If the Cubs can do it...
- Thread starter Beeazlebub
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Sure it can. But I will watch one game at a time till the end of the season to learn the outcome.
As a season ticket holder, I'll not only do the same, I'll enjoy it all the way.
That said... Don't kill my buzz!!
I feel like in order for that to actually happen (assuming you mean Final Four or better), Painter would have to loosen the reigns on his point guards (particularly the frosh Carsen Edwards), go with a different offensive scheme (more of a spread/pro style offense) most of the time instead of motion, and let CE run the show (trial and error, learn as he goes with major PT at the 1) and be a scoring PG that can play the 2 as well.
For your sake I hope Painter doesn't win a national championship. You'd have nothing to post about.
I don't believe you should put a new player in a position, ie leadership and position, without experience. In your scenario, our new prodigy is to take over the team and run some offense that is not the way Purdue plays. This is where you have to yield to the people that know much more about it and that is the coaches. And you will have to be happy with that or take other action, ie root for a different team. Your idea is a great way for the chemistry of this team to be inrevoably damaged. Remember Ronnie Johnson.
I've got a buddy heading to Vegas this week. I gave him $20 and told him to put it on Purdue to win it all!! Boîler Up!
I will be ecstatic if Purdue wins a national championship with Painter. That means he will have better adjusted to his teams' personnel and incorporated various styles of play instead of trying to "put square pegs intp round holes" in many instances (i.e. players) and in many ways (i.e. offensive and defensive schemes).
Just because you don't like some of mine and others' opinions and stances on things that are program-related doesn't mean they are untrue. Most people don't like to "upset the applecart" because that stirs things up, but this is a message board where we're free to share such opinions. Also, Painter is going into his 12TH SEASON as head coach (13th if you count Keady's final season where CMP was coach-in-waiting). It's not like it's his 3rd or 4th season, it's his 12TH SEASON.
It's time for better results, especially in the postseason. The program has the ability and resources to get better results (i.e. an Elite Eight or a Final Four appearance would be gratifying, for starters) and I don't believe it's far-fetched to expect better results than we've seen during Painter's tenure.
Boiler Up
Painter has made it into the NCAAT Second Round in 50% of his seasons. Percentages adjusted for the skill of this squad (4th best of 12 Painter-led teams), I would assign a 66.7% probability of making the Second Round of the tournament.
So we can tank for several years and get several number 1 picks to allow us to be so good? And have the national following and resources as the Cubs?
Last year we went from top 25 to top 10.
Now we start top 15.... if we have an improved team like many think, we will make some noise
Now we start top 15.... if we have an improved team like many think, we will make some noise
Painter did exactly what you wish with Ronnie Johnson. Disaster, disaster, disaster, ... If CE is the type of player who can do it, great. But by all reports, PG is not his natural position. He has to learn the position before he can take over the role. I don't know of any coach in the country who is going to put a freshman shooting guard into the point guard role and let him run the show. It wouldn't be fair to CE or the rest of the team.
Ronnie Johnson isn't Carsen Edwards (thank goodness), so that is not an apples-to-apples comparison. From my viewpoint, the original question posed hinted at postseason success and my opinion is that the most likely way to reach that summit (i.e. Final Four) THIS SEASON would be to spread out the offense and let CE (and Spike) bring the ball up most of the time and make plays and move around opposing defenses. I think that would be more productive long-term than strictly staying in the motion offense with P.J. (and Spike) manning the majority of the minutes at the 1.
We don't truthfully know that RJ is not CE or visa versa. We only hope that at this point. Please remember that RJ was very highly ranked when we signed him. There is a difference here where it appears that CE is a much better shooter. That is good for this team But we shall see how it turns out when good teams trap CE. He isn't much bigger than RJ so he will have to show skill in making the good pass at the right time when trapped.
I saw a fair amount of both players in high school. There are tangible differences. Edwards has a more consistent outside shot and most importantly his shooting mechanics will allow him to get his shot off while defended (RJ could not). Additionally, while Edwards does have some of the same tendencies to hunt shots, he has his head up when penetrating and looks for teammates. RJ committed before the drive what he was going to do.
All that said, I think people forget just how good Ronnie Johnson was as a freshman (while his father was still in prison). He averaged 10 points and 4 assists and 3 rebounds and had an ATO of 1.5 to 1. He struggled shooting the ball but that was due in large part to Purdue needing him to do more than he was capable due to the roster being so depleted.
Purdue can do what the Cubs did? So we can be like the Cub GM and pay out the big bucks and just sign all the best and most expensive players available for a couple years,
Then we would be like Kentucky!!!!!!!
Then we would be like Kentucky!!!!!!!
I do think that Purdue will spread the court more, especially when either Haas or Biggie is on the bench, and I do think that you'll see more ball screens with Carsen and Spike in the rotation. When Biggie is at the 5, in particular, I expect Painter to give Biggie and Carsen the freedom to play a lot of 2 man isolation game with Biggie setting ball screens for Carsen within the motion offense. I like this more than having Carsen initiate the play by bringing the ball down the court because Carsen is more likely to start with an advantage and it allows Carsen to leverage that catch and shoot threat, which I think is his greatest strength.
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