It’s the irrefutable source material. Some haven’t taken the time and I sincerely hope that they do so.These ne’er do wells on this forum ain’t going watch this video.
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It’s the irrefutable source material. Some haven’t taken the time and I sincerely hope that they do so.These ne’er do wells on this forum ain’t going watch this video.
I read what he said shortly after Jan 6 and I did not see a specific incitement to violence in it. I also read the excerpt you posted above, also with no specific incitement evident - but with an appearance of "selectivity" on your part which I hope and trust was not intentional.At
You don’t ‘post to respond instead of understand’ with any particular response. It’s pretty much always. When you ask a question it’s largely to elicit a response so that you can respond, not understand.
It’s too bad because you’re a good, personable writer.
Anyway, I recommend that all of you watch Trump’s Jan 6th speech instead of asking other posters about particular lines from it.
For me it makes the hairs on the back of American democracy’s neck stand up in alarm.
Here’s a link:
I just posted some select quotes , but again, you either post to respond and not understand, or you ask a question to elicit a response and not an understanding.I read what he said shortly after Jan 6 and I did not see a specific incitement to violence in it. I also read the excerpt you posted above, also with no specific incitement evident - but with an appearance of "selectivity" on your part which I hope and trust was not intentional.
All I am asking you, or anybody else (Bob, Fauxgrad, etc) is to post the wording that constituted a specific incitement to violence.
By failing to do so, are you conceding there was no specific incitement to violence - evening though it was so chilling to you and so forth?
Not sure if you have been following Bone man’s thread on Maxine Waters allegedly inciting violence. Do you apply the same assessment you have on alleged Chump incited violence to Maxine Waters? Did Waters specifically incite violence?I read what he said shortly after Jan 6 and I did not see a specific incitement to violence in it. I also read the excerpt you posted above, also with no specific incitement evident - but with an appearance of "selectivity" on your part which I hope and trust was not intentional.
All I am asking you, or anybody else (Bob, Fauxgrad, etc) is to post the wording that constituted a specific incitement to violence.
By failing to do so, are you conceding there was no specific incitement to violence - evening though it was so chilling to you and so forth?
I think you mean "incited" violence.Not sure if you have been following Bone man’s thread on Maxine Waters allegedly exciting violence. Do you apply the same assessment you have on alleged Chump excited violence to Maxine Waters? Did Waters specifically excite violence?
Bullseye.I feel like you are far more concerned with “responding” than understanding.
Yes, select quotes, meaning you deliberately left out the one about protesting peacefully since you did the selecting.I just posted some select quotes , but again, you either post to respond and not understand, or you ask a question to elicit a response and not an understanding.
It sounds like she incited harassment of public officials for their views, right?Not sure if you have been following Bone man’s thread on Maxine Waters allegedly inciting violence. Do you apply the same assessment you have on alleged Chump incited violence to Maxine Waters? Did Waters specifically incite violence?
For the love of God man, I specifically told you the best way to understand it is to listen to and watch the whole thing. The whole crazy, repeating conspiracy theories, anti-democracy, lies thing.Ok, select quotes, meaning you deliberately left out the one about protesting peacefully since you did the selecting.
You are ducking my question because Trump made no specific incitements to violence, and you don't want to admit it.
For the love of truth and justice, will you concede that Trump did not specifically incite violence on Jan 6?For the love of God man, I specifically told you the best way to understand it is to listen to the whole thing.
I will readily admit that he did not use the words “I hearby command you to commit violence.“For the love of truth and justice, will you concede that Trump did not specifically incite violence on Jan 6?
You admitted you selectively left out his words about protesting peacefully, and it is those words that prove he did not "completely" encourage, intimate, and inspire violence during that entire speech. Why are you now contradicting yourself?I will readily admit that he did not use the words “I hear by command you to commit violence.“
But without question he entirely and completely encouraged, intimated, and inspired violence during that entire speech. and it was so very, very deliberate.
There you go. Yes I would say encouraged harassment at best. Not violence.It sounds like she incited harassment of public officials for their views, right?
Is that proper behavior for a member of congress, in your view, or will you admit it is shameful and disgusting?
This is his game man. He will keep going back to the same thing from a slightly different direction with some personal slights thrown in for good measure. This is entertainment for him. It’s a waste of time for you.And to your point, Trump’s words ”This is the most corrupt election in the history, maybe of the world.” Followed very shortly thereafter by ”And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.” Is some pretty literal language.
So now you have a choice of easy to get inferences without specific language, and specific language calling for action that you will try to draw different ridiculous inferences from.
