killed.

When you had 100s of Capitol police injured. A crazy MAGA chick was killed by police for disobeying direct police orders. Being called tourists is the one most egregious lie any so-called news host and news agency has ever put out on the airways with a straight face. You can argue and deflect to the other agencies if you want to. But calling these deplorables "tourists" is a stretch.
I don’t see how you come to the conclusion if 2000 people were black breaking into the capital they would have been killed. We see daily on the Chicago news many black people breaking into stores and stealing merchandise and cars and they are not being killed.
 
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I don’t see how you come to the conclusion if 2000 people were black breaking into the capital they would have been killed. We see daily on the Chicago news many black people breaking into stores and stealing merchandise and cars and they are not being killed.
First of all, the folks breaking into the stores and stealing merchandise are in and out within minutes. The ones that have been caught are arrested without incident. We've seen time after time, blacks that who have resisted arrest have been killed. Secondly, the stores in Chicago ain't the US Capitol where both houses of the US government were in session to certify the 2020 election. The US Vice President was in attendance to do so while hundreds of folks at the Capitol threatened his life and the others in Congress. The Capitol was on Jan 6 and is obviously a high security building. Believe me, those lives of the folks beating cops and threatening US government officials mattered to the Capitol and Metro police. You guys tell me over and over on this board that when you are beating the cops or resisting arrest you deserve to be shot. Isn't that how it works?

As I asked in the other post. Picture in your mind, I mean really picture 2,000 negroes beating the crap out of the cops, trying to enter the Capitol during a current session of Congress. Tell me how they are not going to be shot and killed.
 
Ok, fine. But you are still hiding from backing up this particular idiot statement you made by countering the three major regime media propaganda efforts that I listed:

"Dude, it’s no question Faux News. CNN, ABC, MSNBC never spread horrible propaganda like Faux News does."

You are ducking because you cannot counter any of the three and you once more don't want to admit you didn't know what you were talking about when you made that idiot statement. Right?
Dude, I counter with 2 words. Faux News.
 
First of all, the folks breaking into the stores and stealing merchandise are in and out within minutes. The ones that have been caught are arrested without incident. We've seen time after time, blacks that who have resisted arrest have been killed. Secondly, the stores in Chicago ain't the US Capitol where both houses of the US government were in session to certify the 2020 election. The US Vice President was in attendance to do so while hundreds of folks at the Capitol threatened his life and the others in Congress. The Capitol was on Jan 6 and is obviously a high security building. Believe me, those lives of the folks beating cops and threatening US government officials mattered to the Capitol and Metro police. You guys tell me over and over on this board that when you are beating the cops or resisting arrest you deserve to be shot. Isn't that how it works?

As I asked in the other post. Picture in your mind, I mean really picture 2,000 negroes beating the crap out of the cops, trying to enter the Capitol during a current session of Congress. Tell me how they are not going to be shot and killed.
The rioting in DC when Trump was in office didn’t end with killing of black people. Or was it the white people doing all the damage and burning of the property and the black people just watched?

 
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