I did not “selectively” leave a “marching peacefully” throwaway line, or anything else out. He said “I love” and “thank you” at some point in his screed too. So friggin what, that has nothing to do with any of the calls to action and disgusting anti-democracy crap he spewed for 70 straight minutes. And you know it.
Because of course, you understand all of this but for some reason won’t admit the obvious. You will respond only for the sake of responding. You seem to want more to get someone to admit that something that is said in their message board post is somehow inaccurate, instead of admitting the clear meaning of the evidence straight from the mouth of Trump.
Listen to all 70 minutes of Donald Trump on Jan 6th. If it doesn’t make you sick to your stomach I don’t know what to say.
Or read Donald Trump‘s social media posts lately—he’s gone pure QAnon.
@BuilderBob6 , The most inane poster with a total lack of self awareness rears his head again.This is his game man. He will keep going back to the same thing from a slightly different direction with some personal slights thrown in for good measure. This is entertainment for him. It’s a waste of time for you.
I don't know the full context of #2, but it is obvious that it has nothing to do with "Muslims" since nothing happened in the states legally towards Muslims. This like so many is another media misdirection.
- When I cited Mother Teresa etc I was preemptively trying to prevent “whattaboutism.” Lots of bad actors in the world; I am talking about the former President-the ultimate position of power and protector of democracy.
- The unaltered quote from Trump? “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.” Then he became President and the courts shut down that crap.
- The Muslim ban is down the list, which is an interesting thing to note!
- I fully expect there will be radical groups from either end of the spectrum like Antifa and the Proud Boys to attempt to harm our democracy. I don’t tolerate the President of the United States inspiring, motivating, and providing cover for any of them.
interesting...not being on here much I missed it even if my recent post stated pretty much the same thing by witnessing the actual results legally on Muslims in teh USAdo the bump, @HoosierfanJM and @tjreese
If you aren't aware of the Proud Boys contributing mightily to the destruction of taxpayer property, let me assist in providing information. The US Capitol was overrun, the hallways were severely damaged, the people inside defecated in the halls and threatened to hang and searched for the Vice President and Speaker of the House, and approximately 114 police officers were injured trying to defend the US Capitol:I'm also unaware of the Proud Boys destroying taxpayer property, looting, burning and terrorizing members of society in their homes in a similar fashion as the Summer of Love that we witnessed for months and the support for that destruction by MANY democrats. That is to say a comparison of them to Antifa and what we witnessed over several months doesn't seem to be a good comparison.
Why do you think the feds are not releasing the 14,000 hours of video pertaining to Jan. 6?An indictment is merely an allegation, and all defendants are presumed innoc
The five or six names listed in teh indicted should bear the burden of a typical offender of the law for the charges found guilty. I think that has been the standard verbiage by the pubs. Perhaps they looted and burned citizens property as well...I don't know, but can't remember such.If you aren't aware of the Proud Boys contributing mightily to the destruction of taxpayer property, let me assist in providing information. The US Capitol was overrun, the hallways were severely damaged, the people inside defecated in the halls and threatened to hang and searched for the Vice President and Speaker of the House, and approximately 114 police officers were injured trying to defend the US Capitol:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, June 6, 2022
Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
New Charges in Superseding Indictment
A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned a superseding indictment today charging five members of the Proud Boys, including the group’s former national chairman, with seditious conspiracy and other charges for their actions before and during the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Their actions disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress convened to ascertain and count the electoral votes related to the presidential election.
The defendants include Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York. All previously were indicted and remain detained. They pleaded not guilty to charges contained in earlier indictments.
The superseding indictment adds two charges to the earlier indictment: one count of seditious conspiracy and one count of conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging any duties. All defendants now face a total of nine charges and Pezzola faces an additional robbery charge. The defendants are scheduled to appear for a hearing on June 9, 2022, in the District of Columbia
According to court documents, the Proud Boys describe themselves as members of a “pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world, aka Western Chauvinists.” Through at least Jan. 6, 2021, Tarrio was the national chairman of the organization. In mid-December of 2020, Tarrio created a special chapter of the Proud Boys known as the “Ministry of Self Defense.” As alleged in the indictment, from in or around December 2020, Tarrio and his co-defendants, all of whom were leaders or members of the Ministry of Self Defense, conspired to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the Electoral College vote, and to oppose by force the authority of the government of the United States. On Jan. 6, 2021, the defendants directed, mobilized and led members of the crowd onto the Capitol grounds and into the Capitol, leading to dismantling of metal barricades, destruction of property, breaching of the Capitol building, and assaults on law enforcement. During and after the attack, Tarrio and his co-defendants claimed credit for what had happened on social media and in an encrypted chat room.
A sixth defendant, who was earlier charged with the group, pleaded guilty on April 8, 2022. Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, North Carolina, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers.
This case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, the Department of Justice National Security Division’s Counterterrorism Section and the Department of Justice Criminal Division’s Organized Crime and Gang Section.
The case is being investigated by the FBI’s Washington Field Office. The charges in the investigation are the result of significant cooperation between agents and staff across numerous FBI Field Offices and law enforcement agencies.
In the 17 months since Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 individuals have been arrested in nearly all 50 states for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol, including over 250 individuals charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement. The investigation remains ongoing. Anyone with tips can call 1-800-CALL-FBI (800-225-5324) or visit tips.fbi.gov.
An indictment is merely an allegation, and all defendants are presumed innoc
It used to be who is John Gault. Today it is who is Ray EppsWhy do you think the feds are not releasing the 14,000 hours of video pertaining to Jan. 6?
You keep bringing the 14,000 hours of video. What are you expecting to see? There is already plenty of footage of deplorables, since y'all don't want to call them insurrectionists, beating cops, destroying property, and threatening the lives of senators, congressmen, and the VP. Plus one, getting themselves killed.Why do you think the feds are not releasing the 14,000 hours of video pertaining to Jan. 6?
Can you pull the specific quote that the Jan 6th people can point to from Trump and said "See, that right there is when Trump told them to attack the capitol"People actually making the argument that Maxine Waters has the same amount of influence as trump…….I guess.
You're reaching.I strongly encourage each of you to watch the entirety of Trump’s January 6th speech with the context of hindsight. Quotes are bad, but the full video is much more.
It is some crazy and extraordinarily chilling stuff.
So, what you're saying is that what Trump implied and what the Jan 6th people inferred were 2 different things?No they won’t.
He said peacefully once. All that matters.
He said fight 20 times. Irrelevant.
Trump has to actually tell them to go to the Capitol, bear police officers, and break in…….or it doesn’t count.
Like a president would actually instruct citizens to commit violence.
Keep in mind, that these are the same democrat voting, Biden loving minions who when Biden threatened to withhold $1B from Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor investigating the Ukrainian gas company where Hunter was getting $80K/month in 'consulting' fees, will say "He didn't say that!".I read what he said shortly after Jan 6 and I did not see a specific incitement to violence in it. I also read the excerpt you posted above, also with no specific incitement evident - but with an appearance of "selectivity" on your part which I hope and trust was not intentional.
All I am asking you, or anybody else (Bob, Fauxgrad, etc) is to post the wording that constituted a specific incitement to violence.
By failing to do so, are you conceding there was no specific incitement to violence - evening though it was so chilling to you and so forth?
Not sure if you have been following Bone man’s thread on Maxine Waters allegedly inciting violence. Do you apply the same assessment you have on alleged Chump incited violence to Maxine Waters? Did Waters specifically incite violence?
Based on past and current corrupt behavior of DOJ, and on hot mic comments by a senior NYT reporter, I expect to see many people who are working as fed agents and/or informants engaged in trying to provoke a riot.You keep bringing the 14,000 hours of video. What are you expecting to see? There is already plenty of footage of deplorables, since y'all don't want to call them insurrectionists, beating cops, destroying property, and threatening the lives of senators, congressmen, and the VP. Plus one, getting themselves killed.
If you aren't aware of the Proud Boys contributing mightily to the destruction of taxpayer property, let me assist in providing information. The US Capitol was overrun, the hallways were severely damaged, the people inside defecated in the halls and threatened to hang and searched for the Vice President and Speaker of the House, and approximately 114 police officers were injured trying to defend the US Capitol:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, June 6, 2022
Leader of Proud Boys and Four Other Members Indicted in Federal Court For Seditious Conspiracy and Other Offenses Related to U.S. Capitol Breach
New Charges in Superseding Indictment
A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned a superseding indictment today charging five members of the Proud Boys, including the group’s former national chairman, with seditious conspiracy and other charges for their actions before and during the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Their actions disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress convened to ascertain and count the electoral votes related to the presidential election.
The defendants include Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York. All previously were indicted and remain detained. They pleaded not guilty to charges contained in earlier indictments.
The superseding indictment adds two charges to the earlier indictment: one count of seditious conspiracy and one count of conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging any duties. All defendants now face a total of nine charges and Pezzola faces an additional robbery charge. The defendants are scheduled to appear for a hearing on June 9, 2022, in the District of Columbia
According to court documents, the Proud Boys describe themselves as members of a “pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world, aka Western Chauvinists.” Through at least Jan. 6, 2021, Tarrio was the national chairman of the organization. In mid-December of 2020, Tarrio created a special chapter of the Proud Boys known as the “Ministry of Self Defense.” As alleged in the indictment, from in or around December 2020, Tarrio and his co-defendants, all of whom were leaders or members of the Ministry of Self Defense, conspired to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the Electoral College vote, and to oppose by force the authority of the government of the United States. On Jan. 6, 2021, the defendants directed, mobilized and led members of the crowd onto the Capitol grounds and into the Capitol, leading to dismantling of metal barricades, destruction of property, breaching of the Capitol building, and assaults on law enforcement. During and after the attack, Tarrio and his co-defendants claimed credit for what had happened on social media and in an encrypted chat room.
A sixth defendant, who was earlier charged with the group, pleaded guilty on April 8, 2022. Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, North Carolina, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers.
This case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, the Department of Justice National Security Division’s Counterterrorism Section and the Department of Justice Criminal Division’s Organized Crime and Gang Section.
The case is being investigated by the FBI’s Washington Field Office. The charges in the investigation are the result of significant cooperation between agents and staff across numerous FBI Field Offices and law enforcement agencies.
In the 17 months since Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 individuals have been arrested in nearly all 50 states for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol, including over 250 individuals charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement. The investigation remains ongoing. Anyone with tips can call 1-800-CALL-FBI (800-225-5324) or visit tips.fbi.gov.
An indictment is merely an allegation, and all defendants are presumed innoc
You inadvertently suggest, and rightfully so, that emotion plays a huge part of the dems support for various things. It is at the heart of Intersectionality or Identity Politics and essentially any other stance the dems have.Let's play a game: Who said this: Trump or Waters?
“Well, we gotta stay on the street,” Waters said. “And we’ve got to get more active. We’ve got to get more confrontational. We’ve got to make sure that they know that we mean business.”
“If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gas station, you get out and create a crowd,” she urged. “And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore.”
Are you really judging the severity or seriousness of the two occurrences on the length of time they took? Cause that’s what it sounds like. One lasted a month, not an entire summer btw, and one lasted a few hours.The five or six names listed in teh indicted should bear the burden of a typical offender of the law for the charges found guilty. I think that has been the standard verbiage by the pubs. Perhaps they looted and burned citizens property as well...I don't know, but can't remember such.
Point is, there is no reason to be concerned if the law is followed and equitable in the sentencing for each respective violation each is found guilty Are you suggesting that the population of the Proud Boys is equal to Antifa...or that the Summer of Love compares to the couple of hours in the Capital? Or does the situational attack on royalty seem much worse than on the citizens? If you accept that both are equally bad, then we should see equally condemnation as well as sentencing. We know that is not the case...that much is obvious.
Therefore, it is only reasonable to assume that you consider the couple of hours in D.C. worse than the months of the Summer of Love...even with the condemnation by a particular party and the support and promotion of the Summer of Love by the other party. How you can hold the view you do of the two situations considering the parties’ affiliation is again baffling...but that is for you to reconcile.
No, because even trump is not stupid enough to be that obvious.Can you pull the specific quote that the Jan 6th people can point to from Trump and said "See, that right there is when Trump told them to attack the capitol"
No. Not saying that at all.So, what you're saying is that what Trump implied and what the Jan 6th people inferred were 2 different things?
That's like saying that in the Purdue fight song, when we say "Hail Purdue", we're really making some sort of reference to supporting Hitler.
Exactly. Where did she say beat the crap out of them? She said get in their face and confront them. Plus, nobody reacted to what she said. Nobody beat the crap out of repub law makers as a result of her comments.Let's play a game: Who said this: Trump or Waters?
“Well, we gotta stay on the street,” Waters said. “And we’ve got to get more active. We’ve got to get more confrontational. We’ve got to make sure that they know that we mean business.”
“If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gas station, you get out and create a crowd,” she urged. “And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore.”
Oh, now it’s 12 MONTHS? Are you freakin serious?Do you give BLM a pass for causing 12 months of riots, burning, looting, murder and mayhem in major( and minor) US cities? How many people died during BLM protests? How many cops were hurt? What's the bill on the property damage?